@regularduck Purchasing turbo is an investment! By March we plan to let only Turbo users use Twitch chat, so it will have definite value.
Twitch.tv plans on moving their chat servers to a subscription only service come March. What do you guys think of this?
Love it to death. I hate dealing with random people from the internet trolling the chat. I will pay to only chat with people who are also winning to pay. The rest of the population can sit and watch from afar.
looks like another move towards making there streams purely ppv which is what MLG stuck its hands into and got them bitten off pretty dramatically if i remember correctly.
That Twitchsupport account is probably a fake. So i don't think Twitch is actually making chat for Turbo users only.
Lol yeah so many people falling for that fake account. It even says in its name, "TwichUnsupport" and says parody account in bio.
On February 06 2013 02:26 theqat wrote: It would be extraordinarily poor planning to rely on twitch-type income for your entire living with no backup plan. I don't really have any sympathy for someone who makes that choice unless twitch explicitly misled them. Just the facts that streamers aren't privy to twitch's financial figures or participants in meetings on the future path of the company makes it a very, very foolish idea.
In any case, quite a few streamers were doing all right financially before subscriptions existed, and there's not much reason to think that this would be much more than an income adjustment for that type of streamer.
using adblock is pointless and having this is pointless players dont do anything while ads are on and neither do shows or tournaments..... so not having the first ad is fine but the rest of it dosnt even matter theres no content to be watched during them regardless
This is categorically untrue. If there was no point, people wouldn't use adblock. The "point" of adblock is not having to constantly adjust your volume, not having to hear something that jarringly interrupts the flow of whatever else you're listening to, not having to view advertising in the first place, and on and on. Maybe you've never noticed, but most advertising has a particular tone of trying to sell you something. To me it's very grating; I don't want to hear it and I'll go to some lengths to avoid it. Ads are extremely annoying to many people and your understanding of the situation would be enhanced if you'd acknowledge that.
i dont find having to push a mute button every 30ish minutes worth paying 9$ a month. personally
Nice strawman, but that's not even close to covering what I'm talking about. Not only do you not have to mute things if you're using adblock, but if you're doing something else you don't have to tab back in to the stream. You don't have to look at that obnoxious ad if you're looking at the stream. You don't have to hear even one second of blasting-volume audio if you accidentally forget to mute before the ad. You don't have to mute your entire computer, including your music and/or games, just to get rid of that ad that doesn't have a volume/mute button on it.
You can use adblock to accomplish all that, but you'll know that you aren't supporting twitch or the streamer. Now twitch brings out Turbo, which--wait for it--you can use to support twitch and the streamer AND have the convenience level of adblock. It might not be to the level of a $5/mo subscription, but it's something for everyone instead of $5 to one or two guys.
There are people out there that care about this. You seem dead set on refusing to understand their perspective, but they exist whether you like it or not.
now you are trying to convince me why commercials are annoying?.... everyone knows they are annoying but we watch them to support esports..... and the key word here is sports .... the players are who matter not the streaming platform if twitch goes away a new person will replace them... if the players go away there is no need for a streaming platform you keep telling me how these players that its gonna hurt are the low percentage...... they are the "GOOD" players..... the ones that get tournaments 100k viewers...... the ones that matter....i see your perspective I just dont agree with it..... I think you are the one not seeing this from the pro players point of view...... but we'll see what happens 9$ is overpaying and its a greedy move by twitch its not even close to what even the most dedicated stream viewers could pull in with ad revenue.... keep saying "i dont feel sorry for the people relying on 5$ subscribers" just ignorant statements like this just gives me an off feeling about u...... ur basically admitting that they could and probably will lose money from this weather its gonna lose there house because of it or not is doubtful but ur basically saying the players should take the hit because it benefits u as a viewer... without these players you have nothing to view..... so maybe we should be catering to them and not to people like you with selfish attitudes..
That is not the point that he is trying to make at all. He is saying that Twitch is offer a product in an attempt to build a relationship with its viewers and build a direct form of monthly income. Curretly their business model is based on ad share and subscriptions to specific channels. Personally, I like it when I can directly interface with a company and pay them directly for a service. Companies that rely on ad to make their money(ie, Facebook) always have a conflict between serving me and serving the people who pay them. I would rather pay Twitch directly for the streaming and suffer through fewer or no ads, because I know what they do is not free and bandwidth cost a leg.
Twitch also found that people subscribe to channels to support the stream, rather than avoid ads. I currently subscribe to JP and this change will have no effect on my subscription at all. To tell the truth, there are times when I log out of my account, just so he will get ad revenue while I watching(normally while cooking or doing other chores). Avoiding ads is only a perk to supporting the channel, when I really know I am supporting SotG, Real Talk and the other Esports shows I enjoy. I also pay Giant Bomb monthly because I enjoy what they and their subscriber videos are great. Ads have little to do with my decision to do so and most people understand that ads are a necessary part of broadcasting. Twitch will take care of the broadcasters in some way and all of them are capable of sticking up for themselves and dealing with Twitch directly.
Twitch is a wonderful service, but it also one that cannot provide new free content forever. Twitch is tasks with the job of finding services that we are willing to pay for and then making money off of them. These services have to be above and beyond what they are providing for free. As someone who has paid nearly $100 monthly for cable TV at one point, $10 is nothing and the entertainment I get on Twitch is far more than anything I received though Comcast.
The community as a whole needs to get rid of the impression that everyone in this Esports world is rolling in money. Like all emerging markets, they are making ends meet and trying to build something larger each year. Personally, I like Twitch because they are buildings slowly and seem like the most responsable people in the scene right now.
Also, I will pay CASH MONEY for a roku app. CASH MONEY damn it.
content isnt free when there are ads..... they dont provide anything but a platform the players provide the content....even if some people stay loyal and keep subscribing some people wont.... and it hurts the players and instead of them making the price relatively close to what they'd be making off this 1 viewer in add revenue they triple it to 9 dollars when in reality if this viewer is casual which is what most people are, they would be making about 3$ probably per person per month..... and were defending a guy who has already stated he uses adblock 100% of the time which is already the most selfish thing u could possibly do while supporting esports as a whole..... if u wanna support twitch thats great go for it but not at the cost of the players im glad that you wil lcontinue subscribing but not everyone can do it all.... we all have bills and some of us are just kids with no jobs that are in school... these 5$ subs then 15$ subs for tourneys then 9$ here for twitch then 15$ for nasl then 20$ for GSL and 20$ for proleague and all this other shit thats a lot of money now they can all just pay 9$ to twitch only and dont have to pay these extra 5$ to personal subs and why would u even want to when u can just donate and cut twitch out altogether? why should twitch get half of players subscribers revenue whenever they are removing reasons for viewers to subscribe to players versus subscribing to twitch...
I paid for every GSL ticket for 2+ years, have bought all but one ticket in-game in Dota2, paid for TSL+, paid for MLG Gold, paid for NASL Season 1, had a Beyondthesummit subscription, and now am a Twitch subscriber. Fuck off telling me I'm selfish and learn how to punctuate and spell.
devouring content from players while blocking the one benefit they get delivering it to you because u dont wanna mute an ad is pretty selfish..... and why do people always bring up english and grammar on internet forums? save it for your english class.... subbing to all of these tournaments is because u want something that isnt available to you for free =/
I bring it up because your posts are hard on the eyes and people would like/respect you more if you didn't write like a jackass. The rest of your post I can't even understand. I've put countless dollars into esports, mostly in tournaments where payment was optional and I could have just watched streams totally for free, and you want to talk shit about me for using adblock. Great, go fuck yourself.
how is he blocking the one benefit they get from delivering to you... theqat, as a turbo user, counts as an impression when they run their ad, so to the streamer, it's exactly the same whether he's turbo or not, except if he was using adblock, which he doesn't have to do NOW. Do you even know what you're talking about LiMEX17?
$9 a month seems kinda steep to me for what the features are right now, though i do like the fact that they are getting broadcasters paid with this. since they do state that this is the beginning of what they're hoping to introduce in the future i'm sure i'll end up getting sucked into this eventually
Ads shouldn't be allowed on the internet. I use adblock and won't ever stop. It is the responsibility of internet users to use adblock so ads will disappear.
On February 06 2013 06:32 RoieTRS wrote: Ads shouldn't be allowed on the internet. I use adblock and won't ever stop. It is the responsibility of internet users to use adblock so ads will disappear.
and then streaming disappears! what a fantastic idea.
On February 06 2013 05:46 Kazeyonoma wrote: how is he blocking the one benefit they get from delivering to you... theqat, as a turbo user, counts as an impression when they run their ad, so to the streamer, it's exactly the same whether he's turbo or not, except if he was using adblock, which he doesn't have to do NOW. Do you even know what you're talking about LiMEX17?
you clearly have came in at the end of a conversation... the amount gained from the "few" users that use adblock that will now purchase the 8.99$ subscription to twitch RATHER than just continue using there free ad block will not out do the personal subscriptions lost from there being an all rounder subscription directly to twitch.... hense players will lose more than they will gain....
On February 05 2013 01:57 Al Bundy wrote: Gotta love the fact that we have to PAY in order to NOT watch ads. Feels like i'm in business with the Mafia here
Mafia, what? They aren't going to break your kneecaps if you don't pay. This is a pretty regular way of monetizing things.
Well, that's not a very honest way to do business if you ask me. Back in the days, when people wanted to avoid ads, they simply switched channels. Anyway, there are a lot of foolish people on the internet who are willing to pay for stuff they can get for free, so GLHF to twitch.
It's not dishonest in any way, I'm not sure how you find anything dishonest in what they are doing.
You have the whole internet at your fingertips, when an ad comes on mute it and read some teamliquid.
From my perspective, they take something that's free and try to sell it. That does not sound legit. Let's be real here; the emoticons, the turbo badge, the expanded chat colors are unnecessary, shallow and superficial and definitely not worth paying for. Also what is a priority customer support? I've been watching twitch for years and I've never had the need to use their customer support.
Turbo is for people who aren't assholes and don't use adblock, but would prefer to see streams (they aren't assholes depriving streamers of their income by using adblock) without ads. Cherrio, consider not using adblock, because you treat the streamers as though they are whoring themselves out, showing games for free.
On February 06 2013 06:32 RoieTRS wrote: Ads shouldn't be allowed on the internet. I use adblock and won't ever stop. It is the responsibility of internet users to use adblock so ads will disappear.
ok, no streams! great idea, genius. and also, no teamliquid! what a wonderful idea, not to support the things we love
On February 06 2013 02:26 theqat wrote: It would be extraordinarily poor planning to rely on twitch-type income for your entire living with no backup plan. I don't really have any sympathy for someone who makes that choice unless twitch explicitly misled them. Just the facts that streamers aren't privy to twitch's financial figures or participants in meetings on the future path of the company makes it a very, very foolish idea.
In any case, quite a few streamers were doing all right financially before subscriptions existed, and there's not much reason to think that this would be much more than an income adjustment for that type of streamer.
using adblock is pointless and having this is pointless players dont do anything while ads are on and neither do shows or tournaments..... so not having the first ad is fine but the rest of it dosnt even matter theres no content to be watched during them regardless
This is categorically untrue. If there was no point, people wouldn't use adblock. The "point" of adblock is not having to constantly adjust your volume, not having to hear something that jarringly interrupts the flow of whatever else you're listening to, not having to view advertising in the first place, and on and on. Maybe you've never noticed, but most advertising has a particular tone of trying to sell you something. To me it's very grating; I don't want to hear it and I'll go to some lengths to avoid it. Ads are extremely annoying to many people and your understanding of the situation would be enhanced if you'd acknowledge that.
i dont find having to push a mute button every 30ish minutes worth paying 9$ a month. personally
Nice strawman, but that's not even close to covering what I'm talking about. Not only do you not have to mute things if you're using adblock, but if you're doing something else you don't have to tab back in to the stream. You don't have to look at that obnoxious ad if you're looking at the stream. You don't have to hear even one second of blasting-volume audio if you accidentally forget to mute before the ad. You don't have to mute your entire computer, including your music and/or games, just to get rid of that ad that doesn't have a volume/mute button on it.
You can use adblock to accomplish all that, but you'll know that you aren't supporting twitch or the streamer. Now twitch brings out Turbo, which--wait for it--you can use to support twitch and the streamer AND have the convenience level of adblock. It might not be to the level of a $5/mo subscription, but it's something for everyone instead of $5 to one or two guys.
There are people out there that care about this. You seem dead set on refusing to understand their perspective, but they exist whether you like it or not.
now you are trying to convince me why commercials are annoying?.... everyone knows they are annoying but we watch them to support esports..... and the key word here is sports .... the players are who matter not the streaming platform if twitch goes away a new person will replace them... if the players go away there is no need for a streaming platform you keep telling me how these players that its gonna hurt are the low percentage...... they are the "GOOD" players..... the ones that get tournaments 100k viewers...... the ones that matter....i see your perspective I just dont agree with it..... I think you are the one not seeing this from the pro players point of view...... but we'll see what happens 9$ is overpaying and its a greedy move by twitch its not even close to what even the most dedicated stream viewers could pull in with ad revenue.... keep saying "i dont feel sorry for the people relying on 5$ subscribers" just ignorant statements like this just gives me an off feeling about u...... ur basically admitting that they could and probably will lose money from this weather its gonna lose there house because of it or not is doubtful but ur basically saying the players should take the hit because it benefits u as a viewer... without these players you have nothing to view..... so maybe we should be catering to them and not to people like you with selfish attitudes..
That is not the point that he is trying to make at all. He is saying that Twitch is offer a product in an attempt to build a relationship with its viewers and build a direct form of monthly income. Curretly their business model is based on ad share and subscriptions to specific channels. Personally, I like it when I can directly interface with a company and pay them directly for a service. Companies that rely on ad to make their money(ie, Facebook) always have a conflict between serving me and serving the people who pay them. I would rather pay Twitch directly for the streaming and suffer through fewer or no ads, because I know what they do is not free and bandwidth cost a leg.
Twitch also found that people subscribe to channels to support the stream, rather than avoid ads. I currently subscribe to JP and this change will have no effect on my subscription at all. To tell the truth, there are times when I log out of my account, just so he will get ad revenue while I watching(normally while cooking or doing other chores). Avoiding ads is only a perk to supporting the channel, when I really know I am supporting SotG, Real Talk and the other Esports shows I enjoy. I also pay Giant Bomb monthly because I enjoy what they and their subscriber videos are great. Ads have little to do with my decision to do so and most people understand that ads are a necessary part of broadcasting. Twitch will take care of the broadcasters in some way and all of them are capable of sticking up for themselves and dealing with Twitch directly.
Twitch is a wonderful service, but it also one that cannot provide new free content forever. Twitch is tasks with the job of finding services that we are willing to pay for and then making money off of them. These services have to be above and beyond what they are providing for free. As someone who has paid nearly $100 monthly for cable TV at one point, $10 is nothing and the entertainment I get on Twitch is far more than anything I received though Comcast.
The community as a whole needs to get rid of the impression that everyone in this Esports world is rolling in money. Like all emerging markets, they are making ends meet and trying to build something larger each year. Personally, I like Twitch because they are buildings slowly and seem like the most responsable people in the scene right now.
Also, I will pay CASH MONEY for a roku app. CASH MONEY damn it.
content isnt free when there are ads..... they dont provide anything but a platform the players provide the content....even if some people stay loyal and keep subscribing some people wont.... and it hurts the players and instead of them making the price relatively close to what they'd be making off this 1 viewer in add revenue they triple it to 9 dollars when in reality if this viewer is casual which is what most people are, they would be making about 3$ probably per person per month..... and were defending a guy who has already stated he uses adblock 100% of the time which is already the most selfish thing u could possibly do while supporting esports as a whole..... if u wanna support twitch thats great go for it but not at the cost of the players im glad that you wil lcontinue subscribing but not everyone can do it all.... we all have bills and some of us are just kids with no jobs that are in school... these 5$ subs then 15$ subs for tourneys then 9$ here for twitch then 15$ for nasl then 20$ for GSL and 20$ for proleague and all this other shit thats a lot of money now they can all just pay 9$ to twitch only and dont have to pay these extra 5$ to personal subs and why would u even want to when u can just donate and cut twitch out altogether? why should twitch get half of players subscribers revenue whenever they are removing reasons for viewers to subscribe to players versus subscribing to twitch...
I paid for every GSL ticket for 2+ years, have bought all but one ticket in-game in Dota2, paid for TSL+, paid for MLG Gold, paid for NASL Season 1, had a Beyondthesummit subscription, and now am a Twitch subscriber. Fuck off telling me I'm selfish and learn how to punctuate and spell.
devouring content from players while blocking the one benefit they get delivering it to you because u dont wanna mute an ad is pretty selfish..... and why do people always bring up english and grammar on internet forums? save it for your english class.... subbing to all of these tournaments is because u want something that isnt available to you for free =/
I bring it up because your posts are hard on the eyes and people would like/respect you more if you didn't write like a jackass. The rest of your post I can't even understand. I've put countless dollars into esports, mostly in tournaments where payment was optional and I could have just watched streams totally for free, and you want to talk shit about me for using adblock. Great, go fuck yourself.
i definitely do not want or need you to like/respect me... your getting angry over a forum debate which is purely speculation and opinion... insulting my grammar and telling me to go fuck myself because i say using adblock is makes you selfish.. this has turned into nothing more than I do more than everyone else so kiss my ass sort of arguement so ill just leave it where it is..... final words 8.99$ = overpriced and players recieve 0$ of it yet twitch gets 50% of player subscriptions....
On February 06 2013 06:32 RoieTRS wrote: Ads shouldn't be allowed on the internet. I use adblock and won't ever stop. It is the responsibility of internet users to use adblock so ads will disappear.
ok, no streams! great idea, genius. and also, no teamliquid! what a wonderful idea, not to support the things we love
On February 06 2013 02:26 theqat wrote: It would be extraordinarily poor planning to rely on twitch-type income for your entire living with no backup plan. I don't really have any sympathy for someone who makes that choice unless twitch explicitly misled them. Just the facts that streamers aren't privy to twitch's financial figures or participants in meetings on the future path of the company makes it a very, very foolish idea.
In any case, quite a few streamers were doing all right financially before subscriptions existed, and there's not much reason to think that this would be much more than an income adjustment for that type of streamer.
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This is categorically untrue. If there was no point, people wouldn't use adblock. The "point" of adblock is not having to constantly adjust your volume, not having to hear something that jarringly interrupts the flow of whatever else you're listening to, not having to view advertising in the first place, and on and on. Maybe you've never noticed, but most advertising has a particular tone of trying to sell you something. To me it's very grating; I don't want to hear it and I'll go to some lengths to avoid it. Ads are extremely annoying to many people and your understanding of the situation would be enhanced if you'd acknowledge that.
i dont find having to push a mute button every 30ish minutes worth paying 9$ a month. personally
Nice strawman, but that's not even close to covering what I'm talking about. Not only do you not have to mute things if you're using adblock, but if you're doing something else you don't have to tab back in to the stream. You don't have to look at that obnoxious ad if you're looking at the stream. You don't have to hear even one second of blasting-volume audio if you accidentally forget to mute before the ad. You don't have to mute your entire computer, including your music and/or games, just to get rid of that ad that doesn't have a volume/mute button on it.
You can use adblock to accomplish all that, but you'll know that you aren't supporting twitch or the streamer. Now twitch brings out Turbo, which--wait for it--you can use to support twitch and the streamer AND have the convenience level of adblock. It might not be to the level of a $5/mo subscription, but it's something for everyone instead of $5 to one or two guys.
There are people out there that care about this. You seem dead set on refusing to understand their perspective, but they exist whether you like it or not.
now you are trying to convince me why commercials are annoying?.... everyone knows they are annoying but we watch them to support esports..... and the key word here is sports .... the players are who matter not the streaming platform if twitch goes away a new person will replace them... if the players go away there is no need for a streaming platform you keep telling me how these players that its gonna hurt are the low percentage...... they are the "GOOD" players..... the ones that get tournaments 100k viewers...... the ones that matter....i see your perspective I just dont agree with it..... I think you are the one not seeing this from the pro players point of view...... but we'll see what happens 9$ is overpaying and its a greedy move by twitch its not even close to what even the most dedicated stream viewers could pull in with ad revenue.... keep saying "i dont feel sorry for the people relying on 5$ subscribers" just ignorant statements like this just gives me an off feeling about u...... ur basically admitting that they could and probably will lose money from this weather its gonna lose there house because of it or not is doubtful but ur basically saying the players should take the hit because it benefits u as a viewer... without these players you have nothing to view..... so maybe we should be catering to them and not to people like you with selfish attitudes..
That is not the point that he is trying to make at all. He is saying that Twitch is offer a product in an attempt to build a relationship with its viewers and build a direct form of monthly income. Curretly their business model is based on ad share and subscriptions to specific channels. Personally, I like it when I can directly interface with a company and pay them directly for a service. Companies that rely on ad to make their money(ie, Facebook) always have a conflict between serving me and serving the people who pay them. I would rather pay Twitch directly for the streaming and suffer through fewer or no ads, because I know what they do is not free and bandwidth cost a leg.
Twitch also found that people subscribe to channels to support the stream, rather than avoid ads. I currently subscribe to JP and this change will have no effect on my subscription at all. To tell the truth, there are times when I log out of my account, just so he will get ad revenue while I watching(normally while cooking or doing other chores). Avoiding ads is only a perk to supporting the channel, when I really know I am supporting SotG, Real Talk and the other Esports shows I enjoy. I also pay Giant Bomb monthly because I enjoy what they and their subscriber videos are great. Ads have little to do with my decision to do so and most people understand that ads are a necessary part of broadcasting. Twitch will take care of the broadcasters in some way and all of them are capable of sticking up for themselves and dealing with Twitch directly.
Twitch is a wonderful service, but it also one that cannot provide new free content forever. Twitch is tasks with the job of finding services that we are willing to pay for and then making money off of them. These services have to be above and beyond what they are providing for free. As someone who has paid nearly $100 monthly for cable TV at one point, $10 is nothing and the entertainment I get on Twitch is far more than anything I received though Comcast.
The community as a whole needs to get rid of the impression that everyone in this Esports world is rolling in money. Like all emerging markets, they are making ends meet and trying to build something larger each year. Personally, I like Twitch because they are buildings slowly and seem like the most responsable people in the scene right now.
Also, I will pay CASH MONEY for a roku app. CASH MONEY damn it.
content isnt free when there are ads..... they dont provide anything but a platform the players provide the content....even if some people stay loyal and keep subscribing some people wont.... and it hurts the players and instead of them making the price relatively close to what they'd be making off this 1 viewer in add revenue they triple it to 9 dollars when in reality if this viewer is casual which is what most people are, they would be making about 3$ probably per person per month..... and were defending a guy who has already stated he uses adblock 100% of the time which is already the most selfish thing u could possibly do while supporting esports as a whole..... if u wanna support twitch thats great go for it but not at the cost of the players im glad that you wil lcontinue subscribing but not everyone can do it all.... we all have bills and some of us are just kids with no jobs that are in school... these 5$ subs then 15$ subs for tourneys then 9$ here for twitch then 15$ for nasl then 20$ for GSL and 20$ for proleague and all this other shit thats a lot of money now they can all just pay 9$ to twitch only and dont have to pay these extra 5$ to personal subs and why would u even want to when u can just donate and cut twitch out altogether? why should twitch get half of players subscribers revenue whenever they are removing reasons for viewers to subscribe to players versus subscribing to twitch...
I paid for every GSL ticket for 2+ years, have bought all but one ticket in-game in Dota2, paid for TSL+, paid for MLG Gold, paid for NASL Season 1, had a Beyondthesummit subscription, and now am a Twitch subscriber. Fuck off telling me I'm selfish and learn how to punctuate and spell.
devouring content from players while blocking the one benefit they get delivering it to you because u dont wanna mute an ad is pretty selfish..... and why do people always bring up english and grammar on internet forums? save it for your english class.... subbing to all of these tournaments is because u want something that isnt available to you for free =/
I bring it up because your posts are hard on the eyes and people would like/respect you more if you didn't write like a jackass. The rest of your post I can't even understand. I've put countless dollars into esports, mostly in tournaments where payment was optional and I could have just watched streams totally for free, and you want to talk shit about me for using adblock. Great, go fuck yourself.
i definitely do not want or need you to like/respect me... your getting angry over a forum debate which is purely speculation and opinion... insulting my grammar and telling me to go fuck myself because i say using adblock is makes you selfish.. this has turned into nothing more than I do more than everyone else so kiss my ass sort of arguement so ill just leave it where it is..... final words 8.99$ = overpriced and players recieve 0$ of it yet twitch gets 50% of player subscriptions....
Twitch provides the players with bandwidth, software and the ability to stream. As I stated in a previous post, which you did not read or just ignored, they spent more money than the players and are entitled to make it back.
i dont find having to push a mute button every 30ish minutes worth paying 9$ a month. personally
Nice strawman, but that's not even close to covering what I'm talking about. Not only do you not have to mute things if you're using adblock, but if you're doing something else you don't have to tab back in to the stream. You don't have to look at that obnoxious ad if you're looking at the stream. You don't have to hear even one second of blasting-volume audio if you accidentally forget to mute before the ad. You don't have to mute your entire computer, including your music and/or games, just to get rid of that ad that doesn't have a volume/mute button on it.
You can use adblock to accomplish all that, but you'll know that you aren't supporting twitch or the streamer. Now twitch brings out Turbo, which--wait for it--you can use to support twitch and the streamer AND have the convenience level of adblock. It might not be to the level of a $5/mo subscription, but it's something for everyone instead of $5 to one or two guys.
There are people out there that care about this. You seem dead set on refusing to understand their perspective, but they exist whether you like it or not.
now you are trying to convince me why commercials are annoying?.... everyone knows they are annoying but we watch them to support esports..... and the key word here is sports .... the players are who matter not the streaming platform if twitch goes away a new person will replace them... if the players go away there is no need for a streaming platform you keep telling me how these players that its gonna hurt are the low percentage...... they are the "GOOD" players..... the ones that get tournaments 100k viewers...... the ones that matter....i see your perspective I just dont agree with it..... I think you are the one not seeing this from the pro players point of view...... but we'll see what happens 9$ is overpaying and its a greedy move by twitch its not even close to what even the most dedicated stream viewers could pull in with ad revenue.... keep saying "i dont feel sorry for the people relying on 5$ subscribers" just ignorant statements like this just gives me an off feeling about u...... ur basically admitting that they could and probably will lose money from this weather its gonna lose there house because of it or not is doubtful but ur basically saying the players should take the hit because it benefits u as a viewer... without these players you have nothing to view..... so maybe we should be catering to them and not to people like you with selfish attitudes..
That is not the point that he is trying to make at all. He is saying that Twitch is offer a product in an attempt to build a relationship with its viewers and build a direct form of monthly income. Curretly their business model is based on ad share and subscriptions to specific channels. Personally, I like it when I can directly interface with a company and pay them directly for a service. Companies that rely on ad to make their money(ie, Facebook) always have a conflict between serving me and serving the people who pay them. I would rather pay Twitch directly for the streaming and suffer through fewer or no ads, because I know what they do is not free and bandwidth cost a leg.
Twitch also found that people subscribe to channels to support the stream, rather than avoid ads. I currently subscribe to JP and this change will have no effect on my subscription at all. To tell the truth, there are times when I log out of my account, just so he will get ad revenue while I watching(normally while cooking or doing other chores). Avoiding ads is only a perk to supporting the channel, when I really know I am supporting SotG, Real Talk and the other Esports shows I enjoy. I also pay Giant Bomb monthly because I enjoy what they and their subscriber videos are great. Ads have little to do with my decision to do so and most people understand that ads are a necessary part of broadcasting. Twitch will take care of the broadcasters in some way and all of them are capable of sticking up for themselves and dealing with Twitch directly.
Twitch is a wonderful service, but it also one that cannot provide new free content forever. Twitch is tasks with the job of finding services that we are willing to pay for and then making money off of them. These services have to be above and beyond what they are providing for free. As someone who has paid nearly $100 monthly for cable TV at one point, $10 is nothing and the entertainment I get on Twitch is far more than anything I received though Comcast.
The community as a whole needs to get rid of the impression that everyone in this Esports world is rolling in money. Like all emerging markets, they are making ends meet and trying to build something larger each year. Personally, I like Twitch because they are buildings slowly and seem like the most responsable people in the scene right now.
Also, I will pay CASH MONEY for a roku app. CASH MONEY damn it.
content isnt free when there are ads..... they dont provide anything but a platform the players provide the content....even if some people stay loyal and keep subscribing some people wont.... and it hurts the players and instead of them making the price relatively close to what they'd be making off this 1 viewer in add revenue they triple it to 9 dollars when in reality if this viewer is casual which is what most people are, they would be making about 3$ probably per person per month..... and were defending a guy who has already stated he uses adblock 100% of the time which is already the most selfish thing u could possibly do while supporting esports as a whole..... if u wanna support twitch thats great go for it but not at the cost of the players im glad that you wil lcontinue subscribing but not everyone can do it all.... we all have bills and some of us are just kids with no jobs that are in school... these 5$ subs then 15$ subs for tourneys then 9$ here for twitch then 15$ for nasl then 20$ for GSL and 20$ for proleague and all this other shit thats a lot of money now they can all just pay 9$ to twitch only and dont have to pay these extra 5$ to personal subs and why would u even want to when u can just donate and cut twitch out altogether? why should twitch get half of players subscribers revenue whenever they are removing reasons for viewers to subscribe to players versus subscribing to twitch...
I paid for every GSL ticket for 2+ years, have bought all but one ticket in-game in Dota2, paid for TSL+, paid for MLG Gold, paid for NASL Season 1, had a Beyondthesummit subscription, and now am a Twitch subscriber. Fuck off telling me I'm selfish and learn how to punctuate and spell.
devouring content from players while blocking the one benefit they get delivering it to you because u dont wanna mute an ad is pretty selfish..... and why do people always bring up english and grammar on internet forums? save it for your english class.... subbing to all of these tournaments is because u want something that isnt available to you for free =/
I bring it up because your posts are hard on the eyes and people would like/respect you more if you didn't write like a jackass. The rest of your post I can't even understand. I've put countless dollars into esports, mostly in tournaments where payment was optional and I could have just watched streams totally for free, and you want to talk shit about me for using adblock. Great, go fuck yourself.
i definitely do not want or need you to like/respect me... your getting angry over a forum debate which is purely speculation and opinion... insulting my grammar and telling me to go fuck myself because i say using adblock is makes you selfish.. this has turned into nothing more than I do more than everyone else so kiss my ass sort of arguement so ill just leave it where it is..... final words 8.99$ = overpriced and players recieve 0$ of it yet twitch gets 50% of player subscriptions....
Twitch provides the players with bandwidth, software and the ability to stream. As I stated in a previous post, which you did not read or just ignored, they spent more money than the players and are entitled to make it back.
were done here...... i am not some twitch hater that feels they should never make a profit but this is overpriced and benefits the players nothing can only hurt them and when its the players that are making you the money that your "entitled" to have they should not have to take hits so you can profit.
Nice strawman, but that's not even close to covering what I'm talking about. Not only do you not have to mute things if you're using adblock, but if you're doing something else you don't have to tab back in to the stream. You don't have to look at that obnoxious ad if you're looking at the stream. You don't have to hear even one second of blasting-volume audio if you accidentally forget to mute before the ad. You don't have to mute your entire computer, including your music and/or games, just to get rid of that ad that doesn't have a volume/mute button on it.
You can use adblock to accomplish all that, but you'll know that you aren't supporting twitch or the streamer. Now twitch brings out Turbo, which--wait for it--you can use to support twitch and the streamer AND have the convenience level of adblock. It might not be to the level of a $5/mo subscription, but it's something for everyone instead of $5 to one or two guys.
There are people out there that care about this. You seem dead set on refusing to understand their perspective, but they exist whether you like it or not.
now you are trying to convince me why commercials are annoying?.... everyone knows they are annoying but we watch them to support esports..... and the key word here is sports .... the players are who matter not the streaming platform if twitch goes away a new person will replace them... if the players go away there is no need for a streaming platform you keep telling me how these players that its gonna hurt are the low percentage...... they are the "GOOD" players..... the ones that get tournaments 100k viewers...... the ones that matter....i see your perspective I just dont agree with it..... I think you are the one not seeing this from the pro players point of view...... but we'll see what happens 9$ is overpaying and its a greedy move by twitch its not even close to what even the most dedicated stream viewers could pull in with ad revenue.... keep saying "i dont feel sorry for the people relying on 5$ subscribers" just ignorant statements like this just gives me an off feeling about u...... ur basically admitting that they could and probably will lose money from this weather its gonna lose there house because of it or not is doubtful but ur basically saying the players should take the hit because it benefits u as a viewer... without these players you have nothing to view..... so maybe we should be catering to them and not to people like you with selfish attitudes..
That is not the point that he is trying to make at all. He is saying that Twitch is offer a product in an attempt to build a relationship with its viewers and build a direct form of monthly income. Curretly their business model is based on ad share and subscriptions to specific channels. Personally, I like it when I can directly interface with a company and pay them directly for a service. Companies that rely on ad to make their money(ie, Facebook) always have a conflict between serving me and serving the people who pay them. I would rather pay Twitch directly for the streaming and suffer through fewer or no ads, because I know what they do is not free and bandwidth cost a leg.
Twitch also found that people subscribe to channels to support the stream, rather than avoid ads. I currently subscribe to JP and this change will have no effect on my subscription at all. To tell the truth, there are times when I log out of my account, just so he will get ad revenue while I watching(normally while cooking or doing other chores). Avoiding ads is only a perk to supporting the channel, when I really know I am supporting SotG, Real Talk and the other Esports shows I enjoy. I also pay Giant Bomb monthly because I enjoy what they and their subscriber videos are great. Ads have little to do with my decision to do so and most people understand that ads are a necessary part of broadcasting. Twitch will take care of the broadcasters in some way and all of them are capable of sticking up for themselves and dealing with Twitch directly.
Twitch is a wonderful service, but it also one that cannot provide new free content forever. Twitch is tasks with the job of finding services that we are willing to pay for and then making money off of them. These services have to be above and beyond what they are providing for free. As someone who has paid nearly $100 monthly for cable TV at one point, $10 is nothing and the entertainment I get on Twitch is far more than anything I received though Comcast.
The community as a whole needs to get rid of the impression that everyone in this Esports world is rolling in money. Like all emerging markets, they are making ends meet and trying to build something larger each year. Personally, I like Twitch because they are buildings slowly and seem like the most responsable people in the scene right now.
Also, I will pay CASH MONEY for a roku app. CASH MONEY damn it.
content isnt free when there are ads..... they dont provide anything but a platform the players provide the content....even if some people stay loyal and keep subscribing some people wont.... and it hurts the players and instead of them making the price relatively close to what they'd be making off this 1 viewer in add revenue they triple it to 9 dollars when in reality if this viewer is casual which is what most people are, they would be making about 3$ probably per person per month..... and were defending a guy who has already stated he uses adblock 100% of the time which is already the most selfish thing u could possibly do while supporting esports as a whole..... if u wanna support twitch thats great go for it but not at the cost of the players im glad that you wil lcontinue subscribing but not everyone can do it all.... we all have bills and some of us are just kids with no jobs that are in school... these 5$ subs then 15$ subs for tourneys then 9$ here for twitch then 15$ for nasl then 20$ for GSL and 20$ for proleague and all this other shit thats a lot of money now they can all just pay 9$ to twitch only and dont have to pay these extra 5$ to personal subs and why would u even want to when u can just donate and cut twitch out altogether? why should twitch get half of players subscribers revenue whenever they are removing reasons for viewers to subscribe to players versus subscribing to twitch...
I paid for every GSL ticket for 2+ years, have bought all but one ticket in-game in Dota2, paid for TSL+, paid for MLG Gold, paid for NASL Season 1, had a Beyondthesummit subscription, and now am a Twitch subscriber. Fuck off telling me I'm selfish and learn how to punctuate and spell.
devouring content from players while blocking the one benefit they get delivering it to you because u dont wanna mute an ad is pretty selfish..... and why do people always bring up english and grammar on internet forums? save it for your english class.... subbing to all of these tournaments is because u want something that isnt available to you for free =/
I bring it up because your posts are hard on the eyes and people would like/respect you more if you didn't write like a jackass. The rest of your post I can't even understand. I've put countless dollars into esports, mostly in tournaments where payment was optional and I could have just watched streams totally for free, and you want to talk shit about me for using adblock. Great, go fuck yourself.
i definitely do not want or need you to like/respect me... your getting angry over a forum debate which is purely speculation and opinion... insulting my grammar and telling me to go fuck myself because i say using adblock is makes you selfish.. this has turned into nothing more than I do more than everyone else so kiss my ass sort of arguement so ill just leave it where it is..... final words 8.99$ = overpriced and players recieve 0$ of it yet twitch gets 50% of player subscriptions....
Twitch provides the players with bandwidth, software and the ability to stream. As I stated in a previous post, which you did not read or just ignored, they spent more money than the players and are entitled to make it back.
were done here
Who's we? I just got here and wanted to start talking about this?
On February 06 2013 05:46 Kazeyonoma wrote: how is he blocking the one benefit they get from delivering to you... theqat, as a turbo user, counts as an impression when they run their ad, so to the streamer, it's exactly the same whether he's turbo or not, except if he was using adblock, which he doesn't have to do NOW. Do you even know what you're talking about LiMEX17?
you clearly have came in at the end of a conversation... the amount gained from the "few" users that use adblock that will now purchase the 8.99$ subscription to twitch RATHER than just continue using there free ad block will not out do the personal subscriptions lost from there being an all rounder subscription directly to twitch.... hense players will lose more than they will gain....
That's stupid.
People who really don't want ads are not subscring to personal stream, that's just not the case. They all download adblock. People who subscribe to personnals or events stream are doing it because they want to support the guy, they want to gain others benefit the streamer/event is giving (Day9 monobattles, real HD support like PL/NASL/IPL and now GOMTV on twitch) and twitch turbo will have absolutly zero impact on that. They will not suddenly stop subscribing to those simply because they can pay 8,99 for no ads directly on twitch...
Seriously, that will have absolutly zero impact on pretty much every streamers. Hell, it will probably have a good impact on most streamers revenue. Probably not by much, but still.
On February 06 2013 05:46 Kazeyonoma wrote: how is he blocking the one benefit they get from delivering to you... theqat, as a turbo user, counts as an impression when they run their ad, so to the streamer, it's exactly the same whether he's turbo or not, except if he was using adblock, which he doesn't have to do NOW. Do you even know what you're talking about LiMEX17?
you clearly have came in at the end of a conversation... the amount gained from the "few" users that use adblock that will now purchase the 8.99$ subscription to twitch RATHER than just continue using there free ad block will not out do the personal subscriptions lost from there being an all rounder subscription directly to twitch.... hense players will lose more than they will gain....
That's stupid.
People who really don't want ads are not subscring to personal stream, that's just not the case. They all download adblock. People who subscribe to personnals or events stream are doing it because they want to support the guy, they want to gain others benefit the streamer/event is giving (Day9 monobattles, real HD support like PL/NASL/IPL and now GOMTV on twitch) and twitch turbo will have absolutly zero impact on that. They will not suddenly stop subscribing to those simply because they can pay 8,99 for no ads directly on twitch...
Seriously, that will have absolutly zero impact on pretty much every streamers. Hell, it will probably have a good impact on most streamers revenue. Probably not by much, but still.
hope your right... but that is your opinion I can see this impacting subscriber numbers
On February 06 2013 06:32 RoieTRS wrote: Ads shouldn't be allowed on the internet. I use adblock and won't ever stop. It is the responsibility of internet users to use adblock so ads will disappear.
ok, no streams! great idea, genius. and also, no teamliquid! what a wonderful idea, not to support the things we love
On February 06 2013 06:52 Rulker wrote: Turbo is for people who aren't assholes and don't use adblock, but would prefer to see streams (they aren't assholes depriving streamers of their income by using adblock) without ads. Cherrio, consider not using adblock, because you treat the streamers as though they are whoring themselves out, showing games for free.
Showing games for free? Whoring themselves out?
When streaming games first surfaced, people did it for their genuine enjoyment of having other people watch them play. Sure, making money from it is cool and all but at the end of the day they are streaming a video game. I don't feel like an asshole at all for blocking intrusive ads.
On February 06 2013 06:32 RoieTRS wrote: Ads shouldn't be allowed on the internet. I use adblock and won't ever stop. It is the responsibility of internet users to use adblock so ads will disappear.
ok, no streams! great idea, genius. and also, no teamliquid! what a wonderful idea, not to support the things we love
fuck this attitude
Streaming was around before ads appeared on them.
And they didn't get paid. Good try though. They dont get paid > teams get no money > teams fall apart > no streams > no streaming websites.
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