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R1CH
Netherlands10343 Posts
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besez
Sweden54 Posts
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On February 06 2013 15:49 R1CH wrote: I'd love if I could assign some of that $9 to my favorite streamers, say $2-3 split between whichever streams I watch based on number of hours (or just manually assigned). Would feel like the perfect mix between channel subscriptions and turbo. Your idea benefits broadcasters that have subscribers with a lower retention rate on the website or broadcasters that don't stream on a regular basis. It makes sense why you would suggest this. The best way for your viewers to monetize your content is direct donations which hurts Twitch if you don't play ads since they do the transcodes for your viewers. There are streamers that make thousands of dollars a month doing this. | ||
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SamanthaRain
United States37 Posts
$8.99 per month = One person watching roughly 3,000 ads per month. When a person with turbo watches a stream, twitch only gives that partner one ad view. Twitch is easily getting 2,000+ times more money than you receive from playing ads by using this system. Twitch justifies this by saying, "The streamer wouldn't have earned money if the viewer used adblock, so this way we are actually making you money!!" which is true, but you're getting less than one percent of what twitch is receiving, per turbo subscriber. But I love how everyone is saying "Support eSports! Get Turbo!!!" when actually it's not supporting eSports, it's supporting a greedy as fuck company that doesn't want to give their partnered streamers a slice of the profits. | ||
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theqat
United States2856 Posts
On February 07 2013 05:01 SamanthaRain wrote: Just figured out twitch is screwing over partnered streamers by A LOT. $8.99 per month = One person watching roughly 3,000 ads per month. When a person with turbo watches a stream, twitch only gives that partner one ad view. Twitch is easily getting 2,000+ times more money than you receive from playing ads by using this system. Twitch justifies this by saying, "The streamer wouldn't have earned money if the viewer used adblock, so this way we are actually making you money!!" which is true, but you're getting less than one percent of what twitch is receiving, per turbo subscriber. But I love how everyone is saying "Support eSports! Get Turbo!!!" when actually it's not supporting eSports, it's supporting a greedy as fuck company that doesn't want to give their partnered streamers a slice of the profits. TheGunRun said each turbo user gives an impression per ad they would have normally seen. From the first page: Broadcasters are paid on a per-impressions basis for ads. If a Turbo user would have seen an ad, it's recorded and the broadcaster is paid as if the user had been shown one. | ||
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icydergosu
528 Posts
On February 07 2013 05:01 SamanthaRain wrote: Just figured out twitch is screwing over partnered streamers by A LOT. $8.99 per month = One person watching roughly 3,000 ads per month. When a person with turbo watches a stream, twitch only gives that partner one ad view. Twitch is easily getting 2,000+ times more money than you receive from playing ads by using this system. Twitch justifies this by saying, "The streamer wouldn't have earned money if the viewer used adblock, so this way we are actually making you money!!" which is true, but you're getting less than one percent of what twitch is receiving, per turbo subscriber. But I love how everyone is saying "Support eSports! Get Turbo!!!" when actually it's not supporting eSports, it's supporting a greedy as fuck company that doesn't want to give their partnered streamers a slice of the profits. You dont seem to fully grasp the concept. They are not stealing any money from ad views - users still have the option to sign up for premium streams to support their favourite players. Think of it like a way to support the company who makes all of this possible, not so long ago we did not have free traffic to stream with bitrates in excess of 4 Megabits per second. Think of how much traffic even a few hundred viewers produce... Nobody likes uncertainty - especially in business. They are trying to create a steady, more or less, dependable stream of income. If anything they are trying to tap into their viewerbase. While we do not know what they will do with said income one might imagine that these additional funds could be used as a buffer so streamers get paid sooner rather then later (as it is currently the case). As this becomes common practice more and more people might be intrigued by the idea to get into streaming which should lead to more competition and better content. That being said i dont see any value in their current offering. If turbo subscribers would get a premium CDN feed that might be of value, especially to europeans who, in large parts, cannot watch high quality streams consistently. | ||
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Pimpmuckl
Germany528 Posts
On February 07 2013 05:27 icydergosu wrote: Nobody likes uncertainty - especially in business. They are trying to create a steady, more or less, dependable stream of income. If anything they are trying to tap into their viewerbase. While we do not know what they will do with said income one might imagine that these additional funds could be used as a buffer so streamers get paid sooner rather then later (as it is currently the case). As this becomes common practice more and more people might be intrigued by the idea to get into streaming which should lead to more competition and better content. That being said i dont see any value in their current offering. If turbo subscribers would get a premium CDN feed that might be of value, especially to europeans who, in large parts, cannot watch high quality streams consistently. Pretty much this. I can't buy turbo. I just can not. With the current insanely laggy streams in Europe this is just not justified as a Quality option :/ | ||
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Lash-
Germany61 Posts
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On February 08 2013 01:16 Lash- wrote: Only time will tell us wether this is good or bad for them streamers Why would it be good for them? | ||
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
If a significant number of people that adblock buy turbo, it's great for streamers. Actually, it's great for 99.99% of the streamers regardless because they don't use subscribers. If it's a considerable number, then even the streamers with subscribers benefit. | ||
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Hrrrrm
United States2081 Posts
Twitch doesn't go out of business for one, so they will still see a paycheck. The same can't be said for other services. You can argue twitch needs them more than they need twitch at this point. Let's not forget though that streaming really only blew up when you could /commercial. All the content in the world doesn't matter if it doesn't have a reliable service. | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On February 08 2013 01:27 Martijn wrote: If a significant number of people that adblock buy turbo, it's great for streamers. Actually, it's great for 99.99% of the streamers regardless because they don't use subscribers. If it's a considerable number, then even the streamers with subscribers benefit. That's true, I guess I didn't think of that. Turbo probably stops the ad from playing before adblock does, so it's a net gain in impressions for everybody. On February 08 2013 01:34 Hrrrrm wrote: Twitch doesn't go out of business for one, so they will still see a paycheck. The same can't be said for other services. You can argue twitch needs them more than they need twitch at this point. Let's not forget though that streaming really only blew up when you could /commercial. All the content in the world doesn't matter if it doesn't have a reliable service. Arguments like this bother me, and they fly in the face of what we know about capitalism. First of all, Twitch is not a dying company, they do not need this boost to carry on. Secondly, it is not clear that becoming more profitable will lead to improvements in the Twitch quality of service overall. Historically, it is more the opposite; when a company becomes profitable enough, they can cut corners because so many people are loyal to them. Thirdly, it is silly to worry about Twitch going out of business because if that happens, it's because a new service opened up and replaced them by providing a superior experience (like just happened to Own3d). Basically, companies should exist on their merits alone, or else you're just creating a bubble and disincentivizing them to continue improving. | ||
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GohgamX
Canada1096 Posts
On February 06 2013 15:49 R1CH wrote: I'd love if I could assign some of that $9 to my favorite streamers, say $2-3 split between whichever streams I watch based on number of hours (or just manually assigned). Would feel like the perfect mix between channel subscriptions and turbo. I think this would be a great idea if implemented. | ||
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WillS
61 Posts
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ROOTdrewbie
Canada1392 Posts
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hacklebeast
United States5090 Posts
On February 08 2013 14:59 ROOTdrewbie wrote: turbo is cool, although people are going to get turbo instead of subscribing to personal channels =[ I don't think so. If you subscribed to support a streamer, then you would still prefer to support that streamer. If you subscribed for the emoticons, you would still probably prefer to have the ones specific to the channel (I'm guessing. Can't quite say I understand someone who wants to pay a monthly subscription primarily for emoticons, but to each his own),. The only people that streamers lose out on are those who don't like adds enough to pay $5-$10 a month, yet have a moral objection to add blocker. I have to assume that is a rather small minority. | ||
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yorkey
England69 Posts
On February 08 2013 18:00 hacklebeast wrote: I don't think so. If you subscribed to support a streamer, then you would still prefer to support that streamer. If you subscribed for the emoticons, you would still probably prefer to have the ones specific to the channel (I'm guessing. Can't quite say I understand someone who wants to pay a monthly subscription primarily for emoticons, but to each his own),. The only people that streamers lose out on are those who don't like adds enough to pay $5-$10 a month, yet have a moral objection to add blocker. I have to assume that is a rather small minority. I can see where you're coming from but i'm not sure that's going to be the case for all. I'm all for supporting broadcasters as much as possible but if you sub to every channel you want to support it can get expensive. A lot of viewers will be below the age of 18 so probably won't have a regular income so subbing to more than one channel isn't always easy so many viewers will chose to just pay the once to remove the ad's or continue to use adblocker. | ||
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Dracolich70
Denmark3820 Posts
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ishyishy
United States826 Posts
Twitch, and pro gamers, and websites, do not like adblock. They get paid by ad companies to put ads on their website, pro gamers get paid to play commercials to thousands of viewers. This is something we all know very well by now. Ok, so how do you stop people from using a free and legal service? You offer a deal that people cant pass up. A deal that is so good, that it is worth paying for. Twitch Turbo does NOT even come close to accomplishing this. The whole thing (not much lol) boils down to an ad-free experience on twitch...that they want you to PAY for. If adblock is free and legal, and offers the exact same experience on twitch, give me 1 reason to not use it. Not to mention adblock takes care of everything else on pretty much every other website, whereas my $9 ad-free subscription only covers twitch. "Oh but you are hurting twitch and esports and the players and blah blahdy blardy". Sorry, but that's business; that is how the real world works. You go for the best possible, legal, solution. If twitch wants my money, give me something above and beyond what adblock gives me, and I can at least consider it. As of right now, they arent doing that. | ||
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teapot
United Kingdom266 Posts
On February 09 2013 02:30 ishyishy wrote: Adblock. It is free, it is legal, and from what I've heard and experienced, it appears to be safe software to use. Twitch, and pro gamers, and websites, do not like adblock. They get paid by ad companies to put ads on their website, pro gamers get paid to play commercials to thousands of viewers. This is something we all know very well by now. Ok, so how do you stop people from using a free and legal service? You offer a deal that people cant pass up. A deal that is so good, that it is worth paying for. Twitch Turbo does NOT even come close to accomplishing this. The whole thing (not much lol) boils down to an ad-free experience on twitch...that they want you to PAY for. If adblock is free and legal, and offers the exact same experience on twitch, give me 1 reason to not use it. Not to mention adblock takes care of everything else on pretty much every other website, whereas my $9 ad-free subscription only covers twitch. "Oh but you are hurting twitch and esports and the players and blah blahdy blardy". Sorry, but that's business; that is how the real world works. You go for the best possible, legal, solution. If twitch wants my money, give me something above and beyond what adblock gives me, and I can at least consider it. As of right now, they arent doing that. A possible reply from Twitch would be to put up a paywall around content, reducing what is currently freely available. Remember that the only way for Twitch to survive is to get viewers to watch adverts, or to get viewers to pay for the service. | ||
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