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Barburas
United Kingdom247 Posts
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Jongl0
631 Posts
On April 16 2012 21:57 Barburas wrote: I know this is an old post, but honestly reading some of the opinions expressed in this thread has been... upsetting to say the least. That people can lack empathy for someone suffering so deeply they would take their life and so quickly pass judgement onto those that attempt/go through with suicide makes me despair. There are two sides to this and while it's sad that people think that suicide is an answer, they're not the only ones that have to deal with it. I don't condemn people taking their lives but I feel more empathy for those that are left, provided they weren't the ones responsible for it in the first case. | ||
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Kiichol
Sweden182 Posts
I can understand why people who have to struggle immensely every day just to get food and shelter could wish to die. I can understand why old people who may have just had enough of life and care not for waiting for death to take them wish to die. But I cannot for the life of me understand people who commit suicide when they live relatively comfortable lives and still have decades to live for. No amount of emotional turmoil should lead one to thinking death is an option. It's not rational thinking. No one knows what happens when you die (despite what religious institutions may tell you). The only thing we do know is that death is eternal. So live now, while you still can. What have you got to lose? Death will find you eventually. Why rush it? | ||
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XenOmega
Canada2822 Posts
On April 16 2012 23:02 Kiichol wrote: I can understand why people with serious medical illnesses or handicaps could want to commit suicide or die. I can understand why people who have to struggle immensely every day just to get food and shelter could wish to die. I can understand why old people who may have just had enough of life and care not for waiting for death to take them wish to die. But I cannot for the life of me understand people who commit suicide when they live relatively comfortable lives and still have decades to live for. No amount of emotional turmoil should lead one to thinking death is an option. It's not rational thinking. No one knows what happens when you die (despite what religious institutions may tell you). The only thing we do know is that death is eternal. So live now, while you still can. What have you got to lose? Death will find you eventually. Why rush it? I work for an organization against suicide in Montreal. I can say that people commit suicide or consider suicide because they are suffering a lot. IT DOES NOT MATTER what we think of their reasons (some of them want to commit suicide because they broke up with their girlfriend or boyfriend). No, it really doesn't matter. What matters, is how they feel about the situation, how they are living it. My job, as some of you hinted it, is to try to convince them to give themselves a second chance, that there are more to life. You would surprised, if you never spoke with a suicidal, how hard sometimes it is to make them realize that. But never judge, that's what I've learned. No matter how trivial things can be (objectively or subjectively), that person is suffering. So do your best to help him or her, instead of calling him weak Edit : when I say work, I mean I am a volunteer | ||
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jimbob615
Uruguay455 Posts
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Thorakh
Netherlands1788 Posts
But I cannot for the life of me understand people who commit suicide when they live relatively comfortable lives and still have decades to live for. No amount of emotional turmoil should lead one to thinking death is an option. It's not rational thinking. No one knows what happens when you die (despite what religious institutions may tell you). The only thing we do know is that death is eternal. So live now, while you still can. What have you got to lose? Death will find you eventually. Why rush it? It's so easy for us to say that, but we've never experienced a situation in which we were completely lost and in the dark.And who are you to say that someone is living a 'comfortable' life? You might have all the money in the world, loving wife/husband and kids and still be emotionally broken. It's all about how you feel from the inside. I find this attitude of bashing suicide disgusting, to say the least. | ||
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Kira__
Sweden2672 Posts
Everyone deals with pain, but pain is subjective. I believe suicide happens when we run out of tools to deal with our subjective pain. http://www.metanoia.org/suicide/ This site really shares my view of people who are suicidal. To quote Suicide is not chosen; it happens when pain exceeds resources for coping with pain. That's all it's about. You are not a bad person, or crazy, or weak, or flawed, because you feel suicidal. It doesn't even mean that you really want to die - it only means that you have more pain than you can cope with right now. If I start piling weights on your shoulders, you will eventually collapse if I add enough weights... no matter how much you want to remain standing. Willpower has nothing to do with it. Of course you would cheer yourself up, if you could. I believe suicidal tendencies are completely natural. It's a flaw in natures design, but it wouldn't be the first one. Suicide is not unheard of in nature and therefore hardly limited to the human psyche. | ||
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Cirqueenflex
499 Posts
On April 16 2012 23:02 Kiichol wrote: I can understand why people with serious medical illnesses or handicaps could want to commit suicide or die. I can understand why people who have to struggle immensely every day just to get food and shelter could wish to die. I can understand why old people who may have just had enough of life and care not for waiting for death to take them wish to die. But I cannot for the life of me understand people who commit suicide when they live relatively comfortable lives and still have decades to live for. No amount of emotional turmoil should lead one to thinking death is an option. It's not rational thinking. No one knows what happens when you die (despite what religious institutions may tell you). The only thing we do know is that death is eternal. So live now, while you still can. What have you got to lose? Death will find you eventually. Why rush it? This is plain wrong. There has been a famous experiment, where new born childs would only get perfect health care (food etc), but no love/contact with people whatsoever. They all died. People both need a healthy environment mentally and physically. And even though physically speaking, most people living in western countries do have all they need for living, they in fact suffer a lot mentally. Be it from a bad breakup, be it from being bullied, be it because they are in so much financial trouble that they can never get out of. People who try to commit suicide do so because they see no way out of their misery. They aren't selfish people who don't want to face their problems, they cannot face their problems. Usually this is the result of being conditioned for years that they are incapable of something, which creates deeply engraved mental barriers that do not allow them to see the world as others with different background do. To put it in primitive words, it is like you give a dog an incredible strong electro shock every time he tries to eat the food in front of him. Eventually, he will stop trying to eat the food, even if you don't shock him anymore. Sometime he will try again and survive, sometimes he will not. Is the dog smart or stupid? Is learning to avoid heavy pain stupid or intelligent? To sum it up: There has to have been a long time of suffering/supression and usually an immediate thread that puts a lot of pressure on the person, be it suddenly your boyfriend leaving you and you are all alone, be it getting fired from a job, whatever. Sure, the immediate problem does seem insignificant to you, but looking at the entire history it is just the drop which brings the barrel to overflowing. And even if you help the person for said problem, they might just try to commit suicide next week/month/year when there is an equally huge problem, as long as you don't help with the long-term problems the person has to deal with. And it is really wicked to blame the suicidal person for your loss, when you are the real culprit not having helped them throughout so much time. | ||
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Chooser
Australia25 Posts
On April 16 2012 21:37 firehand101 wrote: this thread is not helping my mood right now know that feel  | ||
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Equity213
Canada873 Posts
On April 16 2012 21:06 Nizaris wrote: i think ppl that say suicide is selfish are retarded. Sure it might not be easy for ppl that know you but if you don't want to live it's your own fucking right.It's fucking selfish of them to even say that. The dude just killed himself and you think about you feel? I think about suicide almost every day. When i see a train coming up on the street I ask myself: is this the day ? I'm 30y old and it's been 14y since i last had a girl. And every time i like a girl i get hit in the face (figuratively, meaning rejection) and hate myself for ever even thinking i had a chance. My job is uninteresting even boring. I play games all day (when i'm not working) to avoid reality, at least there i have a well defined goal. What is the point of life ? work sleep work sleep ? fuck that. This is way more common than people realize. Anyone who says your wierd for feeling that way is deluding themselves. Heres how I look at it. Lifes just a series of small pleasures: a smoke, a game of SC2, a laugh with a friend. Sure we dont have all that we want, but at least we are not dying of malaria in some third world country. Oh well, keep on trucking. Maybe life will get better, maybe not. Either way its better than being dead. | ||
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Spuntagano
Canada6 Posts
On April 16 2012 21:06 Nizaris wrote: i think ppl that say suicide is selfish are retarded. Sure it might not be easy for ppl that know you but if you don't want to live it's your own fucking right.It's fucking selfish of them to even say that. The dude just killed himself and you think about you feel? I think about suicide almost every day. When i see a train coming up on the street I ask myself: is this the day ? I'm 30y old and it's been 14y since i last had a girl. And every time i like a girl i get hit in the face (figuratively, meaning rejection) and hate myself for ever even thinking i had a chance. My job is uninteresting even boring. I play games all day (when i'm not working) to avoid reality, at least there i have a well defined goal. What is the point of life ? work sleep work sleep ? fuck that. It becomes selfish when you have people depending on you. It's just like if you would tell your wife and children you're going to buy a pack of cigs and run off to a different city, leaving them in debts and shit. | ||
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ryanAnger
United States838 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + I was an accident. My biological mother is a British citizen and my dad was enlisted in the Navy. He worked on a submarine as some sort of sonar operator. When I was 3, we lived in Iceland. My dad was deployed for ~6 months or so, and during that time, my mother sold everything she and my dad owned and bought plane tickets back to Wales for herself, my siblings and I. My dad came home a few months after that, and saw we were gone. He spent the next year trying (and failing) to get custody of us. During this time, I lived in a double-wide in Wales with my grandparents on my mothers side, my mother, and my brother and sister. I have few memories of this time. A little while after it had been determined that she had complete custody of us, she decided she didn't want us and gave custody to my father. He was essentially forced to leave the Navy (he had 9 years in the service at the time) and we moved to Michigan. My dad got a decent paying industrial job and has had similar jobs since. My mother married another Navy guy and moved to Philadelphia where she had summer visitation. We saw her for 2 months one summer and afterwards, she decided to she'd rather have nothing to do with us. From that point on, my dad was physically and emotionally abusive. Between that and wondering why my mom "doesn't want me", I became extremely depressed. I tried to kill myself when I was 12, and I would have succeeded if it weren't for my brother removing the noose while I was unconscious. My entire childhood I felt unwanted, unloved, and constantly wishing I had never been born. I've since gotten over most of those feelings, but my relationships are still fucked today. I'm happily married, but I can't help feeling like she will abandon me at any moment and I'm extremely paranoid. One of the things I look forward to most is having children of my own, just so I can do right all of the things that my parents did wrong. I should say that when I was younger I was told repeatedly by my father that he "wished I had never been born" or that he "should have left me with that stupid bitch". For a good 15 years of my life, I truly believed that I had ruined my fathers life. I truly believed that he would have been better off without me. | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On April 16 2012 16:14 SC2Phoenix wrote: Its the ending to Starcraft broodwar, how do people not know this.... T_T That was glorius | ||
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BioNova
United States598 Posts
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Kiichol
Sweden182 Posts
On April 16 2012 23:42 Thorakh wrote: It's so easy for us to say that, but we've never experienced a situation in which we were completely lost and in the dark. And who are you to say that someone is living a 'comfortable' life? You might have all the money in the world, loving wife/husband and kids and still be emotionally broken. It's all about how you feel from the inside. I find this attitude of bashing suicide disgusting, to say the least. Never did I bash it. I said I did not understand it. It doesn't annoy or anger me in any way. It confuses me. I would like to understand though. Obviously I cannot even begin to imagine what is going through the mind of a suicidal person, I guess the underlying issue is that I can't picture myself being in a similar situation. So in my inability to relate with the person, all I am left with is questions, for I cannot theorise my way to the answer. | ||
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liberal
1116 Posts
Don't assume it was out of the blue. Don't assume it's some irrational response to an event in life. For most people who do this, it's been festering inside them for years, sometimes decades. There are people who wish for an end to life every single day because their suffering is so great. If you've never experienced that or seen someone experience it first hand, then leave your ignorance to yourself. | ||
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haffy
United Kingdom430 Posts
On April 17 2012 00:38 liberal wrote: You can tell a lot about a person's character through the opinion they hold of those who commit suicide. You either understand the suffering, or you don't. Those who think they understand the suffering but honestly have no fucking clue will have a tendency to come up with absurd explanations or judgments for others' behavior. In other words they come across as naive and stupid. Don't assume it was out of the blue. Don't assume it's some irrational response to an event in life. For most people who do this, it's been festering inside them for years, sometimes decades. There are people who wish for an end to life every single day because their suffering is so great. If you've never experienced that or seen someone experience it first hand, then leave your ignorance to yourself. I think it's fair to say that for the majority of suicide cases you are right or could be right, but I don't think it's always the case. ------------------------------------ Single female, age 21 My dearest Andrew, It seems as if I have been spending all my life apologizing to you for things that happened whether they were my fault or not. I am enclosing your pin because I want you to think of what you took from me every time you see it. I don't want you to think I would kill myself over you because you're not worth any emotion at all. It is what you cost me that hurts and nothing can replace it. ----------------------------------- I mean I obviously don't understand what this woman was going through, and I'm not going to lie I know very little on the subject of suicide. But I think it's reasonable to say, that judging from this suicide note alone, there was no deep meaning to it. I don't think it's right to assume everyone has thought this decision through with the respect it deserves. Some people are just irrational. | ||
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Heimatloser
Germany1494 Posts
what if you dont change after you are dead? if its not a new beginning or an end? thats what always frightens me. change here and now in this life! i know that suicide is the only priceless option for solving problems, but if you have the money you can always buy a new sports car, go to the psychatrist, get a new haircut or move to a new city or whatever. just think about it: if there is an afterlife, things are not going to be better. (i dont know the thoughts of a dying atheist, i just know that it probably scares the hell out of you when the end is all you can see;-) ) | ||
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W0L0L0
France23 Posts
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Kimaker
United States2131 Posts
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