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On July 08 2014 07:07 screamingpalm wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 06:23 Ghostcom wrote:
I lived in San Francisco for a year and whilst the food in general was cheap it is such bullshit that making savory, flavourful and absolutely delicious food is some sort of arduous task or money-sink. The stores have such a huge variety of fresh vegetables and decent quality meat that you are hardly even going to need any recipes because with such ingredients it is almost impossible to fail. That and fish tacos are probably the things I miss the most about the US. Ah San Francisco, been quite awhile since I've been there. You do realize you are talking about perhaps the most progressive city in the world right? Sure, if I could jump on a plane and go shop for good quality food anywhere in the country, San Francisco would most likely rank in my top 3. But that's like going to Amsterdam and then saying the thing you miss the most about Europe is buying cannabis in coffee shops lol.
I somehow doubt that there is a huge difference between safeways or lucky's across the country. Regardless my point was that decent quality ingredients are available and that it is entirely possible to cook savory and fulfilling meals cheaply.
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On July 08 2014 22:16 Ghostcom wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 07:07 screamingpalm wrote:On July 08 2014 06:23 Ghostcom wrote:
I lived in San Francisco for a year and whilst the food in general was cheap it is such bullshit that making savory, flavourful and absolutely delicious food is some sort of arduous task or money-sink. The stores have such a huge variety of fresh vegetables and decent quality meat that you are hardly even going to need any recipes because with such ingredients it is almost impossible to fail. That and fish tacos are probably the things I miss the most about the US. Ah San Francisco, been quite awhile since I've been there. You do realize you are talking about perhaps the most progressive city in the world right? Sure, if I could jump on a plane and go shop for good quality food anywhere in the country, San Francisco would most likely rank in my top 3. But that's like going to Amsterdam and then saying the thing you miss the most about Europe is buying cannabis in coffee shops lol. I somehow doubt that there is a huge difference between safeways or lucky's across the country. Regardless my point was that decent quality ingredients are available and that it is entirely possible to cook savory and fulfilling meals cheaply.
Your doubts are relatively unimportant; folks actually born and raised in the USA are telling you that food access in a place like San Francisco is radically different than in Camden, Detroit, or even LA. You might want to look up the term "food desert" and go off more than confirmation bias and doubt.
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On July 08 2014 22:23 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 22:16 Ghostcom wrote:On July 08 2014 07:07 screamingpalm wrote:On July 08 2014 06:23 Ghostcom wrote:
I lived in San Francisco for a year and whilst the food in general was cheap it is such bullshit that making savory, flavourful and absolutely delicious food is some sort of arduous task or money-sink. The stores have such a huge variety of fresh vegetables and decent quality meat that you are hardly even going to need any recipes because with such ingredients it is almost impossible to fail. That and fish tacos are probably the things I miss the most about the US. Ah San Francisco, been quite awhile since I've been there. You do realize you are talking about perhaps the most progressive city in the world right? Sure, if I could jump on a plane and go shop for good quality food anywhere in the country, San Francisco would most likely rank in my top 3. But that's like going to Amsterdam and then saying the thing you miss the most about Europe is buying cannabis in coffee shops lol. I somehow doubt that there is a huge difference between safeways or lucky's across the country. Regardless my point was that decent quality ingredients are available and that it is entirely possible to cook savory and fulfilling meals cheaply. Your doubts are relatively unimportant; folks actually born and raised in the USA are telling you that food access in a place like San Francisco is radically different than in Camden, Detroit, or even LA. You might want to look up the term "food desert" and go off more than confirmation bias and doubt.
My initial post was a response to someone who claimed it impossible to cook savory healthy food and that all healthy food was bland, making the concept of food deserts irrelevant. Nevermind that though: Are you seriously trying to argue that food deserts are the reason for the US obesity (or obesity in general)? Have you given any thought as to how food deserts even go around existing in the first place?
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On July 08 2014 05:23 ZasZ. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 05:07 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
I'm sorry I don't understand. How is a shopping receipt arbitrary?
How can a person in USA not be able to have access to a shop? It's arbitrary because you seem to be unfamiliar with the concept that things cost different amounts of money depending on where you live. In my example, if you think you are getting a pound of salmon for $5 where I live, you're fucking crazy. But even if we assume that it were possible, you can get three burgers at any fast food joint for that much money. Your numbers don't add up. Unless you are literally eating some white rice and a small piece of fruit, it is definitely conceivable that for a lot of people in a lot of places (at least in the US), fast food could be cheaper and less time consuming than eating healthy.
Ok lets double the cost of salmon to $10 a pound. Now you are almost eating expensive restaurant quality, wild salmon. But then let eat a reasonably large amount as opposed to a reasonably fat man's amount , say half a pound of salmon. What does that come to? Oh $5. Amazing.
Anyhow the example of salmon salad isn't mine, it is somebody else's excuse that food you cook for yourself is expensive, and he had chosen the most reasonably expensive meal he could think of. Only that reasonably expensive meal he could think of turns out to be cheaper than fast food, which isn't even the equivalent in quality or type of meat.
Oh and 3 burgers at any fast food joint for $5?
Ok.
A 3/4 pound of minced beef =$3
Enough for 3 quarter pounder burgers.
Real cheese, not processed artificial cheese, enough for 4 thin slices = $1
Enough salad for 4 burgers that you can't fit into your burger and certainly more than you will get for 3 burgers for 5 dollars = $0.5
3 of the same burger bun that you can get at any fast foodjoint, but probably tastier = $1.5
Comes to $6, but you aren't eating nasty processed cheese, connective tissue and gristle, and bread that hasn't been frozen and shipped across a thousand miles.
Oh adn if you was using the same quality as these 3 burgers for $5 at fast food joint,then it'll be a lot lot cheaper. Like for like any food will be cheaper if you spend 10 minutes to cook instead of 5 minutes to drive and eat in your car.
Time to cook = 12 minutes
Btw, I think we found out why you would be obese. It's because you would consider eating 3 burgers at any fast food joint for $5 as a meal as opposed to using less money to cook for a more reasonable amount of tastier food.
Also lol at the idea that you got to be in the most "progressive city in the world" to find a variety of fresh vegetable and decent quality meat. Like really?
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On July 08 2014 22:42 Ghostcom wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 22:23 farvacola wrote:On July 08 2014 22:16 Ghostcom wrote:On July 08 2014 07:07 screamingpalm wrote:On July 08 2014 06:23 Ghostcom wrote:
I lived in San Francisco for a year and whilst the food in general was cheap it is such bullshit that making savory, flavourful and absolutely delicious food is some sort of arduous task or money-sink. The stores have such a huge variety of fresh vegetables and decent quality meat that you are hardly even going to need any recipes because with such ingredients it is almost impossible to fail. That and fish tacos are probably the things I miss the most about the US. Ah San Francisco, been quite awhile since I've been there. You do realize you are talking about perhaps the most progressive city in the world right? Sure, if I could jump on a plane and go shop for good quality food anywhere in the country, San Francisco would most likely rank in my top 3. But that's like going to Amsterdam and then saying the thing you miss the most about Europe is buying cannabis in coffee shops lol. I somehow doubt that there is a huge difference between safeways or lucky's across the country. Regardless my point was that decent quality ingredients are available and that it is entirely possible to cook savory and fulfilling meals cheaply. Your doubts are relatively unimportant; folks actually born and raised in the USA are telling you that food access in a place like San Francisco is radically different than in Camden, Detroit, or even LA. You might want to look up the term "food desert" and go off more than confirmation bias and doubt. My initial post was a response to someone who claimed it impossible to cook savory healthy food and that all healthy food was bland, making the concept of food deserts irrelevant. Nevermind that though: Are you seriously trying to argue that food deserts are the reason for the US obesity (or obesity in general)? Have you given any thought as to how food deserts even go around existing in the first place?
There is obviously no singular cause, and if you are of the opinion that a mere lack of demand is what drives supermarkets out of low income areas, I've got a bridge to sell you.
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Nevermind. I don't want to derail this thread.
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I wonder how many people in this thread consider themselves overweight.
I don't consider obesity a global issue. Obesity is an individual issue. Why should I be concerned for someone else lack of self-discipline?
I'm not the one with increased chance of hearth failure, stroke, bone structure degradation and so on.
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If the majority of people in a country are obese, this puts an unnecessary strain on the economy.
Studies have shown that the costs per individual is 40% higher than for normal weight people.
In the US, overall, obesity-related direct and indirect economic costs already exceed $150 billion annually.
Here is one of the papers that discusses this:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3047996/pdf/dmso-3-285.pdf
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On July 09 2014 00:02 tertos wrote:
I wonder how many people in this thread consider themselves overweight.
I don't consider obesity a global issue. Obesity is an individual issue. Why should I be concerned for someone else lack of self-discipline?
I'm not the one with increased chance of hearth failure, stroke, bone structure degradation and so on.
Sadly you are because their treatment is payed with your tax money (or future tax money)
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Now imagine, these $150 billion could easily be spent on subsidizing and promoting healthy food instead.
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On July 08 2014 04:16 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Cost of a big mac meal in USA = ???
Grilled salmon salad = ???
Salmon Fillet approx 1 pound = $5
Salad = $0.5
Some sort of carbohydrate, take your pick = $0.5
$6
Time taken = 10 minutes or less.
Time to wash the dishes = 1 min
Btw that's assuming that you eat enough for 2 large and fat people.
Oh and for your benefit I overpriced everything. This is some good quality food I have chosen for you to eating.
If you calculate the prices for salmon and beef as cheap as that, you might as well eat fast food, to be honest. You cant even get the shittiest salmon that cheap here. But good that you "overpriced" everything. That whole post sounds near delusional.
Non wild Salmon and meat as cheap as your 2nd example is so full of shit and or questionably produced that it is questionable at best if that is any "healthier". Your price calculations are sorta wtf, or you live somewhere that is jackpot for foodies?
Also your delusional time calculation. Only the thawing alone takes longer than your whole time calculation. You got a dirty pan, dirty bowl, dirty plate and several dirty other stuff. Definetly no minute.
You should either make an example video of your 11 minute wonder show, or calculate better, or not advice great meals you never cooked yourself with completly unrealistic standards..
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On July 09 2014 00:12 urboss wrote:
Now imagine, these $150 billion could easily be spent on subsidizing and promoting healthy food instead.
Or give Africa more food, or use it for renewable energy, or education or space exploration.
What we would do with the money: give it to banks and bail them out.
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On July 09 2014 01:12 freewareplayer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 04:16 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Cost of a big mac meal in USA = ???
Grilled salmon salad = ???
Salmon Fillet approx 1 pound = $5
Salad = $0.5
Some sort of carbohydrate, take your pick = $0.5
$6
Time taken = 10 minutes or less.
Time to wash the dishes = 1 min
Btw that's assuming that you eat enough for 2 large and fat people.
Oh and for your benefit I overpriced everything. This is some good quality food I have chosen for you to eating. If you calculate the prices for salmon and beef as cheap as that, you might as well eat fast food, to be honest. You cant even get the shittiest salmon that cheap here. But good that you "overpriced" everything. That whole post sounds near delusional. Non wild Salmon and meat as cheap as your 2nd example is so full of shit and or questionably produced that it is questionable at best if that is any "healthier". Your price calculations are sorta wtf, or you live somewhere that is jackpot for foodies? Also your delusional time calculation. Only the thawing alone takes longer than your whole time calculation. You got a dirty pan, dirty bowl, dirty plate and several dirty other stuff. Definetly no minute. You should either make an example video of your 11 minute wonder show, or calculate better, or not advice great meals you never cooked yourself with completly unrealistic standards..
Dirty pan, dirty kitchen utensils, dirty chopping board, dirty plate, lots of dirty stuff. How long does it take YOU to wash up? If you want shit standard salmon here it is : http://lmgtfy.com/?q=walmart salmon price How much is that? If you want to find out your local whole fillet prices go to your local store if you have one. You are German right? You must be swimming in supermarkets.
The only thing that is delusional is your belief that fast food is cheaper than home made food.
11 minute wonder show, here it goes.
Presumptions: You goto the supermarket weekly because you need to buy personal hygiene products or other domestic goods. If you don't go shopping, you got bigger problems than that you are obese. Mainly that you probably have bad personal hygiene and smell bad and your home relly needs a good clean. Time: not really that important; neglible.
Presumption: You have kitchen utensils and a chopping everything that makes up a kitchen. If you don't, you got bigger problems in that unless you are Indian you eat food with the same hand you wash your bumhole with.
Presumption: You have running water, gas and electricity. If you don't, you are probably homeless and got bigger problems, then a lack of a fridge. Plus you probably aren't obese and have much more life threatening health problems. Not to mention you have no access to the internet. Or a warm home.
Presumption: You don't fucking spend hours staring at whatever you are thawing, like a total retard. You go to school or have a job. Or stare at TL.net and play some SC2. Like wtf? I don't even understand this point.
Step 1: Put food in fridge. Important step this.
Step 2: Take food out of fridge. Also fairly important.
Step 3: Take the kitchen utensils out. In most cases they will be found in a drawer or hanging out on a peg. A chopping board and a chef's knife is all you really need for the most part though. Not so important, but it is nice to not have burnt hands.
How to make salmon salad:
(Remember I am not the guy who suggested this dish, it was the guy who wanted to compare salmon salad to ready meals as an "objective" comparison of price difference.)
Broil, pan sear it or poach it. Shouldn't take more than 10 minutes. Grill or baking it may take longer.
While that is going on, cut about $0.5 worth of salad. Make it 3 varieties of veg if you want. That's where the knife and board comes in handy. If you want to be fancy go cut a lemon into quarter and squeeze out the juice. Add $0.1. So expensive!
Time taken so far: less than 10 minutes.
Go back to staring at the salmon. Flip it over at half time is usually a good idea. Makes the sides even. Just like football. Unless you are American. Then just like soccer.
Don't want to stare at the salmon? Go wash the dishes and the utensils you have just used.
How to make a burger:
(I can't beleive I have to write this)
Step 1: Chop and shape the meat and veg
Step 2: Heat the meat. Results may vary on the time taken. Should take 12 mins or less depending how thick the meat is.
Step 3: Place the veg and meat and condiments and bread in an artistic manner. Tradition dictates that the bread be on the outermost layer.
Step 4: Open mouth.
Step 5: How you consume the burger is up to you.
Washing up: About 5 items. Less if you use your hands. About 1 minute.
If it takes longer, you are doing it wrong. Ask your carer to do it, if you are old and infirm.
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Maybe I am getting old . 
Feel so much harder to keep weight on check. I feel my diet didnt change much . .
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On July 09 2014 01:53 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2014 01:12 freewareplayer wrote:On July 08 2014 04:16 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Cost of a big mac meal in USA = ???
Grilled salmon salad = ???
Salmon Fillet approx 1 pound = $5
Salad = $0.5
Some sort of carbohydrate, take your pick = $0.5
$6
Time taken = 10 minutes or less.
Time to wash the dishes = 1 min
Btw that's assuming that you eat enough for 2 large and fat people.
Oh and for your benefit I overpriced everything. This is some good quality food I have chosen for you to eating. If you calculate the prices for salmon and beef as cheap as that, you might as well eat fast food, to be honest. You cant even get the shittiest salmon that cheap here. But good that you "overpriced" everything. That whole post sounds near delusional. Non wild Salmon and meat as cheap as your 2nd example is so full of shit and or questionably produced that it is questionable at best if that is any "healthier". Your price calculations are sorta wtf, or you live somewhere that is jackpot for foodies? Also your delusional time calculation. Only the thawing alone takes longer than your whole time calculation. You got a dirty pan, dirty bowl, dirty plate and several dirty other stuff. Definetly no minute. You should either make an example video of your 11 minute wonder show, or calculate better, or not advice great meals you never cooked yourself with completly unrealistic standards.. Dirty pan, dirty kitchen utensils, dirty chopping board, dirty plate, lots of dirty stuff. How long does it take YOU to wash up? If you want shit standard salmon here it is : http://lmgtfy.com/?q=walmart salmon price How much is that? If you want to find out your local whole fillet prices go to your local store if you have one. You are German right? You must be swimming in supermarkets. The only thing that is delusional is your belief that fast food is cheaper than home made food.
11 minute wonder show, here it goes.Presumptions: You goto the supermarket weekly because you need to buy personal hygiene products or other domestic goods. If you don't go shopping, you got bigger problems than that you are obese. Mainly that you probably have bad personal hygiene and smell bad and your home relly needs a good clean. Time: not really that important; neglible. Presumption: You have kitchen utensils and a chopping everything that makes up a kitchen. If you don't, you got bigger problems in that unless you are Indian you eat food with the same hand you wash your bumhole with. Presumption: You have running water, gas and electricity. If you don't, you are probably homeless and got bigger problems, then a lack of a fridge. Plus you probably aren't obese and have much more life threatening health problems. Not to mention you have no access to the internet. Or a warm home. Presumption: You don't fucking spend hours staring at whatever you are thawing, like a total retard. You go to school or have a job. Or stare at TL.net and play some SC2. Like wtf? I don't even understand this point. Step 1: Put food in fridge. Important step this. Step 2: Take food out of fridge. Also fairly important. Step 3: Take the kitchen utensils out. In most cases they will be found in a drawer or hanging out on a peg. A chopping board and a chef's knife is all you really need for the most part though. Not so important, but it is nice to not have burnt hands. How to make salmon salad: (Remember I am not the guy who suggested this dish, it was the guy who wanted to compare salmon salad to ready meals as an "objective" comparison of price difference.) Broil, pan sear it or poach it. Shouldn't take more than 10 minutes. Grill or baking it may take longer. While that is going on, cut about $0.5 worth of salad. Make it 3 varieties of veg if you want. That's where the knife and board comes in handy. If you want to be fancy go cut a lemon into quarter and squeeze out the juice. Add $0.1. So expensive! Time taken so far: less than 10 minutes. Go back to staring at the salmon. Flip it over at half time is usually a good idea. Makes the sides even. Just like football. Unless you are American. Then just like soccer. Don't want to stare at the salmon? Go wash the dishes and the utensils you have just used. How to make a burger:(I can't beleive I have to write this) Step 1: Chop and shape the meat and veg Step 2: Heat the meat. Results may vary on the time taken. Should take 12 mins or less depending how thick the meat is. Step 3: Place the veg and meat and condiments and bread in an artistic manner. Tradition dictates that the bread be on the outermost layer. Step 4: Open mouth. Step 5: How you consume the burger is up to you. Washing up: About 5 items. Less if you use your hands. About 1 minute. If it takes longer, you are doing it wrong. Ask your carer to do it, if you are old and infirm.
I don't get this whole discussion. Is anyone really arguing that any of the following is not true?
a) You can make food as good as at a fastfood restaurant cheaper if you prepare it yourself (This is obvious unless you assume people in fastfood joints work for free)
b) You can make better food compared to a fastfood restaurant if you prepare it yourself for the same price (This directly follows from a) if you assume that money spend is in any way correlated to food quality under simular circumstances)
Food is simple. The more time you invest, the less money you pay for the same quality. The more money you invest, the better the quality of the food. Quality can mean taste or healthiness. This is not rocket science.
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On July 09 2014 02:42 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2014 01:53 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On July 09 2014 01:12 freewareplayer wrote:On July 08 2014 04:16 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Cost of a big mac meal in USA = ???
Grilled salmon salad = ???
Salmon Fillet approx 1 pound = $5
Salad = $0.5
Some sort of carbohydrate, take your pick = $0.5
$6
Time taken = 10 minutes or less.
Time to wash the dishes = 1 min
Btw that's assuming that you eat enough for 2 large and fat people.
Oh and for your benefit I overpriced everything. This is some good quality food I have chosen for you to eating. If you calculate the prices for salmon and beef as cheap as that, you might as well eat fast food, to be honest. You cant even get the shittiest salmon that cheap here. But good that you "overpriced" everything. That whole post sounds near delusional. Non wild Salmon and meat as cheap as your 2nd example is so full of shit and or questionably produced that it is questionable at best if that is any "healthier". Your price calculations are sorta wtf, or you live somewhere that is jackpot for foodies? Also your delusional time calculation. Only the thawing alone takes longer than your whole time calculation. You got a dirty pan, dirty bowl, dirty plate and several dirty other stuff. Definetly no minute. You should either make an example video of your 11 minute wonder show, or calculate better, or not advice great meals you never cooked yourself with completly unrealistic standards.. Dirty pan, dirty kitchen utensils, dirty chopping board, dirty plate, lots of dirty stuff. How long does it take YOU to wash up? If you want shit standard salmon here it is : http://lmgtfy.com/?q=walmart salmon price How much is that? If you want to find out your local whole fillet prices go to your local store if you have one. You are German right? You must be swimming in supermarkets. The only thing that is delusional is your belief that fast food is cheaper than home made food.
11 minute wonder show, here it goes.Presumptions: You goto the supermarket weekly because you need to buy personal hygiene products or other domestic goods. If you don't go shopping, you got bigger problems than that you are obese. Mainly that you probably have bad personal hygiene and smell bad and your home relly needs a good clean. Time: not really that important; neglible. Presumption: You have kitchen utensils and a chopping everything that makes up a kitchen. If you don't, you got bigger problems in that unless you are Indian you eat food with the same hand you wash your bumhole with. Presumption: You have running water, gas and electricity. If you don't, you are probably homeless and got bigger problems, then a lack of a fridge. Plus you probably aren't obese and have much more life threatening health problems. Not to mention you have no access to the internet. Or a warm home. Presumption: You don't fucking spend hours staring at whatever you are thawing, like a total retard. You go to school or have a job. Or stare at TL.net and play some SC2. Like wtf? I don't even understand this point. Step 1: Put food in fridge. Important step this. Step 2: Take food out of fridge. Also fairly important. Step 3: Take the kitchen utensils out. In most cases they will be found in a drawer or hanging out on a peg. A chopping board and a chef's knife is all you really need for the most part though. Not so important, but it is nice to not have burnt hands. How to make salmon salad: (Remember I am not the guy who suggested this dish, it was the guy who wanted to compare salmon salad to ready meals as an "objective" comparison of price difference.) Broil, pan sear it or poach it. Shouldn't take more than 10 minutes. Grill or baking it may take longer. While that is going on, cut about $0.5 worth of salad. Make it 3 varieties of veg if you want. That's where the knife and board comes in handy. If you want to be fancy go cut a lemon into quarter and squeeze out the juice. Add $0.1. So expensive! Time taken so far: less than 10 minutes. Go back to staring at the salmon. Flip it over at half time is usually a good idea. Makes the sides even. Just like football. Unless you are American. Then just like soccer. Don't want to stare at the salmon? Go wash the dishes and the utensils you have just used. How to make a burger:(I can't beleive I have to write this) Step 1: Chop and shape the meat and veg Step 2: Heat the meat. Results may vary on the time taken. Should take 12 mins or less depending how thick the meat is. Step 3: Place the veg and meat and condiments and bread in an artistic manner. Tradition dictates that the bread be on the outermost layer. Step 4: Open mouth. Step 5: How you consume the burger is up to you. Washing up: About 5 items. Less if you use your hands. About 1 minute. If it takes longer, you are doing it wrong. Ask your carer to do it, if you are old and infirm. I don't get this whole discussion. Is anyone really arguing that any of the following is not true? a) You can make food as good as at a fastfood restaurant cheaper if you prepare it yourself (This is obvious unless you assume people in fastfood joints work for free) b) You can make better food compared to a fastfood restaurant if you prepare it yourself for the same price (This directly follows from a) if you assume that money spend is in any way correlated to food quality under simular circumstances) Food is simple. The more time you invest, the less money you pay for the same quality. The more money you invest, the better the quality of the food. Quality can mean taste or healthiness. This is not rocket science.
A lot of people are just lazy.
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On July 09 2014 01:53 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2014 01:12 freewareplayer wrote:On July 08 2014 04:16 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Cost of a big mac meal in USA = ???
Grilled salmon salad = ???
Salmon Fillet approx 1 pound = $5
Salad = $0.5
Some sort of carbohydrate, take your pick = $0.5
$6
Time taken = 10 minutes or less.
Time to wash the dishes = 1 min
Btw that's assuming that you eat enough for 2 large and fat people.
Oh and for your benefit I overpriced everything. This is some good quality food I have chosen for you to eating. If you calculate the prices for salmon and beef as cheap as that, you might as well eat fast food, to be honest. You cant even get the shittiest salmon that cheap here. But good that you "overpriced" everything. That whole post sounds near delusional. Non wild Salmon and meat as cheap as your 2nd example is so full of shit and or questionably produced that it is questionable at best if that is any "healthier". Your price calculations are sorta wtf, or you live somewhere that is jackpot for foodies? Also your delusional time calculation. Only the thawing alone takes longer than your whole time calculation. You got a dirty pan, dirty bowl, dirty plate and several dirty other stuff. Definetly no minute. You should either make an example video of your 11 minute wonder show, or calculate better, or not advice great meals you never cooked yourself with completly unrealistic standards.. Dirty pan, dirty kitchen utensils, dirty chopping board, dirty plate, lots of dirty stuff. How long does it take YOU to wash up? If you want shit standard salmon here it is : http://lmgtfy.com/?q=walmart salmon price How much is that? If you want to find out your local whole fillet prices go to your local store if you have one. You are German right? You must be swimming in supermarkets.
No Walmart here. Even if you would get it at your quoted price, which you wont, irrelevant. My argument was that its not healthier than fast food considering how salmon gets raised. Same for your low price beef or other meat, so no need to add some burger recipe noone wants to read on here, doesnt even adress my argument.
On July 08 2014 04:16 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
The only thing that is delusional is your belief that fast food is cheaper than home made food.
Too bad i didnt claim that once. Reading comprehension, if your gonna act like either a dick or troll, at least be factually right.
On July 08 2014 04:16 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
11 minute wonder show, here it goes.
Presumptions: You goto the supermarket weekly because you need to buy personal hygiene products or other domestic goods. If you don't go shopping, you got bigger problems than that you are obese. Mainly that you probably have bad personal hygiene and smell bad and your home relly needs a good clean. Time: not really that important; neglible.
Presumption: You have kitchen utensils and a chopping everything that makes up a kitchen. If you don't, you got bigger problems in that unless you are Indian you eat food with the same hand you wash your bumhole with.
Seriously dude?
On July 08 2014 04:16 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Presumption: You have running water, gas and electricity. If you don't, you are probably homeless and got bigger problems, then a lack of a fridge. Plus you probably aren't obese and have much more life threatening health problems. Not to mention you have no access to the internet. Or a warm home.
Presumption: You don't fucking spend hours staring at whatever you are thawing, like a total retard. You go to school or have a job. Or stare at TL.net and play some SC2. Like wtf? I don't even understand this point.
You dont understand it cause your either trolling or seriously close minded.
Your argument here is the same as saying: "I get my food instantly at the restaurant because i did my homework in the waiting time".
Cant even be bothered to respond to the rest or future stuff from you, before i get dragged down to full ignorance level.
This seems to be a really sensitive topic for you. Also if you go this much full retard, just make a video of your 11 minute wonder show, cause nothing else will convince people after your angry offensive and defensive post lol.
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On July 09 2014 02:42 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2014 01:53 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On July 09 2014 01:12 freewareplayer wrote:On July 08 2014 04:16 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Cost of a big mac meal in USA = ???
Grilled salmon salad = ???
Salmon Fillet approx 1 pound = $5
Salad = $0.5
Some sort of carbohydrate, take your pick = $0.5
$6
Time taken = 10 minutes or less.
Time to wash the dishes = 1 min
Btw that's assuming that you eat enough for 2 large and fat people.
Oh and for your benefit I overpriced everything. This is some good quality food I have chosen for you to eating. If you calculate the prices for salmon and beef as cheap as that, you might as well eat fast food, to be honest. You cant even get the shittiest salmon that cheap here. But good that you "overpriced" everything. That whole post sounds near delusional. Non wild Salmon and meat as cheap as your 2nd example is so full of shit and or questionably produced that it is questionable at best if that is any "healthier". Your price calculations are sorta wtf, or you live somewhere that is jackpot for foodies? Also your delusional time calculation. Only the thawing alone takes longer than your whole time calculation. You got a dirty pan, dirty bowl, dirty plate and several dirty other stuff. Definetly no minute. You should either make an example video of your 11 minute wonder show, or calculate better, or not advice great meals you never cooked yourself with completly unrealistic standards.. Dirty pan, dirty kitchen utensils, dirty chopping board, dirty plate, lots of dirty stuff. How long does it take YOU to wash up? If you want shit standard salmon here it is : http://lmgtfy.com/?q=walmart salmon price How much is that? If you want to find out your local whole fillet prices go to your local store if you have one. You are German right? You must be swimming in supermarkets. The only thing that is delusional is your belief that fast food is cheaper than home made food.
11 minute wonder show, here it goes.Presumptions: You goto the supermarket weekly because you need to buy personal hygiene products or other domestic goods. If you don't go shopping, you got bigger problems than that you are obese. Mainly that you probably have bad personal hygiene and smell bad and your home relly needs a good clean. Time: not really that important; neglible. Presumption: You have kitchen utensils and a chopping everything that makes up a kitchen. If you don't, you got bigger problems in that unless you are Indian you eat food with the same hand you wash your bumhole with. Presumption: You have running water, gas and electricity. If you don't, you are probably homeless and got bigger problems, then a lack of a fridge. Plus you probably aren't obese and have much more life threatening health problems. Not to mention you have no access to the internet. Or a warm home. Presumption: You don't fucking spend hours staring at whatever you are thawing, like a total retard. You go to school or have a job. Or stare at TL.net and play some SC2. Like wtf? I don't even understand this point. Step 1: Put food in fridge. Important step this. Step 2: Take food out of fridge. Also fairly important. Step 3: Take the kitchen utensils out. In most cases they will be found in a drawer or hanging out on a peg. A chopping board and a chef's knife is all you really need for the most part though. Not so important, but it is nice to not have burnt hands. How to make salmon salad: (Remember I am not the guy who suggested this dish, it was the guy who wanted to compare salmon salad to ready meals as an "objective" comparison of price difference.) Broil, pan sear it or poach it. Shouldn't take more than 10 minutes. Grill or baking it may take longer. While that is going on, cut about $0.5 worth of salad. Make it 3 varieties of veg if you want. That's where the knife and board comes in handy. If you want to be fancy go cut a lemon into quarter and squeeze out the juice. Add $0.1. So expensive! Time taken so far: less than 10 minutes. Go back to staring at the salmon. Flip it over at half time is usually a good idea. Makes the sides even. Just like football. Unless you are American. Then just like soccer. Don't want to stare at the salmon? Go wash the dishes and the utensils you have just used. How to make a burger:(I can't beleive I have to write this) Step 1: Chop and shape the meat and veg Step 2: Heat the meat. Results may vary on the time taken. Should take 12 mins or less depending how thick the meat is. Step 3: Place the veg and meat and condiments and bread in an artistic manner. Tradition dictates that the bread be on the outermost layer. Step 4: Open mouth. Step 5: How you consume the burger is up to you. Washing up: About 5 items. Less if you use your hands. About 1 minute. If it takes longer, you are doing it wrong. Ask your carer to do it, if you are old and infirm. I don't get this whole discussion. Is anyone really arguing that any of the following is not true? a) You can make food as good as at a fastfood restaurant cheaper if you prepare it yourself (This is obvious unless you assume people in fastfood joints work for free) b) You can make better food compared to a fastfood restaurant if you prepare it yourself for the same price (This directly follows from a) if you assume that money spend is in any way correlated to food quality under simular circumstances) Food is simple. The more time you invest, the less money you pay for the same quality. The more money you invest, the better the quality of the food. Quality can mean taste or healthiness. This is not rocket science.
Look below/above. Theres about 5 people in this thread insisting that home cook food is time consuming, less tasty and more expensive.
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On July 09 2014 02:57 freewareplayer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2014 01:53 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On July 09 2014 01:12 freewareplayer wrote:On July 08 2014 04:16 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Cost of a big mac meal in USA = ???
Grilled salmon salad = ???
Salmon Fillet approx 1 pound = $5
Salad = $0.5
Some sort of carbohydrate, take your pick = $0.5
$6
Time taken = 10 minutes or less.
Time to wash the dishes = 1 min
Btw that's assuming that you eat enough for 2 large and fat people.
Oh and for your benefit I overpriced everything. This is some good quality food I have chosen for you to eating. If you calculate the prices for salmon and beef as cheap as that, you might as well eat fast food, to be honest. You cant even get the shittiest salmon that cheap here. But good that you "overpriced" everything. That whole post sounds near delusional. Non wild Salmon and meat as cheap as your 2nd example is so full of shit and or questionably produced that it is questionable at best if that is any "healthier". Your price calculations are sorta wtf, or you live somewhere that is jackpot for foodies? Also your delusional time calculation. Only the thawing alone takes longer than your whole time calculation. You got a dirty pan, dirty bowl, dirty plate and several dirty other stuff. Definetly no minute. You should either make an example video of your 11 minute wonder show, or calculate better, or not advice great meals you never cooked yourself with completly unrealistic standards.. Dirty pan, dirty kitchen utensils, dirty chopping board, dirty plate, lots of dirty stuff. How long does it take YOU to wash up? If you want shit standard salmon here it is : http://lmgtfy.com/?q=walmart salmon price How much is that? If you want to find out your local whole fillet prices go to your local store if you have one. You are German right? You must be swimming in supermarkets. No Walmart here. Even if you would get it at your quoted price, which you wont, irrelevant. My argument was that its not healthier than fast food considering how salmon gets raised. Same for your low price beef or other meat, so no need to add some burger recipe noone wants to read on here, doesnt even adress my argument. Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 04:16 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
The only thing that is delusional is your belief that fast food is cheaper than home made food. Too bad i didnt claim that once. Reading comprehension, if your gonna act like either a dick or troll, at least be factually right. Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 04:16 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
11 minute wonder show, here it goes.
Presumptions: You goto the supermarket weekly because you need to buy personal hygiene products or other domestic goods. If you don't go shopping, you got bigger problems than that you are obese. Mainly that you probably have bad personal hygiene and smell bad and your home relly needs a good clean. Time: not really that important; neglible.
Presumption: You have kitchen utensils and a chopping everything that makes up a kitchen. If you don't, you got bigger problems in that unless you are Indian you eat food with the same hand you wash your bumhole with.
Seriously dude? Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 04:16 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Presumption: You have running water, gas and electricity. If you don't, you are probably homeless and got bigger problems, then a lack of a fridge. Plus you probably aren't obese and have much more life threatening health problems. Not to mention you have no access to the internet. Or a warm home.
Presumption: You don't fucking spend hours staring at whatever you are thawing, like a total retard. You go to school or have a job. Or stare at TL.net and play some SC2. Like wtf? I don't even understand this point.
You dont understand it cause your either trolling or seriously close minded. Your argument here is the same as saying: "I get my food instantly at the restaurant because i did my homework in the waiting time". Cant even be bothered to respond to the rest or future stuff from you, before i get dragged down to full ignorance level. This seems to be a really sensitive topic for you. Also if you go this much full retard, just make a video of your 11 minute wonder show, cause nothing else will convince people after your angry offensive and defensive post lol.
Ok mr freeware player. Tell me why you consider thawing time in if you don't manically stare at a thawing piece of meat? No seriously tell me. I really want to know. Do you spend hours of your time watching a thawing peice of meat? Because I got to tell you, you are doing it wrong.
Tell me me freewareplayer, how long does it take you to do the washing for a single person? Becuase if you aren't taking a minute, you are doing it wrong.
Tell me mr freewareplayer, wtf is so hard to understand a simple instruction of heating a piece of meat for 10 minutes, flip halfway? 10 minutes is 10 minutes. Time is time. it doesn't change unless you are moving at near lightspeed.
I don't need to put of a video of my home, of my self cooking? Like wtf, you want me to chop things with a knife, cook meat with oil and wave a camcorder around? A kitchen is not a playground. Plus there's no way I am going to reveal something as intimate as the inside of my house to someone who stares at a thawing peice of meat lol.
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On July 09 2014 02:57 freewareplayer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2014 01:53 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On July 09 2014 01:12 freewareplayer wrote:On July 08 2014 04:16 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Cost of a big mac meal in USA = ???
Grilled salmon salad = ???
Salmon Fillet approx 1 pound = $5
Salad = $0.5
Some sort of carbohydrate, take your pick = $0.5
$6
Time taken = 10 minutes or less.
Time to wash the dishes = 1 min
Btw that's assuming that you eat enough for 2 large and fat people.
Oh and for your benefit I overpriced everything. This is some good quality food I have chosen for you to eating. If you calculate the prices for salmon and beef as cheap as that, you might as well eat fast food, to be honest. You cant even get the shittiest salmon that cheap here. But good that you "overpriced" everything. That whole post sounds near delusional. Non wild Salmon and meat as cheap as your 2nd example is so full of shit and or questionably produced that it is questionable at best if that is any "healthier". Your price calculations are sorta wtf, or you live somewhere that is jackpot for foodies? Also your delusional time calculation. Only the thawing alone takes longer than your whole time calculation. You got a dirty pan, dirty bowl, dirty plate and several dirty other stuff. Definetly no minute. You should either make an example video of your 11 minute wonder show, or calculate better, or not advice great meals you never cooked yourself with completly unrealistic standards.. Dirty pan, dirty kitchen utensils, dirty chopping board, dirty plate, lots of dirty stuff. How long does it take YOU to wash up? If you want shit standard salmon here it is : http://lmgtfy.com/?q=walmart salmon price How much is that? If you want to find out your local whole fillet prices go to your local store if you have one. You are German right? You must be swimming in supermarkets. No Walmart here. Even if you would get it at your quoted price, which you wont, irrelevant. My argument was that its not healthier than fast food considering how salmon gets raised. Same for your low price beef or other meat, so no need to add some burger recipe noone wants to read on here, doesnt even adress my argument.
Obviously you don't get the healthiest food on the planet at the same price as a burger at a fast food joint. Luckily enough, that is not necessary for this argument. All you need is something that is more healthy than that burger. Yes, the cheapest meat you will find at a store is probably not the healthiest thing you have ever seen. A reasonable homemade meal including this meat is STILL healthier than a fastfood burger made from the exact same meat. Do you really think they use organic beef in those?
Tell me mr freewareplayer, wtf is so hard to understand a simple instruction of heating a piece of meat for 10 minutes, flip halfway? 10 minutes is 10 minutes. Time is time. it doesn't change unless you are moving at near lightspeed.
Time doesn't change when you are fast. The time of everything else does. So unless you are moving at a vastly different speed in relation to your meat, you will never have problems with relativistic physics. How fast you move in relation to other stuff is not relevant.
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