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On June 25 2013 07:06 Zenocide wrote:
I have no problems with gay people except the flaming ones who feel the need to shove it in your face, also the ones who feel the need to talk "gay". Can't you just act normal and keep your sexuality to yourself?
"Keep your sexuality to yourself" ? So you mean hiding their partner, never talking about them, staying in the closet and pretending to be straight ?
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On June 25 2013 07:01 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 06:59 Bagration wrote:On June 25 2013 06:52 Klondikebar wrote:On June 25 2013 06:48 Bagration wrote:On June 25 2013 06:39 Klondikebar wrote:On June 25 2013 06:36 Raneth wrote:On June 25 2013 06:25 Klondikebar wrote:On June 25 2013 06:24 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 06:19 Klondikebar wrote:On June 25 2013 06:17 Plansix wrote:
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How about me, who is totally comfortable, but still hates the word with the fire of a nova?
Calling someone a "privileged white person" has the same affect as me calling someone "A typical angry black man". No matter what grain of truth there is in the statement, it is still aggressive and insulting to everyone in that demographic. There is no way I hear that phrase and side with the person who said it. It is a shitty way to argue the point and only serves to alienate everyone in that demographic. Do you feel entitled to only have heterosexuals displayed in the media and do you feel that any representation of homosexuality is "shoving it in your face?" If yes, then you are privileged and idc if you're insulted cause you lack perspective and are kinda a dick. If no, then you are not privileged and you shouldn't be getting bent out of shape about that word because no one is using it to describe you. I don't are what characters are on screen and only want good writing and TV. And if you are using the phrase as an insult, then call it and insult. Don't use some argument to justify why a straight person is privileged, because you end up roping in the people who totally support gays and insulting them too. In short, just call the guy a douche and move on. Or just call him a typical privileged straight asshole, so everyone knows you are insulting him and not all straight people. You're being insulted by a word that doesn't even apply to you. I...don't really know how to help you. Dude, it doesn't matter if you are privileged and aware of it, or privileged and ignorant, if you are an english speaking, white, male, heterosexual, you are privileged. You lead a privileged life, and being aware of it doesn't stop it being the case, the word -does- apply to him, and it -does- apply to me, and it -does- apply to a lot of other people who are on -your side- of the debate. Read what he is saying again. So then why is it an insult? Why are they taking offense to it? Privileged implies that due to factors I cannot control, I am ignorant. No one likes to be called ignorant. It is a term that divides, not unifies. It puts the person being called privileged on the defense, and turns a potentially constructive discussion into a zero sum argument. But...you are ignorant. None of a heterosexual's life experiences regarding their orientation equate to those of a gay man. You are ignorant of a gay man's experiences regarding their orientation. You are actually being offended by a simple and obvious fact. If that puts you on the defensive then you probably weren't that far from defensive to begin with. Fuck me right? You don't win people over or persuade them by calling them ignorant. That's the problem with privilege: with any other topic, if I don't know it, I can learn it (such as math, science etc). But since I'm straight, I'm automatically privileged and I will, in your words, always remain ignorant due to my orientation. Understanding others naturally leads to tolerance, but these ideas of privilege push people away. How can I understand you if you push me away and call me ignorant? But like...you're ignorant of PhD level nuclear physics but would you take that as an insult if I said that to you?
No, because I can learn nuclear level physics. But if I'm straight, people will consider me ignorant no matter what unless I change my lifestyle. This applies on a much broader scale as well, not just sexuality: I might not be the same race, or gender, or same culture as you, and I may not understand you as well as I'd like to. But don't push me away and call me ignorant. Engage me and teach me, don't label me as an outsider due to factors I can't control.
I may not be gay, but teach me so I do understand you better. I don't think being straight means you'll never be able to understand being gay, just as I feel being black does not mean being unable to understand white people.
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Jeeez the amount of rage in this thread is incomprehensible. Props to TL, let people be who they are, if they're different than you, that doesn't cause you an harm. 
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On June 25 2013 07:06 Zenocide wrote:
I have no problems with gay people except the flaming ones who feel the need to shove it in your face, also the ones who feel the need to talk "gay". Can't you just act normal and keep your sexuality to yourself?
Can you wrap your head around the fact that for them they're the ones acting "normal" while you're the one thats not "normal"?
I didn't chose to be straight any more then they didn't chose to be gay.
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I can only LOL at this discussion about a simple logo statement and it's well intended expression behind it. I'm sorry to say but some of you take things too seriously.
Continue your overly-serious posts, in 1,2,3...
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On June 25 2013 06:36 Raneth wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 06:25 Klondikebar wrote:On June 25 2013 06:24 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 06:19 Klondikebar wrote:On June 25 2013 06:17 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 06:09 Klondikebar wrote:On June 25 2013 05:59 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 05:52 Klondikebar wrote:On June 25 2013 05:49 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 05:44 Klondikebar wrote:
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You don't need to get rid of your privilege. What a lot of people don't understand about privilege is that no one is expecting some monumental charity work from you. Simply understanding why gay people need gay pride and that they are marginalized is all we expect. A lot of stuff you do the world considers normal. We're not so lucky. A little sympathy is all we want. I would argue that "privilege" is a terrible word. People do not like being called "privileged". A better way to put it is that gay people need to remind homophobic people that they are not leaving and gays won't put up with their bullshit. If you are straight and you ever see someone who is gay being marginalized, any help would be pretty great. Much like gays don't like being lumped into one group, all straight people don't like being lumped in with homophobic people. But privilege is exactly what it is. Your day to day activities regarding your sexual orientation aren't judged and aren't derided. And your sexual orientation is catered to almost exclusively in every medium. That's privilege. The world caters to you. Just because straight people don't like the word doesn't mean we're going to stop using it given that it's completely appropriate. If they don't like being called privileged imagine how gay people must feel to not even be privileged at all. Privilege imparts the idea that someone is not entitled to their place is life or what they have. It is insulting. We use it to refer to rich, care free people who have not experienced loss or other problems in life. If you want to win people to your side, why would you start by insulting them? I don't disagree that straight people have it easier because they are straight. But saying it is "privilege" is not the best way to convey that. It is better to say the world treat you differently because you are gay. It takes the burden off of the person you are speaking with and does not impart fault to them. Calling them privileged does the opposite and makes it seem like they are part of the problem. We're not using the words to describe allies. It's in response to people who say they don't like having "the gay" shoved in their faces. Those people aren't allies. Those are people who feel entitled to have only heterosexuality portrayed. And, with regards to their orientation, yeah they are carefree and and have never experienced a problem. You'll forgive us for not being too worried that the word "privileged" makes a coddled straight person feel uncomfortable. How about me, who is totally comfortable, but still hates the word with the fire of a nova? Calling someone a "privileged white person" has the same affect as me calling someone "A typical angry black man". No matter what grain of truth there is in the statement, it is still aggressive and insulting to everyone in that demographic. There is no way I hear that phrase and side with the person who said it. It is a shitty way to argue the point and only serves to alienate everyone in that demographic. Do you feel entitled to only have heterosexuals displayed in the media and do you feel that any representation of homosexuality is "shoving it in your face?" If yes, then you are privileged and idc if you're insulted cause you lack perspective and are kinda a dick. If no, then you are not privileged and you shouldn't be getting bent out of shape about that word because no one is using it to describe you. I don't are what characters are on screen and only want good writing and TV. And if you are using the phrase as an insult, then call it and insult. Don't use some argument to justify why a straight person is privileged, because you end up roping in the people who totally support gays and insulting them too. In short, just call the guy a douche and move on. Or just call him a typical privileged straight asshole, so everyone knows you are insulting him and not all straight people. You're being insulted by a word that doesn't even apply to you. I...don't really know how to help you. Dude, it doesn't matter if you are privileged and aware of it, or privileged and ignorant, if you are an english speaking, white, male, heterosexual, you are privileged. You lead a privileged life, and being aware of it doesn't stop it being the case, the word -does- apply to him, and it -does- apply to me, and it -does- apply to a lot of other people who are on -your side- of the debate. Read what he is saying again.
What is this piece of crap?
Being white doesn`t come with privileges in itself. Try going to poor white countries, Russia is not better than Mexico or China.
Speaking English doesn`t make you any more privileged then German of French os Swedish speaking person would be.
Language is a tool. You learn it. It is like saying higher education makes you priviliged.
Being male hardly counts as privileged. At least not in english speaking countries. In England, for example you can be deprived from right to try to be elected to public office due to living in a women-only representative district.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-women_shortlists
In US, more women graduate with a colege degree than males, and hence would have better pay and better carieres.
Children are disproportionally left with women after divource. Single mothers are entitled to a lot of help and consern, single fathers are just ignored as beings that exist.
It is generally vieved as normal to see and value women work at being mother. Fathers are only valued as bag of money reguardless of how much effort is put to bringing up children.
Males have to serve in the military or some other work. Women are not forced to.
Being homosexual is not privilege. 95% or so are. You could say being married gives you priviliges over non-maried, however, that doesn`t go on the homo/hetero distinction but maried/unmaries. Then, not all govements award privileges to married people ower unmaried, so...
Your claim doesn`t make sence in the slightest.
Even an easier example. We have 2 poor emigrants, entering US. They are equally educated and equally poor. One is black, one is white. Who get`s a lion share of goverment assistance, and is entitled to your-race only scolarships and othe benefits as well as any general ones?
You guessed it right.
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On June 25 2013 01:21 Qwyn wrote:
The prescribed evolutionary purpose of sex is to reproduce. Enjoyment serves as a means to an end. Humans being unlike other mammals, we have attributed other purposes to sex (going against the nature of the act). But that still does not change the fact that offspring are born only one way...
I'm sad that guy isn't here anymore 
But for all who think as well "The prescribed evolutionary purpose of sex is to reproduce" how about that:
Humans have evolved into a species that hypothetically is now able to reproduce without any sex at all, and also in a far more efficient way than through "traditional sex".
If there is a "better" more efficient way to reproduce than sex, and the prescribed evolutinary purpose of sex is to reproduce, by the laws of evolution sex is bound to vanish... Somehow I doubt that...
In reality sex has more, equally important purposes than just reproduction (anthropologically, sociologically and psychologically speaking.... biology is not the only science... who knew.)
Sex is a basic human need and I don't think it says just heterosexuality is a basic human need (maybe in german literature of about 1930)
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On June 25 2013 07:08 Leyra wrote:Jeeez the amount of rage in this thread is incomprehensible. Props to TL, let people be who they are, if they're different than you, that doesn't cause you an harm.
what if they're vampires?
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On June 25 2013 05:20 Salazarz wrote:
Actually things like this banner is one of the reasons why I'm annoyed by the LGBT community or whatever you call it as a whole. :l I understand that to a certain extent, perhaps it is necessary for them to be vocal about their issues and struggle etc, but, at least in my experience, many homosexuals / bisexuals are way too eager to make a public statement out of it, and it gets pretty annoying. I mean, we don't have "straight banners" or "straight parades" or "straight pride days" - in fact I'm pretty sure that if anyone tried to make one, they'd be labelled an intolerant jerk quite quickly by some; likewise I've had the "pleasure" of watching homosexual PDA in the most inappropriate of places like work offices and whatnot - and if anyone showed even a modicum of displeasure about it, they'd be instantly called a gay hater a bigot etc etc. (And yes before anyone asks, I'd be annoyed by straight people kissing or something dumb at the end of the shift in the office too, it just... seems a lot more common between homosexuals, especially when you consider how many more straight couples are there). If we could all just agree that grown up people are free to do whatever the hell they please with that - as long as they keep it decent and you know, out of other people's faces - that would be perfect. It's true that we should generally stay out of other people's sexual lives - it's just that they should keep their sexual life out of my own life, too.
What's kind of funny is that most content in the western world IS straight banners and straight parades. Try watching commercials where the couples are gay. Try watchin movies where "the man" gets "the man" without it being a spectacle of sexuality (broke back mountain anyone?). Try shopping diapers without pictures of a straight family on the package. Try asking a man if he's got a boyfriend without it being awkward.
My point is that people makes statements and assumptions about other people being straight ALL THE TIME. It's not labeled "The Hugo Boss Straight Commercial", but it sure as hell is a commercial for straight people when the women gets seduced by a man with a hugo boss perfume. The pride parades is a way of getting into the ever pushing straight parade of the heteronormative world.
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On June 25 2013 06:57 Polis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 06:44 Klondikebar wrote:On June 25 2013 06:41 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 06:39 Klondikebar wrote:On June 25 2013 06:36 Raneth wrote:On June 25 2013 06:25 Klondikebar wrote:On June 25 2013 06:24 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 06:19 Klondikebar wrote:On June 25 2013 06:17 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 06:09 Klondikebar wrote:
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We're not using the words to describe allies. It's in response to people who say they don't like having "the gay" shoved in their faces. Those people aren't allies. Those are people who feel entitled to have only heterosexuality portrayed. And, with regards to their orientation, yeah they are carefree and and have never experienced a problem.
You'll forgive us for not being too worried that the word "privileged" makes a coddled straight person feel uncomfortable. How about me, who is totally comfortable, but still hates the word with the fire of a nova? Calling someone a "privileged white person" has the same affect as me calling someone "A typical angry black man". No matter what grain of truth there is in the statement, it is still aggressive and insulting to everyone in that demographic. There is no way I hear that phrase and side with the person who said it. It is a shitty way to argue the point and only serves to alienate everyone in that demographic. Do you feel entitled to only have heterosexuals displayed in the media and do you feel that any representation of homosexuality is "shoving it in your face?" If yes, then you are privileged and idc if you're insulted cause you lack perspective and are kinda a dick. If no, then you are not privileged and you shouldn't be getting bent out of shape about that word because no one is using it to describe you. I don't are what characters are on screen and only want good writing and TV. And if you are using the phrase as an insult, then call it and insult. Don't use some argument to justify why a straight person is privileged, because you end up roping in the people who totally support gays and insulting them too. In short, just call the guy a douche and move on. Or just call him a typical privileged straight asshole, so everyone knows you are insulting him and not all straight people. You're being insulted by a word that doesn't even apply to you. I...don't really know how to help you. Dude, it doesn't matter if you are privileged and aware of it, or privileged and ignorant, if you are an english speaking, white, male, heterosexual, you are privileged. You lead a privileged life, and being aware of it doesn't stop it being the case, the word -does- apply to him, and it -does- apply to me, and it -does- apply to a lot of other people who are on -your side- of the debate. Read what he is saying again. So then why is it an insult? Why are they taking offense to it? Because if I used it in the phrase "privileged rich kids" its a pejorative. Just like I use the word "Hun" with a woman I am mad at, it is a pejorative. Context is king with these words. It's an incorrectly applied pejorative because the kids didn't choose to be rich. They had no say in that part of their life experience. But we'd say they'd have trouble empathizing with poor kids, and in that regard we mean they are privileged. If they are insulted by that then...they're idiots who don't understand what words mean. And I do realize I've sorta split off into two lines of thought here. Yes, every straight white male is privileged. But I only ever bring it up as an issue or even really thing about it when they get offended by any representation other than heterosexuality. This is horrible comparison rich healthy person who never had trouble in his life is privileged, straight white male could had a horrible life. The world privilege doesn't mean: has trouble with being emphatic. I also don't like this world because it assumes normal treatment as privileged. You could just tell that he wasn't repressed because of his sexuality, that would be the way to clearly say what you want to say, without offending people that have nothing to do with that, without being confusing, and divisive for no reason.
Normal treatment (Not by frequency of happenings, but referring to a solid family that isn't affected by institutionalized discrimination, relatively poor socioeconomic status, etc. etc. etc.) is a privilege. Sorry, you gotta accept it.
Fuck me right? You don't win people over or persuade them by calling them ignorant. That's the problem with privilege: with any other topic, if I don't know it, I can learn it (such as math, science etc). But since I'm straight, I'm automatically privileged and I will, in your words, always remain ignorant due to my orientation. Understanding others naturally leads to tolerance, but these ideas of privilege push people away.
How can I understand you if you push me away and call me ignorant?
Sorry dude, but on some level you are going to have to accept that you are simply ignorant and privileged. You will never be able to fully understand what it means to be a homosexual and have to go through discrimination based on your sexual orientation. You can grasp the concept, but to be insulted just because someone is pointing out that you have benefited from your particular role in society is, to be honest, quite childish. It's not like I complain when I am reminded of the fact that I have benefited immensely from being born white instead of black due to how our cultural institutions work. This is an objective fact and I am not insulted by the idea that I have actually benefited from "white privilege". It's quite ridiculous to take offense to that.
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It's nice how this debate allows us to just regurgitate feminism all over again. As far as I was aware standpoint feminism was let go ages ago, due to the fact that they came to realize that there is no universal 'female experience'. There isn't one for gay people either, and claiming dissimilarity with others on the basis of sexual orientation is pointless.
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On June 25 2013 07:13 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 06:57 Polis wrote:On June 25 2013 06:44 Klondikebar wrote:On June 25 2013 06:41 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 06:39 Klondikebar wrote:On June 25 2013 06:36 Raneth wrote:On June 25 2013 06:25 Klondikebar wrote:On June 25 2013 06:24 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 06:19 Klondikebar wrote:On June 25 2013 06:17 Plansix wrote:
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How about me, who is totally comfortable, but still hates the word with the fire of a nova?
Calling someone a "privileged white person" has the same affect as me calling someone "A typical angry black man". No matter what grain of truth there is in the statement, it is still aggressive and insulting to everyone in that demographic. There is no way I hear that phrase and side with the person who said it. It is a shitty way to argue the point and only serves to alienate everyone in that demographic. Do you feel entitled to only have heterosexuals displayed in the media and do you feel that any representation of homosexuality is "shoving it in your face?" If yes, then you are privileged and idc if you're insulted cause you lack perspective and are kinda a dick. If no, then you are not privileged and you shouldn't be getting bent out of shape about that word because no one is using it to describe you. I don't are what characters are on screen and only want good writing and TV. And if you are using the phrase as an insult, then call it and insult. Don't use some argument to justify why a straight person is privileged, because you end up roping in the people who totally support gays and insulting them too. In short, just call the guy a douche and move on. Or just call him a typical privileged straight asshole, so everyone knows you are insulting him and not all straight people. You're being insulted by a word that doesn't even apply to you. I...don't really know how to help you. Dude, it doesn't matter if you are privileged and aware of it, or privileged and ignorant, if you are an english speaking, white, male, heterosexual, you are privileged. You lead a privileged life, and being aware of it doesn't stop it being the case, the word -does- apply to him, and it -does- apply to me, and it -does- apply to a lot of other people who are on -your side- of the debate. Read what he is saying again. So then why is it an insult? Why are they taking offense to it? Because if I used it in the phrase "privileged rich kids" its a pejorative. Just like I use the word "Hun" with a woman I am mad at, it is a pejorative. Context is king with these words. It's an incorrectly applied pejorative because the kids didn't choose to be rich. They had no say in that part of their life experience. But we'd say they'd have trouble empathizing with poor kids, and in that regard we mean they are privileged. If they are insulted by that then...they're idiots who don't understand what words mean. And I do realize I've sorta split off into two lines of thought here. Yes, every straight white male is privileged. But I only ever bring it up as an issue or even really thing about it when they get offended by any representation other than heterosexuality. This is horrible comparison rich healthy person who never had trouble in his life is privileged, straight white male could had a horrible life. The world privilege doesn't mean: has trouble with being emphatic. I also don't like this world because it assumes normal treatment as privileged. You could just tell that he wasn't repressed because of his sexuality, that would be the way to clearly say what you want to say, without offending people that have nothing to do with that, without being confusing, and divisive for no reason. Normal treatment (Not by frequency of happenings, but referring to a solid family that isn't affected by institutionalized discrimination, relatively poor socioeconomic status, etc. etc. etc.) is a privilege. Sorry, you gotta accept it.
Being black gay in USA is a privilege compared to being white straight male in Belarus, sorry you gotta accept it.
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I like how slowly even mods are contributing to making us feel guilty for being "privileged". This fucking "white straight male are privileged" is so simple-minded, like human beings can be defined by a vector of their color, sexual orientation and gender only. What if I never had parents, am I privileged now too? What if I have dyslexia and can't read or speak correctly?
Stop trying to put people in boxes, and stop feeling proud because you defend the other box. Boxes are precisely what needs to go away.
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On June 25 2013 07:08 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 07:06 Zenocide wrote:
I have no problems with gay people except the flaming ones who feel the need to shove it in your face, also the ones who feel the need to talk "gay". Can't you just act normal and keep your sexuality to yourself? Can you wrap your head around the fact that for them they're the ones acting "normal" while you're the one thats not "normal"? I didn't chose to be straight any more then they didn't chose to be gay.
They chose to dress and act flamboyant. There is a reason why sometimes you can tell if someone is gay just by looking and hearing them talk. And I didn't even mention anything about it being a choice or not, and I do believe it is NOT a choice.
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Dolphins have sex for fun, if you guys didn't know.
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On June 25 2013 07:15 Polis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 07:13 Stratos_speAr wrote:On June 25 2013 06:57 Polis wrote:On June 25 2013 06:44 Klondikebar wrote:On June 25 2013 06:41 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 06:39 Klondikebar wrote:On June 25 2013 06:36 Raneth wrote:On June 25 2013 06:25 Klondikebar wrote:On June 25 2013 06:24 Plansix wrote:On June 25 2013 06:19 Klondikebar wrote:
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Do you feel entitled to only have heterosexuals displayed in the media and do you feel that any representation of homosexuality is "shoving it in your face?"
If yes, then you are privileged and idc if you're insulted cause you lack perspective and are kinda a dick.
If no, then you are not privileged and you shouldn't be getting bent out of shape about that word because no one is using it to describe you. I don't are what characters are on screen and only want good writing and TV. And if you are using the phrase as an insult, then call it and insult. Don't use some argument to justify why a straight person is privileged, because you end up roping in the people who totally support gays and insulting them too. In short, just call the guy a douche and move on. Or just call him a typical privileged straight asshole, so everyone knows you are insulting him and not all straight people. You're being insulted by a word that doesn't even apply to you. I...don't really know how to help you. Dude, it doesn't matter if you are privileged and aware of it, or privileged and ignorant, if you are an english speaking, white, male, heterosexual, you are privileged. You lead a privileged life, and being aware of it doesn't stop it being the case, the word -does- apply to him, and it -does- apply to me, and it -does- apply to a lot of other people who are on -your side- of the debate. Read what he is saying again. So then why is it an insult? Why are they taking offense to it? Because if I used it in the phrase "privileged rich kids" its a pejorative. Just like I use the word "Hun" with a woman I am mad at, it is a pejorative. Context is king with these words. It's an incorrectly applied pejorative because the kids didn't choose to be rich. They had no say in that part of their life experience. But we'd say they'd have trouble empathizing with poor kids, and in that regard we mean they are privileged. If they are insulted by that then...they're idiots who don't understand what words mean. And I do realize I've sorta split off into two lines of thought here. Yes, every straight white male is privileged. But I only ever bring it up as an issue or even really thing about it when they get offended by any representation other than heterosexuality. This is horrible comparison rich healthy person who never had trouble in his life is privileged, straight white male could had a horrible life. The world privilege doesn't mean: has trouble with being emphatic. I also don't like this world because it assumes normal treatment as privileged. You could just tell that he wasn't repressed because of his sexuality, that would be the way to clearly say what you want to say, without offending people that have nothing to do with that, without being confusing, and divisive for no reason. Normal treatment (Not by frequency of happenings, but referring to a solid family that isn't affected by institutionalized discrimination, relatively poor socioeconomic status, etc. etc. etc.) is a privilege. Sorry, you gotta accept it. Being black gay in USA is a privilege compared to being white straight male in Belarus, sorry you gotta accept it.
Ok? Guess what? We're in the U.S. We're trying to deal with our societal problems. How does your comment have any relevance whatsoever?
I like how slowly even mods are contributing to making us feel guilty for being "privileged". This fucking "white straight male are privileged" is so simple-minded, like human beings can be defined by a vector of their color, sexual orientation and gender only. What if I never had parents, am I privileged now too? What if I have dyslexia and can't read or speak correctly?
Stop trying to put people in boxes, and stop feeling proud because you defend the other box. Boxes are precisely what needs to go away.
You fail to understand what "white/straight/male/Christian privilege" is.
These types of privileges do not mean that, because you are that, you automatically lived a socioeconomically privileged life.
These type of privileges mean that, because you were born into these certain characteristics, you benefited while operating in your society relative to the opposite characteristics. White privilege? You benefited within society relative to black people based on that particular characteristic in a particular way. You were offered jobs a little more easily. You were treated a little more openly that most black people. You weren't profiled by law enforcement as a potential criminal as much as black people are. It doesn't mean you were socioeconomically privileged, just that, if you were the exact same in every way except for changing that characteristic, you would've been a little worse off. This is a pretty simply concept that is explained in any history, philosophy, political science, economics, or sociology/anthropology scenario.
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On June 25 2013 07:17 Zenocide wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 07:08 Sermokala wrote:On June 25 2013 07:06 Zenocide wrote:
I have no problems with gay people except the flaming ones who feel the need to shove it in your face, also the ones who feel the need to talk "gay". Can't you just act normal and keep your sexuality to yourself? Can you wrap your head around the fact that for them they're the ones acting "normal" while you're the one thats not "normal"? I didn't chose to be straight any more then they didn't chose to be gay. They chose to dress and act flamboyant. There is a reason why sometimes you can tell if someone is gay just by looking and hearing them talk.
I don't think that this is a choice. I have no interest in acting flamboyant so I will not behave like that. I never had to think twice about how to behave since I behave as stereotypically male as it goes.
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All this talk of privilegde and ignorance.. understand this every person is different and has his own experiences calling out someone as ignorant or priviledged because he/she happens to be white heterosexual is about as stupid as generalising every gay as elton john or some other public gay person.
There are heterosexuals that had rougher lifes than most homosexuals and vice versa. But calling out either priviledged, arrogant, ignorant just because they were born that way is not constructive and is borderline rasicst.
Personally i dont care about peoples sexual orientation and think they should have same rights. I dont jugde people on whom they fuck but what they are.
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On June 25 2013 07:11 lookfirewood wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:20 Salazarz wrote:
Actually things like this banner is one of the reasons why I'm annoyed by the LGBT community or whatever you call it as a whole. :l I understand that to a certain extent, perhaps it is necessary for them to be vocal about their issues and struggle etc, but, at least in my experience, many homosexuals / bisexuals are way too eager to make a public statement out of it, and it gets pretty annoying. I mean, we don't have "straight banners" or "straight parades" or "straight pride days" - in fact I'm pretty sure that if anyone tried to make one, they'd be labelled an intolerant jerk quite quickly by some; likewise I've had the "pleasure" of watching homosexual PDA in the most inappropriate of places like work offices and whatnot - and if anyone showed even a modicum of displeasure about it, they'd be instantly called a gay hater a bigot etc etc. (And yes before anyone asks, I'd be annoyed by straight people kissing or something dumb at the end of the shift in the office too, it just... seems a lot more common between homosexuals, especially when you consider how many more straight couples are there). If we could all just agree that grown up people are free to do whatever the hell they please with that - as long as they keep it decent and you know, out of other people's faces - that would be perfect. It's true that we should generally stay out of other people's sexual lives - it's just that they should keep their sexual life out of my own life, too. What's kind of funny is that most content in the western world IS straight banners and straight parades. Try watching commercials where the couples are gay. Try watchin movies where "the man" gets "the man" without it being a spectacle of sexuality (broke back mountain anyone?). Try shopping diapers without pictures of a straight family on the package. Try asking a man if he's got a boyfriend without it being awkward. My point is that people makes statements and assumptions about other people being straight ALL THE TIME. It's not labeled "The Hugo Boss Straight Commercial", but it sure as hell is a commercial for straight people when the women gets seduced by a man with a hugo boss perfume. The pride parades is a way of getting into the ever pushing straight parade of the heteronormative world.
I don't know what you want to change? Matter of fact is that >90% of (grown) people in the US/world identify themselves as heterosexual. As such, much of the advertisement industry is tailored to reach most people.
There is no secret agenda to push heteronorms through. It just happens that most of the people are that way.
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On June 25 2013 07:16 ZenithM wrote:
I like how slowly even mods are contributing to making us feel guilty for being "privileged". This fucking "white straight male are privileged" is so simple-minded, like human beings can be defined by a vector of their color, sexual orientation and gender only. What if I never had parents, am I privileged now too? What if I have dyslexia and can't read or speak correctly?
Stop trying to put people in boxes, and stop feeling proud because you defend the other box. Boxes are precisely what needs to go away.
You don't get it. You're not privileged in every term of the sens. At the basis, it's just that if you're straight, you had the privilege of never hiding your orientation, never having to hide who you are, etc. Or your cis, you had the privilege to live your life as your preferred gender. It's just privilege regarding your gender identity or sexual orientation,
That's all there is to it, not about if you're poor or not. That's irrelevant here, of course a rich gay person have some privilege that you do not as a poor straight guy.
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