EPTObesity now a global issue - Page 24
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aTnClouD
Italy2428 Posts
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farvacola
United States18832 Posts
On July 16 2014 01:24 TheTenthDoc wrote: Even if absolutely nothing was changing with respect to diet and exercise habits, rates of obesity would still be going up given that we're getting better and better at treating its sequelae (obesity, hypertension, MIs, strokes, CAD, PVD, diabetes, etc.). This is especially true on a global scale. I wish more research would take into account that we're getting better at preventing death from the complications of obesity. That'd have to take thought and make your study less exciting, though, so no wonder it doesn't get much airtime. The reason behind this apparent ignorance of palliative care has less to do with making studies exciting and more to do with what is considered a beneficial angle of study; our ability to allay symptoms can, in many cases, end up incentivizing an unhealthier community. Take the US for example; the nature of healthcare and insurance here in the United States has led to a society in which symptoms are treated above all else, and the obesity epidemic is a great example of how this can begin to spiral out of control. In much of Western Europe, healthcare is very rarely a widespread cause for concern, and the ease with which the average person can fund their medical needs ends up creating a society that prioritizes preventative care above palliative. When potential patients find little reason to stress over setting up a doctor's appointment or finding money for treatment, far more people end up diagnosed before things get too serious, leading to a reduction in costs (symptomatic or palliative treatments are almost always more expensive than their preventative counterparts) and a generally healthier society. I won't even get into the troubling loop that develops as a result of the insurance-provider obsession with palliative treatments that require lifetime renewals; guaranteed customers are nice for those who'd like to pretend that healthcare can be run like a business. It is with this in mind that I'd practically guarantee that "good" authors of "good" studies concerned with public health issues like obesity are well aware of what happens when lifespans extend alongside the presence of disease; they simply don't find such an angle relevant to their inquiry. | ||
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werynais
Germany1780 Posts
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Deleted User 26513
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1. Nothing heavy before 12 AM - a fruit or a fresh is OK. 2. Nothing after 8 PM. period. 3. Small meals in between. On top of that many people work at desk or are drivers, which means that they are not moving much... Aaand then come the bad cultural habits like eating extremely heavy at breakfast (fried bacon... ffs.), eating junk food, oversized soda etc. So yeah... The humanity is screwed. | ||
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radscorpion9
Canada2252 Posts
On July 16 2014 01:47 werynais wrote: IM FAT AND PROUD OF SLOWLY KILLING MYSELF FUCK YOU SOCIETY That level of pride is both refreshing and troubling  | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
[B]On July 16 2014 01:36 Socup wrote:[/B I call bullshit on that. Also, "fed images" go both ways. If we push hard to shame males for liking thin or petite women, for various reasons, then they'll "Chubby chase" to be socially accepted. What would you say if I said my ideal girl in only physical terms would be 5'2-5'5 with thin legs and a narrow gut area with some decent hips and thus is likely not to have large breasts? Im sure the things that people would say might scare a guy into picking a chubby. I've heard it and seen it all before. The interesting or funny thing is that researchers are attempting to show correlation to genetics and your choice of friends now. This would obviously extend further to S.O. relations as well, so as superficial as people appear for their choices, inevitably they'll choose the type of people that they find attractive regardless of any physical constraints. What exactly are you calling bullshit on? The bolded part bears no relation to the reply. And then you start to talk about something else about friends? | ||
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Socup
190 Posts
What do you think about that real beauty "campaign" by L'oreal, who happens to be owned by the same company that also owns axe body spray, which shows extremely attractive thin females in heat over some guy because he's wearing it? It's about marketing and getting sales. The reality is that most guys prefer the axe version of a girl. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Socup
190 Posts
On July 16 2014 03:30 Dangermousecatdog wrote: I don't think you read my post(s) properly. What does women being fed images in fashion magazines got to do with male preference? Furthermore you appear to be going of on a tangent. I literally have no idea what you are on about with this shaming of males. You seem to have a bee in your bonnet about it, but I really don't see how it relates to anything I have said. Haven't you considered that images in men or women's fashion magazines are ideal to live up to for attracting the opposite sex? Haven't you considered that people are consistently saying it's fake and wrong and hurtful to girls precisely because even though it is attainable, it feeds into what males consider attractive, and thus by association, calling it wrong or bad also implies that male preferences are wrong and bad? You really must try to see the situation from a more holistic angle. | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On July 16 2014 03:20 Socup wrote: You implied fed images are why people go for thin instead of the preference for "a little extra", because its cultural indoctrination of younger minds by what we see. Shaming males also has to do with why males choose to go for extra. "You're shallow!" "you're ugly and cant get an attractive girl" etc. In the end, people have preferences based on genetics for their friends, which will extend to S.O.s or casual involvements, and most guys would choose thin. It's not that difficult to see where your reasoning is coming from. Culture is trying to say guys should be attracted to a little bit extra and guys are awful if they aren't attracted to it. What do you think about that real beauty "campaign" by L'oreal, who happens to be owned by the same company that also owns axe body spray, which shows extremely attractive thin females in heat over some guy because he's wearing it? It's about marketing and getting sales. The reality is that most guys prefer the axe version of a girl. you can bring it down to curves&contrast pretty much. most men wont find super skinny girls "that" hot cause they lack stuff we associate with a good looking female body. nice tits,hips etc. if they got dem curves many will gladly take a bit of chubbiness. still almost evryone will take bit too thin over bit too fat cause a hanging belly is never attractive outside of a few special people. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On July 16 2014 03:37 Socup wrote: Haven't you considered that images in men or women's fashion magazines are ideal to live up to for attracting the opposite sex? Haven't you considered that people are consistently saying it's fake and wrong and hurtful to girls precisely because even though it is attainable, it feeds into what males consider attractive, and thus by association, calling it wrong or bad also implies that male preferences are wrong and bad? You really must try to see the situation from a more holistic angle. I dunno man, I don't know any male who isn't gay who reads at women fashion magazines, and for obvious reasons we can dispense with their preferences to be physically attracted to women. | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4782 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Magggrig
56 Posts
On May 29 2014 22:12 MrTortoise wrote: I AM overweight atm ... my bmi now is lower than when i was 18 and ran half marathons. I strongly suspect this whoel food is expensive thing to be bs What is really likely is that food has been artificially segmented into cheap average and good. As a result 'food' is shit by default and so normal costs more. Its turned into marketing when in reality it should be illegal to sell people sub standard bullshit that has been fed waste from antibiotic production to artificially induce huge amounts of weight gain. All it has done is put legitimate producers of food tthat do not operate on gigantic scale out of business. Agreed On July 16 2014 06:22 Ghostcom wrote: Men don't have to read the magazines. The magazines are selling to women who wants to be attractive to men and thus the looks of the models will be dictated by what men find attractive. The way the tipical model look, dress, the makeup, all of that is so repulsive. http://media.june.fr/article-1828785-ajust_930/elle-manage-ses-talents-a-la-perfection.jpg This for example, just what the fuck, it is not attractive at all but yet it is considered attractive :s | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
On July 16 2014 10:20 Magggrig wrote: Agreed The way the tipical model look, dress, the makeup, all of that is so repulsive. http://media.june.fr/article-1828785-ajust_930/elle-manage-ses-talents-a-la-perfection.jpg This for example, just what the fuck, it is not attractive at all but yet it is considered attractive :s I bet if you saw this person in a bar you would find her very attractive. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
Most magazine model photography operates with a different issue in mind. 2D images "flatten" 3D objects. Depending on the way your cheekbones are setup, and the way facial fat rests on it, it changes the proportions of the face. (This is the Jennifer Lawrence effect. She's quite thin, but he cheekbones are such that in direct view, she looks like she carries more weight than she does. Yes, you can "look fat" without being fat; similarly, you can "look thin" when you really aren't that thin. ) Further for Women's Magazines, there's a separate issue. They sell to Women. So they've all honed in on set of proportions that sell well. These operate as "The view of Women that Women think Men like, but Women still like to look at". It's actually a complex bit of marketing & psychology interacting, especially as the covers need to attract attention in Grocery stores. People can complain all that they want, but that's simply what sells for visual images. | ||
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Butterz
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_-NoMaN-_
Canada250 Posts
On July 16 2014 10:24 IgnE wrote: I bet if you saw this person in a bar you would find her very attractive. Personally (not that this was directed at me), if i saw this person in a bar i would appreciate the fact that she puts a lot of effort into the way she looks. Sexually, the level of attraction would be low. There are many determinants of sexual attraction; BMI is certainly not the dominant one, as far as i can tell. Good hip/chest ratios are much more important, as are facial features. That said, extremes of both obesity and thinness are generally considered unattractive. In the case of supermodels, the general appeal is not sexual. The main audience for these displays consists of mostly women and some (mostly gay) men, who are there for the fashion, not the women. Edit. grammar | ||
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_-NoMaN-_
Canada250 Posts
On July 16 2014 16:05 Butterz wrote: Can someone tell me the simplest ( i mean very simple ) exercises or something . You can post a link maybe. I think i should be careful now. I dont exercise and sometimes eat alot. The most simple way is just walking. 20 minutes in the morning and 20 minutes in the evening can do wonders. If you are overweight, jogging is a bad idea; instead buy a bike. Biking is tons of fun, and easier on your joints than jogging. If you have some money to spend, see if there is a rock-climbing gym in your area. Although it's slightly more expensive than a regular gym membership, it's also way more fun. The key thing is to find something that requires you to learn/build a skill during the course of your workout. This means that the more you do it, the more fun you have and the easier it becomes. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On July 16 2014 16:05 Butterz wrote: Can someone tell me the simplest ( i mean very simple ) exercises or something . You can post a link maybe. I think i should be careful now. I dont exercise and sometimes eat alot. Generally, exercise is pretty overrated. If you just do 1 hour of cardio daily and eat healthy you'll be golden. | ||
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