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On September 24 2019 18:52 Longshank wrote:
So the prorogation was ruled unlawful. About time, I've missed parliament.tv as white noice while playing Path of Exile.
Happy that my favourite deathly serious soap opera is returning.
But really, I'm glad the court has decided as they have. It was pretty obvious what Johnson was going for. It's about time somebody stood up to one of these leaders who act as if they can do whatever they want with no consequences.
Bercow has said parliament will resume tomorrow at 11:30AM local time. That should be an interesting session to watch.
edit: I guess the question is, will Boris Johnson survive this? I'm seeing a lot of calls for his resignation, but I can see his hubris preventing him from doing so.
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On September 24 2019 20:37 Artisreal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2019 18:02 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On September 24 2019 16:48 Artisreal wrote:
Apart from certain businesses profiting from 4 day work week compared to a 5 day work week.
Like this Glaswegian marketing firm calle pursuit marketing.
I've heard them talking about it on the radio a couple years ago (sadly no longer available, or i simply can't find it on mobile - it was a brainwaves episode) and the guardian hat a piece about other firms earlier this year as well.
It's not always black and white. A four day week working 10 hour days is different to working 32 hour/4 day weeks and getting the same money as the 40 hour/4 day week. Yes. 4 day, 8h each max. More profit than 5 day at least 8 hr for the aforementioned company. Average of 30ish percent productivity increase to the 5 day baseline. That means more total output in 4 days than in the 5 days before the 4 day work week.
Seen some companies post the same about 32h over 5 days schedules as well. Removing lunch hour so easing two shift being one thing I recall.
Other being that people simply aren't productive that many hours (in general).
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United States43527 Posts
Nobody wants his job. That’s why he has it. They want to heckle him but they don’t want to replace him.
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I dont think Boris wants to be Prime Minister. The way he has been acting, he wants the prestige of being Prime Minister and to leave with his dignity intact but can't seem to figure the way out so instead he acts like a dictator in a parliamentary democracy in the vague hope that if he can implment a no deal brexit, so that he will be seen positively by some when he is tthrown out.
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From what I gather his next options would be
1. Step down (haha)
2. Prorogue one more time somehow and get killed again in the courts or by the queen
3. Voice of no confidence in himself. If it passes, opposition has 2 weeks time to install another government under Corbyn or - in the unlikely event he passes - someone else. If they can't there will be an election about 5 weeks after (timeline is from reddit comments, I'm no expert  ) so about 14th of November. Johnson will still be caretaker pm during the two weeks but they end BEFORE he is forced to ask for an extension I think. If there is no opposition government formed during that an election is called and Parliament is dissolved. Next Thursday five weeks from now is 31st of October, btw. Nice timing!
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On September 25 2019 02:44 schaf wrote:From what I gather his next options would be 1. Step down (haha) 2. Prorogue one more time somehow and get killed again in the courts or by the queen 3. Voice of no confidence in himself. If it passes, opposition has 2 weeks time to install another government under Corbyn or - in the unlikely event he passes - someone else. If they can't there will be an election about 5 weeks after (timeline is from reddit comments, I'm no expert ) so about 14th of November. Johnson will still be caretaker pm during the two weeks but they end BEFORE he is forced to ask for an extension I think. If there is no opposition government formed during that an election is called and Parliament is dissolved. Next Thursday five weeks from now is 31st of October, btw. Nice timing! Which is why I suspect there will not be a vote of no confidence until after the UK has gotten an extension.
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On September 25 2019 02:44 schaf wrote:
From what I gather his next options would be
2. Prorogue one more time somehow and get killed again in the courts or by the queen
He should be able to prorogue again, just for a shorter period for a Queen's Speach. It wasn't the prorogation that was the problem but the length of it.
@kwark, I think both Corbyn and Swinson would love to become PM right now. If any of them won an election it would mean they'd have a mandate for their vision of Brexit. Their jobs would be easy since none of them would have to deliver brexit.
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On September 25 2019 03:22 Longshank wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2019 02:44 schaf wrote:
From what I gather his next options would be
2. Prorogue one more time somehow and get killed again in the courts or by the queen
He should be able to prorogue again, just for a shorter period for a Queen's Speach. It wasn't the prorogation that was the problem but the length of it. @kwark, I think both Corbyn and Swinson would love to become PM right now. If any of them won an election it would mean they'd have a mandate for their vision of Brexit. Their jobs would be easy since none of them would have to deliver brexit. What is their vision of Brexit? And how does it solve the problem of the Irish border?
I donno about Swinson but last I heard from Corbyn (when he actually has a position) it was a Brexit without leaving the EU market, taxation without representation. It would see him utterly crucified as both Remain and Brexit hate him.
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On September 25 2019 03:48 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2019 03:22 Longshank wrote:On September 25 2019 02:44 schaf wrote:
From what I gather his next options would be
2. Prorogue one more time somehow and get killed again in the courts or by the queen
He should be able to prorogue again, just for a shorter period for a Queen's Speach. It wasn't the prorogation that was the problem but the length of it. @kwark, I think both Corbyn and Swinson would love to become PM right now. If any of them won an election it would mean they'd have a mandate for their vision of Brexit. Their jobs would be easy since none of them would have to deliver brexit. What is their vision of Brexit? And how does it solve the problem of the Irish border? I donno about Swinson but last I heard from Corbyn (when he actually has a position) it was a Brexit without leaving the EU market, taxation without representation. It would see him utterly crucified as both Remain and Brexit hate him.
Their vision is second referendum, and in Swinson's case also revoke. Corbyn would have to try to negotiate his deal then put it to the people. Irish border wouldnt be a big issue since Labour wants a permanent customs union. None of them would have to implemate any vague Brexit unless that particular deal had won a referendum.
Edit: English with Swedish autocorrection is Hitler.
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Brexit will destroy Labour as it destroyed the Conservatives if Corbyn takes over. The only way to win is not to play.
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On September 25 2019 04:33 KwarK wrote:
Brexit will destroy Labour as it destroyed the Conservatives if Corbyn takes over. The only way to win is not to play.
I don't think this is necessarily the case. Labour seems rather united on that there will have to be a second referendum. Not entirely but largely. The row over at the NEC has been about wether they should campaign for remain or deal if they came to power which is kinda redundant since the voters won't go with party allegiances in such referendum anyway. In the grand scheme of things, it's not a huge issue. If a determined Corbyn deal was to win the referendum, the remainers would largely accept it. Just as they did before. Same if remain won. Everyone won't be happy no matter the outcome, but the division is not really the same as that in the Tories.
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On September 25 2019 04:33 KwarK wrote:
Brexit will destroy Labour as it destroyed the Conservatives if Corbyn takes over. The only way to win is not to play.
Yes it looks like it lol.
I dont believe in a leave with a deal on 31 oct anymore. Most likely seems to be an extension till elections followed by more extensions after the elections.
The whole process is becoming annoying,delay delay delay and lack of results in either direction.
A 2nd referendum seems like a bad ideA to me btw,it would mean a very long extension and possibly revoke. And what if it is leave again in the 2nd referendum, 3 times a charm?
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On September 25 2019 07:34 pmh wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2019 04:33 KwarK wrote:
Brexit will destroy Labour as it destroyed the Conservatives if Corbyn takes over. The only way to win is not to play. Yes it looks like it lol. I dont believe in a leave with a deal on 31 oct anymore. Most likely seems to be an extension till elections followed by more extensions after the elections. The whole process is becoming annoying,delay delay delay and lack of results in either direction. A 2nd referendum seems like a bad ideA to me btw,it would mean a very long extension and possibly revoke. And what if it is leave again in the 2nd referendum, 3 times a charm?
Second referendum would have multiple ranked options for leaving. The issue with the first is it’s like 51% saying they’d like to move house and so Boris is dousing the house they all live in with petrol and lighting a match. The theoretical desire to change does not justify this.
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Boris Johnson just declared that he thinks the Supreme Court was wrong to essentially pronounce on a political question at a time of great national controversy. The controversy was his prorogation in the first place!
Also there is something funny about a Prime Minister trying to encourage a vote of no confidence in himself.
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Also there is something funny about a Prime Minister trying to encourage a vote of no confidence in himself.
Yes i read about this and I don't get this,cant he just sort of resign or make his administration fall and force elections that way?
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Corbyn is the most unpopular leader of the opposition since this poll series began in 1977.
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On September 26 2019 07:07 pmh wrote:
Also there is something funny about a Prime Minister trying to encourage a vote of no confidence in himself.
Yes i read about this and I don't get this,cant he just sort of resign or make his administration fall and force elections that way? He needs 2/3 majority in parliament to call for an early election. Since he doesn't have that his only option is to make his government fail and force elections.
He doesn't want to resign because then the party will simply election someone else to be PM until the next scheduled election. (which is how Boris got the job when May resigned).
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On September 26 2019 07:17 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Corbyn is the most unpopular leader of the opposition since this poll series began in 1977.
Isn't it weird that he also won his leadership so convincingly??
I think Brexit is playing tricks on the results of polls like these to be honest.
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Why is that weird? Johnson also won his leadership convincingly. You can be popular with your base but still unpopular with the rest of the electorate (just look at Trump as another example).
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On September 26 2019 13:08 RvB wrote:
Why is that weird? Johnson also won his leadership convincingly. You can be popular with your base but still unpopular with the rest of the electorate (just look at Trump as another example).
The problem then if you are opposition, you will always be opposition. You need the swing voters and it does not help if they think your PM candidate is terrible.
It's not strange considering we are talking about a party which refuses to take a stance on the biggest political question post-war era (the consequences are bigger than when you joined) where the outcome will affect people and their lives strongly for decades. And that is mostly Corbyn's fault.
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