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On July 24 2013 05:47 willoc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 05:46 sM.Zik wrote:Fuck clubbing, festivals and raves is where it's at  ! No, they aren't the same thing. It's worth clarifying though 
I'm not sure what you meant by that, but if you want me you describe how they aren't the same thing here it goes :
Clubbing (generally) : Drunk sluts and douchebags who only want to find someone for the night. Usually shitty club/boum boum tiss/shake that ass girl music (as I said, generally).
Festivals : People who genuinely enjoy the music genre of the said festival, lots of differents activities to do during the day, lots of ways to meet people who share similar interests. Raves is kinda similar to club, but instead of having drunktards and shitty club music you usually have people on mdma with better djs/producer than you would have at club. Also, just like the festivals, people are mostly there to enjoy the music instead of meeting other drunktards douches/sluts. I personally prefer this, but it's just my opinion though.
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On July 23 2013 12:36 Mallidon wrote:
I'm quite outgoing when I want to be and I love my booze, but I hate clubbing.
Partly because holy shit... I can't hear a thing and nobody can hear me. It's like the natural habitat of people who either never listen to each other anyway or can lip read wtf...
Much prefer pubs, musicy places with areas you can dance in and areas you can chat in (live music places etc) tbh.
So basically your 'inference and conclusion' being that I have few interests in music (not true, love music) alcohol (nope, love it) dancing (you should see my skillz yo, terribad but I love it when I get going) and all that kinda stuff are not true for me. I just prefer places I can bloody communicate with people. It seems clubs/ clubbing is where you go when you cba with all the 'proper' social aspects like talking and getting to know people and just want to latch onto people and stare at them all night while dancing, because you have nowt in common and can't hold a conversation.
Stop looking in my brain and writing down my thoughts.
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What I didn't like about the OP was that it felt like it was trying to sound polite, but ultimately just wanted to express his opinion which is something like "how dare some people not enjoy that kind of activity!".
I don't know if I'm a snob or something, but the music played in clubs to me is frankly fucking terrible (I skimmed over the thread and saw someone call it "braindead", that fits really well), the activity itself shallow and.. Tribal is the best word I can find with my limited vocabulary, I guess.
I would imagine myself enjoying it if I'm intoxicated in some fashion, but then again, you can enjoy anything when you're in that kind of state as you're neutering your ability to think rationally via substances which alter your brain. Some people wrote some great idealistic descriptions about the experience like losing yourself in the music, being a part of this like-minded crowd, interacting with strangers and having random fun conversations, care-free environment where no one judges anyone etc. and that honestly seems seems like a great experience if you're into that kind of stuff.
However, I just feel like majority of that kind of culture is just a primitive ritual of getting drunk (drugged), finding a member of opposite sex to satisfy a hormonal desire (grinding/making out with no strings attached, possibly having a one night stand etc.) and then rationalizing that what you're doing is meaningful.
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On July 24 2013 05:55 sM.Zik wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 05:47 willoc wrote:On July 24 2013 05:46 sM.Zik wrote:Fuck clubbing, festivals and raves is where it's at ! No, they aren't the same thing. It's worth clarifying though I'm not sure what you meant by that, but if you want me you describe how they aren't the same thing here it goes : Clubbing (generally) : Drunk sluts and douchebags who only want to find someone for the night. Usually shitty club/boum boum tiss/shake that ass girl music (as I said, generally). Festivals : People who genuinely enjoy the music genre of the said festival, lots of differents activities to do during the day, lots of ways to meet people who share similar interests. Raves is kinda similar to club, but instead of having drunktards and shitty club music you usually have people on mdma with better djs/producer than you would have at club. Also, just like the festivals, people are mostly there to enjoy the music instead of meeting other drunktards douches/sluts. I personally prefer this, but it's just my opinion though.
Agreed. Wasn't asking for an explanation from you but just saying that it is important to recognise the distinction between the two
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On July 24 2013 05:57 MidKnight wrote:
Some people wrote some great idealistic descriptions about the experience like losing yourself in the music, being a part of this like-minded crowd, interacting with strangers and having random fun conversations, care-free environment where no one judges anyone etc. and that honestly seems seems like a great experience if you're into that kind of stuff..
Totally agreed and I'm glad people made those comments. The 'clubs' I was thinking of are pretty much the opposite though. People instantly judge you on what you are wearing. People don't care about the music and the environment is definitely not care-free.
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On July 24 2013 05:57 MidKnight wrote:However, I just feel like majority of that kind of culture is just a primitive ritual of getting drunk (drugged), finding a member of opposite sex to satisfy a hormonal desire (grinding/making out with no strings attached, possibly having a one night stand etc.) and then rationalizing that what you're doing is meaningful. It's even worse than that due the element of competitiveness associated with it.
Wasting your time on instant gratification is one thing. What's so appalling about the modern club culture is that it essentially boils down to a competition in douchebagginess. Guys are rewarded for pouring all their time into looking trendy. They're also rewarded for being extrovert and overconfident and aggressive. And apparently even for looking wealthy in many cases (I'm told a guaranteed way to get laid in London is to feign the appearance and mannerisms of a City banker).
We're left with materialism, shallowness, decadence, atomized relations, and a glorification of overt displays of "social aggression".
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I've always viewed clubs as an unofficial place for singles to go and drink and try to hook up. The atmosphere is usually pretty stressful/loud/annoying. Most everyone knows why they're there, and it promotes this almost socially hostile vibe as everyone is competing with each other (maybe a little over exaggerated, but the general idea is true).
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On July 24 2013 05:59 willoc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 05:55 sM.Zik wrote:On July 24 2013 05:47 willoc wrote:On July 24 2013 05:46 sM.Zik wrote:Fuck clubbing, festivals and raves is where it's at ! No, they aren't the same thing. It's worth clarifying though I'm not sure what you meant by that, but if you want me you describe how they aren't the same thing here it goes : Clubbing (generally) : Drunk sluts and douchebags who only want to find someone for the night. Usually shitty club/boum boum tiss/shake that ass girl music (as I said, generally). Festivals : People who genuinely enjoy the music genre of the said festival, lots of differents activities to do during the day, lots of ways to meet people who share similar interests. Raves is kinda similar to club, but instead of having drunktards and shitty club music you usually have people on mdma with better djs/producer than you would have at club. Also, just like the festivals, people are mostly there to enjoy the music instead of meeting other drunktards douches/sluts. I personally prefer this, but it's just my opinion though. Agreed. Wasn't asking for an explanation from you but just saying that it is important to recognise the distinction between the two
Oh yeah, most definitely. I'm sure quite a lot of people think they're all the same.
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On July 24 2013 06:09 GreenGringo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 05:57 MidKnight wrote:However, I just feel like majority of that kind of culture is just a primitive ritual of getting drunk (drugged), finding a member of opposite sex to satisfy a hormonal desire (grinding/making out with no strings attached, possibly having a one night stand etc.) and then rationalizing that what you're doing is meaningful. It's even worse than that due the element of competitiveness associated with it. Wasting your time on instant gratification is one thing. What's so appalling about the modern club culture is that it essentially boils down to a competition in douchebagginess. Guys are rewarded for pouring all their time into looking trendy. They're also rewarded for being extrovert and overconfident and aggressive. And apparently even for looking wealthy in many cases (I'm told a guaranteed way to get laid in London is to feign the appearance of a City banker). We're left with materialism, shallowness, decadence, atomized relations, and a glorification of overt displays of "social aggression".
I hate to say stuff like that, but you seem just mad. Maybe because you didn't like your 1. year at uni when all the other people were clubbing and you not. Or why else would you take your time to write all that total nonsense?
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On July 24 2013 06:13 theodorus12 wrote:
I hate to say stuff like that, but you seem just mad. Maybe because you didn't like your 1. year at uni when all the other people were clubbing and you not. Or why else would you take your time to write all that total nonsense? And why would you take your time to write all that total nonsense in favour of the club scene?
I didn't like it in my freshman year because I thought it was dumb. Not because I'm unattractive and lack social skills or whatever. I thought the same then that I think now.
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On July 24 2013 06:16 GreenGringo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 06:13 theodorus12 wrote:
I hate to say stuff like that, but you seem just mad. Maybe because you didn't like your 1. year at uni when all the other people were clubbing and you not. Or why else would you take your time to write all that total nonsense? And why would you take your time to write all that total nonsense in favour of the club scene? I didn't like it in my freshman year because I thought it was dumb. Not because I'm unattractive and lack social skills or whatever. I thought the same then that I think now.
See, that passive-aggressiveness is exactly what proves me right. There is no point in arguing with someone who is so emotionally involved in a subject.
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On July 24 2013 05:38 GreenGringo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 05:30 Shiori wrote:On July 24 2013 05:25 GreenGringo wrote:On July 24 2013 04:50 Shiori wrote:It's just something they go out and do on a Friday night. Why that's so reprehensible is beyond me. Come on. The average 18 to 24 year-old, their entire lives are built around that shit. Even if they do go only once a week, their entire social lives hinge on it. Writing it off as just something they do on a Friday night is disingenuous. When I was at uni, you basically either went to clubs or you were a social outcast. I'm not sure what uni you went to, but there are plenty of social activities you can do in this day and age aside from clubbing: go see a band, go on a trip, have a house party, watch a sports game, go to a pub, etc. I was fortunate enough in my second and third years to live with people that shared some of my interests. And of course when you're already friends with someone, there's a ton of stuff to do. In my first year, I wasn't so lucky, and there was simply no common activity in the dorm except clubbing. Everyone I know who wasn't into clubbing reports a similar experience: either they made friends based on common interests, or they became isolated.
Weird...people either made friends with common interests and some didn't. This is not the clubs' fault. Some of those groups of friends like to go clubbing. Your group of friends didn't. You lived with them and had a nice time not clubbing. That's what people do. Hang out with people they like and do things they like.
On July 24 2013 06:09 GreenGringo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 05:57 MidKnight wrote:However, I just feel like majority of that kind of culture is just a primitive ritual of getting drunk (drugged), finding a member of opposite sex to satisfy a hormonal desire (grinding/making out with no strings attached, possibly having a one night stand etc.) and then rationalizing that what you're doing is meaningful. It's even worse than that due the element of competitiveness associated with it. Wasting your time on instant gratification is one thing. What's so appalling about the modern club culture is that it essentially boils down to a competition in douchebagginess. Guys are rewarded for pouring all their time into looking trendy. They're also rewarded for being extrovert and overconfident and aggressive. And apparently even for looking wealthy in many cases (I'm told a guaranteed way to get laid in London is to feign the appearance and mannerisms of a City banker). We're left with materialism, shallowness, decadence, atomized relations, and a glorification of overt displays of "social aggression".
I think you've watched way too much jersey shore. Yeah some clubs have douche bags that go to it but that's not the ONLY people that go there. This is true with pretty much ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD.
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On July 24 2013 06:13 theodorus12 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 06:09 GreenGringo wrote:On July 24 2013 05:57 MidKnight wrote:However, I just feel like majority of that kind of culture is just a primitive ritual of getting drunk (drugged), finding a member of opposite sex to satisfy a hormonal desire (grinding/making out with no strings attached, possibly having a one night stand etc.) and then rationalizing that what you're doing is meaningful. It's even worse than that due the element of competitiveness associated with it. Wasting your time on instant gratification is one thing. What's so appalling about the modern club culture is that it essentially boils down to a competition in douchebagginess. Guys are rewarded for pouring all their time into looking trendy. They're also rewarded for being extrovert and overconfident and aggressive. And apparently even for looking wealthy in many cases (I'm told a guaranteed way to get laid in London is to feign the appearance of a City banker). We're left with materialism, shallowness, decadence, atomized relations, and a glorification of overt displays of "social aggression". I hate to say stuff like that, but you seem just mad. Maybe because you didn't like your 1. year at uni when all the other people were clubbing and you not. Or why else would you take your time to write all that total nonsense?
Please stop the strawman. What he wrote was comprehensible and a valid view point.
Personally, I spent 6+ years of my life going to clubs/festivals/raves/bars/pubs/events from my beginings sneaking into clubs when I was 17 (and still underage) to just before graduating from University. There is a large range of these types of music-related events. Most of them are pretty damn cool. Some are not. GreenGringo is talking about the generic club you can find in most major cities (current pop-music only, gold-diggers, women with no clothing standing in line during snow so they can still be 'sexy', douchebags with visors and sock/sandal combos, Usually in the news about the latest rape/gun-fire/alcohol abuse incidents). Maybe it is you who hasn't experienced those?
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When I was in my teens and early twenties, I hated going to clubs or bars. I gave it a shot perhaps 5-10 times but I never liked it. The high music, drunk people, seemingly shallow interactions and relations. I heard arguments like those in this thread, "you have to be more drunk", "you have to flow with the music", "you have to get out of your shell".
Years later I read about introverts and extroverts, that there were much fewer introverts in the world, and that much of the workplaces or social places, are designed for extrovert people. When I read that introverts can socialize with people for a few hours, and then need to be alone to "recharge" I knew exactly what the article was talking about.
I now believe I'm an introvert, and nothing I do, nothing I change, will make me like clubbing. Some people love it, and are sure that everyone will love it, if they just tried it "for real" or whatever. Others hate it and see zero reason to do it.
Trying to make an introvert like clubbing, is like trying to get reality show contestants to like computer programming. I don't believe either is possible.
http://giftedkids.about.com/od/glossary/g/introvert.htm
http://www.ted.com/talks/susan_cain_the_power_of_introverts.html
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On July 24 2013 06:20 willoc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 06:13 theodorus12 wrote:On July 24 2013 06:09 GreenGringo wrote:On July 24 2013 05:57 MidKnight wrote:However, I just feel like majority of that kind of culture is just a primitive ritual of getting drunk (drugged), finding a member of opposite sex to satisfy a hormonal desire (grinding/making out with no strings attached, possibly having a one night stand etc.) and then rationalizing that what you're doing is meaningful. It's even worse than that due the element of competitiveness associated with it. Wasting your time on instant gratification is one thing. What's so appalling about the modern club culture is that it essentially boils down to a competition in douchebagginess. Guys are rewarded for pouring all their time into looking trendy. They're also rewarded for being extrovert and overconfident and aggressive. And apparently even for looking wealthy in many cases (I'm told a guaranteed way to get laid in London is to feign the appearance of a City banker). We're left with materialism, shallowness, decadence, atomized relations, and a glorification of overt displays of "social aggression". I hate to say stuff like that, but you seem just mad. Maybe because you didn't like your 1. year at uni when all the other people were clubbing and you not. Or why else would you take your time to write all that total nonsense? Please stop the strawman. What he wrote was comprehensible and a valid view point.
How is it a "valid view point" if someone is just spouting prejudices around about something he has no idea of (how would he, if he thinks he doesn't like clubbing and maybe went there 2 times..)?
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On July 24 2013 06:20 willoc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 06:13 theodorus12 wrote:On July 24 2013 06:09 GreenGringo wrote:On July 24 2013 05:57 MidKnight wrote:However, I just feel like majority of that kind of culture is just a primitive ritual of getting drunk (drugged), finding a member of opposite sex to satisfy a hormonal desire (grinding/making out with no strings attached, possibly having a one night stand etc.) and then rationalizing that what you're doing is meaningful. It's even worse than that due the element of competitiveness associated with it. Wasting your time on instant gratification is one thing. What's so appalling about the modern club culture is that it essentially boils down to a competition in douchebagginess. Guys are rewarded for pouring all their time into looking trendy. They're also rewarded for being extrovert and overconfident and aggressive. And apparently even for looking wealthy in many cases (I'm told a guaranteed way to get laid in London is to feign the appearance of a City banker). We're left with materialism, shallowness, decadence, atomized relations, and a glorification of overt displays of "social aggression". I hate to say stuff like that, but you seem just mad. Maybe because you didn't like your 1. year at uni when all the other people were clubbing and you not. Or why else would you take your time to write all that total nonsense? Please stop the strawman. What he wrote was comprehensible and a valid view point. Personally, I spent 6+ years of my life going to clubs/festivals/raves/bars/pubs/events from my beginings sneaking into clubs when I was 17 (and still underage) to just before graduating from University. There is a large range of these types of music-related events. Most of them are pretty damn cool. Some are not. GreenGringo is talking about the generic club you can find in most major cities (current pop-music only, gold-diggers, women with no clothing standing in line during snow so they can still be 'sexy', douchebags with visors and sock/sandal combos, Usually in the news about the latest rape/gun-fire/alcohol abuse incidents). Maybe it is you who hasn't experienced those?
I don't think anyone here is defending or enjoys those places.
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i like it when its good loud music, going out with friends to enjoy.
i dont like the go to a trashy pop club to find a drunk chick to fuck
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On July 24 2013 06:27 theodorus12 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 06:20 willoc wrote:On July 24 2013 06:13 theodorus12 wrote:On July 24 2013 06:09 GreenGringo wrote:On July 24 2013 05:57 MidKnight wrote:However, I just feel like majority of that kind of culture is just a primitive ritual of getting drunk (drugged), finding a member of opposite sex to satisfy a hormonal desire (grinding/making out with no strings attached, possibly having a one night stand etc.) and then rationalizing that what you're doing is meaningful. It's even worse than that due the element of competitiveness associated with it. Wasting your time on instant gratification is one thing. What's so appalling about the modern club culture is that it essentially boils down to a competition in douchebagginess. Guys are rewarded for pouring all their time into looking trendy. They're also rewarded for being extrovert and overconfident and aggressive. And apparently even for looking wealthy in many cases (I'm told a guaranteed way to get laid in London is to feign the appearance of a City banker). We're left with materialism, shallowness, decadence, atomized relations, and a glorification of overt displays of "social aggression". I hate to say stuff like that, but you seem just mad. Maybe because you didn't like your 1. year at uni when all the other people were clubbing and you not. Or why else would you take your time to write all that total nonsense? Please stop the strawman. What he wrote was comprehensible and a valid view point. How is it a "valid view point" if someone is just spouting prejudices around about something he has no idea of (how would he, if he thinks he doesn't like clubbing and maybe went there 2 times..)?
Because it is a view point. Just because you somehow took it personally doesn't mean it isn't. Why do you pretend to know things about the poster?
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On July 24 2013 06:24 Lemonhead wrote:When I was in my teens and early twenties, I hated going to clubs or bars. I gave it a shot perhaps 5-10 times but I never liked it. The high music, drunk people, seemingly shallow interactions and relations. I heard arguments like those in this thread, "you have to be more drunk", "you have to flow with the music", "you have to get out of your shell". Years later I read about introverts and extroverts, that there were much fewer introverts in the world, and that much of the workplaces or social places, are designed for extrovert people. When I read that introverts can socialize with people for a few hours, and then need to be alone to "recharge" I knew exactly what the article was talking about. I now believe I'm an introvert, and nothing I do, nothing I change, will make me like clubbing. Some people love it, and are sure that everyone will love it, if they just tried it "for real" or whatever. Others hate it and see zero reason to do it. Trying to make an introvert like clubbing, is like trying to get reality show contestants to like computer programming. I don't believe either is possible. http://giftedkids.about.com/od/glossary/g/introvert.htmhttp://www.ted.com/talks/susan_cain_the_power_of_introverts.html
Thanks for the links. Good stuff. Always good to be able to learn the vocab around these things.
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On July 24 2013 06:31 willoc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 06:27 theodorus12 wrote:On July 24 2013 06:20 willoc wrote:On July 24 2013 06:13 theodorus12 wrote:On July 24 2013 06:09 GreenGringo wrote:On July 24 2013 05:57 MidKnight wrote:However, I just feel like majority of that kind of culture is just a primitive ritual of getting drunk (drugged), finding a member of opposite sex to satisfy a hormonal desire (grinding/making out with no strings attached, possibly having a one night stand etc.) and then rationalizing that what you're doing is meaningful. It's even worse than that due the element of competitiveness associated with it. Wasting your time on instant gratification is one thing. What's so appalling about the modern club culture is that it essentially boils down to a competition in douchebagginess. Guys are rewarded for pouring all their time into looking trendy. They're also rewarded for being extrovert and overconfident and aggressive. And apparently even for looking wealthy in many cases (I'm told a guaranteed way to get laid in London is to feign the appearance of a City banker). We're left with materialism, shallowness, decadence, atomized relations, and a glorification of overt displays of "social aggression". I hate to say stuff like that, but you seem just mad. Maybe because you didn't like your 1. year at uni when all the other people were clubbing and you not. Or why else would you take your time to write all that total nonsense? Please stop the strawman. What he wrote was comprehensible and a valid view point. How is it a "valid view point" if someone is just spouting prejudices around about something he has no idea of (how would he, if he thinks he doesn't like clubbing and maybe went there 2 times..)? Because it is a view point. Just because you somehow took it personally doesn't mean it isn't. Why do you pretend to know things about the poster?
He is the one taking it personally, just read his defensive answer about not being ugly etc. I couldn't care less if he likes it or not, not spouting around the cheapest prejudices and stating them as facts is just wrong. It's like he watched 3 episodes of Jersey Shore and thinks all clubs are like that lol.
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