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On July 24 2013 05:55 sM.Zik wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 05:47 willoc wrote:On July 24 2013 05:46 sM.Zik wrote:Fuck clubbing, festivals and raves is where it's at  ! No, they aren't the same thing. It's worth clarifying though  I'm not sure what you meant by that, but if you want me you describe how they aren't the same thing here it goes : Clubbing (generally) : Drunk sluts and douchebags who only want to find someone for the night. Usually shitty club/boum boum tiss/shake that ass girl music (as I said, generally). Festivals : People who genuinely enjoy the music genre of the said festival, lots of differents activities to do during the day, lots of ways to meet people who share similar interests. Raves is kinda similar to club, but instead of having drunktards and shitty club music you usually have people on mdma with better djs/producer than you would have at club. Also, just like the festivals, people are mostly there to enjoy the music instead of meeting other drunktards douches/sluts. I personally prefer this, but it's just my opinion though.
Festivals (generally) : Drunk sluts and douchebags who only want to find someone for the night and smoke pot and get drunk. Usually shitty wah wah this music is so cool music (as I said, generally).
Clubs: People who genuinely enjoy dancing to the music of the said club, different dancefloors to dance on during the night, no need to have awkward conversations pretending to share similar interests. Raves is kinda similar to club, but instead of having drunktards and shitty club music you usually have people on mdma.
Fixed this for you. Add it to your original post to make a sensible standpoint. No need to hate people or activities. No need to go for categoric imperatives.
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On July 24 2013 06:27 theodorus12 wrote:
How is it a "valid view point" if someone is just spouting prejudices around about something he has no idea of (how would he, if he thinks he doesn't like clubbing and maybe went there 2 times..)? I've been to clubs more like 20 times. Not a lot compared with you, I'm sure, but still enough for me to reach a few conclusions. Be assured that I approached them as an objective anthropologist most times I went there.
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On July 24 2013 06:39 neptunusfisk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 05:55 sM.Zik wrote:On July 24 2013 05:47 willoc wrote:On July 24 2013 05:46 sM.Zik wrote:Fuck clubbing, festivals and raves is where it's at ! No, they aren't the same thing. It's worth clarifying though I'm not sure what you meant by that, but if you want me you describe how they aren't the same thing here it goes : Clubbing (generally) : Drunk sluts and douchebags who only want to find someone for the night. Usually shitty club/boum boum tiss/shake that ass girl music (as I said, generally). Festivals : People who genuinely enjoy the music genre of the said festival, lots of differents activities to do during the day, lots of ways to meet people who share similar interests. Raves is kinda similar to club, but instead of having drunktards and shitty club music you usually have people on mdma with better djs/producer than you would have at club. Also, just like the festivals, people are mostly there to enjoy the music instead of meeting other drunktards douches/sluts. I personally prefer this, but it's just my opinion though. Festivals (generally) : Drunk sluts and douchebags who only want to find someone for the night and smoke pot and get drunk. Usually shitty wah wah this music is so cool music (as I said, generally). Clubs: People who genuinely enjoy dancing to the music of the said club, different dancefloors to dance on during the night, no need to have awkward conversations pretending to share similar interests. Raves is kinda similar to club, but instead of having drunktards and shitty club music you usually have people on mdma. Fixed this for you. Add it to your original post to make a sensible standpoint. No need to hate people or activities. No need to go for categoric imperatives.
lmao, nice attempt but this is wrong is so many ways. I have no idea to which festival and clubs you went, but it sure looks like you live in a parallel universe to mine.
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On July 24 2013 06:42 GreenGringo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 06:27 theodorus12 wrote:
How is it a "valid view point" if someone is just spouting prejudices around about something he has no idea of (how would he, if he thinks he doesn't like clubbing and maybe went there 2 times..)? I've been to clubs more like 20 times. Not a lot compared with you, I'm sure, but still enough for me to reach a few conclusions. Be assured that I approached them as an objective anthropologist most times I went there.
I don't go to clubs often, but when I do I will have fun. It's aso about what you are expecting, you have to take clubs for what they are, which really depends on what kind of club or festival you are going. Ofc there is the generic Jersey shore trash but this is really only a small percentage. Really, there is something out there for every kind of person, so it's just hard to see how you can think EVERY club is just about douchebaggery.
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I think a lot of how much you like clubs is a coorelation to how well you dance and look.
I fucking love em. >.<
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On July 24 2013 06:42 GreenGringo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 06:27 theodorus12 wrote:
How is it a "valid view point" if someone is just spouting prejudices around about something he has no idea of (how would he, if he thinks he doesn't like clubbing and maybe went there 2 times..)? I've been to clubs more like 20 times. Not a lot compared with you, I'm sure, but still enough for me to reach a few conclusions. Be assured that I approached them as an objective anthropologist most times I went there.
Joke of the century. Thanks.
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On July 24 2013 06:37 willoc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 06:24 Lemonhead wrote:When I was in my teens and early twenties, I hated going to clubs or bars. I gave it a shot perhaps 5-10 times but I never liked it. The high music, drunk people, seemingly shallow interactions and relations. I heard arguments like those in this thread, "you have to be more drunk", "you have to flow with the music", "you have to get out of your shell". Years later I read about introverts and extroverts, that there were much fewer introverts in the world, and that much of the workplaces or social places, are designed for extrovert people. When I read that introverts can socialize with people for a few hours, and then need to be alone to "recharge" I knew exactly what the article was talking about. I now believe I'm an introvert, and nothing I do, nothing I change, will make me like clubbing. Some people love it, and are sure that everyone will love it, if they just tried it "for real" or whatever. Others hate it and see zero reason to do it. Trying to make an introvert like clubbing, is like trying to get reality show contestants to like computer programming. I don't believe either is possible. http://giftedkids.about.com/od/glossary/g/introvert.htmhttp://www.ted.com/talks/susan_cain_the_power_of_introverts.html Thanks for the links. Good stuff. Always good to be able to learn the vocab around these things.
There's a good thread here with a ton more links and stuff on introversion.
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On July 24 2013 06:47 theodorus12 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 06:42 GreenGringo wrote:On July 24 2013 06:27 theodorus12 wrote:
How is it a "valid view point" if someone is just spouting prejudices around about something he has no idea of (how would he, if he thinks he doesn't like clubbing and maybe went there 2 times..)? I've been to clubs more like 20 times. Not a lot compared with you, I'm sure, but still enough for me to reach a few conclusions. Be assured that I approached them as an objective anthropologist most times I went there. I don't go to clubs often, but when I do I will have fun. It's aso about what you are expecting, you have to take clubs for what they are, which really depends on what kind of club or festival you are going. Ofc there is the generic Jersey shore trash but this is really only a small percentage. Really, there is something out there for every kind of person, so it's just hard to see how you can think EVERY club is just about douchebaggery. You might have fun, but the reality is that clubs are about men approaching women, not the other way around. It's a fact of zoology that this leads to competition and results essentially in peacock tails being grown.
I don't think this is healthy. I also don't think it's healthy that the culture is moving away from pubs and bars: places where you can have a conversation and build friendships.
Once again, my beef isn't with you: it's with the culture.
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I went to a a lot of clubs around 2006-2008 (I was 18-20)... Didn't go for a few years, but for nearly a year I've been hitting bars, clubs and dancehalls almost every single weekend... Enjoying it way more now. I think my main motivations were:
1: Getting single
2: Going out with friends who love dancing
3: Being a bit more mature
4: Having some more money
5: Having some more sence
...but honestly, I feel #1 and #2 are my two main motivators
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On July 24 2013 06:57 GreenGringo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 06:47 theodorus12 wrote:On July 24 2013 06:42 GreenGringo wrote:On July 24 2013 06:27 theodorus12 wrote:
How is it a "valid view point" if someone is just spouting prejudices around about something he has no idea of (how would he, if he thinks he doesn't like clubbing and maybe went there 2 times..)? I've been to clubs more like 20 times. Not a lot compared with you, I'm sure, but still enough for me to reach a few conclusions. Be assured that I approached them as an objective anthropologist most times I went there. I don't go to clubs often, but when I do I will have fun. It's aso about what you are expecting, you have to take clubs for what they are, which really depends on what kind of club or festival you are going. Ofc there is the generic Jersey shore trash but this is really only a small percentage. Really, there is something out there for every kind of person, so it's just hard to see how you can think EVERY club is just about douchebaggery. You might have fun, but the reality is that clubs are about men approaching women, not the other way around. It's a fact of zoology that this leads to competition and results essentially in peacock tails being grown. I don't think this is healthy. I also don't think it's healthy that the culture is moving away from pubs and bars: places where you can have a conversation and build friendships. Once again, my beef isn't with you: it's with the culture.
Not all people go there to get girls. And if you see this from the point of zoology, tell my again why competition would be bad and unhealthy?
Your 2nd point just isn't true, at least where I live, all the pubs and bars are still completely full every weekend, so I doubt "culture" is shifting away from them.
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On July 24 2013 06:42 GreenGringo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 06:27 theodorus12 wrote:
How is it a "valid view point" if someone is just spouting prejudices around about something he has no idea of (how would he, if he thinks he doesn't like clubbing and maybe went there 2 times..)? I've been to clubs more like 20 times. Not a lot compared with you, I'm sure, but still enough for me to reach a few conclusions. Be assured that I approached them as an objective anthropologist most times I went there.
You've gone out to actual clubs ~20 times? That's a pretty good amount of going to clubs for someone that hates clubs so strongly. I like going to real clubs when I get the chance/ when a sick DJ is playing, but I've definitely not even been to real clubs 10 times let alone 20... It just seems strange that you'd force yourself to do something you dislike 20 times
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On July 24 2013 06:57 Soan wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 06:37 willoc wrote:On July 24 2013 06:24 Lemonhead wrote:When I was in my teens and early twenties, I hated going to clubs or bars. I gave it a shot perhaps 5-10 times but I never liked it. The high music, drunk people, seemingly shallow interactions and relations. I heard arguments like those in this thread, "you have to be more drunk", "you have to flow with the music", "you have to get out of your shell". Years later I read about introverts and extroverts, that there were much fewer introverts in the world, and that much of the workplaces or social places, are designed for extrovert people. When I read that introverts can socialize with people for a few hours, and then need to be alone to "recharge" I knew exactly what the article was talking about. I now believe I'm an introvert, and nothing I do, nothing I change, will make me like clubbing. Some people love it, and are sure that everyone will love it, if they just tried it "for real" or whatever. Others hate it and see zero reason to do it. Trying to make an introvert like clubbing, is like trying to get reality show contestants to like computer programming. I don't believe either is possible. http://giftedkids.about.com/od/glossary/g/introvert.htmhttp://www.ted.com/talks/susan_cain_the_power_of_introverts.html Thanks for the links. Good stuff. Always good to be able to learn the vocab around these things. There's a good thread here with a ton more links and stuff on introversion.
Thanks again. That thread rocks mah socks.
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On July 24 2013 07:05 theodorus12 wrote:
Not all people go there to get girls. And if you see this from the point of zoology, tell my again why competition would be bad and unhealthy? You really need to ask why competition is bad and unhealthy in this context?
I've posted enough for tonight. Maybe somebody else will join the dots for you.
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On July 23 2013 17:28 spkim1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 16:09 Danglars wrote:Inference and conclusion: People who do not like going to clubs have few to no interests in its associating factors i.e. music genre, alcohol, attraction, dance etc. This may be due to their personality or gene, making them avoid the above interests and people associated with such interests. Or, they may simply not have had the opportunity or chance to mingle with such groups (which would make sense because many clubbers are really social and friendly, so no reason to avoid them when approached, really). People who have grown to like clubbing over time have been having growing interest in its associative factors, or have had friends as such and have been slowly or quickly integrated in clubbing community. People who fall in love with clubbing the first time they go are just born that way and are directly comfortable with enjoying its music, atmosphere, people, and related activities.
First off, I agree with your thoughts on dance. People who do not like going to clubs likely have little interest in dancing to that kind of music. However, I can't see your other activities as being logical conclusions to your premise of people liking or not liking clubbing from nature/nurture. - Alcohol. Clubbing is generally expensive with regards to alcohol. It is not true that people who don't go clubbing will have little interest in alcohol. There are a myriad of other ways to have alcohol. This include with friends at a laid back bar and at a sports bar. This also includes the cheap option of buying a 12pack/24pack/30pack or multiple 6 packs and chilling with friends at the evening at the house, possibly with a barbecue, likely with TV or video games. Your conclusion does not logically follow.
- Music Genre. If you like dance music, there's an iPod and even more likely a PC or laptop that will play it in higher quality than any club. Its just the music genre and propensity to dance to it that suggests a clubbing atmosphere.
- Opportunity to try it out. The reverse is also true: some try it out and find the drinks too expensive, the music too loud, and the place too crowded. Even if clubbers around are often social and friendly, not even club scene is the same in an area. So it's definitely there to try it and never fall in love. It does favor the extroverts, I'll hand you that.
- Attraction. I don't think I'll need to elaborate when I say the people that go to clubs are looking to attract a certain type of girl. If that isn't your cup of tea, attraction has nothing to do with your choice to club or not club, it's the type you're attracted to.
What I meant was, perhaps there could be a positive correlation between the number of the factors mentioned above a person likes, and how likely they are going to enjoying clubs. Effectively, the only thing I've done is list up some features that are often present when associated with a night of clubbing i.e. alcohol, dress and fashion, electro/house music, dancing, attraction to opposite gender, physical fitness. I've then associated these with the likelihood of a person who would enjoy club atmosphere. Just imagine a person who likes 'Martin Garrix - Animals' and one who doesn't. Which is more likely to welcome that song in a club ? Of course the former, right ? So who is more likely to have fun there? So yeah, maybe I got the relationship wrong: most people who enjoy clubs enjoy the factors mentioned above, and not vice versa (people who enjoy fashion, drinking, sex, electro/house music, may not necessarily enjoy club atmosphere)
You have said essentially what is the opposite in your second premise.
Premise 2: There must be something different between the two groups of people mentioned above, whether it be nature (born shy/quiet vs outgoing/loud personality, genes, etc.) or nurture (growing new sets of interests associated with clubbing e.g. style/fashion, alcohol, exercise/workout, attraction to opposite (or same) gender, house/electro/R&B music genres, socializing with people with interests similar to those mentioned above)
You say that there is a difference between two groups of people. So I must ask myself if the things you list, namely Club Music, Alcoholic Drinks (I think you have a stronger argument for Mixed Drinks and Shots), Attraction, and Dance are all differences present, some differences present and some not so, a partial subset of differences between the two groups, or none present as differences. It is not possible to say that there's a difference, and then say both groups share these things but one is more a feature of one group than another. Then there is no difference, only a covariance of numerous factors taken together.
People who do not like going to clubs have few to no interests in its associating factors i.e. music genre, alcohol, attraction, dance etc.
If you do not intend to associate the individual factors with the presence of a joy of clubbing, this makes the reader believe that it is exactly what you intend to do. I showed four that are not individually correlated, and where many may be matched but not correlated in my post. Alcohol, Opportunity, and Attraction are definitely matched for someone that enjoys drinks at home and is interested in a relationship, with phone numbers of people he could call if he wanted to go clubbing, or even did it once. It's other unmentioned factors that I touched on that really guide his behavior.
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On July 24 2013 07:11 FallDownMarigold wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 06:42 GreenGringo wrote:On July 24 2013 06:27 theodorus12 wrote:
How is it a "valid view point" if someone is just spouting prejudices around about something he has no idea of (how would he, if he thinks he doesn't like clubbing and maybe went there 2 times..)? I've been to clubs more like 20 times. Not a lot compared with you, I'm sure, but still enough for me to reach a few conclusions. Be assured that I approached them as an objective anthropologist most times I went there. You've gone out to actual clubs ~20 times? That's a pretty good amount of going to clubs for someone that hates clubs so strongly. I like going to real clubs when I get the chance/ when a sick DJ is playing, but I've definitely not even been to real clubs 10 times let alone 20... It just seems strange that you'd force yourself to do something you dislike 20 times Maybe it's a British thing, but here 20 times is nothing. Most students go at least once every week. By the time they're in their late twenties like I am, they've been hundreds of times.
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On July 24 2013 07:38 GreenGringo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 07:11 FallDownMarigold wrote:On July 24 2013 06:42 GreenGringo wrote:On July 24 2013 06:27 theodorus12 wrote:
How is it a "valid view point" if someone is just spouting prejudices around about something he has no idea of (how would he, if he thinks he doesn't like clubbing and maybe went there 2 times..)? I've been to clubs more like 20 times. Not a lot compared with you, I'm sure, but still enough for me to reach a few conclusions. Be assured that I approached them as an objective anthropologist most times I went there. You've gone out to actual clubs ~20 times? That's a pretty good amount of going to clubs for someone that hates clubs so strongly. I like going to real clubs when I get the chance/ when a sick DJ is playing, but I've definitely not even been to real clubs 10 times let alone 20... It just seems strange that you'd force yourself to do something you dislike 20 times Maybe it's a British thing, but here 20 times is nothing. Most students go at least once every week. By the time they're in their late twenties like I am, they've been hundreds of times.
Yeah I don't like clubbing either but I've been probably 50+ times.
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On July 24 2013 07:38 GreenGringo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 07:11 FallDownMarigold wrote:On July 24 2013 06:42 GreenGringo wrote:On July 24 2013 06:27 theodorus12 wrote:
How is it a "valid view point" if someone is just spouting prejudices around about something he has no idea of (how would he, if he thinks he doesn't like clubbing and maybe went there 2 times..)? I've been to clubs more like 20 times. Not a lot compared with you, I'm sure, but still enough for me to reach a few conclusions. Be assured that I approached them as an objective anthropologist most times I went there. You've gone out to actual clubs ~20 times? That's a pretty good amount of going to clubs for someone that hates clubs so strongly. I like going to real clubs when I get the chance/ when a sick DJ is playing, but I've definitely not even been to real clubs 10 times let alone 20... It just seems strange that you'd force yourself to do something you dislike 20 times Maybe it's a British thing, but here 20 times is nothing. Most students go at least once every week. By the time they're in their late twenties like I am, they've been hundreds of times.
Wow! Yeah I'm thinking there may be a bit of misunderstanding among people with regard to the meaning of "clubs" and "clubbing". Here in the US going to a good club might cost you $200-1000 or more depending on your group and how things are split up. 50 times out to the club would put quite a hole in the pockets! Most students here are not doing this on the regular (most go to bars/parties). Just going to bars/pubs is much cheaper of course -- but I understand going to "the club" as going in with a group and getting a table + service and the whole shebang
If someone is just going to a club for the bar and not getting a table/service, yeah it's probably a pretty shitty experience seeing as bars and pubs already exist for that -- might as well not call it clubbing in that case. Seeing a big DJ at a club is fun regardless of table or none and feels more like a packed indoor concert anyway
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On July 24 2013 06:46 sM.Zik wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 06:39 neptunusfisk wrote:On July 24 2013 05:55 sM.Zik wrote:On July 24 2013 05:47 willoc wrote:On July 24 2013 05:46 sM.Zik wrote:Fuck clubbing, festivals and raves is where it's at ! No, they aren't the same thing. It's worth clarifying though I'm not sure what you meant by that, but if you want me you describe how they aren't the same thing here it goes : Clubbing (generally) : Drunk sluts and douchebags who only want to find someone for the night. Usually shitty club/boum boum tiss/shake that ass girl music (as I said, generally). Festivals : People who genuinely enjoy the music genre of the said festival, lots of differents activities to do during the day, lots of ways to meet people who share similar interests. Raves is kinda similar to club, but instead of having drunktards and shitty club music you usually have people on mdma with better djs/producer than you would have at club. Also, just like the festivals, people are mostly there to enjoy the music instead of meeting other drunktards douches/sluts. I personally prefer this, but it's just my opinion though. Festivals (generally) : Drunk sluts and douchebags who only want to find someone for the night and smoke pot and get drunk. Usually shitty wah wah this music is so cool music (as I said, generally). Clubs: People who genuinely enjoy dancing to the music of the said club, different dancefloors to dance on during the night, no need to have awkward conversations pretending to share similar interests. Raves is kinda similar to club, but instead of having drunktards and shitty club music you usually have people on mdma. Fixed this for you. Add it to your original post to make a sensible standpoint. No need to hate people or activities. No need to go for categoric imperatives. lmao, nice attempt but this is wrong is so many ways. I have no idea to which festival and clubs you went, but it sure looks like you live in a parallel universe to mine.
lmao, nice attempt but this is wrong and predjudiced in so many ways. I have no idea to which festival and clubs you went, but it sure looks like you live in a parallel and a tad more smug universe to mine.
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On July 24 2013 07:46 FallDownMarigold wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 07:38 GreenGringo wrote:On July 24 2013 07:11 FallDownMarigold wrote:On July 24 2013 06:42 GreenGringo wrote:On July 24 2013 06:27 theodorus12 wrote:
How is it a "valid view point" if someone is just spouting prejudices around about something he has no idea of (how would he, if he thinks he doesn't like clubbing and maybe went there 2 times..)? I've been to clubs more like 20 times. Not a lot compared with you, I'm sure, but still enough for me to reach a few conclusions. Be assured that I approached them as an objective anthropologist most times I went there. You've gone out to actual clubs ~20 times? That's a pretty good amount of going to clubs for someone that hates clubs so strongly. I like going to real clubs when I get the chance/ when a sick DJ is playing, but I've definitely not even been to real clubs 10 times let alone 20... It just seems strange that you'd force yourself to do something you dislike 20 times Maybe it's a British thing, but here 20 times is nothing. Most students go at least once every week. By the time they're in their late twenties like I am, they've been hundreds of times. Wow! Yeah I'm thinking there may be a bit of misunderstanding among people with regard to the meaning of "clubs" and "clubbing". Here in the US going to a good club might cost you $200-1000 or more depending on your group and how things are split up. 50 times out to the club would put quite a hole in the pockets! Just going to bars/pubs is much cheaper of course -- but I understand going to "the club" as going in with a group and getting a table + service and the whole shebang Hah. Yes, over here that would be equivalent to the most pretentious London club. Over here you're looking at £30 outside London for a night of "clubbing".
Also there's no tables + service :-)
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Ah interesting. I think what you're referring to when you have been talking about clubs is what in the US we call "college bars" aka big wet loud cheap smelly shitshows. Fun, but only if you're blackout. Totally understandable when people hate this environment. If you go to a legit club, say, Hakkasan in Vegas for Eric Prydz live with 10 friends and bottle service, you're looking at an entirely different feel and experience. Incomparable to a college bar mess
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