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On April 17 2012 00:46 haffy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 00:38 liberal wrote:
You can tell a lot about a person's character through the opinion they hold of those who commit suicide. You either understand the suffering, or you don't. Those who think they understand the suffering but honestly have no fucking clue will have a tendency to come up with absurd explanations or judgments for others' behavior. In other words they come across as naive and stupid.
Don't assume it was out of the blue. Don't assume it's some irrational response to an event in life. For most people who do this, it's been festering inside them for years, sometimes decades. There are people who wish for an end to life every single day because their suffering is so great. If you've never experienced that or seen someone experience it first hand, then leave your ignorance to yourself. I think it's fair to say that for the majority of suicide cases you are right or could be right, but I don't think it's always the case. ------------------------------------ Single female, age 21 My dearest Andrew, It seems as if I have been spending all my life apologizing to you for things that happened whether they were my fault or not. I am enclosing your pin because I want you to think of what you took from me every time you see it. I don't want you to think I would kill myself over you because you're not worth any emotion at all. It is what you cost me that hurts and nothing can replace it. ----------------------------------- I mean I obviously don't understand what this woman was going through, and I'm not going to lie I know very little on the subject of suicide. But I think it's reasonable to say, that judging from this suicide note alone, there was no deep meaning to it. I don't think it's right to assume everyone has thought this decision through with the respect it deserves. Some people are just irrational.
Eh that note suggests to me she could have been suffering from years of abuse from this man..?
It is not something one would decide on a whim, at least not someone of a sane mind...I'll be the first to admit ive contemplated and planned my own, this is after many years of shit, not being denied the last biscuit. Someone posted thats when "scientists" consider it a very real thing didnt they? once you've planned it. Lol, guess im fucked up ^^. Lifes alot better now anyway..i just wanted you to understand its not something you just "do" like making a sandwich.
Also, to that post mentioning suicide happens when pain outweighs ways to deal with pain, i think thats accurate, but its a slow and steady process not just, cross a line and wham im jumping off that cliff!
I understand people's views on empathy for those left behind as opposed to the deceased, but very often they arent just being self-centered assholes like you all make them out to be.
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On June 19 2006 07:03 doedrikthe2nd wrote:
People who commit suicide don't deserve any respect. If you can't handle the problems in your life you are just a worthless quitter.
dude. F*CK YOU
inb4 epic ban and warnings. Please remove this 'person' from this forum asap.
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On April 17 2012 00:57 Heimatloser wrote:
thinking about suicide every now and then, heres my opinion:
what if you dont change after you are dead? if its not a new beginning or an end? thats what always frightens me.
change here and now in this life!
i know that suicide is the only priceless option for solving problems, but if you have the money you can always buy a new sports car, go to the psychatrist, get a new haircut or move to a new city or whatever. just think about it: if there is an afterlife, things are not going to be better. (i dont know the thoughts of a dying atheist, i just know that it probably scares the hell out of you when the end is all you can see;-) )
From what my Psychology teacher told me, it's usually the people who aren't completely sure whether there is an after life are the ones who are most scared of death. Apparently there was some research on it, but I've no idea what it was or anything because I heard it second hand. Anyway the summary of it is, a person who doesn't believe in God at all should have about the same level of fear of dying as someone who believes in God completely. Because to those people, they believe they know exactly what happens after death.
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On April 16 2012 18:44 CyDe wrote:
I find this actually extremely fascinating. Suicide notes are almost inherently interesting, since it is really the last message that you are leaving with everyone you love and hate before removing yourself from reality. Really says a lot about you, in my opinion.
Personally I have considered what I would say in a suicide note, and I realized that I would probably go on for pages addressing everybody I ever knew, trying to say everything I ever wanted to to them. In its own little way I am sure it would be exhilarating, since no longer would I have any inhibitions about what to filter. I could be perfectly honest, and I really wish that I could do that now without having to kill myself, just saying what I want to because it would make life so much easier.
Then you might find this interesting:
http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/death_row/dr_executed_offenders.html
Similarly to suicide notes, it's the last thing a person said before they died. Except that in this case, they didn't go voluntarily.
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On April 16 2012 16:09 DeceiverSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 16:04 SC2Phoenix wrote:M, Married, 56
Dearest Helena,
By now, the news of our defeat has reached the Earth. The creatures we were sent here to tame are untameable... And the colonies we were sent to reclaim have proven to be stronger than we anticipated.
Whatever you may hear about what has happened out here, know this: Alexei did not die a hero. I killed him... my pride killed him. And now my pride has consumed me as well.
You will never see me again, Helena.
Tell our children that I love them, and that their father died in defense of their future.
Au revoir As sad as this thread is, I laughed pretty damn hard at this. He could have some form of psychosis, you're a sick fucker.
It's from the BW campaign...
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Wow.. The lack of empathy in this thread...
I wonder if all the people here who are belching out demeaning words about people who've commited suicide are suffering their own mental issues regarding this, and are trying to push them away or so.
That's the only way I can rationalize them being so cruel.
Suicide is one of the most common causes of death in the western world. Most people on TL probably have a relative or someone they knew who committed suicide for one reason or another.
Try to act like a civilized human being next time you want to make cruel insults to dead family members of the people you're talking to.
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On April 17 2012 01:08 Capped wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 00:46 haffy wrote:On April 17 2012 00:38 liberal wrote:
You can tell a lot about a person's character through the opinion they hold of those who commit suicide. You either understand the suffering, or you don't. Those who think they understand the suffering but honestly have no fucking clue will have a tendency to come up with absurd explanations or judgments for others' behavior. In other words they come across as naive and stupid.
Don't assume it was out of the blue. Don't assume it's some irrational response to an event in life. For most people who do this, it's been festering inside them for years, sometimes decades. There are people who wish for an end to life every single day because their suffering is so great. If you've never experienced that or seen someone experience it first hand, then leave your ignorance to yourself. I think it's fair to say that for the majority of suicide cases you are right or could be right, but I don't think it's always the case. ------------------------------------ Single female, age 21 My dearest Andrew, It seems as if I have been spending all my life apologizing to you for things that happened whether they were my fault or not. I am enclosing your pin because I want you to think of what you took from me every time you see it. I don't want you to think I would kill myself over you because you're not worth any emotion at all. It is what you cost me that hurts and nothing can replace it. ----------------------------------- I mean I obviously don't understand what this woman was going through, and I'm not going to lie I know very little on the subject of suicide. But I think it's reasonable to say, that judging from this suicide note alone, there was no deep meaning to it. I don't think it's right to assume everyone has thought this decision through with the respect it deserves. Some people are just irrational. Eh that note suggests to me she could have been suffering from years of abuse from this man..? It is not something one would decide on a whim, at least not someone of a sane mind...I'll be the first to admit ive contemplated and planned my own, this is after many years of shit, not being denied the last biscuit. Someone posted thats when "scientists" consider it a very real thing didnt they? once you've planned it. Lol, guess im fucked up ^^. Lifes alot better now anyway..i just wanted you to understand its not something you just "do" like making a sandwich. Also, to that post mentioning suicide happens when pain outweighs ways to deal with pain, i think thats accurate, but its a slow and steady process not just, cross a line and wham im jumping off that cliff! I understand people's views on empathy for those left behind as opposed to the deceased, but very often they arent just being self-centered assholes like you all make them out to be.
oftentimes ppl with dissociations (like borderline?) project their own problems on people who love them (just people they oftentimes see). so maybe just forgot to take her meds. we will never know.
as to the last part, from what i seem to know, ppl who kill themselves often are really alone. maybe theres the one friend who likes to talk about her problems but dont listen to yours, and thats most they get. but as soon as they are dead everybody acts like they would have been their best friends. those are the attention whores. "i got a d in my algebra test because xxx from parallelclass committed suicide and i always have to think about that".
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On April 16 2012 23:42 Thorakh wrote:Show nested quote +But I cannot for the life of me understand people who commit suicide when they live relatively comfortable lives and still have decades to live for. No amount of emotional turmoil should lead one to thinking death is an option. It's not rational thinking. No one knows what happens when you die (despite what religious institutions may tell you). The only thing we do know is that death is eternal. So live now, while you still can. What have you got to lose? Death will find you eventually. Why rush it? It's so easy for us to say that, but we've never experienced a situation in which we were completely lost and in the dark. And who are you to say that someone is living a 'comfortable' life? You might have all the money in the world, loving wife/husband and kids and still be emotionally broken. It's all about how you feel from the inside. I find this attitude of bashing suicide disgusting, to say the least.
If you have the money to eat 3 square meals a day, sleep in a decent bed, not have to worry about someone killing you in your sleep, or any combination of the three, there are going to be people wishing they had your life. Mental illness and emotional pains aren't exclusive to anyone either, yet there are people who deal with any combination of the above and still keep going.
Suddenly life isn't so bad?
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On April 17 2012 01:25 Jojo131 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 23:42 Thorakh wrote:But I cannot for the life of me understand people who commit suicide when they live relatively comfortable lives and still have decades to live for. No amount of emotional turmoil should lead one to thinking death is an option. It's not rational thinking. No one knows what happens when you die (despite what religious institutions may tell you). The only thing we do know is that death is eternal. So live now, while you still can. What have you got to lose? Death will find you eventually. Why rush it? It's so easy for us to say that, but we've never experienced a situation in which we were completely lost and in the dark. And who are you to say that someone is living a 'comfortable' life? You might have all the money in the world, loving wife/husband and kids and still be emotionally broken. It's all about how you feel from the inside. I find this attitude of bashing suicide disgusting, to say the least. If you have the money to eat 3 square meals a day, sleep in a decent bed, not have to worry about someone killing you in your sleep, or any combination of the three, there are going to be people wishing they had your life. Mental illness and emotional pains aren't exclusive to anyone either, yet there are people who deal with any combination of the above and still keep going. Suddenly life isn't so bad?
To be fair, before i found my wife i wished i could live in a warzone, threat of death, no food all of that. Just with a family, friends or people who cared about me in anyway and didnt just treat me like shit on their shoe.
Honestly, people, humans in general crave "acceptance", love, that bond with others, being alone is terrible.
Of course people will be like "wtf? dat emokid" and not understand my way of thinking etc but as i said in my last post, its not something you just "do" its a hellalotta buildup for most people who even consider suicide properly.
Different people different things i guess, people can cope with situations better thne others
And then i found my wife 
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On April 17 2012 01:25 Jojo131 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 23:42 Thorakh wrote:But I cannot for the life of me understand people who commit suicide when they live relatively comfortable lives and still have decades to live for. No amount of emotional turmoil should lead one to thinking death is an option. It's not rational thinking. No one knows what happens when you die (despite what religious institutions may tell you). The only thing we do know is that death is eternal. So live now, while you still can. What have you got to lose? Death will find you eventually. Why rush it? It's so easy for us to say that, but we've never experienced a situation in which we were completely lost and in the dark. And who are you to say that someone is living a 'comfortable' life? You might have all the money in the world, loving wife/husband and kids and still be emotionally broken. It's all about how you feel from the inside. I find this attitude of bashing suicide disgusting, to say the least. If you have the money to eat 3 square meals a day, sleep in a decent bed, not have to worry about someone killing you in your sleep, or any combination of the three, there are going to be people wishing they had your life. Mental illness and emotional pains aren't exclusive to anyone either, yet there are people who deal with any combination of the above and still keep going. Suddenly life isn't so bad?
Yes there are people who deal with them and there are those who do not deal with it. And rarely is the difference in some strength of character or something. There is nothing free about decision to kill yourself or not in a lot of cases. All of that is nicely predetermined by the condition they are suffering from and their brains. The only thing that can change how it will end is outside pressure : drugs, other people's influence, ... . Are you also going to say about those who die of cancer that they are weak, because there are others that did not die from the same cancer ?
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Holy mother of bumps...
but anyways, sad to see so many young people there. The 60 year old with bronchitis I understand, even though I wish she'd have fought it out. But 13 years old? For "finding out?" I'm guessing homosexuality as it was severe enough to warrant suicide, but still, that was really ridiculous.
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On April 17 2012 01:41 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 01:25 Jojo131 wrote:On April 16 2012 23:42 Thorakh wrote:But I cannot for the life of me understand people who commit suicide when they live relatively comfortable lives and still have decades to live for. No amount of emotional turmoil should lead one to thinking death is an option. It's not rational thinking. No one knows what happens when you die (despite what religious institutions may tell you). The only thing we do know is that death is eternal. So live now, while you still can. What have you got to lose? Death will find you eventually. Why rush it? It's so easy for us to say that, but we've never experienced a situation in which we were completely lost and in the dark. And who are you to say that someone is living a 'comfortable' life? You might have all the money in the world, loving wife/husband and kids and still be emotionally broken. It's all about how you feel from the inside. I find this attitude of bashing suicide disgusting, to say the least. If you have the money to eat 3 square meals a day, sleep in a decent bed, not have to worry about someone killing you in your sleep, or any combination of the three, there are going to be people wishing they had your life. Mental illness and emotional pains aren't exclusive to anyone either, yet there are people who deal with any combination of the above and still keep going. Suddenly life isn't so bad? Yes there are people who deal with them and there are those who do not deal with it. And rarely is the difference in some strength of character or something. There is nothing free about decision to kill yourself or not in a lot of cases. All of that is nicely predetermined by the condition they are suffering from and their brains. The only thing that can change how it will end is outside pressure : drugs, other people's influence, ... . Are you also going to say about those who die of cancer that they are weak, because there are others that did not die from the same cancer ?
Terminal illness like cancer =/= Emotional mental illness, why did you even compare the two?
If someone didn't die of a certain cancer, I'd call that a miracle.
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On April 17 2012 01:48 Jojo131 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 01:41 mcc wrote:On April 17 2012 01:25 Jojo131 wrote:On April 16 2012 23:42 Thorakh wrote:But I cannot for the life of me understand people who commit suicide when they live relatively comfortable lives and still have decades to live for. No amount of emotional turmoil should lead one to thinking death is an option. It's not rational thinking. No one knows what happens when you die (despite what religious institutions may tell you). The only thing we do know is that death is eternal. So live now, while you still can. What have you got to lose? Death will find you eventually. Why rush it? It's so easy for us to say that, but we've never experienced a situation in which we were completely lost and in the dark. And who are you to say that someone is living a 'comfortable' life? You might have all the money in the world, loving wife/husband and kids and still be emotionally broken. It's all about how you feel from the inside. I find this attitude of bashing suicide disgusting, to say the least. If you have the money to eat 3 square meals a day, sleep in a decent bed, not have to worry about someone killing you in your sleep, or any combination of the three, there are going to be people wishing they had your life. Mental illness and emotional pains aren't exclusive to anyone either, yet there are people who deal with any combination of the above and still keep going. Suddenly life isn't so bad? Yes there are people who deal with them and there are those who do not deal with it. And rarely is the difference in some strength of character or something. There is nothing free about decision to kill yourself or not in a lot of cases. All of that is nicely predetermined by the condition they are suffering from and their brains. The only thing that can change how it will end is outside pressure : drugs, other people's influence, ... . Are you also going to say about those who die of cancer that they are weak, because there are others that did not die from the same cancer ? Terminal illness like cancer =/= Emotional mental illness, why did you even compare the two? If someone didn't die of a certain cancer, I'd call that a miracle.
Except they really are of similar severities, it's just people's perception of depression is often very different to physical diseases which are more easily tangible. There's often a suggestion that people should just "get over it" or they're being lazy or something like that, but that's not how depression works.
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I wish there were more. There's few things more interesting than finding out what people have to say before dying. Especially when it's young people you can get a good perspective on how they perceive their problems in that certain moment.
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Interesting yet very sad read. I just hope anyone who has thoughts of suicide gets help. No matter what, there is always someone who loves you.
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On April 17 2012 02:07 Barburas wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 01:48 Jojo131 wrote:On April 17 2012 01:41 mcc wrote:On April 17 2012 01:25 Jojo131 wrote:On April 16 2012 23:42 Thorakh wrote:But I cannot for the life of me understand people who commit suicide when they live relatively comfortable lives and still have decades to live for. No amount of emotional turmoil should lead one to thinking death is an option. It's not rational thinking. No one knows what happens when you die (despite what religious institutions may tell you). The only thing we do know is that death is eternal. So live now, while you still can. What have you got to lose? Death will find you eventually. Why rush it? It's so easy for us to say that, but we've never experienced a situation in which we were completely lost and in the dark. And who are you to say that someone is living a 'comfortable' life? You might have all the money in the world, loving wife/husband and kids and still be emotionally broken. It's all about how you feel from the inside. I find this attitude of bashing suicide disgusting, to say the least. If you have the money to eat 3 square meals a day, sleep in a decent bed, not have to worry about someone killing you in your sleep, or any combination of the three, there are going to be people wishing they had your life. Mental illness and emotional pains aren't exclusive to anyone either, yet there are people who deal with any combination of the above and still keep going. Suddenly life isn't so bad? Yes there are people who deal with them and there are those who do not deal with it. And rarely is the difference in some strength of character or something. There is nothing free about decision to kill yourself or not in a lot of cases. All of that is nicely predetermined by the condition they are suffering from and their brains. The only thing that can change how it will end is outside pressure : drugs, other people's influence, ... . Are you also going to say about those who die of cancer that they are weak, because there are others that did not die from the same cancer ? Terminal illness like cancer =/= Emotional mental illness, why did you even compare the two? If someone didn't die of a certain cancer, I'd call that a miracle. Except they really are of similar severities, it's just peoples perception of depression is often very different to physical diseases which are more easily tangible. There's often a suggestion that people should just "get over it" or they're being lazy or something like that, but that's not how depression works.
While I dont disagree with that notion, there are also people who commit suicide out of general unhappiness with what they have without consideration of people who live in worse conditions. That was my main/initial point for this topic, and why I still think there is room to criticize some suicide cases.
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Notes like these humble me. Shame so many people feel like theres no other option, though to be fair sometimes there just isn't. I used to firmly believe suicide was totally selfish, but really it can be something that ends suffering, and years of pain.
**Also, to those who commit suicide over "first-world" problems, I feel less sympathy as many people have said, people live in much much much worse conditions and cling to life no matter how dire the circumstances.
EDIT: You can live in a first world country and still live in horrible horrible conditions, just want to make sure people don't get offended
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I'm surprised at the number of people who seem to be ignorant of suffering and instead come up with derogatory explanations for these suicides.
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On June 19 2006 06:51 venusian.kohai wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2006 06:42 Hysterisk wrote:On June 19 2006 06:36 venusian.kohai wrote:
people suiciding are so egocentric, they all think the world revolves around them. That's so cliché. You could say the same for every person doing any number of things. Well, that is the main problem in today's society I believe. How would you explain suicidal people then, I am no zoologist or biologist expert, but I believe we are one of the only species who suicides ourselves. You can trace back their early childhood and all that psychologist stuff, but it all comes down to the ego, if they were people able to transcend from it they wouldn't be blaming their state on others. Some people try to repress stuff and build an internal wall, these people just go ahead and end the problem right away. Dying is not sad ,not living is.
BIRDS, ANIMALS, COWS, WATER-DUDES, MASS SUICIDE. MADNESS, MADNESS.
Lemmings, no!
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suicide can be misunderstood as a sign of weakness, in fact, in some situations it's the bravest thing you can do. also you can't expect to understand such people and their motives if you lived a happy and peaceful life.
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