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So in her BBC interview Theresa May accuses Corbyn of trying to 'sneak' into downing street. Corbyn, who is running for PM, accused by unelected PM May of sneaking. Hmmm.....
This was the sort of car crash interview I'm used to seeing from Labour.
She sounds terrified. You can really sense her fear.Its weird, its like she is realizing that they were a little bit arrogant. Anything can happen in politics these days. This government needs to really come up with some answers, the questions are fair, their manifesto is just awful, and if you ask me the best thing they can do is just say fuck it and add a bunch of decent policies to it.
On May 23 2017 07:33 Jockmcplop wrote: So in her BBC interview Theresa May accuses Corbyn of trying to 'sneak' into downing street. Corbyn, who is running for PM, accused by unelected PM May of sneaking. Hmmm.....
This was the sort of car crash interview I'm used to seeing from Labour.
She sounds terrified. You can really sense her fear.Its weird, its like she is realizing that they were a little bit arrogant. Anything can happen in politics these days. This government needs to really come up with some answers, the questions are fair, their manifesto is just awful, and if you ask me the best thing they can do is just say fuck it and add a bunch of decent policies to it.
Terrified? Fair questions? She stayed calm and held to her line in a hostile interview. We shall see how 'unelected PM May' is when the vote actually happens.
On May 18 2017 04:57 Nyxisto wrote: Wait I have that crap in my house everywhere. My shower either turns you into a lobster or freezes you to death, there is no middle ground and now you're telling me the British are responsible for it? I see brexit in a new light now
You have the left in a shower version?
no I've got the right one, the left one's even worse
Welcome to some of my problems with the UK. :D I think whoever installs 2 taps nowadays should be whipped until they apologise.
When I think about it this just harms small and medium enterprises. The rich ones are fine either way. I thought Conservatives were the party of better economy? lol
Is ~200k net migration that the article mentions really a problem?
If you're already importing 40% of your food needs then I'd say so.Food self sustainability is a reasonable goal to have.Stability is good.Building an economy on financial ponzi and a population ponzi to keep nominal GDP growing not so much.
Argument : "We have an aging population so we need to bring in large numbers of young people to pay taxes that support these old people".Well in 35 years that large group of young people now needs supporting with taxes.And a larger number of old people live longer due to improvements in medicine.So bring in an even bigger number of young people? Definition of ponzi.
That's actually not how it works at all because at some point people die. You can, if you do not want to have a growing population, bring in enough people so that the ratio of working age people / the median age is in equilibrium. If you continuously bring in more young people your population is just going to be, on average, younger. See every country with a high birthrate
You've invented some kind of next level math because I don't see the ponzi scheme
On May 23 2017 07:33 Jockmcplop wrote: So in her BBC interview Theresa May accuses Corbyn of trying to 'sneak' into downing street. Corbyn, who is running for PM, accused by unelected PM May of sneaking. Hmmm.....
This was the sort of car crash interview I'm used to seeing from Labour.
She sounds terrified. You can really sense her fear.Its weird, its like she is realizing that they were a little bit arrogant. Anything can happen in politics these days. This government needs to really come up with some answers, the questions are fair, their manifesto is just awful, and if you ask me the best thing they can do is just say fuck it and add a bunch of decent policies to it.
It is Andrew Neil though, most politicians avoid being interviewed by him at all costs because he is probably the best interviewer in the country.
On May 18 2017 04:57 Nyxisto wrote: Wait I have that crap in my house everywhere. My shower either turns you into a lobster or freezes you to death, there is no middle ground and now you're telling me the British are responsible for it? I see brexit in a new light now
You have the left in a shower version?
no I've got the right one, the left one's even worse
Welcome to some of my problems with the UK. :D I think whoever installs 2 taps nowadays should be whipped until they apologise.
When I think about it this just harms small and medium enterprises. The rich ones are fine either way. I thought Conservatives were the party of better economy? lol
Is ~200k net migration that the article mentions really a problem?
If you're already importing 40% of your food needs then I'd say so.Food self sustainability is a reasonable goal to have.Stability is good.Building an economy on financial ponzi and a population ponzi to keep nominal GDP growing not so much.
Argument : "We have an aging population so we need to bring in large numbers of young people to pay taxes that support these old people".Well in 35 years that large group of young people now needs supporting with taxes.And a larger number of old people live longer due to improvements in medicine.So bring in an even bigger number of young people? Definition of ponzi.
Food sustainability is overrated, and how reasonable it is all depends on your climate and geography. Norway tries to have it, but need 400% import tax on milk and meat, and the most expenisive food in the whole world to get it, while a couple of huge supermarket chains get rich.
That is stretching the ponzi-term! The young people are brought in to do jobs that need to be done, and not bringing them can hamper the economy. Also, we do not really plan generations ahead, it is just not in our nature. We want to live well NOW, and we just DO NOT give up anything now for benefits generations down the road. That is... we easily demand OTHERS to give up stuff, but ourselves? Forget about it.
I do hope some of these parties don't "cash in" on this terrorist attack and start using it to gain voters etc. I would express that i would personally like to hear some answers on this debate but i guess it's to soon and unfair to discuss it before the election runs out. This is one of the most important issues of trying to keep our country safe, but i guess making sure the NHS doesn't collapse is also a pretty huge issue which again is being brushed under the carpet.
Yeah but we all know that isn't for an indefinite time, might be one day or two days, at best. But they will be campaigning very soon with the election just over 14 days away
On May 23 2017 07:33 Jockmcplop wrote: So in her BBC interview Theresa May accuses Corbyn of trying to 'sneak' into downing street. Corbyn, who is running for PM, accused by unelected PM May of sneaking. Hmmm.....
This was the sort of car crash interview I'm used to seeing from Labour.
She sounds terrified. You can really sense her fear.Its weird, its like she is realizing that they were a little bit arrogant. Anything can happen in politics these days. This government needs to really come up with some answers, the questions are fair, their manifesto is just awful, and if you ask me the best thing they can do is just say fuck it and add a bunch of decent policies to it.
It is Andrew Neil though, most politicians avoid being interviewed by him at all costs because he is probably the best interviewer in the country.
Theresa May didn't answer any of his actual questions and was perfectly timed to prove my point over lunch that "she can recite soundbites, but is barely capable of independent thought" there need to be more things challenging politicians on that their own plans are and not give them the out of "the opposition are horrible mean people".
Guess Manchester indirectly helps Theresa since she gets a soundbite of unity, solidarity and praising the NHS and public services her Govenment has shat on so much. Have elections been delayed to allow more time in view of humanity being awful?
I don't think that's accurate. She's not the kind of politician who improvises, so interviews are not her strong point, but she has a reputation for being meticulous and very well informed. I don't really have any doubts about her competence, but her authoritarian slant is frustrating. I wouldn't vote for the Tories at this point if there was any alternative, but there isn't.
The election won't be delayed because there are only certain days on which it can take place. It's unlikely, anyway. Campaigning is stopped for up to a week.
On May 23 2017 07:33 Jockmcplop wrote: So in her BBC interview Theresa May accuses Corbyn of trying to 'sneak' into downing street. Corbyn, who is running for PM, accused by unelected PM May of sneaking. Hmmm.....
This was the sort of car crash interview I'm used to seeing from Labour.
She sounds terrified. You can really sense her fear.Its weird, its like she is realizing that they were a little bit arrogant. Anything can happen in politics these days. This government needs to really come up with some answers, the questions are fair, their manifesto is just awful, and if you ask me the best thing they can do is just say fuck it and add a bunch of decent policies to it.
It is Andrew Neil though, most politicians avoid being interviewed by him at all costs because he is probably the best interviewer in the country.
Theresa May didn't answer any of his actual questions and was perfectly timed to prove my point over lunch that "she can recite soundbites, but is barely capable of independent thought" there need to be more things challenging politicians on that their own plans are and not give them the out of "the opposition are horrible mean people".
Guess Manchester indirectly helps Theresa since she gets a soundbite of unity, solidarity and praising the NHS and public services her Govenment has shat on so much. Have elections been delayed to allow more time in view of humanity being awful?
The thing, is soundbites are the best way to campaign and be a politician in todays media.
I'm currently reading a book about Canadian Parliamentary politics and how the political parties are centralizing power with the PM as an effect of trying to control their individual party brand.
Very interesting. Lots of parallels with our parliamentary systems. It is called Brand Command. I highly recommend it if this kind of thing interests you.
In the end, it won't matter who you vote in, by virtue of controlling their political brand whatever PM you have will end up consolidating more power in their office and be more top down than governments of the 90s for example. They'll all have some sort of authoritarian slant with how they manage their parliament.
The only thing you can vote on is general direction of the government and its policies.
On May 23 2017 07:33 Jockmcplop wrote: So in her BBC interview Theresa May accuses Corbyn of trying to 'sneak' into downing street. Corbyn, who is running for PM, accused by unelected PM May of sneaking. Hmmm.....
This was the sort of car crash interview I'm used to seeing from Labour.
She sounds terrified. You can really sense her fear.Its weird, its like she is realizing that they were a little bit arrogant. Anything can happen in politics these days. This government needs to really come up with some answers, the questions are fair, their manifesto is just awful, and if you ask me the best thing they can do is just say fuck it and add a bunch of decent policies to it.
It is Andrew Neil though, most politicians avoid being interviewed by him at all costs because he is probably the best interviewer in the country.
Theresa May didn't answer any of his actual questions and was perfectly timed to prove my point over lunch that "she can recite soundbites, but is barely capable of independent thought" there need to be more things challenging politicians on that their own plans are and not give them the out of "the opposition are horrible mean people".
Guess Manchester indirectly helps Theresa since she gets a soundbite of unity, solidarity and praising the NHS and public services her Govenment has shat on so much. Have elections been delayed to allow more time in view of humanity being awful?
elections, be they local or national, are always held on thursdays. arrangements have to be made to book out community centres/halls as polling stations, i think many primary schools will also take the day off. it's quite a logistical undertaking so they would almost certainly not postpone the election. it would have to take something like a state of emergency for that to happen.
All the party's shit on the NHS by the way, the NHS trust did a post yesterday saying how between all 3 parties they are still MILES behind on what the NHS need in terms of money being thrown at it. Difference between parties was like £130million-£135million extra funding which falls short of the £500 something million they need to survive or something.
So can't blame conservatives this time, just blame government period.
On May 23 2017 07:33 Jockmcplop wrote: So in her BBC interview Theresa May accuses Corbyn of trying to 'sneak' into downing street. Corbyn, who is running for PM, accused by unelected PM May of sneaking. Hmmm.....
This was the sort of car crash interview I'm used to seeing from Labour.
She sounds terrified. You can really sense her fear.Its weird, its like she is realizing that they were a little bit arrogant. Anything can happen in politics these days. This government needs to really come up with some answers, the questions are fair, their manifesto is just awful, and if you ask me the best thing they can do is just say fuck it and add a bunch of decent policies to it.
Terrified? Fair questions? She stayed calm and held to her line in a hostile interview. We shall see how 'unelected PM May' is when the vote actually happens.
I don't think the interview was hostile. I thought the first few questions were unhelpful and confrontational but after that I thought it was quite soft for a serious political interview. He gave her time to answer, dropped questions quickly despite non-answers, and rarely interrupted her except when it was clear she was starting a rehearsed and already used soundbite that wasn't even relevant to the question.
Moreover, I thought Theresa May was far more hostile. I found her constant use of "Andrew" to be condescending (I guess it was meant to seem friendly) but it sounded more like an adult talking to a child. She refused to answer any question, or give any details. An interview needs both a willing interviewer and a willing interviewee to be a good interview.
For example; She refused to say anything about the social care cap but implied it was there all along - she said nothing about what the cap would be. She also said nothing about the means-testing of the Winter Fuel Allowance so people could guess who would be affected by it. She implied no tax rises but refused to say for certain and said nothing about the previous attempt to raise national insurance on self-employed. She did not explain the source of the extra £8bn for the NHS.
I watched the interview and I learnt nothing of substance from Theresa May about what she/the conservatives would do with a majority.
On May 23 2017 07:33 Jockmcplop wrote: So in her BBC interview Theresa May accuses Corbyn of trying to 'sneak' into downing street. Corbyn, who is running for PM, accused by unelected PM May of sneaking. Hmmm.....
This was the sort of car crash interview I'm used to seeing from Labour.
She sounds terrified. You can really sense her fear.Its weird, its like she is realizing that they were a little bit arrogant. Anything can happen in politics these days. This government needs to really come up with some answers, the questions are fair, their manifesto is just awful, and if you ask me the best thing they can do is just say fuck it and add a bunch of decent policies to it.
Terrified? Fair questions? She stayed calm and held to her line in a hostile interview. We shall see how 'unelected PM May' is when the vote actually happens.
I don't think the interview was hostile. I thought the first few questions were unhelpful and confrontational but after that I thought it was quite soft for a serious political interview. He gave her time to answer, dropped questions quickly despite non-answers, and rarely interrupted her except when it was clear she was starting a rehearsed and already used soundbite that wasn't even relevant to the question.
Moreover, I thought Theresa May was far more hostile. I found her constant use of "Andrew" to be condescending (I guess it was meant to seem friendly) but it sounded more like an adult talking to a child. She refused to answer any question, or give any details. An interview needs both a willing interviewer and a willing interviewee to be a good interview.
For example; She refused to say anything about the social care cap but implied it was there all along - she said nothing about what the cap would be. She also said nothing about the means-testing of the Winter Fuel Allowance so people could guess who would be affected by it. She implied no tax rises but refused to say for certain and said nothing about the previous attempt to raise national insurance on self-employed. She did not explain the source of the extra £8bn for the NHS.
I watched the interview and I learnt nothing of substance from Theresa May about what she/the conservatives would do with a majority.
What's gone wrong? So why do you think your lead is narrowing? But could you be in a little bit of trouble now because you were so sure of winning that you thought you could get away with a lot of uncosted and half baked policies? But your policies are uncosted and half baked, aren't they? I call it hostile, you say confrontational...I won't split hairs with you. And really all I can gather from you implying condescension and imputing hostility on May's part is that you like the interviewer and dislike Theresa May.
You're right on what she refused to say and did not explain. Reading between the lines, you're wanting to say he was justified in calling her dishonest and her ideas half-baked. I don't think you and I disagree all that much. It wasn't that productive in specific answers because she refused to go into specifics. He was right to push, and especially in the middle he went about that as any interviewer did. At the beginning, however, it sounded very much like accusatory debate tactics from assertions of half-baked ideas to allegations of bad intent for calling the election. Unforced errors on him from the start, when if he had shown he was only pushing for answers, he would absolutely been seen more positively throughout the course of the interview. So it's entirely consistent to praise his performance in the middle and criticize the tone he set from the start that partially overshadowed it.
On May 23 2017 07:33 Jockmcplop wrote: So in her BBC interview Theresa May accuses Corbyn of trying to 'sneak' into downing street. Corbyn, who is running for PM, accused by unelected PM May of sneaking. Hmmm.....
This was the sort of car crash interview I'm used to seeing from Labour.
She sounds terrified. You can really sense her fear.Its weird, its like she is realizing that they were a little bit arrogant. Anything can happen in politics these days. This government needs to really come up with some answers, the questions are fair, their manifesto is just awful, and if you ask me the best thing they can do is just say fuck it and add a bunch of decent policies to it.
Terrified? Fair questions? She stayed calm and held to her line in a hostile interview. We shall see how 'unelected PM May' is when the vote actually happens.
I don't think the interview was hostile. I thought the first few questions were unhelpful and confrontational but after that I thought it was quite soft for a serious political interview. He gave her time to answer, dropped questions quickly despite non-answers, and rarely interrupted her except when it was clear she was starting a rehearsed and already used soundbite that wasn't even relevant to the question.
Moreover, I thought Theresa May was far more hostile. I found her constant use of "Andrew" to be condescending (I guess it was meant to seem friendly) but it sounded more like an adult talking to a child. She refused to answer any question, or give any details. An interview needs both a willing interviewer and a willing interviewee to be a good interview.
For example; She refused to say anything about the social care cap but implied it was there all along - she said nothing about what the cap would be. She also said nothing about the means-testing of the Winter Fuel Allowance so people could guess who would be affected by it. She implied no tax rises but refused to say for certain and said nothing about the previous attempt to raise national insurance on self-employed. She did not explain the source of the extra £8bn for the NHS.
I watched the interview and I learnt nothing of substance from Theresa May about what she/the conservatives would do with a majority.
What's gone wrong? So why do you think your lead is narrowing? But could you be in a little bit of trouble now because you were so sure of winning that you thought you could get away with a lot of uncosted and half baked policies? But your policies are uncosted and half baked, aren't they? I call it hostile, you say confrontational...I won't split hairs with you. And really all I can gather from you implying condescension and imputing hostility on May's part is that you like the interviewer and dislike Theresa May.
You're right on what she refused to say and did not explain. Reading between the lines, you're wanting to say he was justified in calling her dishonest and her ideas half-baked. I don't think you and I disagree all that much. It wasn't that productive in specific answers because she refused to go into specifics. He was right to push, and especially in the middle he went about that as any interviewer did. At the beginning, however, it sounded very much like accusatory debate tactics from assertions of half-baked ideas to allegations of bad intent for calling the election. Unforced errors on him from the start, when if he had shown he was only pushing for answers, he would absolutely been seen more positively throughout the course of the interview. So it's entirely consistent to praise his performance in the middle and criticize the tone he set from the start that partially overshadowed it.
It seems like we mostly agree (most of the examples you gave of hostile questions came from the start which I admitted were unhelpful and confrontational, I thought it was clear I disapproved of them) but my overall point was that they both made the interview that way. Andrew Neil set the tone and Theresa May did not encourage the better questions by giving better answers to them. I would go one stage further and say that Theresa May did nothing at all to make a good interview but Andrew Neil did at least ask some good questions. Not great by either of them, but one of them did okay at times which means I think that has one more of my respect. As little as that is and as depressing as that is to say.
That is what I meant by saying Theresa May was more hostile. I meant that she was a bigger factor in the interview being as bad as it was. It is a more passive hostility, but it was a very adversarial approach taken by her.
(Side note: If someone repeatedly uses my first name then I will think they are either (a) trying to manipulate me, or (b) trying to demean me. It is not a natural way of talking to friends, or to colleagues. Would you not get irritated if somebody you were not close to used your first name that frequently?)
I do dislike Theresa May, but that is because of her attitude towards such interviews and how vague she always is. She has been PM since October, and now has been campaigning for weeks which includes a manifesto and I still have little idea what she actually wants to do, besides increase surveillance. A lot of what she talks about does not seem to be backed up what she tried to do as PM or what is in the manifesto; Examples - She has talked about creating a more equal education system, where money cannot buy you access to a good school (via house prices) but she wants to create more grammar schools which help the affluent. - She says there is no plan/intention to raise national insurance but a raise for self-employed was included in the previous budget (but later removed). - In that interview, Andrew Neil highlighted her conflicting statements about no deal on Brexit, both that no deal would have dire consequences but would still be better than a bad deal.
On May 23 2017 22:20 bardtown wrote: I don't think that's accurate. She's not the kind of politician who improvises, so interviews are not her strong point, but she has a reputation for being meticulous and very well informed. I don't really have any doubts about her competence, but her authoritarian slant is frustrating. I wouldn't vote for the Tories at this point if there was any alternative, but there isn't.
The election won't be delayed because there are only certain days on which it can take place. It's unlikely, anyway. Campaigning is stopped for up to a week.
Why? May is for hard Brexit. That's what you wanted.
If I were able to vote, I'd not vote for Conservatives this time even though I support right wing economy. Theresa May is absolutely awful in my opinion. I liked David Cameron way more. That said, Corbyn is crazy to support renationalisation, so I'd not vote for that either.
On May 23 2017 22:20 bardtown wrote: I don't think that's accurate. She's not the kind of politician who improvises, so interviews are not her strong point, but she has a reputation for being meticulous and very well informed. I don't really have any doubts about her competence, but her authoritarian slant is frustrating. I wouldn't vote for the Tories at this point if there was any alternative, but there isn't.
The election won't be delayed because there are only certain days on which it can take place. It's unlikely, anyway. Campaigning is stopped for up to a week.
Why? May is for hard Brexit. That's what you wanted.
If I were able to vote, I'd not vote for Conservatives this time even though I support right wing economy. Theresa May is absolutely awful in my opinion. I liked David Cameron way more. That said, Corbyn is crazy to support renationalisation, so I'd not vote for that either.
I will vote for her (unless there's any good independent candidates, haven't checked yet), but only for Brexit and to keep Corbyn out. If the Lib Dems hadn't shot themselves in the foot (again) by opposing Brexit, I would have voted for them to legalise cannabis and reverse the snooper's charter. Just have to hope once Brexit is done they won't advocate for rejoining the EU so I actually have a possible alternative.
I'm voting Lib Dem in an incredibly safe Conservative seat. My only real incentive to vote is so that somewhere in the Conservative party offices someone will say "who are these extra Lib Dem voters and how can we better appeal to them?" the way UKIP votes did.
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