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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2841 Posts
So as long as the basic questions are done and the trade negotiations have started I don't think there is going to be a problem. Which is one of the reason the EU want those things settled before hand because all it takes is one country being sufficiently pissed off because their core issue isn't settled and the whole thing blows up. The EU also has an experienced team on trade deals since they are doing trade deals as an organisation. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On May 17 2017 01:06 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote: I think both sides wanted it done. Only bad things can happen by dragging it out. The deal can also take as long as necessary as the time can be extended if all parties (that is every single country in the EU + UK) agree to it. So as long as the basic questions are done and the trade negotiations have started I don't think there is going to be a problem. Which is one of the reason the EU want those things settled before hand because all it takes is one country being sufficiently pissed off because their core issue isn't settled and the whole thing blows up. The EU also has an experienced team on trade deals since they are doing trade deals as an organisation. The EU also has the resources of 27 countries. The UK is either alone or it'll have to ask for help.  | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On May 16 2017 22:40 bardtown wrote: That's a strangely revisionist view of recent history. What I recall is Theresa May forever keeping information under wraps till a sudden anouncement and then to after muddle through as if unprepared.They didn't rush. They took the best part of a year before triggering A50, and you cannot continue indefinitely with uncertainty or you risk serious damage to the economy. In any case the EU may prefer UK to trigger article 50 to their own benefit, but I think you RVB are overestimating the influence of the EU to affect when UK did trigger article 50. As far as I can tell the EU has not, and could not in any case place any pressure to push the British government to triggering article 50. Theresa May decided all by herself when and how to activate article 50. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On May 17 2017 06:18 Dangermousecatdog wrote: That's a strangely revisionist view of recent history. What I recall is Theresa May forever keeping information under wraps till a sudden anouncement and then to after muddle through as if unprepared. In any case the EU may prefer UK to trigger article 50 to their own benefit, but I think you RVB are overestimating the influence of the EU to affect when UK did trigger article 50. As far as I can tell the EU has not, and could not in any case place any pressure to push the British government to triggering article 50. Theresa May decided all by herself when and how to activate article 50. That's true. However, what the EU has is economic influence. Do you know why the UK wanted to join the EU? Because its economy was poor. However, France didn't let you in initially. Then, after Charles de Gaulle, you were able to join. What makes you and the other Brexit guys think you'll be better off economically than last time when you weren't in the EU? What changed since then? Also, Charles de Gaulle didn't want you in the EU because he suspected you were too influenced by America. I feel like now he is probably right about the 52% who voted to leave. Why be America's puppets? America is better than Russia, sure, but why be their puppet rather than be among equals in the EU where your voice is stronger? | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On May 17 2017 06:42 Dangermousecatdog wrote: That is very interesting information Shield, but what relevance has this towards the purported pressure from the EU to push UK to activate article 50 asap as written by RVB? That was general criticism about Brexit. As far as your question goes, my guess is the EU wanted to reduce damage to both economies (yours and the EU's) due to uncertainty. I thought lots of people suspected this already? It's not a lets-kick-the-UK-out-for-fun club. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On May 17 2017 06:53 Dangermousecatdog wrote: I'm not saying that the EU wouldn't want UK to activate article 50 as soon as possible. What I don't understand is RVB's insistence that the EU had any pressure applied to the UK to invoke article 50 as soon as possible. I simply don't see any proof that the EU has any inclination or ability to do so. I think he/she misunderstood the EU's calls to trigger Article 50. The EU wanted less uncertainty and they said it. However, RVB might have interpreted that as pressure or exercise of power. He/she is entitled to have their opinion. Random question: Why is the UK so insistent to have no cold/hot water mixer at many places? Why is this backwards thinking still tolerated in the 21st century? Please don't tell me it's because of traditions. It's just silly. :D | ||
KwarK
United States44191 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10924 Posts
On May 17 2017 07:32 Shield wrote: I think he/she misunderstood the EU's calls to trigger Article 50. The EU wanted less uncertainty and they said it. However, RVB might have interpreted that as pressure or exercise of power. He/she is entitled to have their opinion. Random question: Why is the UK so insistent to have no cold/hot water mixer at many places? Why is this backwards thinking still tolerated in the 21st century? Please don't tell me it's because of traditions. It's just silly. :D Biggest wtf moment i had in ireland+uk... its like not having normal toilets just less gross but even dumber. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6294 Posts
in fact the impression I got would be that the EU would be perfectly happy if it was put off for as long as possible. "There needs to be a notification by the country concerned of its intention to leave (the EU), hence the request to (British Prime Minister David) Cameron to act quickly," Moscovici, the EU's economic affairs commissioner, told French media. President Tusk, President Schulz and Prime Minister Rutte met this morning in Brussels upon the invitation of European Commission President Juncker. They discussed the outcome of the United Kingdom referendum and made the following joint statement: ...... We now expect the United Kingdom government to give effect to this decision of the British people as soon as possible, however painful that process may be. Any delay would unnecessarily prolong uncertainty. The European Parliament passed a motion urging the UK to start the exit process by triggering Article 50 immediately. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36648664 http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2016/06/24-joint-statement-uk-referendum/ http://www.business-standard.com/article/international/britain-must-quickly-announce-exit-from-eu-commissioner-116062600648_1.html So they certainly wanted the UK to trigger article 50 quickly. While you're right that there were hardly any formal ways to put pressure on the UK they still tried to do so by refusing to start any negotiations untill article 50 was triggered. If they didn't really care they could've started the negotiating process sooner. There's also the fact that the UK doesn't want to poison relations with the EU by delaying invoking article 50 because that would make a deal that much harder than it already is. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5838 Posts
On May 18 2017 02:10 Velr wrote: Biggest wtf moment i had in ireland+uk... its like not having normal toilets just less gross but even dumber. Haha, when I was staying at the hotel in the UK I thought to myself that maybe it's just a weird meme. Then another time I stayed at a friend's place and I was like "Wow, it's real!"  | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9949 Posts
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On May 18 2017 04:28 Jockmcplop wrote: Use the hot one and burn your hands to shit. You'll be a bit more British if you do. My mind can't process it! It's 2017 and there are still two separate taps for cold and hot water. Thank god not every place in the UK is like that. | ||
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KwarK
United States44191 Posts
On May 18 2017 04:33 Shield wrote: My mind can't process it! It's 2017 and there are still two separate taps for cold and hot water. Thank god not every place in the UK is like that. We're an old country with old plumbing. New houses have a combined faucet but not every house is new. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On May 18 2017 04:34 KwarK wrote: We're an old country with old plumbing. New houses have a combined faucet but not every house is new. I don't know about plumbing in general, but Bulgaria is older than the UK, yet I don't remember two separate taps. Oh well. | ||
zatic
Zurich15366 Posts
On May 18 2017 04:34 KwarK wrote: We're an old country with old plumbing. New houses have a combined faucet but not every house is new. The worst part is that you exported that stupidy to half to globe. German South West Africa had proper taps until British SA invaded in 1915 to impose separate taps. And wrong side driving. What a tragedy. | ||
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KwarK
United States44191 Posts
On May 18 2017 04:36 Shield wrote: I don't know about plumbing in general, but Bulgaria is older than the UK, yet I don't remember two separate taps. Oh well. My point is that early adopters of technology end up with obsolete shit that newer adopters skip. Obviously combined faucets are better but back when we installed our faucets nobody had told us that combined faucets are better. It's why we have a canal network spanning the entire country too and why our train lines used to all have different gauges and be incompatible with each other. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
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bardtown
England2313 Posts
On May 18 2017 04:44 zatic wrote: The worst part is that you exported that stupidy to half to globe. German South West Africa had proper taps until British SA invaded in 1915 to impose separate taps. And wrong side driving. What a tragedy. It's not the wrong side, but it's not the right side either . | ||
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