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On July 08 2014 00:30 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
So you are too lazy to spend a few minutes to cook some food for yourself and then wonder why you are fat. Claps hand slowly. Btw, less buzzwords pls. It makes you sound like a politician looking for a soundbite.
Also lol at your crazy argument. If fast food can be done at home, the healthy food would be more expensive lol. Try making sense please.
Also lol at being able to live off noodle and sausages at 80 euros a month, but if you spend a little care to cook it instead of microwaving ready meals, it will cost 3 times more? Like wtf? Either youa re seriously delusional (possible?) or you are just trying to cause arguments for the sake of argumenting.
When quoting posts, it works wonders if one reads them first.
Next time...
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Ok, explain to me how does this make sense:
On July 07 2014 23:49 urboss wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 23:29 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Healthy food is far cheaper than fast food and ready meals. If you would also do fast food yourself at home, then healthy food would be much more expensive in comparison. I could comfortably live off noodles and sausages with 80 Euros per month while I need at least 3x as much for healthy food.
Note that I removed buzzwords soundbites for your convenience.
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On July 08 2014 02:25 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Ok, explain to me how does this make sense: Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 23:49 urboss wrote:On July 07 2014 23:29 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Healthy food is far cheaper than fast food and ready meals. If you would also do fast food yourself at home, then healthy food would be much more expensive in comparison. I could comfortably live off noodles and sausages with 80 Euros per month while I need at least 3x as much for healthy food. Note that I removed buzzwords soundbites for your convenience.
It makes sense because you could cook yourself and just cook mountains of pasta and rice and beans and make some crappy sauce for it and that's it. It's very cheap, but not better than fast food.
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On July 08 2014 02:29 Ropid wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 02:25 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Ok, explain to me how does this make sense: On July 07 2014 23:49 urboss wrote:On July 07 2014 23:29 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Healthy food is far cheaper than fast food and ready meals. If you would also do fast food yourself at home, then healthy food would be much more expensive in comparison. I could comfortably live off noodles and sausages with 80 Euros per month while I need at least 3x as much for healthy food. Note that I removed buzzwords soundbites for your convenience. It makes sense because you could cook yourself and just cook mountains of pasta and rice and beans and make some crappy sauce for it and that's it. It's very cheap, but not better than fast food.
Less fat, Less sugar. How's that not better?
I've been looking all over for foodstuffs to cut my consumption of sugar this summer. God, anything _ANYTHING_ that is less than 5% sugar is ridiculously expensive. Discounting, say, plain rice, pasta and porridge.
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And have some variety in the beans and add some fruit and veg and that would be far far healthier than eating snacks, eating fast food, and eating ready meal. And it still would be far cheaper. And is still take the same amount of time as the food you have suggested. But tastier.
Also you yourself said that food would be cheap so tell me, how exactly does that relate to urboss's nonsensical statement?
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Most of you guys are stuck in the mentality where the women should be the one cooking and men can't cook at all.
Well guess what? The most famous and best in the field of gastronomy are 90% men! Men on average, if they try definitely cooks better than women!
So quit bitching about how difficult it is to prepare food, why not cut off 30 minutes of video game playing, forum surfing, instagram posting, facebook updating, Twitter hashtagging, and Game of Throne watching time of your life and go back to the basic of humanity! To be able to cook a balance, healthy, and satisfying meal by your own!
You are all strong and independent men that don't need no women. #yesallmen
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On July 08 2014 03:25 Xiphos wrote:
Most of you guys are stuck in the mentality where the women should be the one cooking and men can't cook at all.
Well guess what? The most famous and best in the field of gastronomy are 90% men! Men on average, if they try definitely cooks better than women!
So quit bitching about how difficult it is to prepare food, why not cut off 30 minutes of video game playing, forum surfing, instagram posting, facebook updating, Twitter hashtagging, and Game of Throne watching time of your life and go back to the basic of humanity! To be able to cook a balance, healthy, and satisfying meal by your own!
You are all strong and independent men that don't need no women. #yesallmen
Wat.
This is slightly off-topic, but lets not pretend that the fact that professional kitchens are male-dominated has anything to do with men being better at cooking (again, wat).
I've seen you post here and there on these boards and you always seem to think your way of life is somehow superior to the people you are arguing with. Whether or not that's what you intend, that method of discussion isn't likely to bring anyone around to your side.
It's a lot more complicated than simply "make 30 minutes of time and you're set!" Eating a well-balanced diet of fresh food takes time and forethought, especially when it is new to you. In addition, if you're not already half-decent at cooking, a lot of time goes into learning, which is great but definitely takes time that some people just don't have or want to spare. Secondly, I see a lot of people making the argument that eating healthy is cheaper because instead of buying a Big Mac (or whatever), you have an apple and a piece of celery (as an example). To me, an apple is a snack and a piece of celery is a piece of garbage. The two together does not a meal make. It is definitely possible to eat healthy, but people do it in different ways, and there are different time and money commitments associated with that. My idea of a healthy dinner is a grilled salmon salad, not white rice and a piece of fruit. Guess which one is more expensive than most fast food?
There is a tremendous upside to fast food that people seem to ignore when they assume that people like destroying their bodies and do it on purpose: it's fucking easy. You suggest going back to the basics of humanity, but we are so far beyond that in our daily responsibilities. People work longer and longer days and have more and more responsibilities at home, and unless they have a lot of time on their hands or are superhuman, there is tremendous appeal to the idea of making a quick stop on your way home, paying some money, and being able to put food on your table as soon as you get home.
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those two world maps posted in OP, can i get a bigger pic of that?
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On July 08 2014 03:08 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
And have some variety in the beans and add some fruit and veg and that would be far far healthier than eating snacks, eating fast food, and eating ready meal. And it still would be far cheaper. And is still take the same amount of time as the food you have suggested. But tastier.
Also you yourself said that food would be cheap so tell me, how exactly does that relate to urboss's nonsensical statement?
I only tried to explain it! I don't really know what opinion I have myself. If you're not convinced, please try to help?
I started with the assumption that it's technically true even if it feels strange. It might be possible to construct a situation that feels realistic to you.
For example a husband and wife cook for their family, but they might skip pretty much all vegetables. They do potatoes every day. Schnitzel is neat as you don't have to buy the best meat and it will still be fine after you hammer it and bread it and drown it in oil. That's for pork, but also for chicken you can still cheapen things up if you bread and deep fry it as you'll add calories so need less meat. Beef is more expensive but you can buy the sort of cut that needs two hours of cooking and does not taste like anything by itself, then use it for roulades and serve with a greasy sauce. If there's not enough money, the couple might replace the meat with beans on most days.
That sound pretty realistic to me and I guess that's what urboss meant. I think the couple and their kids won't have major health issues without any vegetables (other than having an increased chance of being overweight or obese), because potatoes and milk should have nearly all nutrients required. Their food is cheap, they cook it themselves, but it's not better than fastfood.
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On July 08 2014 03:50 ZasZ. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 03:25 Xiphos wrote:
Most of you guys are stuck in the mentality where the women should be the one cooking and men can't cook at all.
Well guess what? The most famous and best in the field of gastronomy are 90% men! Men on average, if they try definitely cooks better than women!
So quit bitching about how difficult it is to prepare food, why not cut off 30 minutes of video game playing, forum surfing, instagram posting, facebook updating, Twitter hashtagging, and Game of Throne watching time of your life and go back to the basic of humanity! To be able to cook a balance, healthy, and satisfying meal by your own!
You are all strong and independent men that don't need no women. #yesallmen Wat. This is slightly off-topic, but lets not pretend that the fact that professional kitchens are male-dominated has anything to do with men being better at cooking (again, wat). I've seen you post here and there on these boards and you always seem to think your way of life is somehow superior to the people you are arguing with. Whether or not that's what you intend, that method of discussion isn't likely to bring anyone around to your side. It's a lot more complicated than simply "make 30 minutes of time and you're set!" Eating a well-balanced diet of fresh food takes time and forethought, especially when it is new to you. In addition, if you're not already half-decent at cooking, a lot of time goes into learning, which is great but definitely takes time that some people just don't have or want to spare. Secondly, I see a lot of people making the argument that eating healthy is cheaper because instead of buying a Big Mac (or whatever), you have an apple and a piece of celery (as an example). To me, an apple is a snack and a piece of celery is a piece of garbage. The two together does not a meal make. It is definitely possible to eat healthy, but people do it in different ways, and there are different time and money commitments associated with that. My idea of a healthy dinner is a grilled salmon salad, not white rice and a piece of fruit. Guess which one is more expensive than most fast food? There is a tremendous upside to fast food that people seem to ignore when they assume that people like destroying their bodies and do it on purpose: it's fucking easy. You suggest going back to the basics of humanity, but we are so far beyond that in our daily responsibilities. People work longer and longer days and have more and more responsibilities at home, and unless they have a lot of time on their hands or are superhuman, there is tremendous appeal to the idea of making a quick stop on your way home, paying some money, and being able to put food on your table as soon as you get home.
Wat
Cost of a big mac meal in USA = ???
Grilled salmon salad = ???
Salmon Fillet approx 1 pound = $5
Salad = $0.5
Some sort of carbohydrate, take your pick = $0.5
$6
Time taken = 10 minutes or less.
Time to wash the dishes = 1 min
Btw that's assuming that you eat enough for 2 large and fat people.
Oh and for your benefit I overpriced everything. This is some good quality food I have chosen for you to eating.
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Former fatass here. I worked my butt off in the gym for the past year or so to get from 220 lb to 180 lb. Then clean bulked to 190 lb with 15% body fat or so. So I look pretty great now. I work in a restaurant kitchen and every day I'm noticing something more apparent; there are more and more fat kids walk around now. The problem I think is just people are not valuing exercise as much as before with the increase in poor foods we eat.
Now it's almost impossible to get the message through that being overweight is not a good thing. There is a thing called "fat acceptance" now. I don't know why people think this movement is acceptable, when there are so many health risks associated with being overweight. Pretty much we are screwed for the next few decades.
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On July 08 2014 03:25 Xiphos wrote:
Most of you guys are stuck in the mentality where the women should be the one cooking and men can't cook at all.
Well guess what? The most famous and best in the field of gastronomy are 90% men! Men on average, if they try definitely cooks better than women!
So quit bitching about how difficult it is to prepare food, why not cut off 30 minutes of video game playing, forum surfing, instagram posting, facebook updating, Twitter hashtagging, and Game of Throne watching time of your life and go back to the basic of humanity! To be able to cook a balance, healthy, and satisfying meal by your own!
You are all strong and independent men that don't need no women. #yesallmen
Ok so no girlfriend, no social time, no internet time, no Game of Throne watching time for the Gods sake... sounds like a terrible life. And for what? To have a few years more of that when you are in your 80ties?
Yes, i'm exaggerating but I hope you see my point.
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On July 08 2014 04:16 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 03:50 ZasZ. wrote:On July 08 2014 03:25 Xiphos wrote:
Most of you guys are stuck in the mentality where the women should be the one cooking and men can't cook at all.
Well guess what? The most famous and best in the field of gastronomy are 90% men! Men on average, if they try definitely cooks better than women!
So quit bitching about how difficult it is to prepare food, why not cut off 30 minutes of video game playing, forum surfing, instagram posting, facebook updating, Twitter hashtagging, and Game of Throne watching time of your life and go back to the basic of humanity! To be able to cook a balance, healthy, and satisfying meal by your own!
You are all strong and independent men that don't need no women. #yesallmen Wat. This is slightly off-topic, but lets not pretend that the fact that professional kitchens are male-dominated has anything to do with men being better at cooking (again, wat). I've seen you post here and there on these boards and you always seem to think your way of life is somehow superior to the people you are arguing with. Whether or not that's what you intend, that method of discussion isn't likely to bring anyone around to your side. It's a lot more complicated than simply "make 30 minutes of time and you're set!" Eating a well-balanced diet of fresh food takes time and forethought, especially when it is new to you. In addition, if you're not already half-decent at cooking, a lot of time goes into learning, which is great but definitely takes time that some people just don't have or want to spare. Secondly, I see a lot of people making the argument that eating healthy is cheaper because instead of buying a Big Mac (or whatever), you have an apple and a piece of celery (as an example). To me, an apple is a snack and a piece of celery is a piece of garbage. The two together does not a meal make. It is definitely possible to eat healthy, but people do it in different ways, and there are different time and money commitments associated with that. My idea of a healthy dinner is a grilled salmon salad, not white rice and a piece of fruit. Guess which one is more expensive than most fast food? There is a tremendous upside to fast food that people seem to ignore when they assume that people like destroying their bodies and do it on purpose: it's fucking easy. You suggest going back to the basics of humanity, but we are so far beyond that in our daily responsibilities. People work longer and longer days and have more and more responsibilities at home, and unless they have a lot of time on their hands or are superhuman, there is tremendous appeal to the idea of making a quick stop on your way home, paying some money, and being able to put food on your table as soon as you get home. Wat Cost of a big mac meal in USA = ??? Grilled salmon salad = ??? Salmon Fillet approx 1 pound = $5 Salad = $0.5 Some sort of carbohydrate, take your pick = $0.5 $6 Time taken = 10 minutes or less. Time to wash the dishes = 1 min Btw that's assuming that you eat enough for 2 large and fat people. Oh and for your benefit I overpriced everything. This is some good quality food I have chosen for you to eating.
Your costs are as arbitrary as your ignorance of food access, which is saying something.
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On July 08 2014 04:22 Cheerio wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 03:25 Xiphos wrote:
Most of you guys are stuck in the mentality where the women should be the one cooking and men can't cook at all.
Well guess what? The most famous and best in the field of gastronomy are 90% men! Men on average, if they try definitely cooks better than women!
So quit bitching about how difficult it is to prepare food, why not cut off 30 minutes of video game playing, forum surfing, instagram posting, facebook updating, Twitter hashtagging, and Game of Throne watching time of your life and go back to the basic of humanity! To be able to cook a balance, healthy, and satisfying meal by your own!
You are all strong and independent men that don't need no women. #yesallmen Ok so no girlfriend, no social time, no internet time, no Game of Throne watching time for the Gods sake... sounds like a terrible life. And for what? To have a few years more of that when you are in your 80ties? Yes, i'm exaggerating but I hope you see my point.
The exageration actually makes your point not very good.
He never said "do none of these", he said to cut some time out. It doesn't have to be a lot, it doesn't even have to be everyday (cook for multiple meals and freeze leftovers for exemple). You can even cook while watching something, I often do that while watching starcraft or some youtube video.
And it's not to get a few more years at the end of your life. It's to live an overall more comfortable one, which could also be longer. I know I feel better when I eat well and exercise, I don't have to wait 80+ to reap the benefits.
I would agree though that the rest of Xiphos' post is garbage and the his tone is, as usual, condescending. But that's off topic.
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The hardest part of eating right for me was planning my shopping list. That was really hard the first few times. After that it just becomes normal like any other thing you do. Prices and time restraints are really a cop out if you go about it the correct way.
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On July 08 2014 03:59 amd098 wrote:
those two world maps posted in OP, can i get a bigger pic of that?
The image is from the original study.
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On July 08 2014 04:17 G3CKO wrote:
Now it's almost impossible to get the message through that being overweight is not a good thing. There is a thing called "fat acceptance" now. I don't know why people think this movement is acceptable, when there are so many health risks associated with being overweight.
Yeah,nothing more enjoyable than a society of presumptuous smart asses that judge each other based on their weaknesses.
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On July 08 2014 03:50 ZasZ. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 03:25 Xiphos wrote:
Most of you guys are stuck in the mentality where the women should be the one cooking and men can't cook at all.
Well guess what? The most famous and best in the field of gastronomy are 90% men! Men on average, if they try definitely cooks better than women!
So quit bitching about how difficult it is to prepare food, why not cut off 30 minutes of video game playing, forum surfing, instagram posting, facebook updating, Twitter hashtagging, and Game of Throne watching time of your life and go back to the basic of humanity! To be able to cook a balance, healthy, and satisfying meal by your own!
You are all strong and independent men that don't need no women. #yesallmen Wat. This is slightly off-topic, but lets not pretend that the fact that professional kitchens are male-dominated has anything to do with men being better at cooking (again, wat). I've seen you post here and there on these boards and you always seem to think your way of life is somehow superior to the people you are arguing with. Whether or not that's what you intend, that method of discussion isn't likely to bring anyone around to your side. It's a lot more complicated than simply "make 30 minutes of time and you're set!" Eating a well-balanced diet of fresh food takes time and forethought, especially when it is new to you. In addition, if you're not already half-decent at cooking, a lot of time goes into learning, which is great but definitely takes time that some people just don't have or want to spare. Secondly, I see a lot of people making the argument that eating healthy is cheaper because instead of buying a Big Mac (or whatever), you have an apple and a piece of celery (as an example). To me, an apple is a snack and a piece of celery is a piece of garbage. The two together does not a meal make. It is definitely possible to eat healthy, but people do it in different ways, and there are different time and money commitments associated with that. My idea of a healthy dinner is a grilled salmon salad, not white rice and a piece of fruit. Guess which one is more expensive than most fast food? There is a tremendous upside to fast food that people seem to ignore when they assume that people like destroying their bodies and do it on purpose: it's fucking easy. You suggest going back to the basics of humanity, but we are so far beyond that in our daily responsibilities. People work longer and longer days and have more and more responsibilities at home, and unless they have a lot of time on their hands or are superhuman, there is tremendous appeal to the idea of making a quick stop on your way home, paying some money, and being able to put food on your table as soon as you get home.
All good points.
However this will help you solve all the problems explained above:
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This thread seems to have turned into a debate of "eating healthy costs too much". When originally, it was about obesity. You don't need to eat "healthier" food to not be obese, you just need to eat LESS food/booze etc. A shit diet where you eat the correct amount of calories for your body is much healthier then a shit diet where you eat way to much so thats a pretty big improvement. Lets get that message across first and then once your eating LESS, eat BETTER.
On the healthy eating front. The human body is amazing, you don't need the perfect balance of foods to have a "healthy" diet. All you need is to eat enough, and get the occasional nutrients from veggies/fruits in addition to whatever else you may eat. Yes fish is very good for you, but you don't NEED fish to have a good diet, find the right balance of things you need that fits your budget and this will work in all but the more extreme poverty cases.
On the preparing front. I'm super lazy, I don't like to cook, I want my meal to be ready and microwaveable. This is a non issue with a tiny bit of foresight. I buy cheap ass chicken or pork and every weekend toss it in the oven over night to slow cook, if I'm feeling fancy or motivated Ill dress it up with a rub or something. I then have ~5lbs of meat to consume the next week as my main source of food thats already ready to go.
TL;DR, eat less and don't over think it.
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On July 08 2014 03:50 ZasZ. wrote:
It's a lot more complicated than simply "make 30 minutes of time and you're set!" Eating a well-balanced diet of fresh food takes time and forethought, especially when it is new to you. In addition, if you're not already half-decent at cooking, a lot of time goes into learning, which is great but definitely takes time that some people just don't have or want to spare. Secondly, I see a lot of people making the argument that eating healthy is cheaper because instead of buying a Big Mac (or whatever), you have an apple and a piece of celery (as an example). To me, an apple is a snack and a piece of celery is a piece of garbage. The two together does not a meal make. It is definitely possible to eat healthy, but people do it in different ways, and there are different time and money commitments associated with that. My idea of a healthy dinner is a grilled salmon salad, not white rice and a piece of fruit. Guess which one is more expensive than most fast food?
It's not what "your idea" of healthy is. Its what is healthy and in your budget that matters.
You not liking healthy food is a completely separate issue. If you just don't like any healthy food, then you either live with that or you change your likes.
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