On May 15 2015 01:16 helpman173 wrote: Though I'm in good shape, I'm a sugar addict. And believe me, sugar is the worst addiction ever. I was a heavy smoker for about 5 years and I could quit from one day to the other, no big deal.
But sugar, this is some fucked up shit! It's everywhere and it is socially accepted! The food industry uses sugar in small amounts to get people addicted to their products. This makes it ridiculously hard to stay away from it.
Small amounts of sugar every day would be perfectly fine. But it is just not feasible to keep that up due to OVERABUNDANCE.
I get pretty much all my sugar from bread. I can stay away from it the rest of the time but don't like the breads that are sugar free. The places I normally eat at has a demand on them to make nutritious food (they rent space from my employer). So I don't really find it a problem, never drink anything but water, don't take cakes when offered.
Go low carb and drink all the coffee you want. In fact, you need it. Get that caffeine buzz going to give you the energy.
Sugarless bread? Link please? Got to get my hands onto that stuff. I tried gluten free bread, but it is stiff full of carbs. it is absolutely disgusting but if it were free of carbs and thus actually healthy, I'd eat it all day.
On May 15 2015 03:23 Alcathous wrote: Go low carb and drink all the coffee you want. In fact, you need it. Get that caffeine buzz going to give you the energy.
Sugarless bread? Link please? Got to get my hands onto that stuff. I tried gluten free bread, but it is stiff full of carbs. it is absolutely disgusting but if it were free of carbs and thus actually healthy, I'd eat it all day.
sugarless bread is an oxymoron since carbs are sugar. If you want to avoid sugars/carbs completely, just do paleo or keto
On May 15 2015 03:23 Alcathous wrote: Go low carb and drink all the coffee you want. In fact, you need it. Get that caffeine buzz going to give you the energy.
Sugarless bread? Link please? Got to get my hands onto that stuff. I tried gluten free bread, but it is stiff full of carbs. it is absolutely disgusting but if it were free of carbs and thus actually healthy, I'd eat it all day.
sugarless bread is an oxymoron since carbs are sugar. If you want to avoid sugars/carbs completely, just do paleo or keto
Starch in bread is broken down into maltose already in the mouth to some degree. However, maltose is only one third as sweet as sucrose. Maltose is a disaccharide and is only broken down into glucose in the intestines.
That means when you eat sweets, the pleasure center is directly activated by the taste receptors in the mouth, something that doesn't happen when you eat bread. With bread you also get the rise in blood sugar, but the rise is a lot less steep compared to pure sugar because it has to be slowly broken down first.
On May 15 2015 03:23 Alcathous wrote: Go low carb and drink all the coffee you want. In fact, you need it. Get that caffeine buzz going to give you the energy.
Sugarless bread? Link please? Got to get my hands onto that stuff. I tried gluten free bread, but it is stiff full of carbs. it is absolutely disgusting but if it were free of carbs and thus actually healthy, I'd eat it all day.
sugarless bread is an oxymoron since carbs are sugar. If you want to avoid sugars/carbs completely, just do paleo or keto
It being besides the point that you don't know what 'oxymoron' means, surely one can create break without sugars. There are many low-carb breads out there and no reason why there can't be a zero carb bread.
Just an issue of how much you can stomach to stay keto.
That stuff isn't that tasty, so if someone has a better zero sugar bread, keep me informed. Gonna try a marathon next year and I need to have some tasty low carb bread for that as I can't eat pasta.
helpman173 is exactly right. I have a MSc in biochem and I know that sugars are already hydrolized in the mouth by amylase. In fact, you do get nasty glucose right away, not just maltose. If it were only maltose, then it would have been ok. Beer has maltose.
Glucose can get in your blood even before you even swallow the bread, unless it is low carb.
On May 14 2015 21:02 Thalandros wrote: Being fat or thin is just a calculation, really.
Don't get me wrong I completely agree with you. I eat mostly-well and exercise, both cardio and weights, play sports, etc. But being an endomorph is actually a thing (read Schwarzenegger's encyclopedia) and there's nothing I can do about it. I'll be pudgy forever. That's just my body's static-resting point for my given lean diet and regular exercise.
ANYWAYS... I agree with you, but I think some of the reason people are fat is psychological. In the sense that their perception of self is different, or they're addicted to certain tastes, whether it be a sweet/salty tooth, beer, or whatever.
I think most people get that eating less (+exercise) = weighing less, it's just they can't **psychologically** do it. They HAVE to give into their addiction of eating salt/sugar. So even though they get the basic point of eating less, they can't mentally do it.
Its like me in school trying to start an assignment the day I get it. Earlier assignment start probably equals better learning, but I can't man, gotta doto.
I agree, but I'm just saying that using the different bodytypes isn't a way to argue against basic maths and the law of thermodynamics. I'd consider myself an endomorph (Always find it hard to say, but I've got wide hips, wide shoulders, always been heavier, although again, that was just my lifestyle). Physically everyone can get into shape, look good naked or at the very least be at a very healthy bodyweight. I weighed in at 97KG 1.5 year ago - Right now I'm down to 76.5KG (17 y/o now) and it's true that some people's metabolism is better than others naturally, but everyone can boost their metabolism by working out, staying active, sleeping enough etcetera. Supplements and excuses are not needed! I lost 15+kg in half a year without REALLY noticing it just because I realised my diet was just ''eat everytihng I feel like''. Once I got realised that it was very easy to just jump to smoothies instead of chocolate and steak/chicken instead of pizza.
It's all in the mind. And this world fuck's the human mind up so much through commercials etc. My dad was VERY overweight for most of his life until last year. He was/is legit food addicted. He still needs to control himself every minute of his life. Bad food just grows on you and you need to catch it and get the discipline to ''return to normal' which is often not normal in our western society.
On May 15 2015 03:23 Alcathous wrote: Go low carb and drink all the coffee you want. In fact, you need it. Get that caffeine buzz going to give you the energy.
Sugarless bread? Link please? Got to get my hands onto that stuff. I tried gluten free bread, but it is stiff full of carbs. it is absolutely disgusting but if it were free of carbs and thus actually healthy, I'd eat it all day.
sugarless bread is an oxymoron since carbs are sugar. If you want to avoid sugars/carbs completely, just do paleo or keto
It being besides the point that you don't know what 'oxymoron' means, surely one can create break without sugars. There are many low-carb breads out there and no reason why there can't be a zero carb bread.
Just an issue of how much you can stomach to stay keto. https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=81&v=IdDfF4hXfj4 That stuff isn't that tasty, so if someone has a better zero sugar bread, keep me informed. Gonna try a marathon next year and I need to have some tasty low carb bread for that as I can't eat pasta.
helpman173 is exactly right. I have a MSc in biochem and I know that sugars are already hydrolized in the mouth by amylase. In fact, you do get nasty glucose right away, not just maltose. If it were only maltose, then it would have been ok. Beer has maltose.
Glucose can get in your blood even before you even swallow the bread, unless it is low carb.
Isn't ezekiel bread what you're looking for? High protein, low-carb.
On May 15 2015 03:23 Alcathous wrote: Go low carb and drink all the coffee you want. In fact, you need it. Get that caffeine buzz going to give you the energy.
Sugarless bread? Link please? Got to get my hands onto that stuff. I tried gluten free bread, but it is stiff full of carbs. it is absolutely disgusting but if it were free of carbs and thus actually healthy, I'd eat it all day.
sugarless bread is an oxymoron since carbs are sugar. If you want to avoid sugars/carbs completely, just do paleo or keto
It being besides the point that you don't know what 'oxymoron' means, surely one can create break without sugars. There are many low-carb breads out there and no reason why there can't be a zero carb bread.
Just an issue of how much you can stomach to stay keto. https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=81&v=IdDfF4hXfj4 That stuff isn't that tasty, so if someone has a better zero sugar bread, keep me informed. Gonna try a marathon next year and I need to have some tasty low carb bread for that as I can't eat pasta.
helpman173 is exactly right. I have a MSc in biochem and I know that sugars are already hydrolized in the mouth by amylase. In fact, you do get nasty glucose right away, not just maltose. If it were only maltose, then it would have been ok. Beer has maltose.
Glucose can get in your blood even before you even swallow the bread, unless it is low carb.
I would love to see you run a marathon on a low carb diet.
On May 15 2015 03:23 Alcathous wrote: Go low carb and drink all the coffee you want. In fact, you need it. Get that caffeine buzz going to give you the energy.
Sugarless bread? Link please? Got to get my hands onto that stuff. I tried gluten free bread, but it is stiff full of carbs. it is absolutely disgusting but if it were free of carbs and thus actually healthy, I'd eat it all day.
sugarless bread is an oxymoron since carbs are sugar. If you want to avoid sugars/carbs completely, just do paleo or keto
It being besides the point that you don't know what 'oxymoron' means, surely one can create break without sugars. There are many low-carb breads out there and no reason why there can't be a zero carb bread.
Just an issue of how much you can stomach to stay keto. https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=81&v=IdDfF4hXfj4 That stuff isn't that tasty, so if someone has a better zero sugar bread, keep me informed. Gonna try a marathon next year and I need to have some tasty low carb bread for that as I can't eat pasta.
helpman173 is exactly right. I have a MSc in biochem and I know that sugars are already hydrolized in the mouth by amylase. In fact, you do get nasty glucose right away, not just maltose. If it were only maltose, then it would have been ok. Beer has maltose.
Glucose can get in your blood even before you even swallow the bread, unless it is low carb.
I would love to see you run a marathon on a low carb diet.
As a gym owner for a few years now, I'd like to see ANYONE running any decent-length marathons (spartan challenge anyone) right after doing a serious no-carb or cutting period. Whenever we're getting ready for fitness shows, the last 4 weeks are absolutely brutal when it comes time to cut all the water and fat to show what we've been working on!
On May 15 2015 06:39 Alcathous wrote: helpman173 is exactly right. I have a MSc in biochem and I know that sugars are already hydrolized in the mouth by amylase. In fact, you do get nasty glucose right away, not just maltose. If it were only maltose, then it would have been ok. Beer has maltose.
Glucose can get in your blood even before you even swallow the bread, unless it is low carb.
As far as I know, amylase only converts starch to maltose. This happens both in the saliva and in the pancreas. A different enzyme called maltase converts maltose to glucose. As far as I know, this happens only in the intestine. Do you have some evidence that maltase is also present in the saliva?
Aside from that, this is some valuable info from Wikipedia:
"The glycemic effect of foods depends on a number of factors, such as the type of starch (amylose versus amylopectin), physical entrapment of the starch molecules within the food, fat and protein content of the food and organic acids or their salts in the meal. The presence of fat or soluble dietary fiber can slow the gastric emptying rate, thus lowering the GI. In general, coarse, grainy breads with higher amounts of fiber have a lower GI value than white breads. However, most breads made with 100% whole wheat or wholemeal flour have a GI not very different from endosperm only (white) bread. Many brown breads are treated with enzymes to soften the crust, which makes the starch more accessible (high GI)."
On May 15 2015 03:23 Alcathous wrote: Go low carb and drink all the coffee you want. In fact, you need it. Get that caffeine buzz going to give you the energy.
Sugarless bread? Link please? Got to get my hands onto that stuff. I tried gluten free bread, but it is stiff full of carbs. it is absolutely disgusting but if it were free of carbs and thus actually healthy, I'd eat it all day.
sugarless bread is an oxymoron since carbs are sugar. If you want to avoid sugars/carbs completely, just do paleo or keto
It being besides the point that you don't know what 'oxymoron' means, surely one can create break without sugars. There are many low-carb breads out there and no reason why there can't be a zero carb bread.
Just an issue of how much you can stomach to stay keto. https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=81&v=IdDfF4hXfj4 That stuff isn't that tasty, so if someone has a better zero sugar bread, keep me informed. Gonna try a marathon next year and I need to have some tasty low carb bread for that as I can't eat pasta.
helpman173 is exactly right. I have a MSc in biochem and I know that sugars are already hydrolized in the mouth by amylase. In fact, you do get nasty glucose right away, not just maltose. If it were only maltose, then it would have been ok. Beer has maltose.
Glucose can get in your blood even before you even swallow the bread, unless it is low carb.
I would love to see you run a marathon on a low carb diet.
From someone who is studying in this field and getting certifications in sports dietetics let me shed some let on what a ketogenic/low carb diet is. It is where you body produces ketones to provide energy for the brain when glucose is in short supply. There are some athletes (I stress some and athletes in this) that find ketogenic diets actually assist with long distance running and cycling. There are several athletes who do run marathons on this quite easily. A lot of high intensity athletes (again athletes not weight lifters in the gym 4 times a week) tend to find that ketogenic diets are more harmful than helpful. Again this is mostly done on a per person basis as the results don't generally hold up well in an objective lab setting (placebo effect could be a big reason for it or just for different people different things work; remember some people have different ligaments, not everyone's body is the same. I actually hate this when it comes to dealing with athletes).
This is due to the pathway for how glycogen (stored glucose) is used during high intensity.
This lack of glycogen from a low carb/ketogenic is also what allows for rapid fat burn in dieters (why the ketogenic diet has taken off). This does have some risks. We can see people going through ketoacidosis (a process where the body builds up too many ketones and causes the pH balance of the blood to alter; lots of health risks with that) if they do not balance their carb intake.
We also see benefits in the mental health world, especially with individuals who have seizures, when they switch to a ketogenic diet. The reasoning for this is glucose increases electrical activity in the brain and ketones can have a mild sedative affect for anxiety.
There are also a few physical disorders (crohn's disease for one) where ketogenic is very beneficial as fiber can be extremely disruptive to their intestinal tract.
Source time:
These are going to be mostly text books so a library would be beneficial unless you want to pay a bit of money on amazon.
Krause's Food and Nutrition Care Process by L. Kathleen Mahan, Sylvia escott-Stump, Janice L. Raymond. Nutrient Timing for Peak Performance by Heidi Skolink and Andrea Chernus Nutrition Periodization for Athletes by Bob Seebohar
Lecture Material from Adam Sacks (Chef, RD, who also helped Olympic athletes and currently specializes in helping Endurance Athletes) Here is a current bio. http://www.enrgperformance.com/adam-sacks/
On May 15 2015 11:10 IgnE wrote: Thanks for the lecture bro, for all us nimwits out here.
So which source talks about running marathons on low-carb diets?
That would mostly be the lecture notes from the professor. I'll have access to the notes again in 3 months if you want me to send you a PM with them.
But like he says, it's pretty dependent on the athlete. The transition is pretty annoying to deal with as for the first couple weeks you tend to just feel weak all the time. You also have to stay in ketosis. You can't have cheat days.
I don't doubt that it's possible to run a marathon in ketosis and that a few people like doing it. I do doubt whether it's a sustainable thing for the majority of people. I think you are likely to end up overtrained, immune-compromised, endocrine-impaired, and all around less fit.
On May 15 2015 11:23 IgnE wrote: I don't doubt that it's possible to run a marathon in ketosis and that a few people like doing it. I do doubt whether it's a sustainable thing for the majority of people. I think you are likely to end up overtrained, immune-compromised, endocrine-impaired, and all around less fit.
Yea, this is the main issue with ketogenic diets and athletes. There are definitely outliers such as the "50 Marathons in 50 Days" ultramarathon runner who actually produces less lactic acid the longer her runs (as in her starts with more lactic acid at the beginning of a 30 mile run than when he ends). The average individual won't see massive improvements in long distance running when on a ketogenic diet.
Which is generally why ketogenic isn't recommended to athletes unless it is a special case. Why I stressed the words I stressed.
Dean Karnazes is the guy who makes everyone look like a wimp when it comes to long distance running.
As far as I know, amylase only converts starch to maltose. This happens both in the saliva and in the pancreas. A different enzyme called maltase converts maltose to glucose. As far as I know, this happens only in the intestine. Do you have some evidence that maltase is also present in the saliva?
The biggest problem is instead of doing something about it, people are just getting behind the fat acceptance movement. This is so dumb it's like you are signing your own death warrant.
On May 16 2015 07:00 G3CKO wrote: The biggest problem is instead of doing something about it, people are just getting behind the fat acceptance movement. This is so dumb it's like you are signing your own death warrant.
Fat acceptance is super important because there's so much fat shaming out there.
I'm not condoning a fat lifestyle, but I doubt making fun of chubsters and treating them like they are garbage does anything to help the issue. I don't know about more progressive countries, but in Germany there are TV shows dedicated to fat-shaming, which is absolutely disgusting, because it points to the fact that there's an audience for that.
I don't know, if we assume that fat people are a fa(c)t of life, I'd much rather have them be happy and retain some of their dignity rather than getting them more depressed by shaming them.
And it's certainly not the "biggest problem". Sedetary lifestyles are the biggest problem. American low quality food is the second biggest problem (and will be our second biggest problem as well, once TTIP is done and dusted).
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