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Members of Labours National Executive Committee are worried a damning report by the Equality & Human Rights Commission into anti-semitism and bigotry could lead to bankruptcy for the party.Maybe time to get rid of Corbyn.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-party-bankruptcy-antisemitism-investigation-corbyn-executive-a9153561.html
Members of Labour’s ruling executive have privately voiced fears that the party could be bankrupted as a result of an official inquiry into antisemitism, The Independent has learnt.
The fears are fuelled by the party’s worsening finances. Figures revealed this week showed that Labour made a loss of £655,000 last year, compared to a profit of £1.45m the year before, as a result of a fall in membership, rising staffing costs and losses incurred by last summer’s Labour Live event. The party's finances are likely to come under further strain if it has to fight a general election later this year.
One NEC member said of the EHRC inquiry: “If it’s really bad then it opens up all sorts of possibilities and it has been raised that the whole thing could basically bankrupt the party.
“People are really worried. The party has been asked to let us know what indemnity it has because there are concerns that NEC members are going to ultimately be responsible for this.
“If we were a charity, the Charity Commission would have been all over us months ago. The EHRC is effectively playing the same role as the Charity Commission and we are effectively the trustees. That means we are legally responsible.”
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As an outsider, Corbyn doesn't look too good on many fronts. This is certainly one I've yet to hear him properly address in my casual guardian / BBC browsing / radio listening.
Labour surely isn't dealing with the antisemitism allegations in a thorough manner
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Maybe I got alzheimers or something, but these same accusations have been around for now ~3-4 years?
+Nettles posted them, so.. ugh.
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They’re bullshit accusations IMO and nobody cared about this issue until Labour returned to having a legitimately left wing leader at the helm.
Thar said there are definitely anti-Semites amongst the flock, for sure, I feel a similar scouring of the Tory party might uncover some prejudices.
Sure it’s probably an issue, to some degree. I’m extremely skeptical that it’s a widespread anti-Semitism issue. My family are all staunch old Labour and the extent of their ‘anti-Semitism’ is stop expanding into the West Bank, nothing beyond that.
If I read stuff that gave me the idea that Labour was infested with anti-Jewish sentiment as opposed to anti the excesses of Israel rhetoric I’d change my mind, I haven’t seen that yet.
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On October 13 2019 11:44 Wombat_NI wrote:
They’re bullshit accusations IMO and nobody cared about this issue until Labour returned to having a legitimately left wing leader at the helm.
Thar said there are definitely anti-Semites amongst the flock, for sure, I feel a similar scouring of the Tory party might uncover some prejudices.
Sure it’s probably an issue, to some degree. I’m extremely skeptical that it’s a widespread anti-Semitism issue. My family are all staunch old Labour and the extent of their ‘anti-Semitism’ is stop expanding into the West Bank, nothing beyond that.
If I read stuff that gave me the idea that Labour was infested with anti-Jewish sentiment as opposed to anti the excesses of Israel rhetoric I’d change my mind, I haven’t seen that yet.
Yeah I've seen no real evidence of it except for a couple of people, but it was never dealt with correctly. I don't think its anywhere close to being as much of an issue as racism in the tories, but everyone has just accepted that they are racist in both policy and pronouncements and doesn't talk about it.
Its such a terrible case of people just believing what they read in the newspapers and refusing to think for themselves. People would rather vote tory because Labour is racist??? Give me a break lol.
The thing that's bothering me about Labour right now is still Brexit, unsurprisingly.
In the last 24 hours alone they have said they will back a second referendum and then Corbyn comes out and says he doesn't want a second referendum.
Just make your fucking minds up its been years of this shit.
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British labour party has around 500k members. A £600k (where do you put the pound sign? And why is it an... L?) loss wouldn't be threatening to them I think.
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On October 13 2019 19:25 schaf wrote:
where do you put the pound sign? And why is it an... L?)
it goes on the left and...:
The symbol derives from a capital "L", representing libra pondo, the basic unit of weight in the Roman Empire, which in turn is derived from the Latin word, libra, meaning scales or a balance.
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On October 13 2019 11:44 Wombat_NI wrote:
They’re bullshit accusations IMO and nobody cared about this issue until Labour returned to having a legitimately left wing leader at the helm.
Thar said there are definitely anti-Semites amongst the flock, for sure, I feel a similar scouring of the Tory party might uncover some prejudices.
Sure it’s probably an issue, to some degree. I’m extremely skeptical that it’s a widespread anti-Semitism issue. My family are all staunch old Labour and the extent of their ‘anti-Semitism’ is stop expanding into the West Bank, nothing beyond that.
If I read stuff that gave me the idea that Labour was infested with anti-Jewish sentiment as opposed to anti the excesses of Israel rhetoric I’d change my mind, I haven’t seen that yet.
Yeah, it feels like some people paint everyone who says anything against anything Israel does as antisemitic. Yes, some people who are antisemitic might be against stuff Israel does solely on that basis, but there are a bunch of very good reasons to be against some of the stuff Israel does besides Antisemitism.
From my experience, this is usually used by right-wing people to broadly smear everyone on the left because some people on the left are against some stuff that Israel does, which they translate as "everyone on the left is antisemitic".
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On October 14 2019 05:37 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2019 11:44 Wombat_NI wrote:
They’re bullshit accusations IMO and nobody cared about this issue until Labour returned to having a legitimately left wing leader at the helm.
Thar said there are definitely anti-Semites amongst the flock, for sure, I feel a similar scouring of the Tory party might uncover some prejudices.
Sure it’s probably an issue, to some degree. I’m extremely skeptical that it’s a widespread anti-Semitism issue. My family are all staunch old Labour and the extent of their ‘anti-Semitism’ is stop expanding into the West Bank, nothing beyond that.
If I read stuff that gave me the idea that Labour was infested with anti-Jewish sentiment as opposed to anti the excesses of Israel rhetoric I’d change my mind, I haven’t seen that yet. Yeah, it feels like some people paint everyone who says anything against anything Israel does as antisemitic. Yes, some people who are antisemitic might be against stuff Israel does solely on that basis, but there are a bunch of very good reasons to be against some of the stuff Israel does besides Antisemitism. From my experience, this is usually used by right-wing people to broadly smear everyone on the left because some people on the left are against some stuff that Israel does, which they translate as "everyone on the left is antisemitic".
It’s also very much back on the rise in right-leaning circles of late too, or even ostensibly ‘centrist’ ones.
One only has to have a cursory glance on Facebook threads or YouTube comments to see many ugly and familiar anti-Semitic tropes raising their heads.
I absolutely think we should be vigilant and it’s 100% on the rise across the political spectrum, and I include the left in this too.
I don’t however believe that Labour is rife with it, at least in the form of what I consider ‘genuine’ anti-Semitism as opposed to opposing some of Israel’s behaviour.
I know my family would drop belonging to the likes of BDS the second Israel stopped doing certain things.
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On October 13 2019 19:21 Jockmcplop wrote:
In the last 24 hours alone they have said they will back a second referendum and then Corbyn comes out and says he doesn't want a second referendum.
Just make your fucking minds up its been years of this shit.
So he's opposed to a second referendum before the election but supports a second referendum after the election in the event of a Labour victory? Just to clarify.
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On October 16 2019 17:06 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2019 19:21 Jockmcplop wrote:
In the last 24 hours alone they have said they will back a second referendum and then Corbyn comes out and says he doesn't want a second referendum.
Just make your fucking minds up its been years of this shit. So he's opposed to a second referendum before the election but supports a second referendum after the election in the event of a Labour victory? Just to clarify.
Presumably he doesn't trust the referendum options if the Tories get to choose them, and he wants to be in control of what's actually on the ballot.
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So what is the situation currently with the Brexit? Another extension? Hard brexit at the end of October? I'm a bit lost at this point.
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Will boris do the impossible and come out as a hero. Pulling the uk out of europe WITH a deal? That should crush any hopes labour had for a possible election victory.
It doesnt seem unlikely right now. Even the queen said britain would leave the eu on 31 oct,the queen cant be wrong.
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On October 16 2019 21:02 PoulsenB wrote:
So what is the situation currently with the Brexit? Another extension? Hard brexit at the end of October? I'm a bit lost at this point.
It changes from day to day to be honest. Just this week a deal has been both likely and unlikely, possible and impossible according to various sources from within negotiations.
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On October 16 2019 21:02 PoulsenB wrote:
So what is the situation currently with the Brexit? Another extension? Hard brexit at the end of October? I'm a bit lost at this point. Still the same situation. No possibility of a deal and all eyes on whether the EU will grant an extension.
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Johnson has a new deal, announced on his Twitter.Pound hit five month high.
Vote Saturday.
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The big question is: what kind of deal is it going to be?
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My bet is on something "far worse than Theresa May's" deal in the eyes of the ERG.
Although as one of theirs has negotiated it - ostensibly by massive concessions, I wonder how many of his own (former) red lines BJ had to break for this - they won't give a fuck.
Though Labour might.
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And DUP already said they are refusing it...
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Based on what I saw yesterday, North Ireland stays in the EU customs union, which would mean a border between NI and the rest of the UK. Which the DUP is unlikely to accept and kills the deal before its born unless they can scrape together enough MP's willing to fuck over NI from the opposition.
Looks to me like Johnson saw the problem for him with another extension coming followed by a vote of no confidence and elections. So he is positioning himself to say he delivered the best Brexit deal but the Irish stopped him to head into the elections and try and get a majority without the DUP.
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