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On July 08 2014 04:25 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 04:16 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On July 08 2014 03:50 ZasZ. wrote:On July 08 2014 03:25 Xiphos wrote:
Most of you guys are stuck in the mentality where the women should be the one cooking and men can't cook at all.
Well guess what? The most famous and best in the field of gastronomy are 90% men! Men on average, if they try definitely cooks better than women!
So quit bitching about how difficult it is to prepare food, why not cut off 30 minutes of video game playing, forum surfing, instagram posting, facebook updating, Twitter hashtagging, and Game of Throne watching time of your life and go back to the basic of humanity! To be able to cook a balance, healthy, and satisfying meal by your own!
You are all strong and independent men that don't need no women. #yesallmen Wat. This is slightly off-topic, but lets not pretend that the fact that professional kitchens are male-dominated has anything to do with men being better at cooking (again, wat). I've seen you post here and there on these boards and you always seem to think your way of life is somehow superior to the people you are arguing with. Whether or not that's what you intend, that method of discussion isn't likely to bring anyone around to your side. It's a lot more complicated than simply "make 30 minutes of time and you're set!" Eating a well-balanced diet of fresh food takes time and forethought, especially when it is new to you. In addition, if you're not already half-decent at cooking, a lot of time goes into learning, which is great but definitely takes time that some people just don't have or want to spare. Secondly, I see a lot of people making the argument that eating healthy is cheaper because instead of buying a Big Mac (or whatever), you have an apple and a piece of celery (as an example). To me, an apple is a snack and a piece of celery is a piece of garbage. The two together does not a meal make. It is definitely possible to eat healthy, but people do it in different ways, and there are different time and money commitments associated with that. My idea of a healthy dinner is a grilled salmon salad, not white rice and a piece of fruit. Guess which one is more expensive than most fast food? There is a tremendous upside to fast food that people seem to ignore when they assume that people like destroying their bodies and do it on purpose: it's fucking easy. You suggest going back to the basics of humanity, but we are so far beyond that in our daily responsibilities. People work longer and longer days and have more and more responsibilities at home, and unless they have a lot of time on their hands or are superhuman, there is tremendous appeal to the idea of making a quick stop on your way home, paying some money, and being able to put food on your table as soon as you get home. Wat Cost of a big mac meal in USA = ??? Grilled salmon salad = ??? Salmon Fillet approx 1 pound = $5 Salad = $0.5 Some sort of carbohydrate, take your pick = $0.5 $6 Time taken = 10 minutes or less. Time to wash the dishes = 1 min Btw that's assuming that you eat enough for 2 large and fat people. Oh and for your benefit I overpriced everything. This is some good quality food I have chosen for you to eating. Your costs are as arbitrary as your ignorance of food access, which is saying something.
They are arbitrary in that I took a look at my shopping receipt. And they are of good quality.
What do you mean by food access. Are you telling me that you can't buy food along with your weekly shopping? WTF?
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On July 08 2014 04:59 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 04:25 farvacola wrote:On July 08 2014 04:16 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On July 08 2014 03:50 ZasZ. wrote:On July 08 2014 03:25 Xiphos wrote:
Most of you guys are stuck in the mentality where the women should be the one cooking and men can't cook at all.
Well guess what? The most famous and best in the field of gastronomy are 90% men! Men on average, if they try definitely cooks better than women!
So quit bitching about how difficult it is to prepare food, why not cut off 30 minutes of video game playing, forum surfing, instagram posting, facebook updating, Twitter hashtagging, and Game of Throne watching time of your life and go back to the basic of humanity! To be able to cook a balance, healthy, and satisfying meal by your own!
You are all strong and independent men that don't need no women. #yesallmen Wat. This is slightly off-topic, but lets not pretend that the fact that professional kitchens are male-dominated has anything to do with men being better at cooking (again, wat). I've seen you post here and there on these boards and you always seem to think your way of life is somehow superior to the people you are arguing with. Whether or not that's what you intend, that method of discussion isn't likely to bring anyone around to your side. It's a lot more complicated than simply "make 30 minutes of time and you're set!" Eating a well-balanced diet of fresh food takes time and forethought, especially when it is new to you. In addition, if you're not already half-decent at cooking, a lot of time goes into learning, which is great but definitely takes time that some people just don't have or want to spare. Secondly, I see a lot of people making the argument that eating healthy is cheaper because instead of buying a Big Mac (or whatever), you have an apple and a piece of celery (as an example). To me, an apple is a snack and a piece of celery is a piece of garbage. The two together does not a meal make. It is definitely possible to eat healthy, but people do it in different ways, and there are different time and money commitments associated with that. My idea of a healthy dinner is a grilled salmon salad, not white rice and a piece of fruit. Guess which one is more expensive than most fast food? There is a tremendous upside to fast food that people seem to ignore when they assume that people like destroying their bodies and do it on purpose: it's fucking easy. You suggest going back to the basics of humanity, but we are so far beyond that in our daily responsibilities. People work longer and longer days and have more and more responsibilities at home, and unless they have a lot of time on their hands or are superhuman, there is tremendous appeal to the idea of making a quick stop on your way home, paying some money, and being able to put food on your table as soon as you get home. Wat Cost of a big mac meal in USA = ??? Grilled salmon salad = ??? Salmon Fillet approx 1 pound = $5 Salad = $0.5 Some sort of carbohydrate, take your pick = $0.5 $6 Time taken = 10 minutes or less. Time to wash the dishes = 1 min Btw that's assuming that you eat enough for 2 large and fat people. Oh and for your benefit I overpriced everything. This is some good quality food I have chosen for you to eating. Your costs are as arbitrary as your ignorance of food access, which is saying something. They are arbitrary in that I took a look at my shopping receipt. And they are of good quality. What do you mean by food access. Are you telling me that you can't buy food along with your weekly shopping? WTF?
I think that's precisely what he means.
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I'm sorry I don't understand. How is a shopping receipt arbitrary?
How can a person in USA not be able to have access to a shop?
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On July 08 2014 05:07 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
I'm sorry I don't understand. How is a shopping receipt arbitrary?
How can a person in USA not be able to have access to a shop?
Beats me too.
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On July 08 2014 05:07 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
I'm sorry I don't understand. How is a shopping receipt arbitrary?
How can a person in USA not be able to have access to a shop?
It's arbitrary because you seem to be unfamiliar with the concept that things cost different amounts of money depending on where you live. In my example, if you think you are getting a pound of salmon for $5 where I live, you're fucking crazy. But even if we assume that it were possible, you can get three burgers at any fast food joint for that much money.
Your numbers don't add up. Unless you are literally eating some white rice and a small piece of fruit, it is definitely conceivable that for a lot of people in a lot of places (at least in the US), fast food could be cheaper and less time consuming than eating healthy.
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On July 08 2014 04:50 Rankith wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 03:50 ZasZ. wrote:
It's a lot more complicated than simply "make 30 minutes of time and you're set!" Eating a well-balanced diet of fresh food takes time and forethought, especially when it is new to you. In addition, if you're not already half-decent at cooking, a lot of time goes into learning, which is great but definitely takes time that some people just don't have or want to spare. Secondly, I see a lot of people making the argument that eating healthy is cheaper because instead of buying a Big Mac (or whatever), you have an apple and a piece of celery (as an example). To me, an apple is a snack and a piece of celery is a piece of garbage. The two together does not a meal make. It is definitely possible to eat healthy, but people do it in different ways, and there are different time and money commitments associated with that. My idea of a healthy dinner is a grilled salmon salad, not white rice and a piece of fruit. Guess which one is more expensive than most fast food? It's not what "your idea" of healthy is. Its what is healthy and in your budget that matters. You not liking healthy food is a completely separate issue. If you just don't like any healthy food, then you either live with that or you change your likes.
Where on earth did I say I don't like healthy food? I said I don't like celery which is one (shitty) vegetable in a sea of vegetables. My problem is with the people claiming it's easy to eat healthy when their idea of eating healthy is boring. There is a world of flavor out there, not all of it is terrible for you, and some people like to eat as an activity. In order to live a healthy lifestyle, it's not necessary to treat eating like pooping, an obligatory bodily function that should be done as little as possible in the most efficient way possible. And there really isn't a question (at least where I'm at) that it is often cheaper and easier to go out for food like that than cook it at home.
I agree with the sentiment that in general, the obesity problem is stemming more from people eating too much than what they are actually eating (which could also use improvement).
And as far as "fat acceptance" goes, it only goes so far. You get into hot water for publicly judging someone for their weight, but no one is stopping you from judging them internally, and fat people will still have a hard time finding romantic partners that aren't also fat. It's just not sexually desirable to most people, and likely will never be. As long as that's the case, fat acceptance can't really be a thing in my eyes, even if people want to go off of the political correctness diving board on every issue.
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I think a number of people confuse "cost", "cost in TIME", "cheaper" and "amount of effort required" in the way Americans eat.
For the most part, unless you're eating off the Dollar Menus from a Fast Food place, all it's truly "cheaper" in is your "effort" to get food. Assuming the place isn't far away. (Driving, after having done it for several years, is far less mentally intensive than cooking, unless you've been doing THAT for years) Even with a good usage of "Calorie Arbitrage" from the Dollar Menu, odds are the total time, physical expenditure, total monetary cost and caloric content are always going to be on the side of a home-cooked meal. (Unless you're a homeless guy that lives right next to a McDonald's, then that's a different issue)
On a per-kCal basis, I'm sure that the money-losing Value menus (or money-neutral, depending on the item) are the "cheapest" calories available. But you have to ignore getting to the location and all of the investment & opportunities costs.
It's really just about the Effort. Most people just can't be bothered to change.
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On July 08 2014 04:48 Rankith wrote:
This thread seems to have turned into a debate of "eating healthy costs too much". When originally, it was about obesity. You don't need to eat "healthier" food to not be obese, you just need to eat LESS food/booze etc. A shit diet where you eat the correct amount of calories for your body is much healthier then a shit diet where you eat way to much so thats a pretty big improvement. Lets get that message across first and then once your eating LESS, eat BETTER.
On the healthy eating front. The human body is amazing, you don't need the perfect balance of foods to have a "healthy" diet. All you need is to eat enough, and get the occasional nutrients from veggies/fruits in addition to whatever else you may eat. Yes fish is very good for you, but you don't NEED fish to have a good diet, find the right balance of things you need that fits your budget and this will work in all but the more extreme poverty cases.
This. So much this. You can be healthy eating a lot of crap.
And considering the topic is about obesity hes right, calory intake matters first and foremost, not all the healthy cookbooks we are starting to assemble here.
Most likely for a fat person its hard both to eat healthy and to not overeat. Changing both at once, i imagine, should be harder than changing one. So just start with the more important one, the calory intake.
Plus a lot of people, including me, dont give 2 flying rats about whether its healthy or not. My tastebuds decide what i eat.
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EDIT: seems like the thread moved on whilst I was writing with my chubby fingers on the cellphone.
+ Show Spoiler +I lived in San Francisco for a year and whilst the food in general was cheap it is such bullshit that making savory, flavourful and absolutely delicious food is some sort of arduous task or money-sink. The stores have such a huge variety of fresh vegetables and decent quality meat that you are hardly even going to need any recipes because with such ingredients it is almost impossible to fail. That and fish tacos are probably the things I miss the most about the US.
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On July 08 2014 06:23 Ghostcom wrote:
I lived in San Francisco for a year and whilst the food in general was cheap it is such bullshit that making savory, flavourful and absolutely delicious food is some sort of arduous task or money-sink. The stores have such a huge variety of fresh vegetables and decent quality meat that you are hardly even going to need any recipes because with such ingredients it is almost impossible to fail. That and fish tacos are probably the things I miss the most about the US.
Ah San Francisco, been quite awhile since I've been there. You do realize you are talking about perhaps the most progressive city in the world right? Sure, if I could jump on a plane and go shop for good quality food anywhere in the country, San Francisco would most likely rank in my top 3. But that's like going to Amsterdam and then saying the thing you miss the most about Europe is buying cannabis in coffee shops lol.
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Assuming that an obese person switching from junk fast food to "clean" brofoods is going to suddenly stop eating at 3k Calorie surplus is hopeful at best...
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By the way, another great way to lose weight and get healthier is to take cold showers.
A friend of mine went from 250 to 215 in one months by taking 1 5 minutes cold showers everyday. No work out, no dieting.
Now that he have lost 35 pounds, he felt lighter and started to jog regularly while keeping up with his showering ritual.
I think he is also eating less to maintain his current lighter weight.
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On July 08 2014 11:18 Xiphos wrote:
By the way, another great way to lose weight and get healthier is to take cold showers.
A friend of mine went from 250 to 215 in one months by taking 1 5 minutes cold showers everyday. No work out, no dieting.
Jeez, that is literally the mindset why a lot of people are fat. They prefer "torture" over some work or self control.
He is loosing weight cause he is shivering, in a documentary about anorexia i saw patients in rehab chill next to open windows just so they would shiver and ergo loose weight. Its basicly forcing your body to do a little workout on its own, downside, your freezing.
Even if it worked for him, thats fked up imo.
Edit: Really doubt 5 minutes a day will result in a loss 17,5kg in a month, not sure any more if you are serious or trolling.
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On July 08 2014 11:18 Xiphos wrote:
By the way, another great way to lose weight and get healthier is to take cold showers.
A friend of mine went from 250 to 215 in one months by taking 1 5 minutes cold showers everyday. No work out, no dieting.
Now that he have lost 35 pounds, he felt lighter and started to jog regularly while keeping up with his showering ritual.
I think he is also eating less to maintain his current lighter weight.
Another good way to lose weight and get healthier is to drink your urine every morning. My friend went from 260 to 220 in 6 weeks just by drinking his urine everyday. No workouts, no real dieting.
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A nephew of a friend of mine lost 200 (!) pounds by mummifying himself for one year.
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On July 08 2014 17:29 urboss wrote:
A nephew of a friend of mine lost 200 (!) pounds by mummifying himself for one year.
Rofl
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Well, there's some truth behind that, if you cool of your body you're gonna burn some calories heating up your body, I still wouldn't recommend cold showers though as it will probably get you quite vurneable to a cold or other health issues.
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On July 08 2014 11:18 Xiphos wrote:
By the way, another great way to lose weight and get healthier is to take cold showers.
A friend of mine went from 250 to 215 in one months by taking 1 5 minutes cold showers everyday. No work out, no dieting.
Now that he have lost 35 pounds, he felt lighter and started to jog regularly while keeping up with his showering ritual.
I think he is also eating less to maintain his current lighter weight.
I suggest your friend get checked out, because he has either diabetes or advanced cancer.
EDIT: Great signature IgnE.
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IMHO: Is it so hard to understand, that there's no magic formula for weight loss? There is no trick or super easy way. Stop wasting money and time searching for it.
Stop eating too much shit, move your ass and get some discipline (concerning eating habits), because it's not going to be easy! From my personal experience the most important factor is being honest to yourself. How much do you really eat/burn a day? Basically all people i know, who complain about being overweight are lying to themselves concerning their eating habits. If you really can't control it, get help!
Apart from not finding it attractive personally i got no problems with overweight people. You're free to do whatever you want with your body as far as i'm concerned. Just don't whine about it, if you don't have certain diseases, genetic or mental disorders. Which, but the latter, are basically irrelevant in the discussion. They just aren't a factor numbers wise.
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