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On August 01 2013 05:51 fugs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:47 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:43 fugs wrote:On August 01 2013 05:36 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:34 Plansix wrote:On August 01 2013 05:32 maybenexttime wrote:On August 01 2013 05:23 Zealos wrote:On August 01 2013 05:22 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:18 Shodaa wrote:On August 01 2013 05:12 theodorus12 wrote:
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So their right, to use the "right" bathroom, because they identify with that sex, is above the right of the rest of the people who would feel uncomfortable to share the same bathroom with someone they don't identify as the same sex? A trans woman going into men bathroom risk being attacked or worse. That also means you're fine with a trans man going into a girl bathroom ? Do you even know what you're talking about ? Unlike trans woman, trans man pretty much always pass, because testosterone is "stronger" as an hormone. Well, personally I couldn't care less. But I can still see how many would be offended by a trans "man" going into a girl bathroom. There really is no need to try and shove your "I identify with my gender so now I'm female etc" into peoples faces like that. This doesn't help their cause at all. The oppressed have no obligation to be nice to their oppressers. Sorry :c And who's the oppressor? The majority that forces a transsexual person into an uncomfortable situation or the transsexual person that forces the majority into an uncomfortable situation? Your point of view is extremely egocentric. There were a lot of people uncomfortable shaking the hands of black people and letting them use the same drinking fountains. We choose not to give two shits about them and end that stupid practice, because it was wrong. This is pretty similar and you will get over it. As a black person this makes me lol. There are clear differences between a real women and a trans "women", being able to become a child is only one of them. Show me these differences between black and white people. First you have to prove you're black. You could be an impostor after all. On August 01 2013 05:43 Mohdoo wrote:On August 01 2013 05:38 Zealos wrote:On August 01 2013 05:36 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:34 Plansix wrote:On August 01 2013 05:32 maybenexttime wrote:On August 01 2013 05:23 Zealos wrote:On August 01 2013 05:22 theodorus12 wrote:
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Well, personally I couldn't care less. But I can still see how many would be offended by a trans "man" going into a girl bathroom.
There really is no need to try and shove your "I identify with my gender so now I'm female etc" into peoples faces like that. This doesn't help their cause at all.
The oppressed have no obligation to be nice to their oppressers. Sorry :c And who's the oppressor? The majority that forces a transsexual person into an uncomfortable situation or the transsexual person that forces the majority into an uncomfortable situation? Your point of view is extremely egocentric. There were a lot of people uncomfortable shaking the hands of black people and letting them use the same drinking fountains. We choose not to give two shits about them and end that stupid practice, because it was wrong. This is pretty similar and you will get over it. As a black person I could now go on and say how offensive this post is etc but I don't. There are clear differences between a real women and a trans "women", being able to become a child is only one of them. Show me these differences between black and white people. One is black and one is white. Black people also have more testosterone on average. On top of this, black people living in Africa will score lower on an IQ test on average, due to it being weighted towards western characteristics. How many differences can you name from a trans women and a "real" women. Also, saying you could find his post offensive is really dumb, and makes no sense at all. A trans vagina is not equivalent to a female vagina. Based on what I've read about how they give trans women vaginas, there's no way it feels the same or behaves the same. A trans female will not be 100% female. For me, even a hint of male is an immediate 100% turn off. God dammit a woman's vagina is absolutely none of your business. Your penis is a fucking penis, you don't know the difference between a warm ham and a vagina let alone a surgically constructed one jackass. I'm sorry for not proving to be black, I guess now I won't be allowed in this minorities circlejerk anymore A womens vagina is absolutely my business, when people like Klondike tell me to be attracted to it. No it's not your business. My vagina is absolutely none of your fucking business and I'm getting really fucking tired of people like you trying to make it their business just because I'm TRANSEXUAL! Fuck off pervert if you're so interested in vagina look one up in your daddy's magazines instead.
He said I must be attracted to trans people, I am not, because they aren't real women and don't have a real vagina.
People like you are exactly the ones giving trans people a bad name. When in a discussion, someone says something you don't like you just go BUT IM TRANS YOU PerV.
Cute.
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On August 01 2013 05:53 fugs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:50 Mohdoo wrote:On August 01 2013 05:43 fugs wrote:On August 01 2013 05:36 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:34 Plansix wrote:On August 01 2013 05:32 maybenexttime wrote:On August 01 2013 05:23 Zealos wrote:On August 01 2013 05:22 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:18 Shodaa wrote:On August 01 2013 05:12 theodorus12 wrote:
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So their right, to use the "right" bathroom, because they identify with that sex, is above the right of the rest of the people who would feel uncomfortable to share the same bathroom with someone they don't identify as the same sex? A trans woman going into men bathroom risk being attacked or worse. That also means you're fine with a trans man going into a girl bathroom ? Do you even know what you're talking about ? Unlike trans woman, trans man pretty much always pass, because testosterone is "stronger" as an hormone. Well, personally I couldn't care less. But I can still see how many would be offended by a trans "man" going into a girl bathroom. There really is no need to try and shove your "I identify with my gender so now I'm female etc" into peoples faces like that. This doesn't help their cause at all. The oppressed have no obligation to be nice to their oppressers. Sorry :c And who's the oppressor? The majority that forces a transsexual person into an uncomfortable situation or the transsexual person that forces the majority into an uncomfortable situation? Your point of view is extremely egocentric. There were a lot of people uncomfortable shaking the hands of black people and letting them use the same drinking fountains. We choose not to give two shits about them and end that stupid practice, because it was wrong. This is pretty similar and you will get over it. As a black person this makes me lol. There are clear differences between a real women and a trans "women", being able to become a child is only one of them. Show me these differences between black and white people. First you have to prove you're black. You could be an impostor after all. On August 01 2013 05:43 Mohdoo wrote:On August 01 2013 05:38 Zealos wrote:On August 01 2013 05:36 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:34 Plansix wrote:On August 01 2013 05:32 maybenexttime wrote:On August 01 2013 05:23 Zealos wrote:On August 01 2013 05:22 theodorus12 wrote:
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Well, personally I couldn't care less. But I can still see how many would be offended by a trans "man" going into a girl bathroom.
There really is no need to try and shove your "I identify with my gender so now I'm female etc" into peoples faces like that. This doesn't help their cause at all.
The oppressed have no obligation to be nice to their oppressers. Sorry :c And who's the oppressor? The majority that forces a transsexual person into an uncomfortable situation or the transsexual person that forces the majority into an uncomfortable situation? Your point of view is extremely egocentric. There were a lot of people uncomfortable shaking the hands of black people and letting them use the same drinking fountains. We choose not to give two shits about them and end that stupid practice, because it was wrong. This is pretty similar and you will get over it. As a black person I could now go on and say how offensive this post is etc but I don't. There are clear differences between a real women and a trans "women", being able to become a child is only one of them. Show me these differences between black and white people. One is black and one is white. Black people also have more testosterone on average. On top of this, black people living in Africa will score lower on an IQ test on average, due to it being weighted towards western characteristics. How many differences can you name from a trans women and a "real" women. Also, saying you could find his post offensive is really dumb, and makes no sense at all. A trans vagina is not equivalent to a female vagina. Based on what I've read about how they give trans women vaginas, there's no way it feels the same or behaves the same. A trans female will not be 100% female. For me, even a hint of male is an immediate 100% turn off. God dammit a woman's vagina is absolutely none of your business. Your penis is a fucking penis, you don't know the difference between a warm ham and a vagina let alone a surgically constructed one jackass. None of my business? Someone asked what differences there are and I specified a difference. The subject was brought up earlier asking what the differences are sexually, ignoring stuff like reproduction etc. Well, in my case, I would prefer to have sex with a 100% legit female vagina. I am doing my very best to be as non-offensive as possible, but I feel like there are only so many ways to say that the vaginas are not the same, and this difference will become obvious when having sex. And I assure you I could tell the difference between a warm ham and I vagina :p Oh I'm so sorry that my vagina doesn't pass your fucking weird creepy fertility test. Oh how will I ever get by knowing that your penis will never grace my loins? Jackass.
If you can't discuss this issue without getting offended and calling people names, why are you here? I'm voicing my reasoning for my feelings on the issue in a polite and respectful manner. Its not my job to make sure I don't offend you, but I am doing my best to be as respectful as possible given the situation.
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On August 01 2013 05:45 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:39 TheRealArtemis wrote:On August 01 2013 05:09 Zealos wrote:On August 01 2013 05:03 Shiori wrote:On August 01 2013 04:51 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 04:46 maybenexttime wrote:On August 01 2013 04:30 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 04:25 jinorazi wrote:On August 01 2013 04:20 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 04:14 jinorazi wrote:
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you should take a break, your words are loaded with frustration and they come off like an asshole.
from what i've seen you attacked every person who does not prefer trans woman over regular woman, saying if they all look the same why does it matter, even giving moot examples like "would guys fuck trans woman if there is no difference" (i mean, answer is pretty fucking obvious and if someone were to refuse it'll be based on how they were raised and not their own understanding of it, even refusing after understanding it, theres nothing wrong with that too..but noooo, according to you, he is an asshole)
my bad if i'm mixing up quotes from what i've read but i just remember klondikebar attacking anyone that does not see trans woman = real woman Lots of people in this very thread would disagree with you saying that trans women aren't real women. That wasn't just me. I was getting ornery with the morons who insisted that they'd still call them "he." And I'm ornery with you because you thought you were being super clever with your sarcastic little post...even though you contributed nothing and clearly didn't think it through. lots of people think otherwise too and it isnt simply because of shallowness and culture plays a huge part in it like or not. not everyone thinks like the liberals of USA, huge portion of rest of the world would call you crazy for calling trans woman a real woman, however you ignore all that just so you can say you're right and they're wrong. for what reasons? medical advancements that happened the last couple of decades? because of that anyone can become woman? some people like to hold on to tradition and you should respect that the same way you demand respect. you said it yourself dating situation and fucking situation is different. ever thought some cultures think one or the other is of the same? and in that sense trans wife/daughter in law is unthinkable? and that naturally transition into how a person prefers woman. "Tradition" is part of what allowed us to treat people as property. I'm not going to respect idiotic and oppressive beliefs just because other people sincerely believe them. If they aren't up to speed on how to be nice to trans people I'm more than happy to calmly explain it to them. But when they then argue that, no, they should still be allowed to treat them as less than people, I'm not going to treat their views as having any merit. They're just idiots who don't want to better themselves. I don't care if the rest of the world is a backwater, uneducated cesspool. Simple majority opinion isn't enough to make me respect idiots. Fundamentally you're not any different than those people you have been insulting for the past several pages. You're a huge prejudiced bigot yourself, the only difference being you're on the opposite side of the scale. Ah yes, the tried and true "the real racist is the one who identifies racism" argument. We've all heard it before. Pat yourself on the back for spectacularly failing to understand the basic distinction between bigotry and calling someone a bigot. Social justice is not your forte. Although I don't actually think I've addressed any bigots for a while. Recently I've been talking to people I would say have some internalized prejudices that would be better acknowledged than ignored. Racism usually manifests itself as malicious and stupid. Don't think Plansix or Shiori are maliciously or intentionally racist. Here is what racism is.Choosing your mates is not racism. Christ, it's not like I think black people or any people are inferior to other people; I just don't find them sexually appealing!!@~@~!#% For fuck's sake, sex appeal isn't a moral judgment when we're talking about the physical attributes of a person. The problem with "social justice" types is that they use hyperbolic arguments and terms to attack things that, as you yourself admitted, aren't even malicious. What's more, they aren't even anybody's fucking business. I'm not obligated to have sex with certain people. I'm not obligated to ever have sex. I can flip a coin to determine who I want to have sex with, for all that it matters. Who one has sex with is seriously a matter of personal choice/preference, and there's no objectivity involved in the sense of details. Ask yourself WHY you don't find black people attractive. That is how you can root down the racism at a subconscious level. What makes them less attractive? "I just don't find them attractive" --- Is not a reason. The reason is that you are taught as you grew up by the media and people around you what is, and what isn't attractive. You were taught that white women are attractive. You were not taught that black women were attractive. You are told constantly that an attractive girl is one that is "born" a women or whatever you call is, who is slim, fairly submissive, and white. THAT is why you will generally favor that sort of women. Wait. Wouldn't that be the same as calling a guy interested only in girls a homophobe? Im pretty speechless to be honest. So, if I find the distinct features of Asians more attractive, you would call me a bigot because I don't feel the same way about white, brown or black women? I don't know if I misunderstood your post, but I feel pretty offended by it. Calling me a bigot because I find some women more attractive then others? That's Ludacris. You just took my post, that did not ONCE mention the word bigot, and managed to decide I called you a bigot. I literally cannot be bothered to repeat the same stuff over and over. You are allowed to be attracted to whomever you want. However, if you can recognize the reason that you don't find black women as attractive, which is because of subconscious racism, prejudice, or whatever you want to call it, then it helps a great deal. And no, it wouldn't be the same as that. Sexuality is something that you are born into. As a baby, you do not find black women less attractive than white. Possibly, to an extent, there is biological evidence that you find people attractive who are similar to you, but that has a small effect compared to the institutionalized racism that society places upon you. Again: Google search for female models. Google search beautiful women. When you are constantly being told as you are growing up, that an attractive female is white, you will begin to find white women more attractive. This IS racism, but people have to stop being so scared of the world. It is ok to an extend to be subconsciously racist, I for one certainly am. The key is to recognize it and work to better yourself as best you can.
Isnt calling people racist in their subconscious, same as calling them a bigot?
Besides, using google images to prove that we all being "told" what is good, and what is not good, is a joke to be honest. Who exactly is telling us white women are more attractive? Didn't work on me it seems...I think people are more then able to make up their own mind.
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On August 01 2013 05:56 theodorus12 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:51 fugs wrote:On August 01 2013 05:47 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:43 fugs wrote:On August 01 2013 05:36 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:34 Plansix wrote:On August 01 2013 05:32 maybenexttime wrote:On August 01 2013 05:23 Zealos wrote:On August 01 2013 05:22 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:18 Shodaa wrote:
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A trans woman going into men bathroom risk being attacked or worse.
That also means you're fine with a trans man going into a girl bathroom ? Do you even know what you're talking about ? Unlike trans woman, trans man pretty much always pass, because testosterone is "stronger" as an hormone. Well, personally I couldn't care less. But I can still see how many would be offended by a trans "man" going into a girl bathroom. There really is no need to try and shove your "I identify with my gender so now I'm female etc" into peoples faces like that. This doesn't help their cause at all. The oppressed have no obligation to be nice to their oppressers. Sorry :c And who's the oppressor? The majority that forces a transsexual person into an uncomfortable situation or the transsexual person that forces the majority into an uncomfortable situation? Your point of view is extremely egocentric. There were a lot of people uncomfortable shaking the hands of black people and letting them use the same drinking fountains. We choose not to give two shits about them and end that stupid practice, because it was wrong. This is pretty similar and you will get over it. As a black person this makes me lol. There are clear differences between a real women and a trans "women", being able to become a child is only one of them. Show me these differences between black and white people. First you have to prove you're black. You could be an impostor after all. On August 01 2013 05:43 Mohdoo wrote:On August 01 2013 05:38 Zealos wrote:On August 01 2013 05:36 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:34 Plansix wrote:On August 01 2013 05:32 maybenexttime wrote:On August 01 2013 05:23 Zealos wrote:
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The oppressed have no obligation to be nice to their oppressers. Sorry :c And who's the oppressor? The majority that forces a transsexual person into an uncomfortable situation or the transsexual person that forces the majority into an uncomfortable situation? Your point of view is extremely egocentric. There were a lot of people uncomfortable shaking the hands of black people and letting them use the same drinking fountains. We choose not to give two shits about them and end that stupid practice, because it was wrong. This is pretty similar and you will get over it. As a black person I could now go on and say how offensive this post is etc but I don't. There are clear differences between a real women and a trans "women", being able to become a child is only one of them. Show me these differences between black and white people. One is black and one is white. Black people also have more testosterone on average. On top of this, black people living in Africa will score lower on an IQ test on average, due to it being weighted towards western characteristics. How many differences can you name from a trans women and a "real" women. Also, saying you could find his post offensive is really dumb, and makes no sense at all. A trans vagina is not equivalent to a female vagina. Based on what I've read about how they give trans women vaginas, there's no way it feels the same or behaves the same. A trans female will not be 100% female. For me, even a hint of male is an immediate 100% turn off. God dammit a woman's vagina is absolutely none of your business. Your penis is a fucking penis, you don't know the difference between a warm ham and a vagina let alone a surgically constructed one jackass. I'm sorry for not proving to be black, I guess now I won't be allowed in this minorities circlejerk anymore A womens vagina is absolutely my business, when people like Klondike tell me to be attracted to it. No it's not your business. My vagina is absolutely none of your fucking business and I'm getting really fucking tired of people like you trying to make it their business just because I'm TRANSEXUAL! Fuck off pervert if you're so interested in vagina look one up in your daddy's magazines instead. He said I must be attracted to trans people, I am not, because they aren't real women and don't have a real vagina. People like you are exactly the ones giving trans people a bad name. When in a discussion, someone says something you don't like you just go BUT IM TRANS YOU PerV. Cute.
He has not said that once, can you please stop bringing it up.
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On August 01 2013 05:53 KwarK wrote:
I'm not especially attracted to black girls but equally I'm not so incredibly egotistical to think that the value of black girls has anything to do with whether or not I'd have sex with them. They're actually people in their own right, even when you're not inside of them. I'm not sure why not wanting to have sex with them would imply I think they're in any way inferior.
I'm not sure why the same can't apply to trans people. They too are people who exist outside whether or not a given person would have sex with them. If your starting assumption is "they are lower value" and then you conclude from that that you don't want to have sex with them then sure, that'd be transphobic. But if you start with "I'm not attracted" and then move onto "whether or not I'm attracted to someone has literally no bearing on how much respect and dignity they deserve as a human being" then I'm pretty sure you can treat trans people like any other person you're not inside.
Unless the reason you're not attracted to them is based on prejudice. Which is what we're getting at. Culture glorifies white, heterosexual cis-gendered people...and constantly beats into our brains that glorification. You have to admit that your attractions could at least be influenced by a normative culture, and while no one is demanding that you immediately go to pound town on the nearest minority, taking a step back and thinking about why you are attracted to what you are won't make you a worse person.
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Dear Kwark, the thread went downhill fast over the last few pages, can I request stronger moderation? I read jackass, pervert, idiot and bringing one's daddy into play over the last few pages, I am sure I missed a lot...
Some really strange people in here...
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On August 01 2013 05:53 KwarK wrote:
I'm not especially attracted to black girls but equally I'm not so incredibly egotistical to think that the value of black girls has anything to do with whether or not I'd have sex with them. They're actually people in their own right, even when you're not inside of them. I'm not sure why not wanting to have sex with them would imply I think they're in any way inferior.
I'm not sure why the same can't apply to trans people. They too are people who exist outside whether or not a given person would have sex with them. If your starting assumption is "they are lower value" and then you conclude from that that you don't want to have sex with them then sure, that'd be transphobic. But if you start with "I'm not attracted" and then move onto "whether or not I'm attracted to someone has literally no bearing on how much respect and dignity they deserve as a human being" then I'm pretty sure you can treat trans people like any other person you're not inside.
Hold on a second.... are you suggesting... no, it can't be. Are you really saying that the value of a thing isn't solely determined by how much I want my penis to be inside that thing? What a novel concept!
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On August 01 2013 05:43 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:37 maybenexttime wrote:On August 01 2013 05:34 Plansix wrote:On August 01 2013 05:32 maybenexttime wrote:On August 01 2013 05:23 Zealos wrote:On August 01 2013 05:22 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:18 Shodaa wrote:On August 01 2013 05:12 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:04 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 05:01 heliusx wrote:
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wait what rights are being denied? The right to force others to accept their opinions on gender and sexuality? They can't even use the correct bathroom in most states... So their right, to use the "right" bathroom, because they identify with that sex, is above the right of the rest of the people who would feel uncomfortable to share the same bathroom with someone they don't identify as the same sex? A trans woman going into men bathroom risk being attacked or worse. That also means you're fine with a trans man going into a girl bathroom ? Do you even know what you're talking about ? Unlike trans woman, trans man pretty much always pass, because testosterone is "stronger" as an hormone. Well, personally I couldn't care less. But I can still see how many would be offended by a trans "man" going into a girl bathroom. There really is no need to try and shove your "I identify with my gender so now I'm female etc" into peoples faces like that. This doesn't help their cause at all. The oppressed have no obligation to be nice to their oppressers. Sorry :c And who's the oppressor? The majority that forces a transsexual person into an uncomfortable situation or the transsexual person that forces the majority into an uncomfortable situation? Your point of view is extremely egocentric. There were a lot of people uncomfortable shaking the hands of black people and letting them use the same drinking fountains. We choose not to give two shits about them and end that stupid practice, because it was wrong. This is pretty similar and you will get over it. Sure, you can just ignore the problem, why not... Won't change the fact that the LGBT lobby constantly does things it accuses other people of. So now that you can't with the argument, you just start accusing the LGBT community of doing bad things and oppressing you? Right...
I'm simply pointing out blatant hypocrisy. Transsexual people accusing others of having no regard for their feelings, while having no regard for feelings of others themselves. People calling others bigots and asshole while acting in an equally demeaning way. People accusing others of being ideologically/religiously fundamentalists while equally ideological fundamenalists (not being attracted to a certain skin tone is somehow "internalized racism", really?). We've seen all of this and more in this thread.
In conclusion, LGBT people are normal people, hehe, with the same vices as others. ^___^
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On August 01 2013 05:54 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:53 KwarK wrote:
I'm not especially attracted to black girls but equally I'm not so incredibly egotistical to think that the value of black girls has anything to do with whether or not I'd have sex with them. They're actually people in their own right, even when you're not inside of them. I'm not sure why not wanting to have sex with them would imply I think they're in any way inferior. But you have to ask yourself why you are not attracted to black women.
No you don't. I find some black women attractive while I find others not. I find some white women attractive, others not. Generally I am not attracted to those of Asian or Pacific descent. Do I have a deep lying racist hatred for them? After reading this thread apparently I do.
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On August 01 2013 05:54 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:53 KwarK wrote:
I'm not especially attracted to black girls but equally I'm not so incredibly egotistical to think that the value of black girls has anything to do with whether or not I'd have sex with them. They're actually people in their own right, even when you're not inside of them. I'm not sure why not wanting to have sex with them would imply I think they're in any way inferior. But you have to ask yourself why you are not attracted to black women.
I don't think he does. I think he can just accept it and say "Eh, maybe some day, who knows." Personal observations about about what attracts them to another person really shouldn't be subject to tests of racial bias. You are going to give the person a complex if they start reviewing every time they are attracted to someone and if that attraction was racist.
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On August 01 2013 05:54 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:53 KwarK wrote:
I'm not especially attracted to black girls but equally I'm not so incredibly egotistical to think that the value of black girls has anything to do with whether or not I'd have sex with them. They're actually people in their own right, even when you're not inside of them. I'm not sure why not wanting to have sex with them would imply I think they're in any way inferior. But you have to ask yourself why you are not attracted to black women.
Or you could fuck off out of my sex life?
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On August 01 2013 05:57 TheRealArtemis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:45 Zealos wrote:On August 01 2013 05:39 TheRealArtemis wrote:On August 01 2013 05:09 Zealos wrote:On August 01 2013 05:03 Shiori wrote:On August 01 2013 04:51 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 04:46 maybenexttime wrote:On August 01 2013 04:30 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 04:25 jinorazi wrote:On August 01 2013 04:20 Klondikebar wrote:
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Lots of people in this very thread would disagree with you saying that trans women aren't real women. That wasn't just me. I was getting ornery with the morons who insisted that they'd still call them "he." And I'm ornery with you because you thought you were being super clever with your sarcastic little post...even though you contributed nothing and clearly didn't think it through.
lots of people think otherwise too and it isnt simply because of shallowness and culture plays a huge part in it like or not. not everyone thinks like the liberals of USA, huge portion of rest of the world would call you crazy for calling trans woman a real woman, however you ignore all that just so you can say you're right and they're wrong. for what reasons? medical advancements that happened the last couple of decades? because of that anyone can become woman? some people like to hold on to tradition and you should respect that the same way you demand respect. you said it yourself dating situation and fucking situation is different. ever thought some cultures think one or the other is of the same? and in that sense trans wife/daughter in law is unthinkable? and that naturally transition into how a person prefers woman. "Tradition" is part of what allowed us to treat people as property. I'm not going to respect idiotic and oppressive beliefs just because other people sincerely believe them. If they aren't up to speed on how to be nice to trans people I'm more than happy to calmly explain it to them. But when they then argue that, no, they should still be allowed to treat them as less than people, I'm not going to treat their views as having any merit. They're just idiots who don't want to better themselves. I don't care if the rest of the world is a backwater, uneducated cesspool. Simple majority opinion isn't enough to make me respect idiots. Fundamentally you're not any different than those people you have been insulting for the past several pages. You're a huge prejudiced bigot yourself, the only difference being you're on the opposite side of the scale. Ah yes, the tried and true "the real racist is the one who identifies racism" argument. We've all heard it before. Pat yourself on the back for spectacularly failing to understand the basic distinction between bigotry and calling someone a bigot. Social justice is not your forte. Although I don't actually think I've addressed any bigots for a while. Recently I've been talking to people I would say have some internalized prejudices that would be better acknowledged than ignored. Racism usually manifests itself as malicious and stupid. Don't think Plansix or Shiori are maliciously or intentionally racist. Here is what racism is.Choosing your mates is not racism. Christ, it's not like I think black people or any people are inferior to other people; I just don't find them sexually appealing!!@~@~!#% For fuck's sake, sex appeal isn't a moral judgment when we're talking about the physical attributes of a person. The problem with "social justice" types is that they use hyperbolic arguments and terms to attack things that, as you yourself admitted, aren't even malicious. What's more, they aren't even anybody's fucking business. I'm not obligated to have sex with certain people. I'm not obligated to ever have sex. I can flip a coin to determine who I want to have sex with, for all that it matters. Who one has sex with is seriously a matter of personal choice/preference, and there's no objectivity involved in the sense of details. Ask yourself WHY you don't find black people attractive. That is how you can root down the racism at a subconscious level. What makes them less attractive? "I just don't find them attractive" --- Is not a reason. The reason is that you are taught as you grew up by the media and people around you what is, and what isn't attractive. You were taught that white women are attractive. You were not taught that black women were attractive. You are told constantly that an attractive girl is one that is "born" a women or whatever you call is, who is slim, fairly submissive, and white. THAT is why you will generally favor that sort of women. Wait. Wouldn't that be the same as calling a guy interested only in girls a homophobe? Im pretty speechless to be honest. So, if I find the distinct features of Asians more attractive, you would call me a bigot because I don't feel the same way about white, brown or black women? I don't know if I misunderstood your post, but I feel pretty offended by it. Calling me a bigot because I find some women more attractive then others? That's Ludacris. You just took my post, that did not ONCE mention the word bigot, and managed to decide I called you a bigot. I literally cannot be bothered to repeat the same stuff over and over. You are allowed to be attracted to whomever you want. However, if you can recognize the reason that you don't find black women as attractive, which is because of subconscious racism, prejudice, or whatever you want to call it, then it helps a great deal. And no, it wouldn't be the same as that. Sexuality is something that you are born into. As a baby, you do not find black women less attractive than white. Possibly, to an extent, there is biological evidence that you find people attractive who are similar to you, but that has a small effect compared to the institutionalized racism that society places upon you. Again: Google search for female models. Google search beautiful women. When you are constantly being told as you are growing up, that an attractive female is white, you will begin to find white women more attractive. This IS racism, but people have to stop being so scared of the world. It is ok to an extend to be subconsciously racist, I for one certainly am. The key is to recognize it and work to better yourself as best you can. Isnt calling people racist in their subconscious, same as calling them a bigot? Besides, using google images to prove that we all being "told" what is good, and what is not good, is a joke to be honest. Who exactly is telling us white women are more attractive? Didn't work on me it seems...I think people are more then able to make up their own mind.
Well, it isn't, I am racist in my subconscious., I am not a bigot. And what you find attractive is OF COURSE based on what you see in the media and hear off other people. The google images thing is an example. If you look in womens magazines such as vogue, white women are featured 10 times at least more than black women.
You are told by society what is attractive. Billboards that are up round places you visit, 90% of women will be white. These things influence what you find attractive.
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On August 01 2013 05:54 Sokrates wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:52 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 05:47 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:43 fugs wrote:On August 01 2013 05:36 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:34 Plansix wrote:On August 01 2013 05:32 maybenexttime wrote:On August 01 2013 05:23 Zealos wrote:On August 01 2013 05:22 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:18 Shodaa wrote:
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A trans woman going into men bathroom risk being attacked or worse.
That also means you're fine with a trans man going into a girl bathroom ? Do you even know what you're talking about ? Unlike trans woman, trans man pretty much always pass, because testosterone is "stronger" as an hormone. Well, personally I couldn't care less. But I can still see how many would be offended by a trans "man" going into a girl bathroom. There really is no need to try and shove your "I identify with my gender so now I'm female etc" into peoples faces like that. This doesn't help their cause at all. The oppressed have no obligation to be nice to their oppressers. Sorry :c And who's the oppressor? The majority that forces a transsexual person into an uncomfortable situation or the transsexual person that forces the majority into an uncomfortable situation? Your point of view is extremely egocentric. There were a lot of people uncomfortable shaking the hands of black people and letting them use the same drinking fountains. We choose not to give two shits about them and end that stupid practice, because it was wrong. This is pretty similar and you will get over it. As a black person this makes me lol. There are clear differences between a real women and a trans "women", being able to become a child is only one of them. Show me these differences between black and white people. First you have to prove you're black. You could be an impostor after all. On August 01 2013 05:43 Mohdoo wrote:On August 01 2013 05:38 Zealos wrote:On August 01 2013 05:36 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:34 Plansix wrote:On August 01 2013 05:32 maybenexttime wrote:On August 01 2013 05:23 Zealos wrote:
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The oppressed have no obligation to be nice to their oppressers. Sorry :c And who's the oppressor? The majority that forces a transsexual person into an uncomfortable situation or the transsexual person that forces the majority into an uncomfortable situation? Your point of view is extremely egocentric. There were a lot of people uncomfortable shaking the hands of black people and letting them use the same drinking fountains. We choose not to give two shits about them and end that stupid practice, because it was wrong. This is pretty similar and you will get over it. As a black person I could now go on and say how offensive this post is etc but I don't. There are clear differences between a real women and a trans "women", being able to become a child is only one of them. Show me these differences between black and white people. One is black and one is white. Black people also have more testosterone on average. On top of this, black people living in Africa will score lower on an IQ test on average, due to it being weighted towards western characteristics. How many differences can you name from a trans women and a "real" women. Also, saying you could find his post offensive is really dumb, and makes no sense at all. A trans vagina is not equivalent to a female vagina. Based on what I've read about how they give trans women vaginas, there's no way it feels the same or behaves the same. A trans female will not be 100% female. For me, even a hint of male is an immediate 100% turn off. God dammit a woman's vagina is absolutely none of your business. Your penis is a fucking penis, you don't know the difference between a warm ham and a vagina let alone a surgically constructed one jackass. I'm sorry for not proving to be black, I guess now I won't be allowed in this minorities circlejerk anymore A womens vagina is absolutely my business, when people like Klondike tell me to be attracted to it. "Welcome to the Klondike compulsive intercourse farm, your sexual partners have been chosen for you, please remain calm as you are strapped to this chair and forced to have sex with someone you did not choose. Try not to struggle, it only makes the process more uncomfortable for you." Lol that was acutally really funny :D. But to stay serious, they way you argue it comes off as that. Everybody has to make their own experiences you cannot shove it down someone elses throat. Especially not if you dont know that they might have a different opinion afterwards.
Oh piss off. If you thought that was my argument it's because you got too defensive too quickly and stopped reading what I was saying.
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On August 01 2013 05:54 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:53 KwarK wrote:
I'm not especially attracted to black girls but equally I'm not so incredibly egotistical to think that the value of black girls has anything to do with whether or not I'd have sex with them. They're actually people in their own right, even when you're not inside of them. I'm not sure why not wanting to have sex with them would imply I think they're in any way inferior. But you have to ask yourself why you are not attracted to black women.
Why is it so impossible to not be attracted to very dark skin? Why does there always have to be some social reason for it? I am really not attracted to very dark skin. This is also true for certain hispanic girls who are really dark, as well as some Indian etc girls. The fact that its also true for Indian people, who I see as, generally speaking, more intelligent than white people, makes me think its not from seeing black people as inferior. Really dark skin just isn't my thing.
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On August 01 2013 05:59 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:54 Zealos wrote:On August 01 2013 05:53 KwarK wrote:
I'm not especially attracted to black girls but equally I'm not so incredibly egotistical to think that the value of black girls has anything to do with whether or not I'd have sex with them. They're actually people in their own right, even when you're not inside of them. I'm not sure why not wanting to have sex with them would imply I think they're in any way inferior. But you have to ask yourself why you are not attracted to black women. Or you could fuck off out of my sex life?
What a mature and well formed response, excellent work.
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On August 01 2013 05:58 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:43 Plansix wrote:On August 01 2013 05:37 maybenexttime wrote:On August 01 2013 05:34 Plansix wrote:On August 01 2013 05:32 maybenexttime wrote:On August 01 2013 05:23 Zealos wrote:On August 01 2013 05:22 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:18 Shodaa wrote:On August 01 2013 05:12 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:04 Klondikebar wrote:
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They can't even use the correct bathroom in most states... So their right, to use the "right" bathroom, because they identify with that sex, is above the right of the rest of the people who would feel uncomfortable to share the same bathroom with someone they don't identify as the same sex? A trans woman going into men bathroom risk being attacked or worse. That also means you're fine with a trans man going into a girl bathroom ? Do you even know what you're talking about ? Unlike trans woman, trans man pretty much always pass, because testosterone is "stronger" as an hormone. Well, personally I couldn't care less. But I can still see how many would be offended by a trans "man" going into a girl bathroom. There really is no need to try and shove your "I identify with my gender so now I'm female etc" into peoples faces like that. This doesn't help their cause at all. The oppressed have no obligation to be nice to their oppressers. Sorry :c And who's the oppressor? The majority that forces a transsexual person into an uncomfortable situation or the transsexual person that forces the majority into an uncomfortable situation? Your point of view is extremely egocentric. There were a lot of people uncomfortable shaking the hands of black people and letting them use the same drinking fountains. We choose not to give two shits about them and end that stupid practice, because it was wrong. This is pretty similar and you will get over it. Sure, you can just ignore the problem, why not... Won't change the fact that the LGBT lobby constantly does things it accuses other people of. So now that you can't with the argument, you just start accusing the LGBT community of doing bad things and oppressing you? Right... I'm simply pointing out blatant hypocrisy. Transsexual people accusing others of having no regard for their feelings, while having no regard for feelings of others themselves. People calling others bigots and asshole while acting in an equally demeaning way. People accusing others of being ideologically/religiously fundamentalists while equally ideological fundamenalists (not being attracted to a certain skin tone is somehow "internalized racism", really?). We've seen all of this and more in this thread. In conclusion, LGBT people are normal people, hehe, with the same vices as others. ^___^
Just like the racists of the south, who were horrified when their children had to go to school with blacks, you will over it. Yes, we don't care about your feelings of disgust of having to share a bathroom with a transgender person. I don't like the sound of crying babies on flights, but I get over that too without wanting "no-baby flights".
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On August 01 2013 05:56 theodorus12 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:51 fugs wrote:On August 01 2013 05:47 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:43 fugs wrote:On August 01 2013 05:36 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:34 Plansix wrote:On August 01 2013 05:32 maybenexttime wrote:On August 01 2013 05:23 Zealos wrote:On August 01 2013 05:22 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:18 Shodaa wrote:
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A trans woman going into men bathroom risk being attacked or worse.
That also means you're fine with a trans man going into a girl bathroom ? Do you even know what you're talking about ? Unlike trans woman, trans man pretty much always pass, because testosterone is "stronger" as an hormone. Well, personally I couldn't care less. But I can still see how many would be offended by a trans "man" going into a girl bathroom. There really is no need to try and shove your "I identify with my gender so now I'm female etc" into peoples faces like that. This doesn't help their cause at all. The oppressed have no obligation to be nice to their oppressers. Sorry :c And who's the oppressor? The majority that forces a transsexual person into an uncomfortable situation or the transsexual person that forces the majority into an uncomfortable situation? Your point of view is extremely egocentric. There were a lot of people uncomfortable shaking the hands of black people and letting them use the same drinking fountains. We choose not to give two shits about them and end that stupid practice, because it was wrong. This is pretty similar and you will get over it. As a black person this makes me lol. There are clear differences between a real women and a trans "women", being able to become a child is only one of them. Show me these differences between black and white people. First you have to prove you're black. You could be an impostor after all. On August 01 2013 05:43 Mohdoo wrote:On August 01 2013 05:38 Zealos wrote:On August 01 2013 05:36 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:34 Plansix wrote:On August 01 2013 05:32 maybenexttime wrote:On August 01 2013 05:23 Zealos wrote:
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The oppressed have no obligation to be nice to their oppressers. Sorry :c And who's the oppressor? The majority that forces a transsexual person into an uncomfortable situation or the transsexual person that forces the majority into an uncomfortable situation? Your point of view is extremely egocentric. There were a lot of people uncomfortable shaking the hands of black people and letting them use the same drinking fountains. We choose not to give two shits about them and end that stupid practice, because it was wrong. This is pretty similar and you will get over it. As a black person I could now go on and say how offensive this post is etc but I don't. There are clear differences between a real women and a trans "women", being able to become a child is only one of them. Show me these differences between black and white people. One is black and one is white. Black people also have more testosterone on average. On top of this, black people living in Africa will score lower on an IQ test on average, due to it being weighted towards western characteristics. How many differences can you name from a trans women and a "real" women. Also, saying you could find his post offensive is really dumb, and makes no sense at all. A trans vagina is not equivalent to a female vagina. Based on what I've read about how they give trans women vaginas, there's no way it feels the same or behaves the same. A trans female will not be 100% female. For me, even a hint of male is an immediate 100% turn off. God dammit a woman's vagina is absolutely none of your business. Your penis is a fucking penis, you don't know the difference between a warm ham and a vagina let alone a surgically constructed one jackass. I'm sorry for not proving to be black, I guess now I won't be allowed in this minorities circlejerk anymore A womens vagina is absolutely my business, when people like Klondike tell me to be attracted to it. No it's not your business. My vagina is absolutely none of your fucking business and I'm getting really fucking tired of people like you trying to make it their business just because I'm TRANSEXUAL! Fuck off pervert if you're so interested in vagina look one up in your daddy's magazines instead. He said I must be attracted to trans people, I am not, because they aren't real women and don't have a real vagina. People like you are exactly the ones giving trans people a bad name. When in a discussion, someone says something you don't like you just go BUT IM TRANS YOU PerV. Cute.
How exactly am I supposed to react when some creepy internet perverts argue over the legitimacy of my genitals? Please enlighten me.
On August 01 2013 05:56 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:53 fugs wrote:On August 01 2013 05:50 Mohdoo wrote:On August 01 2013 05:43 fugs wrote:On August 01 2013 05:36 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:34 Plansix wrote:On August 01 2013 05:32 maybenexttime wrote:On August 01 2013 05:23 Zealos wrote:On August 01 2013 05:22 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:18 Shodaa wrote:
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A trans woman going into men bathroom risk being attacked or worse.
That also means you're fine with a trans man going into a girl bathroom ? Do you even know what you're talking about ? Unlike trans woman, trans man pretty much always pass, because testosterone is "stronger" as an hormone. Well, personally I couldn't care less. But I can still see how many would be offended by a trans "man" going into a girl bathroom. There really is no need to try and shove your "I identify with my gender so now I'm female etc" into peoples faces like that. This doesn't help their cause at all. The oppressed have no obligation to be nice to their oppressers. Sorry :c And who's the oppressor? The majority that forces a transsexual person into an uncomfortable situation or the transsexual person that forces the majority into an uncomfortable situation? Your point of view is extremely egocentric. There were a lot of people uncomfortable shaking the hands of black people and letting them use the same drinking fountains. We choose not to give two shits about them and end that stupid practice, because it was wrong. This is pretty similar and you will get over it. As a black person this makes me lol. There are clear differences between a real women and a trans "women", being able to become a child is only one of them. Show me these differences between black and white people. First you have to prove you're black. You could be an impostor after all. On August 01 2013 05:43 Mohdoo wrote:On August 01 2013 05:38 Zealos wrote:On August 01 2013 05:36 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:34 Plansix wrote:On August 01 2013 05:32 maybenexttime wrote:On August 01 2013 05:23 Zealos wrote:
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The oppressed have no obligation to be nice to their oppressers. Sorry :c And who's the oppressor? The majority that forces a transsexual person into an uncomfortable situation or the transsexual person that forces the majority into an uncomfortable situation? Your point of view is extremely egocentric. There were a lot of people uncomfortable shaking the hands of black people and letting them use the same drinking fountains. We choose not to give two shits about them and end that stupid practice, because it was wrong. This is pretty similar and you will get over it. As a black person I could now go on and say how offensive this post is etc but I don't. There are clear differences between a real women and a trans "women", being able to become a child is only one of them. Show me these differences between black and white people. One is black and one is white. Black people also have more testosterone on average. On top of this, black people living in Africa will score lower on an IQ test on average, due to it being weighted towards western characteristics. How many differences can you name from a trans women and a "real" women. Also, saying you could find his post offensive is really dumb, and makes no sense at all. A trans vagina is not equivalent to a female vagina. Based on what I've read about how they give trans women vaginas, there's no way it feels the same or behaves the same. A trans female will not be 100% female. For me, even a hint of male is an immediate 100% turn off. God dammit a woman's vagina is absolutely none of your business. Your penis is a fucking penis, you don't know the difference between a warm ham and a vagina let alone a surgically constructed one jackass. None of my business? Someone asked what differences there are and I specified a difference. The subject was brought up earlier asking what the differences are sexually, ignoring stuff like reproduction etc. Well, in my case, I would prefer to have sex with a 100% legit female vagina. I am doing my very best to be as non-offensive as possible, but I feel like there are only so many ways to say that the vaginas are not the same, and this difference will become obvious when having sex. And I assure you I could tell the difference between a warm ham and I vagina :p Oh I'm so sorry that my vagina doesn't pass your fucking weird creepy fertility test. Oh how will I ever get by knowing that your penis will never grace my loins? Jackass. If you can't discuss this issue without getting offended and calling people names, why are you here? I'm voicing my reasoning for my feelings on the issue in a polite and respectful manner. Its not my job to make sure I don't offend you, but I am doing my best to be as respectful as possible given the situation.
No you aren't voicing your opinion in a reasonable or respectful manner. You're being a condescending, transphobic, douche and if that's you trying to be respectful then I feel really bad for anyone that comes into contact with you.
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On August 01 2013 06:01 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:59 KwarK wrote:On August 01 2013 05:54 Zealos wrote:On August 01 2013 05:53 KwarK wrote:
I'm not especially attracted to black girls but equally I'm not so incredibly egotistical to think that the value of black girls has anything to do with whether or not I'd have sex with them. They're actually people in their own right, even when you're not inside of them. I'm not sure why not wanting to have sex with them would imply I think they're in any way inferior. But you have to ask yourself why you are not attracted to black women. Or you could fuck off out of my sex life? What a mature and well formed response, excellent work.
Maybe you shouldn't ask people that question? You haven't received a positive response yet. I mean, its not like people can control who they are attracted to.
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On August 01 2013 05:59 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:57 TheRealArtemis wrote:On August 01 2013 05:45 Zealos wrote:On August 01 2013 05:39 TheRealArtemis wrote:On August 01 2013 05:09 Zealos wrote:On August 01 2013 05:03 Shiori wrote:On August 01 2013 04:51 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 04:46 maybenexttime wrote:On August 01 2013 04:30 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 04:25 jinorazi wrote:
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lots of people think otherwise too and it isnt simply because of shallowness and culture plays a huge part in it like or not. not everyone thinks like the liberals of USA, huge portion of rest of the world would call you crazy for calling trans woman a real woman, however you ignore all that just so you can say you're right and they're wrong. for what reasons? medical advancements that happened the last couple of decades? because of that anyone can become woman? some people like to hold on to tradition and you should respect that the same way you demand respect. you said it yourself dating situation and fucking situation is different. ever thought some cultures think one or the other is of the same? and in that sense trans wife/daughter in law is unthinkable? and that naturally transition into how a person prefers woman. "Tradition" is part of what allowed us to treat people as property. I'm not going to respect idiotic and oppressive beliefs just because other people sincerely believe them. If they aren't up to speed on how to be nice to trans people I'm more than happy to calmly explain it to them. But when they then argue that, no, they should still be allowed to treat them as less than people, I'm not going to treat their views as having any merit. They're just idiots who don't want to better themselves. I don't care if the rest of the world is a backwater, uneducated cesspool. Simple majority opinion isn't enough to make me respect idiots. Fundamentally you're not any different than those people you have been insulting for the past several pages. You're a huge prejudiced bigot yourself, the only difference being you're on the opposite side of the scale. Ah yes, the tried and true "the real racist is the one who identifies racism" argument. We've all heard it before. Pat yourself on the back for spectacularly failing to understand the basic distinction between bigotry and calling someone a bigot. Social justice is not your forte. Although I don't actually think I've addressed any bigots for a while. Recently I've been talking to people I would say have some internalized prejudices that would be better acknowledged than ignored. Racism usually manifests itself as malicious and stupid. Don't think Plansix or Shiori are maliciously or intentionally racist. Here is what racism is.Choosing your mates is not racism. Christ, it's not like I think black people or any people are inferior to other people; I just don't find them sexually appealing!!@~@~!#% For fuck's sake, sex appeal isn't a moral judgment when we're talking about the physical attributes of a person. The problem with "social justice" types is that they use hyperbolic arguments and terms to attack things that, as you yourself admitted, aren't even malicious. What's more, they aren't even anybody's fucking business. I'm not obligated to have sex with certain people. I'm not obligated to ever have sex. I can flip a coin to determine who I want to have sex with, for all that it matters. Who one has sex with is seriously a matter of personal choice/preference, and there's no objectivity involved in the sense of details. Ask yourself WHY you don't find black people attractive. That is how you can root down the racism at a subconscious level. What makes them less attractive? "I just don't find them attractive" --- Is not a reason. The reason is that you are taught as you grew up by the media and people around you what is, and what isn't attractive. You were taught that white women are attractive. You were not taught that black women were attractive. You are told constantly that an attractive girl is one that is "born" a women or whatever you call is, who is slim, fairly submissive, and white. THAT is why you will generally favor that sort of women. Wait. Wouldn't that be the same as calling a guy interested only in girls a homophobe? Im pretty speechless to be honest. So, if I find the distinct features of Asians more attractive, you would call me a bigot because I don't feel the same way about white, brown or black women? I don't know if I misunderstood your post, but I feel pretty offended by it. Calling me a bigot because I find some women more attractive then others? That's Ludacris. You just took my post, that did not ONCE mention the word bigot, and managed to decide I called you a bigot. I literally cannot be bothered to repeat the same stuff over and over. You are allowed to be attracted to whomever you want. However, if you can recognize the reason that you don't find black women as attractive, which is because of subconscious racism, prejudice, or whatever you want to call it, then it helps a great deal. And no, it wouldn't be the same as that. Sexuality is something that you are born into. As a baby, you do not find black women less attractive than white. Possibly, to an extent, there is biological evidence that you find people attractive who are similar to you, but that has a small effect compared to the institutionalized racism that society places upon you. Again: Google search for female models. Google search beautiful women. When you are constantly being told as you are growing up, that an attractive female is white, you will begin to find white women more attractive. This IS racism, but people have to stop being so scared of the world. It is ok to an extend to be subconsciously racist, I for one certainly am. The key is to recognize it and work to better yourself as best you can. Isnt calling people racist in their subconscious, same as calling them a bigot? Besides, using google images to prove that we all being "told" what is good, and what is not good, is a joke to be honest. Who exactly is telling us white women are more attractive? Didn't work on me it seems...I think people are more then able to make up their own mind. Well, it isn't, I am racist in my subconscious., I am not a bigot. And what you find attractive is OF COURSE based on what you see in the media and hear off other people. The google images thing is an example. If you look in womens magazines such as vogue, white women are featured 10 times at least more than black women. You are told by society what is attractive. Billboards that are up round places you visit, 90% of women will be white. These things influence what you find attractive.
I expect the collective purchasing power of white women is 9x more than that of black women for demographic and economic reasons. This isn't racism in action. In the UK most people, outside of a few areas, are white. Particularly in my town.
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On August 01 2013 06:00 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:54 Zealos wrote:On August 01 2013 05:53 KwarK wrote:
I'm not especially attracted to black girls but equally I'm not so incredibly egotistical to think that the value of black girls has anything to do with whether or not I'd have sex with them. They're actually people in their own right, even when you're not inside of them. I'm not sure why not wanting to have sex with them would imply I think they're in any way inferior. But you have to ask yourself why you are not attracted to black women. Why is it so impossible to not be attracted to very dark skin? Why does there always have to be some social reason for it? I am really not attracted to very dark skin. This is also true for certain hispanic girls who are really dark, as well as some Indian etc girls. The fact that its also true for Indian people, who I see as, generally speaking, more intelligent than white people, makes me think its not from seeing black people as inferior. Really dark skin just isn't my thing.
But why isn't it your thing.
No one is saying you have to find black women attractive. But you have to acknowledge why you find them more or less attractive then white women. Believe it or not, peoples perception of attractiveness is HEAVILY influenced by what they are told and shown as they grow up, and as they live their lives. Society in general will tell you that white women are more attractive than black. It's sad, it's not your fault as such, but acknowledging it goes a long way as to alleviating the problem.
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