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On August 01 2013 05:23 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:22 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:18 Shodaa wrote:On August 01 2013 05:12 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:04 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 05:01 heliusx wrote:On August 01 2013 04:58 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 04:54 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 04:43 heliusx wrote:
I don't think the transgender people in here would be happy with anything short of people accepting their viewpoint that transgender are exactly the same as someone born that way. Is this correct? It would explain a lot. But they aren't exactly the same, why can't they just accept it? When I refer to them as different, it's not in a demeaning way, it's just calling it for it is. Why won't people just believe my completely unfounded, disproven, and untrue claims for which I have no evidence?! I'm not being insulting! I just think we should deny people certain rights based on an opinion I formed of them 5 minutes ago! wait what rights are being denied? The right to force others to accept their opinions on gender and sexuality? They can't even use the correct bathroom in most states... So their right, to use the "right" bathroom, because they identify with that sex, is above the right of the rest of the people who would feel uncomfortable to share the same bathroom with someone they don't identify as the same sex? A trans woman going into men bathroom risk being attacked or worse. That also means you're fine with a trans man going into a girl bathroom ? Do you even know what you're talking about ? Unlike trans woman, trans man pretty much always pass, because testosterone is "stronger" as an hormone. Well, personally I couldn't care less. But I can still see how many would be offended by a trans "man" going into a girl bathroom. There really is no need to try and shove your "I identify with my gender so now I'm female etc" into peoples faces like that. This doesn't help their cause at all. The oppressed have no obligation to be nice to their oppressers. Sorry :c
Having to use the bathroom with the sign for your sex on the door is being oppressed? As a black person I can only laugh about this.
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On August 01 2013 05:17 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:14 heliusx wrote:On August 01 2013 05:04 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 05:01 heliusx wrote:On August 01 2013 04:58 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 04:54 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 04:43 heliusx wrote:
I don't think the transgender people in here would be happy with anything short of people accepting their viewpoint that transgender are exactly the same as someone born that way. Is this correct? It would explain a lot. But they aren't exactly the same, why can't they just accept it? When I refer to them as different, it's not in a demeaning way, it's just calling it for it is. Why won't people just believe my completely unfounded, disproven, and untrue claims for which I have no evidence?! I'm not being insulting! I just think we should deny people certain rights based on an opinion I formed of them 5 minutes ago! wait what rights are being denied? The right to force others to accept their opinions on gender and sexuality? They can't even use the correct bathroom in most states... Well that's obviously the wrong way to treat someone. I don't want to deny anything of transgendered people but it doesn't change the fact I wouldn't want to be with someone if they were transgender. Call me a bigot all you want, I would still support them in wanting to be treated equally as people. This is something different. Being able to recognize your own prejudices makes it an entirely different thing. It isn't perfect, but it will help to lower the problems that minorities face a LOT. I do not find black women nearly as attractive as white women. This is because I am prejudiced. I will try my best to not act upon my prejudice as best I can, and I will try to teach others to not be prejudiced.
How do you make the difference between prejudice and preference? People end up finding certain characteristics attractive in another person, skin tone seems as valid as any of them.
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On August 01 2013 05:22 theodorus12 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:18 Shodaa wrote:On August 01 2013 05:12 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:04 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 05:01 heliusx wrote:On August 01 2013 04:58 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 04:54 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 04:43 heliusx wrote:
I don't think the transgender people in here would be happy with anything short of people accepting their viewpoint that transgender are exactly the same as someone born that way. Is this correct? It would explain a lot. But they aren't exactly the same, why can't they just accept it? When I refer to them as different, it's not in a demeaning way, it's just calling it for it is. Why won't people just believe my completely unfounded, disproven, and untrue claims for which I have no evidence?! I'm not being insulting! I just think we should deny people certain rights based on an opinion I formed of them 5 minutes ago! wait what rights are being denied? The right to force others to accept their opinions on gender and sexuality? They can't even use the correct bathroom in most states... So their right, to use the "right" bathroom, because they identify with that sex, is above the right of the rest of the people who would feel uncomfortable to share the same bathroom with someone they don't identify as the same sex? A trans woman going into men bathroom risk being attacked or worse. That also means you're fine with a trans man going into a girl bathroom ? Do you even know what you're talking about ? Unlike trans woman, trans man pretty much always pass, because testosterone is "stronger" as an hormone. Well, personally I couldn't care less. But I can still see how many would be offended by a trans "man" going into a girl bathroom. There really is no need to try and shove your "I identify with my gender so now I'm female etc" into peoples faces like that. This doesn't help their cause at all.
And you're not helping by putting quotation marks around our identities, dick.
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On August 01 2013 05:19 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:14 Sokrates wrote:On August 01 2013 05:02 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 04:58 Sokrates wrote:On August 01 2013 04:30 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 04:25 jinorazi wrote:On August 01 2013 04:20 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 04:14 jinorazi wrote:On August 01 2013 03:58 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 03:53 jinorazi wrote:
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it seems you're against anyone having preference o.O
dont like fat girls? asshole. dont like tall girls? asshole. dont like perfectly fine "real" woman trans? asshole. Well I'm certainly against people posting in threads who have zero reading comprehension. At no point have I ever said that preferences were bad, in fact, I even listed some of my own. I think that reducing someone's attractiveness to one quality and judging them based entirely on that is stupid. "I do not prefer tall people" is not the same as saying "tall people are unattractive." In the former, you evaluate the person as a whole and their height contributes negatively to your overall perception of their attractiveness. In the latter, you've ignored everything else about their appearance and judged them as unattractive based on one quality. See, if I were to evaluate you, I would say I do not prefer dumbasses who can't read. This would contribute negatively to my perception of your attractiveness since you have, in fact, been a dumbass. See how that works? you should take a break, your words are loaded with frustration and they come off like an asshole. from what i've seen you attacked every person who does not prefer trans woman over regular woman, saying if they all look the same why does it matter, even giving moot examples like "would guys fuck trans woman if there is no difference" (i mean, answer is pretty fucking obvious and if someone were to refuse it'll be based on how they were raised and not their own understanding of it, even refusing after understanding it, theres nothing wrong with that too..but noooo, according to you, he is an asshole) my bad if i'm mixing up quotes from what i've read but i just remember klondikebar attacking anyone that does not see trans woman = real woman Lots of people in this very thread would disagree with you saying that trans women aren't real women. That wasn't just me. I was getting ornery with the morons who insisted that they'd still call them "he." And I'm ornery with you because you thought you were being super clever with your sarcastic little post...even though you contributed nothing and clearly didn't think it through. lots of people think otherwise too and it isnt simply because of shallowness and culture plays a huge part in it like or not. not everyone thinks like the liberals of USA, huge portion of rest of the world would call you crazy for calling trans woman a real woman, however you ignore all that just so you can say you're right and they're wrong. for what reasons? medical advancements that happened the last couple of decades? because of that anyone can become woman? some people like to hold on to tradition and you should respect that the same way you demand respect. you said it yourself dating situation and fucking situation is different. ever thought some cultures think one or the other is of the same? and in that sense trans wife/daughter in law is unthinkable? and that naturally transition into how a person prefers woman. "Tradition" is part of what allowed us to treat people as property. I'm not going to respect idiotic and oppressive beliefs just because other people sincerely believe them. If they aren't up to speed on how to be nice to trans people I'm more than happy to calmly explain it to them. But when they then argue that, no, they should still be allowed to treat them as less than people, I'm not going to treat their views as having any merit. They're just idiots who don't want to better themselves. I don't care if the rest of the world is a backwater, uneducated cesspool. Simple majority opinion isn't enough to make me respect idiots. Isnt it somehow ironic if you call people assholes if they do not share the exact opinion like you. Isnt it somehow ironic that you call people assholes because they do not share the same view on sexuality like you? Isnt it a bit fucked up that you insult people for having one "problematic" view. You call them bigots because they say "i wouldnt fuck a trans women" instead of "i dont prefer trans women". Isnt this a fucking minor thing just like you call them out for by them "degrading" poeple on another minor thing? You call someone an asshole because he/she MAYBE has a narrow point of view on a certain topic? Are you so full of yourself that you cant see the irony here? Because their opinions have translated into laws and practices that seriously damage a minority group. And maybe...just maybe if you come into a thread about LGBT rights, you're gonna have to deal with the minutia of language about LGBT rights...maybe. Isn't it ironic that you write a wall of rhetorical questions without making a single point? Oh wait, no it isn't. Because that's not the definition of irony. Irony is someone with your name being so utterly bad at making a point. The irony is that you insult people for a fucking minor thing. A minor thing you dont like about another person. That is the irony dagobert duck. And dont make up that bullshit with the laws and practises. Saying "i wouldnt fuck a trans women" isnt exactly preventing anyone from having equal rights. You can call it narrow minded because they havent seen every trans women and then maybe they would rethink their point of view, or they wont. It is something they have to find out themselves. I thought that i would never read harry potter, then i read it and i liked it. Shit, that statement before was just one step before wanting to burn all harry potter books. You cannt shove down your opinion someone elses throat because you made a different experience. They have to make they experience themselves or not. You can tell a kid "dont put your fingers on the heated plate", it will most likely do it anyway. And then learn, or not. Whatever. And like i said before "tolerance" doesnt mean you have to be positive about it, or like it, or embrace it, it just means you have to ACCEPT it. I'm not forcing anyone to go to a breeding camp dingbat. I'm saying that when they say "I would never fuck a trans woman" they immediately cut themselves off from having a different experience. Try to keep up please. Your analogies are bad. Your points are bad. Just stick to reading. When you respond you barely make sense and you just muddy the waters.
What? OFC THEY ARE CUTTING THEM OFF IMmEDIATELLY. Ofc, because if someone makes this statement this is true for the existence of time.
1.You have no fucking obligation to make a certain experience. If i say i wont ever play sims then i dont have to fucking play sims. Nobody is hurt if i dont play sims. Maybe it is a fucking great game and i miss out but that is my loss and nobody elses.
2.You are just making up so much shit. I never thought i would smoke, i m a smoker now. I thought i would never ever read harry potter, I read harry potter. I thought i would never fuck a fat chick, i did. I thought i would never kiss a man, i did for a fucking beer.
So where is your fucking point now? Just because someone says "i will never ever do this or that" that means exactly jackshit. Peoples opinions change or not. And nobody is FORCED to make a experience they dont like or think they wont like. Nobody is hurt by that.
You are just making up shit so your arguments wont look more and more pathetic. You throw around insults like a mad man, you just dig your grave deeper and deeper.
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On August 01 2013 05:28 Derez wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:17 Zealos wrote:On August 01 2013 05:14 heliusx wrote:On August 01 2013 05:04 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 05:01 heliusx wrote:On August 01 2013 04:58 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 04:54 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 04:43 heliusx wrote:
I don't think the transgender people in here would be happy with anything short of people accepting their viewpoint that transgender are exactly the same as someone born that way. Is this correct? It would explain a lot. But they aren't exactly the same, why can't they just accept it? When I refer to them as different, it's not in a demeaning way, it's just calling it for it is. Why won't people just believe my completely unfounded, disproven, and untrue claims for which I have no evidence?! I'm not being insulting! I just think we should deny people certain rights based on an opinion I formed of them 5 minutes ago! wait what rights are being denied? The right to force others to accept their opinions on gender and sexuality? They can't even use the correct bathroom in most states... Well that's obviously the wrong way to treat someone. I don't want to deny anything of transgendered people but it doesn't change the fact I wouldn't want to be with someone if they were transgender. Call me a bigot all you want, I would still support them in wanting to be treated equally as people. This is something different. Being able to recognize your own prejudices makes it an entirely different thing. It isn't perfect, but it will help to lower the problems that minorities face a LOT. I do not find black women nearly as attractive as white women. This is because I am prejudiced. I will try my best to not act upon my prejudice as best I can, and I will try to teach others to not be prejudiced. How do you make the difference between prejudice and preference? People end up finding certain characteristics attractive in another person, skin tone seems as valid as any of them.
A preference is one of many factors you use to judge a person. You may not prefer black people but it is possible that you could find a black person who was attractive because they had other qualities you preferred and they ended up, in total, being attractive to you.
A prejudice is when you just someone by one factor alone. They are black. I do not find them attractive. And nothing else about them changes that opinion.
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On August 01 2013 05:28 fugs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:22 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:18 Shodaa wrote:On August 01 2013 05:12 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:04 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 05:01 heliusx wrote:On August 01 2013 04:58 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 04:54 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 04:43 heliusx wrote:
I don't think the transgender people in here would be happy with anything short of people accepting their viewpoint that transgender are exactly the same as someone born that way. Is this correct? It would explain a lot. But they aren't exactly the same, why can't they just accept it? When I refer to them as different, it's not in a demeaning way, it's just calling it for it is. Why won't people just believe my completely unfounded, disproven, and untrue claims for which I have no evidence?! I'm not being insulting! I just think we should deny people certain rights based on an opinion I formed of them 5 minutes ago! wait what rights are being denied? The right to force others to accept their opinions on gender and sexuality? They can't even use the correct bathroom in most states... So their right, to use the "right" bathroom, because they identify with that sex, is above the right of the rest of the people who would feel uncomfortable to share the same bathroom with someone they don't identify as the same sex? A trans woman going into men bathroom risk being attacked or worse. That also means you're fine with a trans man going into a girl bathroom ? Do you even know what you're talking about ? Unlike trans woman, trans man pretty much always pass, because testosterone is "stronger" as an hormone. Well, personally I couldn't care less. But I can still see how many would be offended by a trans "man" going into a girl bathroom. There really is no need to try and shove your "I identify with my gender so now I'm female etc" into peoples faces like that. This doesn't help their cause at all. And you're not helping by putting quotation marks around our identities, dick.
Why? I already said that just feeling female will not make you female. There are clear definitions.
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On August 01 2013 05:23 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:22 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:18 Shodaa wrote:On August 01 2013 05:12 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:04 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 05:01 heliusx wrote:On August 01 2013 04:58 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 04:54 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 04:43 heliusx wrote:
I don't think the transgender people in here would be happy with anything short of people accepting their viewpoint that transgender are exactly the same as someone born that way. Is this correct? It would explain a lot. But they aren't exactly the same, why can't they just accept it? When I refer to them as different, it's not in a demeaning way, it's just calling it for it is. Why won't people just believe my completely unfounded, disproven, and untrue claims for which I have no evidence?! I'm not being insulting! I just think we should deny people certain rights based on an opinion I formed of them 5 minutes ago! wait what rights are being denied? The right to force others to accept their opinions on gender and sexuality? They can't even use the correct bathroom in most states... So their right, to use the "right" bathroom, because they identify with that sex, is above the right of the rest of the people who would feel uncomfortable to share the same bathroom with someone they don't identify as the same sex? A trans woman going into men bathroom risk being attacked or worse. That also means you're fine with a trans man going into a girl bathroom ? Do you even know what you're talking about ? Unlike trans woman, trans man pretty much always pass, because testosterone is "stronger" as an hormone. Well, personally I couldn't care less. But I can still see how many would be offended by a trans "man" going into a girl bathroom. There really is no need to try and shove your "I identify with my gender so now I'm female etc" into peoples faces like that. This doesn't help their cause at all. The oppressed have no obligation to be nice to their oppressers. Sorry :c
And who's the oppressor? The majority that forces a transsexual person into an uncomfortable situation or the transsexual person that forces the majority into an uncomfortable situation? Your point of view is extremely egocentric.
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On August 01 2013 05:28 Derez wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:17 Zealos wrote:On August 01 2013 05:14 heliusx wrote:On August 01 2013 05:04 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 05:01 heliusx wrote:On August 01 2013 04:58 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 04:54 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 04:43 heliusx wrote:
I don't think the transgender people in here would be happy with anything short of people accepting their viewpoint that transgender are exactly the same as someone born that way. Is this correct? It would explain a lot. But they aren't exactly the same, why can't they just accept it? When I refer to them as different, it's not in a demeaning way, it's just calling it for it is. Why won't people just believe my completely unfounded, disproven, and untrue claims for which I have no evidence?! I'm not being insulting! I just think we should deny people certain rights based on an opinion I formed of them 5 minutes ago! wait what rights are being denied? The right to force others to accept their opinions on gender and sexuality? They can't even use the correct bathroom in most states... Well that's obviously the wrong way to treat someone. I don't want to deny anything of transgendered people but it doesn't change the fact I wouldn't want to be with someone if they were transgender. Call me a bigot all you want, I would still support them in wanting to be treated equally as people. This is something different. Being able to recognize your own prejudices makes it an entirely different thing. It isn't perfect, but it will help to lower the problems that minorities face a LOT. I do not find black women nearly as attractive as white women. This is because I am prejudiced. I will try my best to not act upon my prejudice as best I can, and I will try to teach others to not be prejudiced. How do you make the difference between prejudice and preference? People end up finding certain characteristics attractive in another person, skin tone seems as valid as any of them.
Again, we have had this discussion, read back. The real question is why do people "end up" finding white people more attractive?
Search model in google images.. how many blacks ect ect.
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On August 01 2013 05:32 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:23 Zealos wrote:On August 01 2013 05:22 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:18 Shodaa wrote:On August 01 2013 05:12 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:04 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 05:01 heliusx wrote:On August 01 2013 04:58 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 04:54 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 04:43 heliusx wrote:
I don't think the transgender people in here would be happy with anything short of people accepting their viewpoint that transgender are exactly the same as someone born that way. Is this correct? It would explain a lot. But they aren't exactly the same, why can't they just accept it? When I refer to them as different, it's not in a demeaning way, it's just calling it for it is. Why won't people just believe my completely unfounded, disproven, and untrue claims for which I have no evidence?! I'm not being insulting! I just think we should deny people certain rights based on an opinion I formed of them 5 minutes ago! wait what rights are being denied? The right to force others to accept their opinions on gender and sexuality? They can't even use the correct bathroom in most states... So their right, to use the "right" bathroom, because they identify with that sex, is above the right of the rest of the people who would feel uncomfortable to share the same bathroom with someone they don't identify as the same sex? A trans woman going into men bathroom risk being attacked or worse. That also means you're fine with a trans man going into a girl bathroom ? Do you even know what you're talking about ? Unlike trans woman, trans man pretty much always pass, because testosterone is "stronger" as an hormone. Well, personally I couldn't care less. But I can still see how many would be offended by a trans "man" going into a girl bathroom. There really is no need to try and shove your "I identify with my gender so now I'm female etc" into peoples faces like that. This doesn't help their cause at all. The oppressed have no obligation to be nice to their oppressers. Sorry :c And who's the oppressor? The majority that forces a transsexual person into an uncomfortable situation or the transsexual person that forces the majority into an uncomfortable situation? Your point of view is extremely egocentric.
There were a lot of people uncomfortable shaking the hands of black people and letting them use the same drinking fountains. We choose not to give two shits about them and end that stupid practice, because it was wrong. This is pretty similar and you will get over it.
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On August 01 2013 05:09 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:03 Shiori wrote:On August 01 2013 04:51 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 04:46 maybenexttime wrote:On August 01 2013 04:30 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 04:25 jinorazi wrote:On August 01 2013 04:20 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 04:14 jinorazi wrote:On August 01 2013 03:58 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 03:53 jinorazi wrote:
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it seems you're against anyone having preference o.O
dont like fat girls? asshole. dont like tall girls? asshole. dont like perfectly fine "real" woman trans? asshole. Well I'm certainly against people posting in threads who have zero reading comprehension. At no point have I ever said that preferences were bad, in fact, I even listed some of my own. I think that reducing someone's attractiveness to one quality and judging them based entirely on that is stupid. "I do not prefer tall people" is not the same as saying "tall people are unattractive." In the former, you evaluate the person as a whole and their height contributes negatively to your overall perception of their attractiveness. In the latter, you've ignored everything else about their appearance and judged them as unattractive based on one quality. See, if I were to evaluate you, I would say I do not prefer dumbasses who can't read. This would contribute negatively to my perception of your attractiveness since you have, in fact, been a dumbass. See how that works? you should take a break, your words are loaded with frustration and they come off like an asshole. from what i've seen you attacked every person who does not prefer trans woman over regular woman, saying if they all look the same why does it matter, even giving moot examples like "would guys fuck trans woman if there is no difference" (i mean, answer is pretty fucking obvious and if someone were to refuse it'll be based on how they were raised and not their own understanding of it, even refusing after understanding it, theres nothing wrong with that too..but noooo, according to you, he is an asshole) my bad if i'm mixing up quotes from what i've read but i just remember klondikebar attacking anyone that does not see trans woman = real woman Lots of people in this very thread would disagree with you saying that trans women aren't real women. That wasn't just me. I was getting ornery with the morons who insisted that they'd still call them "he." And I'm ornery with you because you thought you were being super clever with your sarcastic little post...even though you contributed nothing and clearly didn't think it through. lots of people think otherwise too and it isnt simply because of shallowness and culture plays a huge part in it like or not. not everyone thinks like the liberals of USA, huge portion of rest of the world would call you crazy for calling trans woman a real woman, however you ignore all that just so you can say you're right and they're wrong. for what reasons? medical advancements that happened the last couple of decades? because of that anyone can become woman? some people like to hold on to tradition and you should respect that the same way you demand respect. you said it yourself dating situation and fucking situation is different. ever thought some cultures think one or the other is of the same? and in that sense trans wife/daughter in law is unthinkable? and that naturally transition into how a person prefers woman. "Tradition" is part of what allowed us to treat people as property. I'm not going to respect idiotic and oppressive beliefs just because other people sincerely believe them. If they aren't up to speed on how to be nice to trans people I'm more than happy to calmly explain it to them. But when they then argue that, no, they should still be allowed to treat them as less than people, I'm not going to treat their views as having any merit. They're just idiots who don't want to better themselves. I don't care if the rest of the world is a backwater, uneducated cesspool. Simple majority opinion isn't enough to make me respect idiots. Fundamentally you're not any different than those people you have been insulting for the past several pages. You're a huge prejudiced bigot yourself, the only difference being you're on the opposite side of the scale. Ah yes, the tried and true "the real racist is the one who identifies racism" argument. We've all heard it before. Pat yourself on the back for spectacularly failing to understand the basic distinction between bigotry and calling someone a bigot. Social justice is not your forte. Although I don't actually think I've addressed any bigots for a while. Recently I've been talking to people I would say have some internalized prejudices that would be better acknowledged than ignored. Racism usually manifests itself as malicious and stupid. Don't think Plansix or Shiori are maliciously or intentionally racist. Here is what racism is.Choosing your mates is not racism. Christ, it's not like I think black people or any people are inferior to other people; I just don't find them sexually appealing!!@~@~!#% For fuck's sake, sex appeal isn't a moral judgment when we're talking about the physical attributes of a person. The problem with "social justice" types is that they use hyperbolic arguments and terms to attack things that, as you yourself admitted, aren't even malicious. What's more, they aren't even anybody's fucking business. I'm not obligated to have sex with certain people. I'm not obligated to ever have sex. I can flip a coin to determine who I want to have sex with, for all that it matters. Who one has sex with is seriously a matter of personal choice/preference, and there's no objectivity involved in the sense of details. Ask yourself WHY you don't find black people attractive. That is how you can root down the racism at a subconscious level. What makes them less attractive? "I just don't find them attractive" --- Is not a reason.
Um, yes it is. Why don't I like the colour purple? Who cares, I just don't. Why do I like women rather than men? Beats the hell out of me; one group turns me on, and the other universally does not. Or is that institutionalized heterosexuality, or some other such nonsense?
The reason is that you are taught as you grew up by the media and people around you what is, and what isn't attractive. You were taught that white women are attractive. You were not taught that black women were attractive. You are told constantly that an attractive girl is one that is "born" a women or whatever you call is, who is slim, fairly submissive, and white. THAT is why you will generally favor that sort of women.
Bam. You just discredited your entire argument, because this paragraph is nothing but a walking stereotype of presumptuous garbage. My last girlfriend was Asian, first of all, and she wasn't submissive. I don't particularly care for submissive women. I do prefer slimness to heaviness, but it isn't because of the media; it's because I just like thin shapes. Hell, I'm extremely thin myself, and I honestly prefer looking the way I do now (despite needing to gain some weight) to the way I'd look if I were as much overweight as I am underweight. I'm not sure how this makes me some sort of bigot, unless being a bigot means I'm not even allowed to like things more than others.
What's next, I can't say I don't like burritos because it would be racist?
I love how you feel so attacked for simply pointing out that you judge people incorrectly and you need to reevaluate that. If who you have sex with is truly personal and a matter of completely subjective preference...then why fucking talk about it in a thread?
Listen up: if there are "correct" and "incorrect" ways of judging sexual attraction, what the hell are they? I don't convince myself to find people sexually attractive. I just do or I don't. It's seriously that simple. The reason I'm talking about it in a thread is because complete hypochondriacs like yourself are actually trying to assert that anyone who has any sexual preference at all is somehow a bigot or a racist or whatever.
Am I homophobic because I don't find men sexually attractive? Like, that's a pretty big category of people, and I absolutely don't think I'd ever have sex with any of them, so is that bigotry too? Or do things like sexual orientation get a free pass?
If you post in a medium of discussion: "I don't like to have sex with black people" and that opinion truly can't be criticized...then all we can do is ignore your post and wait until someone posts something that can be discussed.
You were the one asserting that anybody who would rather have sex with cis women is a bigot. That's you making a claim, not me. I replied to your post by pointing out that I find tonnes of physical characteristics preferable to others. Somehow this also makes me a terrible bigot, apparently.
But you didn't post that hoping it would be ignored, you posted it as part of a discussion. It is therefore open to discussion and criticism. And you're right, you're not obligated to have sex with anyone. You're actually not even obligated to not be racist. You're acting like I'm forcing you into some inter-racial breeding colony when all I'm telling you to do is think about how you judge people and maybe there are some underlying prejudices to your judgements that you should be aware of.
I like how you social justice types always seem to fancy yourselves mind readers. I don't have any problem whatsoever with any race. The reason I don't find black people sexually attractive is because I just don't. It's not a "problem" with them; it's just a matter of my tastes.
Get off your high horse. "I don't find black people sexually attractive" is a pretty clear categorization based on race. No, you're not wearing a white hood and burning a cross, but fucking think about how you categorize people.
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All categorization is racist now? The phrase "black people" is a categorization based on race, for Christ's sake. Seriously, what exactly do you think people are allowed to have a preference about?
A preference is one of many factors you use to judge a person. You may not prefer black people but it is possible that you could find a black person who was attractive because they had other qualities you preferred and they ended up, in total, being attractive to you.
A prejudice is when you just someone by one factor alone. They are black. I do not find them attractive. And nothing else about them changes that opinion.
By this logic, I can't refuse to find attractive someone who smokes on the grounds that I dislike smoking because that's just one characteristic of such people.
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On August 01 2013 05:30 Sokrates wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:19 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 05:14 Sokrates wrote:On August 01 2013 05:02 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 04:58 Sokrates wrote:On August 01 2013 04:30 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 04:25 jinorazi wrote:On August 01 2013 04:20 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 04:14 jinorazi wrote:On August 01 2013 03:58 Klondikebar wrote:
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Well I'm certainly against people posting in threads who have zero reading comprehension. At no point have I ever said that preferences were bad, in fact, I even listed some of my own.
I think that reducing someone's attractiveness to one quality and judging them based entirely on that is stupid. "I do not prefer tall people" is not the same as saying "tall people are unattractive." In the former, you evaluate the person as a whole and their height contributes negatively to your overall perception of their attractiveness. In the latter, you've ignored everything else about their appearance and judged them as unattractive based on one quality.
See, if I were to evaluate you, I would say I do not prefer dumbasses who can't read. This would contribute negatively to my perception of your attractiveness since you have, in fact, been a dumbass. See how that works? you should take a break, your words are loaded with frustration and they come off like an asshole. from what i've seen you attacked every person who does not prefer trans woman over regular woman, saying if they all look the same why does it matter, even giving moot examples like "would guys fuck trans woman if there is no difference" (i mean, answer is pretty fucking obvious and if someone were to refuse it'll be based on how they were raised and not their own understanding of it, even refusing after understanding it, theres nothing wrong with that too..but noooo, according to you, he is an asshole) my bad if i'm mixing up quotes from what i've read but i just remember klondikebar attacking anyone that does not see trans woman = real woman Lots of people in this very thread would disagree with you saying that trans women aren't real women. That wasn't just me. I was getting ornery with the morons who insisted that they'd still call them "he." And I'm ornery with you because you thought you were being super clever with your sarcastic little post...even though you contributed nothing and clearly didn't think it through. lots of people think otherwise too and it isnt simply because of shallowness and culture plays a huge part in it like or not. not everyone thinks like the liberals of USA, huge portion of rest of the world would call you crazy for calling trans woman a real woman, however you ignore all that just so you can say you're right and they're wrong. for what reasons? medical advancements that happened the last couple of decades? because of that anyone can become woman? some people like to hold on to tradition and you should respect that the same way you demand respect. you said it yourself dating situation and fucking situation is different. ever thought some cultures think one or the other is of the same? and in that sense trans wife/daughter in law is unthinkable? and that naturally transition into how a person prefers woman. "Tradition" is part of what allowed us to treat people as property. I'm not going to respect idiotic and oppressive beliefs just because other people sincerely believe them. If they aren't up to speed on how to be nice to trans people I'm more than happy to calmly explain it to them. But when they then argue that, no, they should still be allowed to treat them as less than people, I'm not going to treat their views as having any merit. They're just idiots who don't want to better themselves. I don't care if the rest of the world is a backwater, uneducated cesspool. Simple majority opinion isn't enough to make me respect idiots. Isnt it somehow ironic if you call people assholes if they do not share the exact opinion like you. Isnt it somehow ironic that you call people assholes because they do not share the same view on sexuality like you? Isnt it a bit fucked up that you insult people for having one "problematic" view. You call them bigots because they say "i wouldnt fuck a trans women" instead of "i dont prefer trans women". Isnt this a fucking minor thing just like you call them out for by them "degrading" poeple on another minor thing? You call someone an asshole because he/she MAYBE has a narrow point of view on a certain topic? Are you so full of yourself that you cant see the irony here? Because their opinions have translated into laws and practices that seriously damage a minority group. And maybe...just maybe if you come into a thread about LGBT rights, you're gonna have to deal with the minutia of language about LGBT rights...maybe. Isn't it ironic that you write a wall of rhetorical questions without making a single point? Oh wait, no it isn't. Because that's not the definition of irony. Irony is someone with your name being so utterly bad at making a point. The irony is that you insult people for a fucking minor thing. A minor thing you dont like about another person. That is the irony dagobert duck. And dont make up that bullshit with the laws and practises. Saying "i wouldnt fuck a trans women" isnt exactly preventing anyone from having equal rights. You can call it narrow minded because they havent seen every trans women and then maybe they would rethink their point of view, or they wont. It is something they have to find out themselves. I thought that i would never read harry potter, then i read it and i liked it. Shit, that statement before was just one step before wanting to burn all harry potter books. You cannt shove down your opinion someone elses throat because you made a different experience. They have to make they experience themselves or not. You can tell a kid "dont put your fingers on the heated plate", it will most likely do it anyway. And then learn, or not. Whatever. And like i said before "tolerance" doesnt mean you have to be positive about it, or like it, or embrace it, it just means you have to ACCEPT it. I'm not forcing anyone to go to a breeding camp dingbat. I'm saying that when they say "I would never fuck a trans woman" they immediately cut themselves off from having a different experience. Try to keep up please. Your analogies are bad. Your points are bad. Just stick to reading. When you respond you barely make sense and you just muddy the waters. What? OFC THEY ARE CUTTING THEM OFF IMmEDIATELLY. Ofc, because if someone makes this statement this is true for the existence of time. 1.You have no fucking obligation to make a certain experience. If i say i wont ever play sims then i dont have to fucking play sims. Nobody is hurt if i dont play sims. Maybe it is a fucking great game and i miss out but that is my loss and nobody elses. 2.You are just making up so much shit. I never thought i would smoke, i m a smoker now. I thought i would never ever read harry potter, I read harry potter. I thought i would never fuck a fat chick, i did. I thought i would never kiss a man, i did for a fucking beer. So where is your fucking point now? Just because someone says "i will never ever do this or that" that means exactly jackshit. Peoples opinions change or not. And nobody is FORCED to make a experience they dont like or think they wont like. Nobody is hurt by that. You are just making up shit so your arguments wont look more and more pathetic. You throw around insults like a mad man, you just dig your grave deeper and deeper.
So you do you see why it was moronic for you to say "I will never read Harry Potter?" If you had been serious, you never would have enjoyed it. If you weren't serious...then what was the point of saying it?
You're just getting butthurt cause I don't like it when people talk out their ass. When someone says "I will never read Harry Potter," I assume they're telling the truth. And I think they're idiots for even denying the possibility of reading it.
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On August 01 2013 05:32 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:23 Zealos wrote:On August 01 2013 05:22 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:18 Shodaa wrote:On August 01 2013 05:12 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:04 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 05:01 heliusx wrote:On August 01 2013 04:58 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 04:54 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 04:43 heliusx wrote:
I don't think the transgender people in here would be happy with anything short of people accepting their viewpoint that transgender are exactly the same as someone born that way. Is this correct? It would explain a lot. But they aren't exactly the same, why can't they just accept it? When I refer to them as different, it's not in a demeaning way, it's just calling it for it is. Why won't people just believe my completely unfounded, disproven, and untrue claims for which I have no evidence?! I'm not being insulting! I just think we should deny people certain rights based on an opinion I formed of them 5 minutes ago! wait what rights are being denied? The right to force others to accept their opinions on gender and sexuality? They can't even use the correct bathroom in most states... So their right, to use the "right" bathroom, because they identify with that sex, is above the right of the rest of the people who would feel uncomfortable to share the same bathroom with someone they don't identify as the same sex? A trans woman going into men bathroom risk being attacked or worse. That also means you're fine with a trans man going into a girl bathroom ? Do you even know what you're talking about ? Unlike trans woman, trans man pretty much always pass, because testosterone is "stronger" as an hormone. Well, personally I couldn't care less. But I can still see how many would be offended by a trans "man" going into a girl bathroom. There really is no need to try and shove your "I identify with my gender so now I'm female etc" into peoples faces like that. This doesn't help their cause at all. The oppressed have no obligation to be nice to their oppressers. Sorry :c And who's the oppressor? The majority that forces a transsexual person into an uncomfortable situation or the transsexual person that forces the majority into an uncomfortable situation? Your point of view is extremely egocentric.
"The majority that forces a transsexual person into an uncomfortable situation"
^.^ Answered your own question mate.
The majority only get uncomfortable because of their own subconscious prejudices.
And I don't think you know what egocentric means... :s
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On August 01 2013 05:34 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:32 maybenexttime wrote:On August 01 2013 05:23 Zealos wrote:On August 01 2013 05:22 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:18 Shodaa wrote:On August 01 2013 05:12 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:04 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 05:01 heliusx wrote:On August 01 2013 04:58 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 04:54 theodorus12 wrote:
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But they aren't exactly the same, why can't they just accept it? When I refer to them as different, it's not in a demeaning way, it's just calling it for it is. Why won't people just believe my completely unfounded, disproven, and untrue claims for which I have no evidence?! I'm not being insulting! I just think we should deny people certain rights based on an opinion I formed of them 5 minutes ago! wait what rights are being denied? The right to force others to accept their opinions on gender and sexuality? They can't even use the correct bathroom in most states... So their right, to use the "right" bathroom, because they identify with that sex, is above the right of the rest of the people who would feel uncomfortable to share the same bathroom with someone they don't identify as the same sex? A trans woman going into men bathroom risk being attacked or worse. That also means you're fine with a trans man going into a girl bathroom ? Do you even know what you're talking about ? Unlike trans woman, trans man pretty much always pass, because testosterone is "stronger" as an hormone. Well, personally I couldn't care less. But I can still see how many would be offended by a trans "man" going into a girl bathroom. There really is no need to try and shove your "I identify with my gender so now I'm female etc" into peoples faces like that. This doesn't help their cause at all. The oppressed have no obligation to be nice to their oppressers. Sorry :c And who's the oppressor? The majority that forces a transsexual person into an uncomfortable situation or the transsexual person that forces the majority into an uncomfortable situation? Your point of view is extremely egocentric. There were a lot of people uncomfortable shaking the hands of black people and letting them use the same drinking fountains. We choose not to give two shits about them and end that stupid practice, because it was wrong. This is pretty similar and you will get over it.
As a black person this makes me lol.
There are clear differences between a real women and a trans "women", being able to become a child is only one of them. Show me these differences between black and white people.
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On August 01 2013 05:34 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:32 maybenexttime wrote:On August 01 2013 05:23 Zealos wrote:On August 01 2013 05:22 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:18 Shodaa wrote:On August 01 2013 05:12 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:04 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 05:01 heliusx wrote:On August 01 2013 04:58 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 04:54 theodorus12 wrote:
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But they aren't exactly the same, why can't they just accept it? When I refer to them as different, it's not in a demeaning way, it's just calling it for it is. Why won't people just believe my completely unfounded, disproven, and untrue claims for which I have no evidence?! I'm not being insulting! I just think we should deny people certain rights based on an opinion I formed of them 5 minutes ago! wait what rights are being denied? The right to force others to accept their opinions on gender and sexuality? They can't even use the correct bathroom in most states... So their right, to use the "right" bathroom, because they identify with that sex, is above the right of the rest of the people who would feel uncomfortable to share the same bathroom with someone they don't identify as the same sex? A trans woman going into men bathroom risk being attacked or worse. That also means you're fine with a trans man going into a girl bathroom ? Do you even know what you're talking about ? Unlike trans woman, trans man pretty much always pass, because testosterone is "stronger" as an hormone. Well, personally I couldn't care less. But I can still see how many would be offended by a trans "man" going into a girl bathroom. There really is no need to try and shove your "I identify with my gender so now I'm female etc" into peoples faces like that. This doesn't help their cause at all. The oppressed have no obligation to be nice to their oppressers. Sorry :c And who's the oppressor? The majority that forces a transsexual person into an uncomfortable situation or the transsexual person that forces the majority into an uncomfortable situation? Your point of view is extremely egocentric. There were a lot of people uncomfortable shaking the hands of black people and letting them use the same drinking fountains. We choose not to give two shits about them and end that stupid practice, because it was wrong. This is pretty similar and you will get over it.
Sure, you can just ignore the problem, why not... Won't change the fact that the LGBT lobby constantly does things it accuses other people of.
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On August 01 2013 05:31 theodorus12 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:28 fugs wrote:On August 01 2013 05:22 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:18 Shodaa wrote:On August 01 2013 05:12 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:04 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 05:01 heliusx wrote:On August 01 2013 04:58 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 04:54 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 04:43 heliusx wrote:
I don't think the transgender people in here would be happy with anything short of people accepting their viewpoint that transgender are exactly the same as someone born that way. Is this correct? It would explain a lot. But they aren't exactly the same, why can't they just accept it? When I refer to them as different, it's not in a demeaning way, it's just calling it for it is. Why won't people just believe my completely unfounded, disproven, and untrue claims for which I have no evidence?! I'm not being insulting! I just think we should deny people certain rights based on an opinion I formed of them 5 minutes ago! wait what rights are being denied? The right to force others to accept their opinions on gender and sexuality? They can't even use the correct bathroom in most states... So their right, to use the "right" bathroom, because they identify with that sex, is above the right of the rest of the people who would feel uncomfortable to share the same bathroom with someone they don't identify as the same sex? A trans woman going into men bathroom risk being attacked or worse. That also means you're fine with a trans man going into a girl bathroom ? Do you even know what you're talking about ? Unlike trans woman, trans man pretty much always pass, because testosterone is "stronger" as an hormone. Well, personally I couldn't care less. But I can still see how many would be offended by a trans "man" going into a girl bathroom. There really is no need to try and shove your "I identify with my gender so now I'm female etc" into peoples faces like that. This doesn't help their cause at all. And you're not helping by putting quotation marks around our identities, dick. Why? I already said that just feeling female will not make you female. There are clear definitions.
What make you female or male then if not for your identity.
Chromosome ? No, because a woman ca be XY and a man can be XX, because of chromosomal disorder
Genital ? What if you had an accident that destroyed your penis. Do you identify outside of the gender binary now ? And what about people who are intersex ?
Gender is not a simple black and white thing,
Kind of sad that you're refusing to learn. I feel sorry for you.
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On August 01 2013 05:31 theodorus12 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:28 fugs wrote:On August 01 2013 05:22 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:18 Shodaa wrote:On August 01 2013 05:12 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:04 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 05:01 heliusx wrote:On August 01 2013 04:58 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 04:54 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 04:43 heliusx wrote:
I don't think the transgender people in here would be happy with anything short of people accepting their viewpoint that transgender are exactly the same as someone born that way. Is this correct? It would explain a lot. But they aren't exactly the same, why can't they just accept it? When I refer to them as different, it's not in a demeaning way, it's just calling it for it is. Why won't people just believe my completely unfounded, disproven, and untrue claims for which I have no evidence?! I'm not being insulting! I just think we should deny people certain rights based on an opinion I formed of them 5 minutes ago! wait what rights are being denied? The right to force others to accept their opinions on gender and sexuality? They can't even use the correct bathroom in most states... So their right, to use the "right" bathroom, because they identify with that sex, is above the right of the rest of the people who would feel uncomfortable to share the same bathroom with someone they don't identify as the same sex? A trans woman going into men bathroom risk being attacked or worse. That also means you're fine with a trans man going into a girl bathroom ? Do you even know what you're talking about ? Unlike trans woman, trans man pretty much always pass, because testosterone is "stronger" as an hormone. Well, personally I couldn't care less. But I can still see how many would be offended by a trans "man" going into a girl bathroom. There really is no need to try and shove your "I identify with my gender so now I'm female etc" into peoples faces like that. This doesn't help their cause at all. And you're not helping by putting quotation marks around our identities, dick. Why? I already said that just feeling female will not make you female. There are clear definitions.
It isn't "just feeling female". You have no idea about what you're talking about. What, do you think that we just wake up one day and decide to dress in drag?
Why do you feel like a man? It's not your penis, society told you that your penis means you're a boy. Your brain doesn't hate your penis does it? Does your brain question why the hell there's a penis there in the first place? You act like these "feelings" are nothing more than an itch that needs to be scratched but you don't know anything about what we go through.
You're not going to convince us that what we've spent our entire lives on is fake.
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On August 01 2013 05:36 theodorus12 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:34 Plansix wrote:On August 01 2013 05:32 maybenexttime wrote:On August 01 2013 05:23 Zealos wrote:On August 01 2013 05:22 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:18 Shodaa wrote:On August 01 2013 05:12 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:04 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 05:01 heliusx wrote:On August 01 2013 04:58 Klondikebar wrote:
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Why won't people just believe my completely unfounded, disproven, and untrue claims for which I have no evidence?! I'm not being insulting! I just think we should deny people certain rights based on an opinion I formed of them 5 minutes ago! wait what rights are being denied? The right to force others to accept their opinions on gender and sexuality? They can't even use the correct bathroom in most states... So their right, to use the "right" bathroom, because they identify with that sex, is above the right of the rest of the people who would feel uncomfortable to share the same bathroom with someone they don't identify as the same sex? A trans woman going into men bathroom risk being attacked or worse. That also means you're fine with a trans man going into a girl bathroom ? Do you even know what you're talking about ? Unlike trans woman, trans man pretty much always pass, because testosterone is "stronger" as an hormone. Well, personally I couldn't care less. But I can still see how many would be offended by a trans "man" going into a girl bathroom. There really is no need to try and shove your "I identify with my gender so now I'm female etc" into peoples faces like that. This doesn't help their cause at all. The oppressed have no obligation to be nice to their oppressers. Sorry :c And who's the oppressor? The majority that forces a transsexual person into an uncomfortable situation or the transsexual person that forces the majority into an uncomfortable situation? Your point of view is extremely egocentric. There were a lot of people uncomfortable shaking the hands of black people and letting them use the same drinking fountains. We choose not to give two shits about them and end that stupid practice, because it was wrong. This is pretty similar and you will get over it. As a black person I could now go on and say how offensive this post is etc but I don't. There are clear differences between a real women and a trans "women", being able to become a child is only one of them. Show me these differences between black and white people.
One is black and one is white. Black people also have more testosterone on average. On top of this, black people living in Africa will score lower on an IQ test on average, due to it being weighted towards western characteristics.
How many differences can you name from a trans women and a "real" women.
Also, saying you could find his post offensive is really dumb, and makes no sense at all.
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On August 01 2013 05:09 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:03 Shiori wrote:On August 01 2013 04:51 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 04:46 maybenexttime wrote:On August 01 2013 04:30 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 04:25 jinorazi wrote:On August 01 2013 04:20 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 04:14 jinorazi wrote:On August 01 2013 03:58 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 03:53 jinorazi wrote:
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it seems you're against anyone having preference o.O
dont like fat girls? asshole. dont like tall girls? asshole. dont like perfectly fine "real" woman trans? asshole. Well I'm certainly against people posting in threads who have zero reading comprehension. At no point have I ever said that preferences were bad, in fact, I even listed some of my own. I think that reducing someone's attractiveness to one quality and judging them based entirely on that is stupid. "I do not prefer tall people" is not the same as saying "tall people are unattractive." In the former, you evaluate the person as a whole and their height contributes negatively to your overall perception of their attractiveness. In the latter, you've ignored everything else about their appearance and judged them as unattractive based on one quality. See, if I were to evaluate you, I would say I do not prefer dumbasses who can't read. This would contribute negatively to my perception of your attractiveness since you have, in fact, been a dumbass. See how that works? you should take a break, your words are loaded with frustration and they come off like an asshole. from what i've seen you attacked every person who does not prefer trans woman over regular woman, saying if they all look the same why does it matter, even giving moot examples like "would guys fuck trans woman if there is no difference" (i mean, answer is pretty fucking obvious and if someone were to refuse it'll be based on how they were raised and not their own understanding of it, even refusing after understanding it, theres nothing wrong with that too..but noooo, according to you, he is an asshole) my bad if i'm mixing up quotes from what i've read but i just remember klondikebar attacking anyone that does not see trans woman = real woman Lots of people in this very thread would disagree with you saying that trans women aren't real women. That wasn't just me. I was getting ornery with the morons who insisted that they'd still call them "he." And I'm ornery with you because you thought you were being super clever with your sarcastic little post...even though you contributed nothing and clearly didn't think it through. lots of people think otherwise too and it isnt simply because of shallowness and culture plays a huge part in it like or not. not everyone thinks like the liberals of USA, huge portion of rest of the world would call you crazy for calling trans woman a real woman, however you ignore all that just so you can say you're right and they're wrong. for what reasons? medical advancements that happened the last couple of decades? because of that anyone can become woman? some people like to hold on to tradition and you should respect that the same way you demand respect. you said it yourself dating situation and fucking situation is different. ever thought some cultures think one or the other is of the same? and in that sense trans wife/daughter in law is unthinkable? and that naturally transition into how a person prefers woman. "Tradition" is part of what allowed us to treat people as property. I'm not going to respect idiotic and oppressive beliefs just because other people sincerely believe them. If they aren't up to speed on how to be nice to trans people I'm more than happy to calmly explain it to them. But when they then argue that, no, they should still be allowed to treat them as less than people, I'm not going to treat their views as having any merit. They're just idiots who don't want to better themselves. I don't care if the rest of the world is a backwater, uneducated cesspool. Simple majority opinion isn't enough to make me respect idiots. Fundamentally you're not any different than those people you have been insulting for the past several pages. You're a huge prejudiced bigot yourself, the only difference being you're on the opposite side of the scale. Ah yes, the tried and true "the real racist is the one who identifies racism" argument. We've all heard it before. Pat yourself on the back for spectacularly failing to understand the basic distinction between bigotry and calling someone a bigot. Social justice is not your forte. Although I don't actually think I've addressed any bigots for a while. Recently I've been talking to people I would say have some internalized prejudices that would be better acknowledged than ignored. Racism usually manifests itself as malicious and stupid. Don't think Plansix or Shiori are maliciously or intentionally racist. Here is what racism is.Choosing your mates is not racism. Christ, it's not like I think black people or any people are inferior to other people; I just don't find them sexually appealing!!@~@~!#% For fuck's sake, sex appeal isn't a moral judgment when we're talking about the physical attributes of a person. The problem with "social justice" types is that they use hyperbolic arguments and terms to attack things that, as you yourself admitted, aren't even malicious. What's more, they aren't even anybody's fucking business. I'm not obligated to have sex with certain people. I'm not obligated to ever have sex. I can flip a coin to determine who I want to have sex with, for all that it matters. Who one has sex with is seriously a matter of personal choice/preference, and there's no objectivity involved in the sense of details. Ask yourself WHY you don't find black people attractive. That is how you can root down the racism at a subconscious level. What makes them less attractive? "I just don't find them attractive" --- Is not a reason. The reason is that you are taught as you grew up by the media and people around you what is, and what isn't attractive. You were taught that white women are attractive. You were not taught that black women were attractive. You are told constantly that an attractive girl is one that is "born" a women or whatever you call is, who is slim, fairly submissive, and white. THAT is why you will generally favor that sort of women.
Wait. Wouldn't that be the same as calling a guy interested only in girls a homophobe? Im pretty speechless to be honest. So, if I find the distinct features of Asians more attractive, you would call me a bigot because I don't feel the same way about white, brown or black women?
I don't know if I misunderstood your post, but I feel pretty offended by it. Calling me a bigot because I find some women more attractive then others? That's Ludacris.
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On August 01 2013 05:37 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:34 Plansix wrote:On August 01 2013 05:32 maybenexttime wrote:On August 01 2013 05:23 Zealos wrote:On August 01 2013 05:22 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:18 Shodaa wrote:On August 01 2013 05:12 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:04 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 05:01 heliusx wrote:On August 01 2013 04:58 Klondikebar wrote:
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Why won't people just believe my completely unfounded, disproven, and untrue claims for which I have no evidence?! I'm not being insulting! I just think we should deny people certain rights based on an opinion I formed of them 5 minutes ago! wait what rights are being denied? The right to force others to accept their opinions on gender and sexuality? They can't even use the correct bathroom in most states... So their right, to use the "right" bathroom, because they identify with that sex, is above the right of the rest of the people who would feel uncomfortable to share the same bathroom with someone they don't identify as the same sex? A trans woman going into men bathroom risk being attacked or worse. That also means you're fine with a trans man going into a girl bathroom ? Do you even know what you're talking about ? Unlike trans woman, trans man pretty much always pass, because testosterone is "stronger" as an hormone. Well, personally I couldn't care less. But I can still see how many would be offended by a trans "man" going into a girl bathroom. There really is no need to try and shove your "I identify with my gender so now I'm female etc" into peoples faces like that. This doesn't help their cause at all. The oppressed have no obligation to be nice to their oppressers. Sorry :c And who's the oppressor? The majority that forces a transsexual person into an uncomfortable situation or the transsexual person that forces the majority into an uncomfortable situation? Your point of view is extremely egocentric. There were a lot of people uncomfortable shaking the hands of black people and letting them use the same drinking fountains. We choose not to give two shits about them and end that stupid practice, because it was wrong. This is pretty similar and you will get over it. Sure, you can just ignore the problem, why not... Won't change the fact that the LGBT lobby constantly does things it accuses other people of.
What an open ended, but ultimately pointless post. Good job.
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On August 01 2013 05:36 theodorus12 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 05:34 Plansix wrote:On August 01 2013 05:32 maybenexttime wrote:On August 01 2013 05:23 Zealos wrote:On August 01 2013 05:22 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:18 Shodaa wrote:On August 01 2013 05:12 theodorus12 wrote:On August 01 2013 05:04 Klondikebar wrote:On August 01 2013 05:01 heliusx wrote:On August 01 2013 04:58 Klondikebar wrote:
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Why won't people just believe my completely unfounded, disproven, and untrue claims for which I have no evidence?! I'm not being insulting! I just think we should deny people certain rights based on an opinion I formed of them 5 minutes ago! wait what rights are being denied? The right to force others to accept their opinions on gender and sexuality? They can't even use the correct bathroom in most states... So their right, to use the "right" bathroom, because they identify with that sex, is above the right of the rest of the people who would feel uncomfortable to share the same bathroom with someone they don't identify as the same sex? A trans woman going into men bathroom risk being attacked or worse. That also means you're fine with a trans man going into a girl bathroom ? Do you even know what you're talking about ? Unlike trans woman, trans man pretty much always pass, because testosterone is "stronger" as an hormone. Well, personally I couldn't care less. But I can still see how many would be offended by a trans "man" going into a girl bathroom. There really is no need to try and shove your "I identify with my gender so now I'm female etc" into peoples faces like that. This doesn't help their cause at all. The oppressed have no obligation to be nice to their oppressers. Sorry :c And who's the oppressor? The majority that forces a transsexual person into an uncomfortable situation or the transsexual person that forces the majority into an uncomfortable situation? Your point of view is extremely egocentric. There were a lot of people uncomfortable shaking the hands of black people and letting them use the same drinking fountains. We choose not to give two shits about them and end that stupid practice, because it was wrong. This is pretty similar and you will get over it. As a black person this makes me lol. There are clear differences between a real women and a trans "women", being able to become a child is only one of them. Show me these differences between black and white people.
All I see is a bunch of ass holes attempting to impose their will on a small group of people who just want to be left alone and treated like everyone else. If they want to use a different bathroom, its not really that big of a deal and no one is harmed by it. People who are gay use those bathrooms all the time and nothing bad happens.
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