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KwarK
United States44402 Posts
On June 25 2013 07:44 Manifesto7 wrote: So yeah. I'm done. If various colours on an internet banner cause you to lose control of your shit, then get off of the site and never come back. Don't want you, don't need you. Daddyfesto laying down the law. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On June 25 2013 07:28 KwarK wrote: Can you keep your straight mannerisms to yourself? No? Because that's how you are and you're fortunate enough to have your thing be the majority thing so you don't get confronted by how ridiculous it is to tell a gay guy to stop acting so gay. This is why people bring up privilege, it's because of demands to be normal and accept the status quo when the status quo being demanded happens to be exactly what the guy doing the demanding does anyway. With that being said. I dislike flamboyancy in general. Overly macho guys, and slutty girls in public are just as tacky as flaming homosexuals. | ||
Spica
United States5582 Posts
Thank you TL, for the very fabulous banner change. It's always great to see promotion about the LGBT scene, as it is a topic usually kept under wraps in the background. As an avid supporter of the LGBT movement who wishes to see my gay friends gain equal rights in the future, hopefully this will raise positive support for all gaymers out there.  Cheers to all our LGBT friends! Fighting! | ||
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Bore
44 Posts
On June 25 2013 07:42 marvellosity wrote: 1) so what if some people put it on? 2) how do you intend to distinguish between those who do and those who don't? Why he/she cant just dislike people that he dislikes? should them being gay be reason to like their beheaviour even it bothers him/her? | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On June 25 2013 07:31 Stratos_speAr wrote: It's not dumb, because if you are deaf and blind and black, it suddenly matters when a deaf/blind white guy is treated better than you simply for being white. This shit happens all the time, and it's why "X Privilege" concepts exist and are studied. But what does calling it a "privilege" accomplish? That's my problem with it. This word sounds like you should take away from the privileged to give to the unfavored, Robin Hood-style, or privileged people should feel guilty or unfavored people should be resentful or should revolt themselves or make excuses for their shortcomings (because they're not privileged like the others) or something. | ||
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Polis
Poland1292 Posts
On June 25 2013 07:21 Zenocide wrote: Deciding what to wear, and how to talk are most definitely a choice. I have to agree, this is indeed a choice I don't recall when I had chosen to not give a fuck about clothes, and to have stereotypically male mannerism. People are bullied for acting flamboyant, you think that it is so easy to change your mannerism? On June 25 2013 07:40 Kamakiri wrote: But they are so many gay people that do not "act" gay, which almost leads me to believe that some of them are putting on the flamboyant "gayness" for show. I am not going to proclaim that this is true to a 100% but it is just this feeling that i have, however stupid it might be :/ There are straight people that act flamboyant. On June 25 2013 07:34 Signet wrote: Actually, I'm not sure that it is divisive for no reason. Social shaming has been an incredibly effective tactic for advancing a more progressive culture, and labeling dissenters as "privileged" is a reason to ignore what they're saying - which makes for poor discourse but great (in the sense of being effective) politics. You can shame them by calling them homophobic. Shaming shouldn't be based on race or sexuality. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
But what does calling it a "privilege" accomplish? That's my problem with it. This word sounds like you should take away from the privileged to give to the unfavored, Robin Hood-style, or privileged people should feel guilty or unfavored people should be resentful or should revolt themselves or make excuses for their shortcomings (because they're not privileged like the others) or something. Yea, that's your fault for adding all of the implications to the term that aren't there. However, there is a very real and practical use for realizing that "X privileges" exist; it helps us identify institutional discrimination and fix it. | ||
Pholon
Netherlands6142 Posts
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Manifesto7
Osaka27179 Posts
On June 25 2013 07:44 Zenocide wrote: I have gay neighbors and you would never know it because they act like most normal people. I also had a conversation about this very topic, and they felt embarrassed by the fact that some of the homosexual community feel the need show the gayness off to the world as if they are special people. I believe that once more people are more accepting of gays that maybe they will lose the act. When you learn that "i know someone who" is an unacceptable way to talk about an issue, you will sound a lot smarter. Until then, you sound stupid. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On June 25 2013 07:50 Manifesto7 wrote: When you learn that "i know someone who" is an unacceptable way to talk about an issue, you will sound a lot smarter. Until then, you sound stupid. I feel like everyone on this site wants to some day reach the point where he has so many posts and a name that carries so much weight that he can basically shit all over people in the most impolite way possible and, instead of sounding like an ass, just sound like he's fucking awesome. | ||
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Shodaa
Canada404 Posts
On June 25 2013 07:47 ZenithM wrote: But what does calling it a "privilege" accomplish? That's my problem with it. This word sounds like you should take away from the privileged to give to the unfavored, Robin Hood-style, or privileged people should feel guilty or unfavored people should be resentful or should revolt themselves or make excuses for their shortcomings (because they're not privileged like the others) or something. I get what you are saying, but pointing out privilege is just to make people aware on how different your life can be if you happen to of a different sexual orientation or trans*. The end goal is obviously that will be no difference, but we're not there yet. | ||
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
On June 25 2013 07:31 Stratos_speAr wrote: It's not dumb, because if you are deaf and blind and black, it suddenly matters when a deaf/blind white guy is treated better than you simply for being white. This shit happens all the time, and it's why "X Privilege" concepts exist and are studied. As far as I'm aware actual scientific research into these concepts died in the 1990's because the researchers themselves realized that is is impossible to find adequate groups for both the priviledged and the underpriviliged groups. The end result was that no generalizations could be made and every individual could only speak for himself in research. All you get now in terms of research are statistical averages for incomes, safety, you name it, but no 'analysis' or explanation takes place. Also, it's a stupid starting point for any reasonable discussion on gay rights. You start with disqualifying everyone that isn't gay from the discussion before it starts, and then pretty much agree with each other. | ||
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Zenocide
United States92 Posts
On June 25 2013 07:50 Manifesto7 wrote: When you learn that "i know someone who" is an unacceptable way to talk about an issue, you will sound a lot smarter. Until then, you sound stupid. What is with the constant name calling to anyone with a different viewpoint, and I even support gay rights. And sure thats fine if you don't believe that I live next to gay neighbors, doesn't change the fact that I actually do. | ||
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datcirclejerk
89 Posts
On June 25 2013 07:50 Manifesto7 wrote: When you learn that "i know someone who" is an unacceptable way to talk about an issue, you will sound a lot smarter. Until then, you sound stupid. Well we need to have gay friends to justify our feelings, because we are clearly too blinded by our own privilege to judge them on their own merits. | ||
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lolmlg
619 Posts
On June 25 2013 07:44 Manifesto7 wrote: Yawn at the sheeple... ... get off of the site and never come back. Don't want you, don't need you. I'm sorry but as both a mod and a poster I've never found you to be a positive contributor to this website. You never seem to handle your duties or any particular subject with class. At some point you're going to have to realize that lowering yourself to the level of internet posters you dislike isn't going to solve any problems. So as to not veer completely off-topic, though, I just want to say that I found it incredibly amusing to read the first page of this thread, then the last. Emblematic of "internet forum", I suppose. | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5617 Posts
On June 25 2013 07:44 Manifesto7 wrote: + Show Spoiler + Yawn at the sheeple that still believe gay rights is a political issue. They have been done a great disservice by the Republican / Democrat dichotomy which labels gay rights as something to vote on, rather than a human rights issue. Let's look at some of the classic arguments about why this banner is a bad idea. 1. Why do I have to hear so much about gay people? We don't have 'straight people' psa's and days and weeks and parades. Fuck you in the ear. Those straight days are every day. You know why they call it being in the closet? It is because people fear to live openly. They are forced to live their life in fear. FEAR. You know what the goal of a terrorist is? To instill fear in a population. If you can't accept gay pride celebrations because you don't feel like you are getting the same airtime, then you are a terrorist. 2. Why do gay people have to be so... GAY? Eww... Like colourful and flamboyant and talk funny. Fuck you in the eye. Why do jocks have to pop a collar all the time. Why do hipsters wear their mom's jeans. Why does any group of people that claims an identity wear something different? Everyone should wear grey shapeless sacks! I bet you go to Mardi Gras and say "too many beads! Why is there colour in the world!" 3. Gay people are gross and unnatural. To quote some moron in this thread "the P doesn't go in the B". (Which is hilarious kindergarten speak for buttsex). Fuck you in the bellybutton. A) I guaran-fucking-tee that you have jerked off to butt fucking before. B) Dicks are awesome and belong everywhere. Hands, mouths, feet, titties, armpits, chins, and butts. Dicks twitch and jerk, change shapes, and are the number one reason for using the word "engorged", my favorite word ever. If you don't want to put your dick in a bowl of butterscotch pudding, then you don't have to. But don't judge me for where I put my own dick since it doesn't affect you, and there is a traumatized Yoda plushie under your bad screaming "HYPOCRITE" right now. 4. I hate people different from me and my holy book backs me up. Fuck you in brain. Because it is broken. Is that gay person enraging you by existing? Hating people for the way they are born is not sensible, and makes you a sociopath. So-ci-o-path. Learn the word, because you will hear it a lot from the judge at your trial. 5. This isn't necessary. Gay people are tolerated now way more than before. And lots of gay people I know don't like this stuff. Scroll up. And while it is great that your friend feels so secure and accepted, their experience is not the experience of all gay people. If this wasn't an issue, it wouldn't get such a reaction. And who knows, they may experience something once their situation changes. Life is not static. An investment against prejudice now pays off in the future. So yeah. I'm done. If various colours on an internet banner cause you to lose control of your shit, then get off of the site and never come back. Don't want you, don't need you. Kudos, this is one of the best posts I've read on TL. I think it is great that TL is doing something to highlight this issue, especially given how the situation in Russia and some African countries is developing. | ||
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KwarK
United States44402 Posts
On June 25 2013 07:55 lolmlg wrote: I'm sorry but as both a mod and a poster I've never found you to be a positive contributor to this website. You never seem to handle your duties or any particular subject with class. At some point you're going to have to realize that lowering yourself to the level of internet posters you dislike isn't going to solve any problems. So as to not veer completely off-topic, though, I just want to say that I found it incredibly amusing to read the first page of this thread, then the last. Emblematic of "internet forum", I suppose. and what the fuck do you know? registered in 2011. Bet you never found Newton much of a credit to physics either, he's done nothing in the last few years. The only difference is Mani did more for tl than Newton for physics. | ||
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datcirclejerk
89 Posts
On June 25 2013 07:55 lolmlg wrote:So as to not veer completely off-topic, though, I just want to say that I found it incredibly amusing to read the first page of this thread, then the last. Emblematic of "internet forum", I suppose. Yeah, it is amusing. It goes from highly positive and jokes, to "what the fuck do you know," "if you don't agree, get the hell off the site!" | ||
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Uncultured
United States1340 Posts
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Manifesto7
Osaka27179 Posts
On June 25 2013 07:54 Zenocide wrote: What is with the constant name calling to anyone with a different viewpoint, and I even support gay rights. And sure thats fine if you don't believe that I live next to gay neighbors, doesn't change the fact that I actually do. I believe you do. However, you need to understand that when you use anecdotal evidence to discuss societal issues, it is unacceptable. The experiences of one person cannot be used to speak for an issue as a whole. That is why you are dumb. | ||
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