Suicide Notes - Page 12

On April 16 2012 23:02 Kiichol wrote:
I can understand why people with serious medical illnesses or handicaps could want to commit suicide or die.
I can understand why people who have to struggle immensely every day just to get food and shelter could wish to die.
I can understand why old people who may have just had enough of life and care not for waiting for death to take them wish to die.

But I cannot for the life of me understand people who commit suicide when they live relatively comfortable lives and still have decades to live for. No amount of emotional turmoil should lead one to thinking death is an option. It's not rational thinking. No one knows what happens when you die (despite what religious institutions may tell you). The only thing we do know is that death is eternal. So live now, while you still can. What have you got to lose? Death will find you eventually. Why rush it?

On April 17 2012 03:18 BioNova wrote:
For those that just don't get it. I suggest a listen, then a moment to reflect a possible existance like the following Schizophrenia Simulation.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=zMxD8RV3n8E

Perspective is everything.. The first time I got to listen to something like that it reflected their challenges to me in a way I could relate. I think myself into blurted random statements at times, and I thought I was going nutz, nope not even close...yet.

EDIT: My ex-wife worked in a facility where they had similar professional versions of what I linked to train faculty members.

On April 17 2012 03:18 BioNova wrote:
For those that just don't get it. I suggest a listen, then a moment to reflect a possible existance like the following Schizophrenia Simulation.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=zMxD8RV3n8E

Perspective is everything.. The first time I got to listen to something like that it reflected their challenges to me in a way I could relate. I think myself into blurted random statements at times, and I thought I was going nutz, nope not even close...yet.

EDIT: My ex-wife worked in a facility where they had similar professional versions of what I linked to train faculty members.

On April 17 2012 03:11 Angel_ wrote:


When babies aren't loved they spontaneously die. Adolescents and young adults are no different. In general, people that have support systems (that they feel exist), and people that have anything that loves them (that they feel loves them) don't kill themselves. "Rational" doesn't remotely factor in to anything. And frankly, the idea that emotional turmoil can't be bad enough that someone could consider death is just...ignorant, really.

people that have support systems (that they feel exist)

On April 17 2012 03:11 Angel_ wrote:


When babies aren't loved they spontaneously die. Adolescents and young adults are no different. In general, people that have support systems (that they feel exist), and people that have anything that loves them (that they feel loves them) don't kill themselves. "Rational" doesn't remotely factor in to anything. And frankly, the idea that emotional turmoil can't be bad enough that someone could consider death is just...ignorant, really.

On April 17 2012 02:21 Jojo131 wrote:

While I dont disagree with that notion, there are also people who commit suicide out of general unhappiness with what they have without consideration of people who live in worse conditions. That was my main/initial point for this topic, and why I still think there is room to criticize some suicide cases.

On April 17 2012 03:34 Jojo131 wrote:

You're not taking the whole argument into consideration. Rational does factor into things because there are other people who dont even have the bare necessities that another person considering suicide may have. Therefore I would argue that it is ignorant and even disrespectful to not appreciate your "crappy" life when someone else (for example here in the Philippines) would love to have it in exchange for their's.

On April 17 2012 03:37 shinosai wrote:


This is the most moronic argument I have ever come across in the discussion of suicide. And yet it keeps popping up again and again, almost as if it wishes to let it's stupidity become more well known. An analogy: If you lose a leg, you ought not to complain, because there are people in the world that have lost both legs.

While it may be comforting to you that there is always someone else in the world suffering more than you are, that in itself does not take away from any of the suffering you experience. This is the grand mistake that you continue to make over and over again. Some sort of weird presumption that thinking about others who suffer more than you somehow magically can decrease your own suffering. It doesn't.

On April 17 2012 03:11 Angel_ wrote:
"Rational" doesn't remotely factor in to anything. And frankly, the idea that emotional turmoil can't be bad enough that someone could consider death is just...ignorant, really.

On April 17 2012 03:45 Cor_Malek wrote:
Lately I've been reading a book on suicidology, named with oh so much finesse: "Suicidology". Problem is, I had to read it in a library, they don't lend it. It also was in magazine, so I had to ask one librarian for it, another processed it and it was brought to me by third - possibly an inside joke of Universe (so all 3 librarians knew what I was reading, I was one of 2 people there at the time).

Tragic as the subject might be, or maybe because of that... when one reads about a method of suicide by strangulation that involves a washing machine, or that among medical personel only anesthesiologists use exclusively injection as their method of choice (you might need to be "in the know" of medical status quo and/or slightly mental to find the latter apropriate) - I just couldn't help to giggle. And every time I did that I drawed looks from the librarians, and begun to write down the total number of losses on my part. 11 times -_-


Yeah... no...

Being rational actually has a lot to do with that In fact, most people who have commited suicide have been in a state of internal turmoil and in situation that made them prone to suicide, but did not do it and possibly would not have done it until they were inebrieted and the Rational lost to the Emotional.

Think of it like punching someone in a bar. It's not rational. But most people don't do it because they do not realize that, but because they lost control for an ever so important moment.

Which is also why though small amounts of alcohol can lower stress of cognitive dissonance in some difficult situations, it is inadvisable for people in state of that vulnerability to drink alcohol, as they can easily get fatally tipsy.

Cheers!

On April 17 2012 03:34 Jojo131 wrote:

You're not taking the whole argument into consideration. Rational does factor into things because there are other people who dont even have the bare necessities that another person considering suicide may have. Therefore I would argue that it is ignorant and even disrespectful to not appreciate your "crappy" life when someone else (for example here in the Philippines) would love to have it in exchange for their's.

On April 17 2012 03:53 Wrongspeedy wrote:


Ahh I get it now! Money = Happiness! I can live the rest of my life now without fear or regret! THANKS /end sarcasm

On April 17 2012 03:45 Cor_Malek wrote:
Lately I've been reading a book on suicidology, named with oh so much finesse: "Suicidology". Problem is, I had to read it in a library, they don't lend it. It also was in magazine, so I had to ask one librarian for it, another processed it and it was brought to me by third - possibly an inside joke of Universe (so all 3 librarians knew what I was reading, I was one of 2 people there at the time).

Tragic as the subject might be, or maybe because of that... when one reads about a method of suicide by strangulation that involves a washing machine, or that among medical personel only anesthesiologists use exclusively injection as their method of choice (you might need to be "in the know" of medical status quo and/or slightly mental to find the latter apropriate) - I just couldn't help to giggle. And every time I did that I drawed looks from the librarians, and begun to write down the total number of losses on my part. 11 times -_-


Yeah... no...

Being rational actually has a lot to do with that In fact, most people who have commited suicide have been in a state of internal turmoil and in situation that made them prone to suicide, but did not do it and possibly would not have done it until they were inebrieted and the Rational lost to the Emotional.

Think of it like punching someone in a bar. It's not rational. But most people don't do it because they do not realize that, but because they lost control for an ever so important moment.

Which is also why though small amounts of alcohol can lower stress of cognitive dissonance in some difficult situations, it is inadvisable for people in state of that vulnerability to drink alcohol, as they can easily get fatally tipsy.

Cheers!

On April 17 2012 01:17 craz3d wrote:


It's from the BW campaign...

On April 17 2012 03:45 Jojo131 wrote:

I dont think I was very clear.
The point is not to decrease one's suffering, or to say that one should not complain. It is to give them a reason to keep living and to know that there are people worse off that you can help (purpose?). That is a way of how you prevent suicide.

Also you might want to calm a bit.