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On July 24 2013 08:34 Staboteur wrote:
It's fun to see the violent polarity in this thread! You either love it, or hate it.
I'm on the side of the introvert / "antisocial" / fuck clubbing side of the fence. The things communicated and shared in a club environment aren't things I'm interested in and while I can appreciate that other people are all for the things shared in that environment, for me it is a small slice of hell.
...that said, that's in large part because my life so far has better suited an introvert's style. I moved a fuckton of times as a kid and was raised religious (in a manner that applied negative stigmas to drugs/sex/booze/'heathens') that stuck around long enough to phase me past the age where it was easy to get inundated into club culture, and leave me afterwards not looking for or associating often with people who participate in that lifestyle anymore.
On one hand, it feels like something I missed out on... but on the other hand, I don't think I'm any worse off for it.
This. I'm also surprised, especially since I went from not enjoying clubs to loving them myself, I guess it kind of gives me multiple perspectives on the subject, hopefully a better understanding for both poles/parties.
On another note, I've noticed there was growing talk about introversion and extroversion in relation to clubbing, and I thought I might add my two cents on this one.
I used to be, throughout middle-to-high-school, a really quiet, shy guy who played a lot of video games and read Japanese manga, and had few interests in physical exercise and fashion. I also used to be a drumming enthusiast and played in rock bands, and had zero fondness for club-like environments. Instead, my interests lied in musical instruments, stage performance, and games.
It was only once I entered university in North America, after having being honorably discharged from the Swiss army, that my perspectives began shifting, and my previously quasi-dead interests in alcohol, fashion and clothing, as well as physical exercise and new music genre took off. This may or may not be due to the radical change in environment I went through (from Europe to NA, from living with family to living by myself, and a total change in friends and acquaintances). Anyhow, I rapidly grew a strong liking to electro/house, stylish fashion, bodybuilding and working out, and tanking bottle after bottle of alcohol with friends at parties. Fondness of clubbing soon followed suit
So if I follow your argument, would that somehow make me an actual extrovert, whose extroversive features have somehow been suppressed by my surroundings until I began to live by myself? Or perhaps, could I be an introvert who somehow grew a liking to extroversive activities? I'm not sure how you would interpret my case, but I'm sure there are lots of kids like me out there who used to be shy and quiet, and began to change as something in their environment changed. Perhaps people's "natures" and personalities change over time as well?
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On July 24 2013 11:48 spkim1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 08:34 Staboteur wrote:
It's fun to see the violent polarity in this thread! You either love it, or hate it.
I'm on the side of the introvert / "antisocial" / fuck clubbing side of the fence. The things communicated and shared in a club environment aren't things I'm interested in and while I can appreciate that other people are all for the things shared in that environment, for me it is a small slice of hell.
...that said, that's in large part because my life so far has better suited an introvert's style. I moved a fuckton of times as a kid and was raised religious (in a manner that applied negative stigmas to drugs/sex/booze/'heathens') that stuck around long enough to phase me past the age where it was easy to get inundated into club culture, and leave me afterwards not looking for or associating often with people who participate in that lifestyle anymore.
On one hand, it feels like something I missed out on... but on the other hand, I don't think I'm any worse off for it. This. I'm also surprised, especially since I went from not enjoying clubs to loving them myself, I guess it kind of gives me multiple perspectives on the subject, hopefully a better understanding for both poles/parties. On another note, I've noticed there was growing talk about introversion and extroversion in relation to clubbing, and I thought I might add my two cents on this one. I used to be, throughout middle-to-high-school, a really quiet, shy guy who played a lot of video games and read Japanese manga, and had few interests in physical exercise and fashion. I also used to be a drumming enthusiast and played in rock bands, and had zero fondness for club-like environments. Instead, my interests lied in musical instruments, stage performance, and games. It was only once I entered university in North America, after having being honorably discharged from the Swiss army, that my perspectives began shifting, and my previously quasi-dead interests in alcohol, fashion and clothing, as well as physical exercise and new music genre took off. This may or may not be due to the radical change in environment I went through (from Europe to NA, from living with family to living by myself, and a total change in friends and acquaintances). Anyhow, I rapidly grew a strong liking to electro/house, stylish fashion, bodybuilding and working out, and tanking bottle after bottle of alcohol with friends at parties. Fondness of clubbing soon followed suit So if I follow your argument, would that somehow make me an actual extrovert, whose extroversive features have somehow been suppressed by my surroundings until I began to live by myself? Or perhaps, could I be an introvert who somehow grew a liking to extroversive activities? I'm not sure how you would interpret my case, but I'm sure there are lots of kids like me out there who used to be shy and quiet, and began to change as something in their environment changed. Perhaps people's "natures" and personalities change over time as well?
I would say you are more extroverted. That whole dynamic is about how you react to social energy not that you like computers vs. parties. I think a lot of people have experiences like you where they just did their own thing in their early years(high school) and I don't consider that introverted behavior. I get kind of annoyed honestly when people are like "ya I was an introvert back in high school but then I went to college and found beer!". You weren't an introvert in high school, you were just too dumb to find a scene or group of people who you felt like dealing out your social capitol with. The "you" was 3rd person, not directed at the above poster.
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I am very extroverted and I still do not like "clubbing" (what an awful word). I do it occasionally as my social bonds require me to do so. Dancing and all of that is not that bad, but really if I want to dance I can do that at home as well with music that I can choose in the volume I like with good air and people I like etc.etc.etc. For me, going to a club has not a single USP.
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I spent the best clubbing years of my life in front of a computer learning skills that have since landed me a dream job on national television. Even so, I fear I might've missed out on some really important and awesome stuff.
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On July 24 2013 11:48 spkim1 wrote:So if I follow your argument, would that somehow make me an actual extrovert, whose extroversive features have somehow been suppressed by my surroundings until I began to live by myself? Or perhaps, could I be an introvert who somehow grew a liking to extroversive activities? I'm not sure how you would interpret my case, but I'm sure there are lots of kids like me out there who used to be shy and quiet, and began to change as something in their environment changed. Perhaps people's "natures" and personalities change over time as well? Yes, there's no doubt personalities are malleable and can change over time. Nothing's biologically determined about this.
Usually though to change as significantly as you have, some serious effort is required or at least a fundamental shift in environment (or possibly both).
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Much prefer pubs / bars / parties to clubbing, i can actually talk to people there :3
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On July 24 2013 10:04 GreenGringo wrote:
... Contrary to popular belief, it's not just because it's harder to make progress now that there were more breakthroughs in the 50s. They were far more theoretically inclined. As one example, the Hodgkin–Huxley model mathematical theory of neurons from the 50s makes today's climate of merely quoting the results of MRI scans look pretty childish. I could go on. You're not talking about a bunch of Troglodyte bigots who think women should be punched, but a highly advanced society that invented the transistor (based on the relativistic quantum mechanics of semiconductors) and with it modern electronics, developed computers, and made all kinds of groundbreaking discoveries. ...
Hi Green Gringo.
I appreciate your ability to discuss things without emotion involvement. And thanks for sharing your opinions. But I don't agree with what you said here. How can you measure society development by progress of science? Science community and the rest of people are much unconnected methinks. To exaggerate, average people are idiots.
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Wait... People go outside? holy sh
I used to go clubbing long time ago, don't do it very often now. And I much rather just go to some pub and chat with some friends there instead.
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Like most of you, my friends and I used to go "clubbing" very frequently between the ages of 18 to about..22? I'd say? But just as many have pointed out, it's not cheap, you generally will get very bad music, and you aren't there to socialize with others so much. Plus someone will likely throw up, you'll be walking in the cold from one venue to the next, and yeah...so in the end we have turned to house parties, which we have quite frequently, at which we can drink a lot more for a fair bit less ($), play music we like, and at the same time also socialize more.
That being said, we went out on a Saturday about a month ago (albeit reluctantly), and had a pretty excellent time. No thanks to the other people there, really. But I'm sure it depends on what you go out for. Pub crawls have in my experience also been really fun for meeting people, despite the loud music.
But yes, nowadays we'll go to clubs very infrequently. House parties are where it's at, and otherwise we might all go out for dinner, then go to a pub or a cocktail bar, and then head to whoever's place is available and has alcohol/whatever we would like set up.
On a related note, I think that a number of significant factors such as personality traits, geography, habits, and the company you keep likely determine your experiences, and what you took away from them. For one, I think if you have a partner, you might enjoy it less, particularly if the partner in question is also present. But for some, it's quite the opposite. So eh.
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On July 24 2013 18:12 Amanebak wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 10:04 GreenGringo wrote:
... Contrary to popular belief, it's not just because it's harder to make progress now that there were more breakthroughs in the 50s. They were far more theoretically inclined. As one example, the Hodgkin–Huxley model mathematical theory of neurons from the 50s makes today's climate of merely quoting the results of MRI scans look pretty childish. I could go on. You're not talking about a bunch of Troglodyte bigots who think women should be punched, but a highly advanced society that invented the transistor (based on the relativistic quantum mechanics of semiconductors) and with it modern electronics, developed computers, and made all kinds of groundbreaking discoveries. ...
Hi Green Gringo. I appreciate your ability to discuss things without emotion involvement. And thanks for sharing your opinions. But I don't agree with what you said here. How can you measure society development by progress of science? Science community and the rest of people are much unconnected methinks. To exaggerate, average people are idiots. I wasn't doing that. I was just giving an example of one way in which I feel the 50s was better that I've researched in depth and think is pretty interesting. Their creative achievements in science and technology put ours to shame. (And all the more so if we're talking about the West, which is rapidly losing its leadership.) IF a society is more advanced in something as high-level as their capacity for breakthroughs in fundamental science, it seems pretty likely that they're also more advanced in other ways.
I'm not saying the 50s was better; just that it was better in some aspects. Painting them as barbarians simply doesn't hold water.
More relevant would have been to quote statistics about wealth inequality, crime and unemployment (they were all lower in the 50s).
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I like clubbing, but in order to do that I have to:
- get a haircut and shave
- wear nice clothes
- be physically fit
- have a minimum of 100$.
- have a positive attitude.
its too much for me 
I better buy couple of beers, watch some stream/movie or read a book. Or just get laid.
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I go out every weekend Friday and Saturday. You don't have to spend any money honestly. Just wear nice enough clothes to get into the club and go somewhere where you don't have to pay a cover. Buy zero drinks and if you really want a drink hang around some dude who thinks that hes the shit who's in a drunken benevolent mood and he will probably throw a few drinks your way if you tell him that he's cool.
I go with my friends to meet women. It's not something I was originally good at (very far from it) but after a few months of desensitizing myself to the loud chaotic club and the bullshit that women will throw at you... glory became a normal occurrence. Being able to do it all completely sober is also a huge bonus.
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Korea is an excellent place to go clubbing with friends. The thing I don't like is that the music is so god dam loud, but everything besides that is fun for me!
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How do people pick up girls up clubs when the music is so loud you can't have conversation? Is it all body language?
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On July 24 2013 20:26 tomatriedes wrote:
How do people pick up girls up clubs when the music is so loud you can't have conversation? Is it all body language?
You look into her eyes, she looks into yours. If neither of you can't stop staring into each other's eyes, then it's clear.
I guess... :D
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On July 24 2013 10:49 GreenGringo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 10:42 FallDownMarigold wrote:On July 24 2013 10:04 GreenGringo wrote:
Contrary to popular belief, it's not just because it's harder to make progress now that there were more breakthroughs in the 50s. They were far more theoretically inclined. As one example, the Hodgkin–Huxley model mathematical theory of neurons from the 50s makes today's climate of merely quoting the results of MRI scans look pretty childish. I could go on. hate to take the off topic bait, but really, it is pretty absurd to suggest that current science progress is less "theoretically inclined" (whatever that means) vs. science progress in the 50s. Hodgkin, Huxley, Cajal, etc., definitely did cool and really important things for neuroscience -- but they weren't the last ones. Since the days of those guys neuroscience research has expanded so much that it now actually produces more papers annually than biochem, molecular bio, or cell bio. There are still incredible findings being made today, that go beyond "reporting MRI results". You definitely should not use science progress/thinking as a way to illustrate how the 50s was better. Give a single piece of work that was remotely as groundbreaking as the Hodgkin-Huxley model. For that matter...give a single theoretical piece of work in neuroscience from the last two decades. You'll either get some verbal handwaving or a neural net that's so specific that it can't possibly be fundamental in the field. As I said, I've studied this and plenty of scientists and historians of science would agree. To wave it off as "absurd" before you even have time to dignify it is pretty insulting.
Umm...so because of the Hodgkin-Huxley model, we can paint the entire scientific community as being basically shitty compared to the 1950's in terms of theoretical inclination? What the fuck? I'm not hating on the 1950's-era scientific community; they discovered some incredible things. But I don't think any generation has a monopoly on important scientific discoveries, tbh. I mean, the most groundbreaking discoveries in any field, for the point of view influence, are usually the very first discoveries. Just think about how confused physics and mathematics were before Leibniz/Newton. It's not that people after them weren't creative, but that the wheel had already been invented, so it didn't need to be invented again.
I'm not really studied in neuroscience, and my argument was never to paint every aspect of the 1950's as being amazing (just their values being rather mediocre in terms of grounding) but I'm pretty sure if you look at astrophysics, computing, cosmology, and genetics, we've made massive strides since the 1950's.
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On July 23 2013 12:23 spkim1 wrote:
Inference and conclusion: People who do not like going to clubs have few to no interests in its associating factors i.e. music genre, alcohol, attraction, dance etc.
This is False. As many have stated in this thread, people can love music of all kinds, alcohol, attraction, dance, etc. and hate clubbing. Be it music volume, prices (clubs are often total rip offs) or even clubbers themselves (yay I wear colourful glasses in a room where I can't even see my own feet it's so fuckin dark), there are other reasons that stop people from going clubbing
On July 23 2013 12:23 spkim1 wrote:
People who have grown to like clubbing over time have been having growing interest in its associative factors, or have had friends as such and have been slowly or quickly integrated in clubbing community. People who fall in love with clubbing the first time they go are just born that way and are directly comfortable with enjoying its music, atmosphere, people, and related activities.
I agree partially with this even though It's a bit simplistic and kind of applies to anyting in life ("Someone who falls in love with soccer the first time they play are just born that way and are directly comfortable with enjoying its music, atmosphere, people, and related activities").
But I agree with the first part.
On my side, I tend to avoid clubs nowadays, because a) I'm not single b) I hate commercial music c) If it's not commercial music playing, then there is a very high chance of me going on a rampage, doing a large quantity of drugs and alcohol finishing with a complete blackout and waking up on the sidewalk with half of my shit missing and a large number of bruises. I'm trying to live a healthier life thank you very much.
I gotta admit though I'll still get my act together if the DJ/ Sound System is right, the friends are motivated, and it's friday night (Yeah 27 years old here, I get 2 day hangovers AT LEAST nowadays :D )
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I find that the clubbing experience varies drastically depending on the type of music played at the venue.
A night out at a place playing trance or drum and bass, where everyone is fucked up on ecstacy and just dance and hug each other is vastly different to an RnB/top 40 place where everyone wants to fight you for accidentally bumping into them. And rock/metal clubs are the rowdiest but possibly also the friendliest.
Likewise, the people at more niche music places (like the dnb gigs i go to) are all totally into it, where as at more popular joints lots of people are just there cos their friends went and it's much more about picking up.
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I quite frankly resent clubbing for one of those very reasons, I like drinking.
You can't drink in a bloody club:
a) It's expensive as fuck to buy a drink.
b) It's literally to crowded to be able to comfortably smoke anywhere else than at a table and sometimes you can't even find a bloody table and the only means of smoking "accepted" in most clubs are cigarettes, which I do not mind but I also do not prefer if I have to chose between them and a pipe, a hookah or just rolling my own cigars than and there.
c) More so than in other places, the drinks available are generally shit and expensive shit, this might come from the fact that my tastes in beer and spirits generally differ from most people in my region.
d) You are supposed to, more or less, dance. Which is an activity that requires quite a lot of physical effort, concentration and coordination compared to walking or sitting, which are the things I generally do when drunk.
e) You are supposed to communicate with other people by screaming short sentences over the loud music or groping them.
I don't know about you, but most people I know including myself, when drunk, are not able to talk very clearly and like to discuss surprisingly more personal, delicate and intellectual matter than when sober
I do not know why one would associate clubs with drinking but if you do so you are terribly wrong.
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I enjoy drinking and I enjoy clubbing, but I am staying away from both, because I know that with addicting personality I might hurt my career/school...
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