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On February 06 2013 02:26 theqat wrote:It would be extraordinarily poor planning to rely on twitch-type income for your entire living with no backup plan. I don't really have any sympathy for someone who makes that choice unless twitch explicitly misled them. Just the facts that streamers aren't privy to twitch's financial figures or participants in meetings on the future path of the company makes it a very, very foolish idea. In any case, quite a few streamers were doing all right financially before subscriptions existed, and there's not much reason to think that this would be much more than an income adjustment for that type of streamer. Show nested quote +using adblock is pointless and having this is pointless players dont do anything while ads are on and neither do shows or tournaments..... so not having the first ad is fine but the rest of it dosnt even matter theres no content to be watched during them regardless This is categorically untrue. If there was no point, people wouldn't use adblock. The "point" of adblock is not having to constantly adjust your volume, not having to hear something that jarringly interrupts the flow of whatever else you're listening to, not having to view advertising in the first place, and on and on. Maybe you've never noticed, but most advertising has a particular tone of trying to sell you something. To me it's very grating; I don't want to hear it and I'll go to some lengths to avoid it. Ads are extremely annoying to many people and your understanding of the situation would be enhanced if you'd acknowledge that.
i dont find having to push a mute button every 30ish minutes worth paying 9$ a month. personally
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On February 06 2013 02:34 LiMEX17 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 02:26 theqat wrote:It would be extraordinarily poor planning to rely on twitch-type income for your entire living with no backup plan. I don't really have any sympathy for someone who makes that choice unless twitch explicitly misled them. Just the facts that streamers aren't privy to twitch's financial figures or participants in meetings on the future path of the company makes it a very, very foolish idea. In any case, quite a few streamers were doing all right financially before subscriptions existed, and there's not much reason to think that this would be much more than an income adjustment for that type of streamer. using adblock is pointless and having this is pointless players dont do anything while ads are on and neither do shows or tournaments..... so not having the first ad is fine but the rest of it dosnt even matter theres no content to be watched during them regardless This is categorically untrue. If there was no point, people wouldn't use adblock. The "point" of adblock is not having to constantly adjust your volume, not having to hear something that jarringly interrupts the flow of whatever else you're listening to, not having to view advertising in the first place, and on and on. Maybe you've never noticed, but most advertising has a particular tone of trying to sell you something. To me it's very grating; I don't want to hear it and I'll go to some lengths to avoid it. Ads are extremely annoying to many people and your understanding of the situation would be enhanced if you'd acknowledge that. i dont find having to push a mute button every 30ish minutes worth paying 9$ a month. personally
Nice strawman, but that's not even close to covering what I'm talking about. Not only do you not have to mute things if you're using adblock, but if you're doing something else you don't have to tab back in to the stream. You don't have to look at that obnoxious ad if you're looking at the stream. You don't have to hear even one second of blasting-volume audio if you accidentally forget to mute before the ad. You don't have to mute your entire computer, including your music and/or games, just to get rid of that ad that doesn't have a volume/mute button on it.
You can use adblock to accomplish all that, but you'll know that you aren't supporting twitch or the streamer. Now twitch brings out Turbo, which--wait for it--you can use to support twitch and the streamer AND have the convenience level of adblock. It might not be to the level of a $5/mo subscription, but it's something for everyone instead of $5 to one or two guys.
There are people out there that care about this. You seem dead set on refusing to understand their perspective, but they exist whether you like it or not.
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On February 06 2013 02:43 theqat wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 02:34 LiMEX17 wrote:On February 06 2013 02:26 theqat wrote:It would be extraordinarily poor planning to rely on twitch-type income for your entire living with no backup plan. I don't really have any sympathy for someone who makes that choice unless twitch explicitly misled them. Just the facts that streamers aren't privy to twitch's financial figures or participants in meetings on the future path of the company makes it a very, very foolish idea. In any case, quite a few streamers were doing all right financially before subscriptions existed, and there's not much reason to think that this would be much more than an income adjustment for that type of streamer. using adblock is pointless and having this is pointless players dont do anything while ads are on and neither do shows or tournaments..... so not having the first ad is fine but the rest of it dosnt even matter theres no content to be watched during them regardless This is categorically untrue. If there was no point, people wouldn't use adblock. The "point" of adblock is not having to constantly adjust your volume, not having to hear something that jarringly interrupts the flow of whatever else you're listening to, not having to view advertising in the first place, and on and on. Maybe you've never noticed, but most advertising has a particular tone of trying to sell you something. To me it's very grating; I don't want to hear it and I'll go to some lengths to avoid it. Ads are extremely annoying to many people and your understanding of the situation would be enhanced if you'd acknowledge that. i dont find having to push a mute button every 30ish minutes worth paying 9$ a month. personally Nice strawman, but that's not even close to covering what I'm talking about. Not only do you not have to mute things if you're using adblock, but if you're doing something else you don't have to tab back in to the stream. You don't have to look at that obnoxious ad if you're looking at the stream. You don't have to hear even one second of blasting-volume audio if you accidentally forget to mute before the ad. You don't have to mute your entire computer, including your music and/or games, just to get rid of that ad that doesn't have a volume/mute button on it. You can use adblock to accomplish all that, but you'll know that you aren't supporting twitch or the streamer. Now twitch brings out Turbo, which--wait for it--you can use to support twitch and the streamer AND have the convenience level of adblock. It might not be to the level of a $5/mo subscription, but it's something for everyone instead of $5 to one or two guys. There are people out there that care about this. You seem dead set on refusing to understand their perspective, but they exist whether you like it or not.
now you are trying to convince me why commercials are annoying?.... everyone knows they are annoying but we watch them to support esports..... and the key word here is sports .... the players are who matter not the streaming platform if twitch goes away a new person will replace them... if the players go away there is no need for a streaming platform you keep telling me how these players that its gonna hurt are the low percentage...... they are the "GOOD" players..... the ones that get tournaments 100k viewers...... the ones that matter....i see your perspective I just dont agree with it..... I think you are the one not seeing this from the pro players point of view...... but we'll see what happens 9$ is overpaying and its a greedy move by twitch its not even close to what even the most dedicated stream viewers could pull in with ad revenue.... keep saying "i dont feel sorry for the people relying on 5$ subscribers" just ignorant statements like this just gives me an off feeling about u...... ur basically admitting that they could and probably will lose money from this wether its gonna lose there house because of it or not is doubtful but ur basically saying the players should take the hit because it benefits u as a viewer... without these players you have nothing to view..... so maybe we should be catering to them and not to people like you with selfish attitudes..
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On February 05 2013 00:09 Grettin wrote:Here is the announcementShow nested quote +Ad-free Twitch: No pre-rolls, no mid-rolls, no companions, no display ads, and broadcasters still get paid. All you see are front-page takeovers. All i hope is that Twitch won't turn for the same as Justin.tv. If you aren't subscriber, you won't be able to watch a certain stream sometimes because of the limit where X amount of people are able to watch the stream from your country, or whatever it is. But i doubt that will happen.
Twitch is basically justin...well justin was bought by twitch or something like that...so i doubt they will follow down that road.
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I think it's an interesting concept. I am sure they have done a lot of research before launching it, personally I like it because it just shows they are finding more ways to generate revenue
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On February 06 2013 03:02 LiMEX17 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 02:43 theqat wrote:On February 06 2013 02:34 LiMEX17 wrote:On February 06 2013 02:26 theqat wrote:It would be extraordinarily poor planning to rely on twitch-type income for your entire living with no backup plan. I don't really have any sympathy for someone who makes that choice unless twitch explicitly misled them. Just the facts that streamers aren't privy to twitch's financial figures or participants in meetings on the future path of the company makes it a very, very foolish idea. In any case, quite a few streamers were doing all right financially before subscriptions existed, and there's not much reason to think that this would be much more than an income adjustment for that type of streamer. using adblock is pointless and having this is pointless players dont do anything while ads are on and neither do shows or tournaments..... so not having the first ad is fine but the rest of it dosnt even matter theres no content to be watched during them regardless This is categorically untrue. If there was no point, people wouldn't use adblock. The "point" of adblock is not having to constantly adjust your volume, not having to hear something that jarringly interrupts the flow of whatever else you're listening to, not having to view advertising in the first place, and on and on. Maybe you've never noticed, but most advertising has a particular tone of trying to sell you something. To me it's very grating; I don't want to hear it and I'll go to some lengths to avoid it. Ads are extremely annoying to many people and your understanding of the situation would be enhanced if you'd acknowledge that. i dont find having to push a mute button every 30ish minutes worth paying 9$ a month. personally Nice strawman, but that's not even close to covering what I'm talking about. Not only do you not have to mute things if you're using adblock, but if you're doing something else you don't have to tab back in to the stream. You don't have to look at that obnoxious ad if you're looking at the stream. You don't have to hear even one second of blasting-volume audio if you accidentally forget to mute before the ad. You don't have to mute your entire computer, including your music and/or games, just to get rid of that ad that doesn't have a volume/mute button on it. You can use adblock to accomplish all that, but you'll know that you aren't supporting twitch or the streamer. Now twitch brings out Turbo, which--wait for it--you can use to support twitch and the streamer AND have the convenience level of adblock. It might not be to the level of a $5/mo subscription, but it's something for everyone instead of $5 to one or two guys. There are people out there that care about this. You seem dead set on refusing to understand their perspective, but they exist whether you like it or not. now you are trying to convince me why commercials are annoying?.... everyone knows they are annoying but we watch them to support esports..... and the key word here is sports .... the players are who matter not the streaming platform if twitch goes away a new person will replace them... if the players go away there is no need for a streaming platform you keep telling me how these players that its gonna hurt are the low percentage...... they are the "GOOD" players..... the ones that get tournaments 100k viewers...... the ones that matter....i see your perspective I just dont agree with it..... I think you are the one not seeing this from the pro players point of view...... but we'll see what happens 9$ is overpaying and its a greedy move by twitch its not even close to what even the most dedicated stream viewers could pull in with ad revenue.... keep saying "i dont feel sorry for the people relying on 5$ subscribers" just ignorant statements like this just gives me an off feeling about u...... ur basically admitting that they could and probably will lose money from this weather its gonna lose there house because of it or not is doubtful but ur basically saying the players should take the hit because it benefits u as a viewer... without these players you have nothing to view..... so maybe we should be catering to them and not to people like you with selfish attitudes..
That is not the point that he is trying to make at all. He is saying that Twitch is offer a product in an attempt to build a relationship with its viewers and build a direct form of monthly income. Curretly their business model is based on ad share and subscriptions to specific channels. Personally, I like it when I can directly interface with a company and pay them directly for a service. Companies that rely on ad to make their money(ie, Facebook) always have a conflict between serving me and serving the people who pay them. I would rather pay Twitch directly for the streaming and suffer through fewer or no ads, because I know what they do is not free and bandwidth cost a leg.
Twitch also found that people subscribe to channels to support the stream, rather than avoid ads. I currently subscribe to JP and this change will have no effect on my subscription at all. To tell the truth, there are times when I log out of my account, just so he will get ad revenue while I watching(normally while cooking or doing other chores). Avoiding ads is only a perk to supporting the channel, when I really know I am supporting SotG, Real Talk and the other Esports shows I enjoy. I also pay Giant Bomb monthly because I enjoy what they and their subscriber videos are great. Ads have little to do with my decision to do so and most people understand that ads are a necessary part of broadcasting. Twitch will take care of the broadcasters in some way and all of them are capable of sticking up for themselves and dealing with Twitch directly.
Twitch is a wonderful service, but it also one that cannot provide new free content forever. Twitch is tasks with the job of finding services that we are willing to pay for and then making money off of them. These services have to be above and beyond what they are providing for free. As someone who has paid nearly $100 monthly for cable TV at one point, $10 is nothing and the entertainment I get on Twitch is far more than anything I received though Comcast.
The community as a whole needs to get rid of the impression that everyone in this Esports world is rolling in money. Like all emerging markets, they are making ends meet and trying to build something larger each year. Personally, I like Twitch because they are buildings slowly and seem like the most responsable people in the scene right now.
Also, I will pay CASH MONEY for a roku app. CASH MONEY damn it.
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On February 06 2013 03:27 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 03:02 LiMEX17 wrote:On February 06 2013 02:43 theqat wrote:On February 06 2013 02:34 LiMEX17 wrote:On February 06 2013 02:26 theqat wrote:It would be extraordinarily poor planning to rely on twitch-type income for your entire living with no backup plan. I don't really have any sympathy for someone who makes that choice unless twitch explicitly misled them. Just the facts that streamers aren't privy to twitch's financial figures or participants in meetings on the future path of the company makes it a very, very foolish idea. In any case, quite a few streamers were doing all right financially before subscriptions existed, and there's not much reason to think that this would be much more than an income adjustment for that type of streamer. using adblock is pointless and having this is pointless players dont do anything while ads are on and neither do shows or tournaments..... so not having the first ad is fine but the rest of it dosnt even matter theres no content to be watched during them regardless This is categorically untrue. If there was no point, people wouldn't use adblock. The "point" of adblock is not having to constantly adjust your volume, not having to hear something that jarringly interrupts the flow of whatever else you're listening to, not having to view advertising in the first place, and on and on. Maybe you've never noticed, but most advertising has a particular tone of trying to sell you something. To me it's very grating; I don't want to hear it and I'll go to some lengths to avoid it. Ads are extremely annoying to many people and your understanding of the situation would be enhanced if you'd acknowledge that. i dont find having to push a mute button every 30ish minutes worth paying 9$ a month. personally Nice strawman, but that's not even close to covering what I'm talking about. Not only do you not have to mute things if you're using adblock, but if you're doing something else you don't have to tab back in to the stream. You don't have to look at that obnoxious ad if you're looking at the stream. You don't have to hear even one second of blasting-volume audio if you accidentally forget to mute before the ad. You don't have to mute your entire computer, including your music and/or games, just to get rid of that ad that doesn't have a volume/mute button on it. You can use adblock to accomplish all that, but you'll know that you aren't supporting twitch or the streamer. Now twitch brings out Turbo, which--wait for it--you can use to support twitch and the streamer AND have the convenience level of adblock. It might not be to the level of a $5/mo subscription, but it's something for everyone instead of $5 to one or two guys. There are people out there that care about this. You seem dead set on refusing to understand their perspective, but they exist whether you like it or not. now you are trying to convince me why commercials are annoying?.... everyone knows they are annoying but we watch them to support esports..... and the key word here is sports .... the players are who matter not the streaming platform if twitch goes away a new person will replace them... if the players go away there is no need for a streaming platform you keep telling me how these players that its gonna hurt are the low percentage...... they are the "GOOD" players..... the ones that get tournaments 100k viewers...... the ones that matter....i see your perspective I just dont agree with it..... I think you are the one not seeing this from the pro players point of view...... but we'll see what happens 9$ is overpaying and its a greedy move by twitch its not even close to what even the most dedicated stream viewers could pull in with ad revenue.... keep saying "i dont feel sorry for the people relying on 5$ subscribers" just ignorant statements like this just gives me an off feeling about u...... ur basically admitting that they could and probably will lose money from this weather its gonna lose there house because of it or not is doubtful but ur basically saying the players should take the hit because it benefits u as a viewer... without these players you have nothing to view..... so maybe we should be catering to them and not to people like you with selfish attitudes.. That is not the point that he is trying to make at all. He is saying that Twitch is offer a product in an attempt to build a relationship with its viewers and build a direct form of monthly income. Curretly their business model is based on ad share and subscriptions to specific channels. Personally, I like it when I can directly interface with a company and pay them directly for a service. Companies that rely on ad to make their money(ie, Facebook) always have a conflict between serving me and serving the people who pay them. I would rather pay Twitch directly for the streaming and suffer through fewer or no ads, because I know what they do is not free and bandwidth cost a leg. Twitch also found that people subscribe to channels to support the stream, rather than avoid ads. I currently subscribe to JP and this change will have no effect on my subscription at all. To tell the truth, there are times when I log out of my account, just so he will get ad revenue while I watching(normally while cooking or doing other chores). Avoiding ads is only a perk to supporting the channel, when I really know I am supporting SotG, Real Talk and the other Esports shows I enjoy. I also pay Giant Bomb monthly because I enjoy what they and their subscriber videos are great. Ads have little to do with my decision to do so and most people understand that ads are a necessary part of broadcasting. Twitch will take care of the broadcasters in some way and all of them are capable of sticking up for themselves and dealing with Twitch directly. Twitch is a wonderful service, but it also one that cannot provide new free content forever. Twitch is tasks with the job of finding services that we are willing to pay for and then making money off of them. These services have to be above and beyond what they are providing for free. As someone who has paid nearly $100 monthly for cable TV at one point, $10 is nothing and the entertainment I get on Twitch is far more than anything I received though Comcast. The community as a whole needs to get rid of the impression that everyone in this Esports world is rolling in money. Like all emerging markets, they are making ends meet and trying to build something larger each year. Personally, I like Twitch because they are buildings slowly and seem like the most responsable people in the scene right now. Also, I will pay CASH MONEY for a roku app. CASH MONEY damn it.
content isnt free when there are ads..... they dont provide anything but a platform the players provide the content....even if some people stay loyal and keep subscribing some people wont.... and it hurts the players and instead of them making the price relatively close to what they'd be making off this 1 viewer in add revenue they triple it to 9 dollars when in reality if this viewer is casual which is what most people are, they would be making about 3$ probably per person per month..... and were defending a guy who has already stated he uses adblock 100% of the time which is already the most selfish thing u could possibly do while supporting esports as a whole..... if u wanna support twitch thats great go for it but not at the cost of the players im glad that you wil lcontinue subscribing but not everyone can do it all.... we all have bills and some of us are just kids with no jobs that are in school... these 5$ subs then 15$ subs for tourneys then 9$ here for twitch then 15$ for nasl then 20$ for GSL and 20$ for proleague and all this other shit thats a lot of money now they can all just pay 9$ to twitch only and dont have to pay these extra 5$ to personal subs and why would u even want to when u can just donate and cut twitch out altogether? why should twitch get half of players subscribers revenue whenever they are removing reasons for viewers to subscribe to players versus subscribing to twitch...
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I'm so ashamed to use adblock after reading this thread, but that's not going to stop me, sorry. Though I feel way more guilty about it now than, lets say, downloading the last thousand or so movies I've watched or a few hundred gigs of albums in lossless FLAC format.
I should add that I pay the $109 a year for GSL + and the $5 ticket for proleague, so i'm not "killing e-sports" by "depriving" people from revenue. I have considered paying the $5 or whatever to subscribe to a particular channel but though haven't done it aside from i think either $5 or $10 once to IPL.
Reason behind my using adblock is that most commercials insult my intelligence, and do not actually benefit me, since I wouldn't have bought their product or used their service in the first place - not because I'm cheap, but because it doesn't apply to me. If I could get targeted ads by plugging in my facebook username then I might change my mind. I hate ads so much I pay the $10 for spotify, and recommend others do the same, and I never watch TV shows on TV (only download). Fix the ads.
I agree with the idea I think Nazgul brought it up, but to choose 3, or 4, channels you want your twitch subscription to go to. Sort of like allocating money to whichever charity you see fit. I also agree with the poster above me, more or less.
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On February 06 2013 03:52 LiMEX17 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 03:27 Plansix wrote:On February 06 2013 03:02 LiMEX17 wrote:On February 06 2013 02:43 theqat wrote:On February 06 2013 02:34 LiMEX17 wrote:On February 06 2013 02:26 theqat wrote:It would be extraordinarily poor planning to rely on twitch-type income for your entire living with no backup plan. I don't really have any sympathy for someone who makes that choice unless twitch explicitly misled them. Just the facts that streamers aren't privy to twitch's financial figures or participants in meetings on the future path of the company makes it a very, very foolish idea. In any case, quite a few streamers were doing all right financially before subscriptions existed, and there's not much reason to think that this would be much more than an income adjustment for that type of streamer. using adblock is pointless and having this is pointless players dont do anything while ads are on and neither do shows or tournaments..... so not having the first ad is fine but the rest of it dosnt even matter theres no content to be watched during them regardless This is categorically untrue. If there was no point, people wouldn't use adblock. The "point" of adblock is not having to constantly adjust your volume, not having to hear something that jarringly interrupts the flow of whatever else you're listening to, not having to view advertising in the first place, and on and on. Maybe you've never noticed, but most advertising has a particular tone of trying to sell you something. To me it's very grating; I don't want to hear it and I'll go to some lengths to avoid it. Ads are extremely annoying to many people and your understanding of the situation would be enhanced if you'd acknowledge that. i dont find having to push a mute button every 30ish minutes worth paying 9$ a month. personally Nice strawman, but that's not even close to covering what I'm talking about. Not only do you not have to mute things if you're using adblock, but if you're doing something else you don't have to tab back in to the stream. You don't have to look at that obnoxious ad if you're looking at the stream. You don't have to hear even one second of blasting-volume audio if you accidentally forget to mute before the ad. You don't have to mute your entire computer, including your music and/or games, just to get rid of that ad that doesn't have a volume/mute button on it. You can use adblock to accomplish all that, but you'll know that you aren't supporting twitch or the streamer. Now twitch brings out Turbo, which--wait for it--you can use to support twitch and the streamer AND have the convenience level of adblock. It might not be to the level of a $5/mo subscription, but it's something for everyone instead of $5 to one or two guys. There are people out there that care about this. You seem dead set on refusing to understand their perspective, but they exist whether you like it or not. now you are trying to convince me why commercials are annoying?.... everyone knows they are annoying but we watch them to support esports..... and the key word here is sports .... the players are who matter not the streaming platform if twitch goes away a new person will replace them... if the players go away there is no need for a streaming platform you keep telling me how these players that its gonna hurt are the low percentage...... they are the "GOOD" players..... the ones that get tournaments 100k viewers...... the ones that matter....i see your perspective I just dont agree with it..... I think you are the one not seeing this from the pro players point of view...... but we'll see what happens 9$ is overpaying and its a greedy move by twitch its not even close to what even the most dedicated stream viewers could pull in with ad revenue.... keep saying "i dont feel sorry for the people relying on 5$ subscribers" just ignorant statements like this just gives me an off feeling about u...... ur basically admitting that they could and probably will lose money from this weather its gonna lose there house because of it or not is doubtful but ur basically saying the players should take the hit because it benefits u as a viewer... without these players you have nothing to view..... so maybe we should be catering to them and not to people like you with selfish attitudes.. That is not the point that he is trying to make at all. He is saying that Twitch is offer a product in an attempt to build a relationship with its viewers and build a direct form of monthly income. Curretly their business model is based on ad share and subscriptions to specific channels. Personally, I like it when I can directly interface with a company and pay them directly for a service. Companies that rely on ad to make their money(ie, Facebook) always have a conflict between serving me and serving the people who pay them. I would rather pay Twitch directly for the streaming and suffer through fewer or no ads, because I know what they do is not free and bandwidth cost a leg. Twitch also found that people subscribe to channels to support the stream, rather than avoid ads. I currently subscribe to JP and this change will have no effect on my subscription at all. To tell the truth, there are times when I log out of my account, just so he will get ad revenue while I watching(normally while cooking or doing other chores). Avoiding ads is only a perk to supporting the channel, when I really know I am supporting SotG, Real Talk and the other Esports shows I enjoy. I also pay Giant Bomb monthly because I enjoy what they and their subscriber videos are great. Ads have little to do with my decision to do so and most people understand that ads are a necessary part of broadcasting. Twitch will take care of the broadcasters in some way and all of them are capable of sticking up for themselves and dealing with Twitch directly. Twitch is a wonderful service, but it also one that cannot provide new free content forever. Twitch is tasks with the job of finding services that we are willing to pay for and then making money off of them. These services have to be above and beyond what they are providing for free. As someone who has paid nearly $100 monthly for cable TV at one point, $10 is nothing and the entertainment I get on Twitch is far more than anything I received though Comcast. The community as a whole needs to get rid of the impression that everyone in this Esports world is rolling in money. Like all emerging markets, they are making ends meet and trying to build something larger each year. Personally, I like Twitch because they are buildings slowly and seem like the most responsable people in the scene right now. Also, I will pay CASH MONEY for a roku app. CASH MONEY damn it. content isnt free when there are ads..... they dont provide anything but a platform the players provide the content....even if some people stay loyal and keep subscribing some people wont.... and it hurts the players and instead of them making the price relatively close to what they'd be making off this 1 viewer in add revenue they triple it to 9 dollars when in reality if this viewer is casual which is what most people are, they would be making about 3$ probably per person per month..... and were defending a guy who has already stated he uses adblock 100% of the time which is already the most selfish thing u could possibly do while supporting esports as a whole..... if u wanna support twitch thats great go for it but not at the cost of the players im glad that you wil lcontinue subscribing but not everyone can do it all.... we all have bills and some of us are just kids with no jobs that are in school... these 5$ subs then 15$ subs for tourneys then 9$ here for twitch then 15$ for nasl then 20$ for GSL and 20$ for proleague and all this other shit thats a lot of money now they can all just pay 9$ to twitch only and dont have to pay these extra 5$ to personal subs and why would u even want to when u can just donate and cut twitch out altogether? why should twitch get half of players subscribers revenue whenever they are removing reasons for viewers to subscribe to players versus subscribing to twitch...
Content is free where there are ads. I don't pay money to watch it, so it is free. Parks are free, even thought I pay taxes and there are ads on some of the buildings in the park. Ads do not count as money spent because no one spent any money and anyone who tries to make that argument is a fool.
Twitch gets to set the standard because they made all the investment, took all the risk and did all the hard work. They started Justin.tv and grew that up slowly, buying servers and increasing their ability to serve people. They have been around for years and have invested in the infrastructure to provide the streams that they do. None of this stuff is free for them at all. Bandwidth cost money and a lot of it. Husky said on the Executives that if were to host his videos himself, rather than go through Youtube, his bandwidth costs for people viewing those videos would be $50,000.00 monthly. There is no way he could do that on his own, so he goes through Youtube.
The same goes for Twitch TV. Every minute of video that does out costs Twitch money in bandwidth cost. The players do not have the money or ability to stream that themselves, so they go through Twitch and everyone gets some of the money. Simply put, if Twitch was not around, the players options would be limited to how they could stream, if at all. The only thing the broadcaster is investing is their time into making stream, while Twitch has built the software, gotten the deals with the advertising companies, created the stream, built websites to hosts the streams and set up a system to pay the broadcasters. They do a ton of work behind the scenes and should be paid for it. If the broadcasters don’t like it, they can try to work out a better deal with Twitch on their own, but at the end of the day Twitch did all the work to set up this system and they can set their own terms.
As you are right, people are asking to get paid for the stuff they are providing and people are having to make choices on what to buy. That is not bad and people should be making choices on what to pay for. If players lose some subs, they may need to work harder to get them back by offering something else.
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$8.99 per month? Naaaahhhh...
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Looks like fake account. nvm
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On February 06 2013 04:37 Dubzex wrote:Show nested quote +@regularduck Purchasing turbo is an investment! By March we plan to let only Turbo users use Twitch chat, so it will have definite value. Twitch.tv plans on moving their chat servers to a subscription only service come March. What do you guys think of this?
Sounds like another reason to not pay for Twitch Turbo honestly. Stream chats are not exactly something I'm itching to pay for lol.
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Love it to death. I hate dealing with random people from the internet trolling the chat. I will pay to only chat with people who are also winning to pay. The rest of the population can sit and watch from afar.
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On February 06 2013 04:15 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 03:52 LiMEX17 wrote:On February 06 2013 03:27 Plansix wrote:On February 06 2013 03:02 LiMEX17 wrote:On February 06 2013 02:43 theqat wrote:On February 06 2013 02:34 LiMEX17 wrote:On February 06 2013 02:26 theqat wrote:It would be extraordinarily poor planning to rely on twitch-type income for your entire living with no backup plan. I don't really have any sympathy for someone who makes that choice unless twitch explicitly misled them. Just the facts that streamers aren't privy to twitch's financial figures or participants in meetings on the future path of the company makes it a very, very foolish idea. In any case, quite a few streamers were doing all right financially before subscriptions existed, and there's not much reason to think that this would be much more than an income adjustment for that type of streamer. using adblock is pointless and having this is pointless players dont do anything while ads are on and neither do shows or tournaments..... so not having the first ad is fine but the rest of it dosnt even matter theres no content to be watched during them regardless This is categorically untrue. If there was no point, people wouldn't use adblock. The "point" of adblock is not having to constantly adjust your volume, not having to hear something that jarringly interrupts the flow of whatever else you're listening to, not having to view advertising in the first place, and on and on. Maybe you've never noticed, but most advertising has a particular tone of trying to sell you something. To me it's very grating; I don't want to hear it and I'll go to some lengths to avoid it. Ads are extremely annoying to many people and your understanding of the situation would be enhanced if you'd acknowledge that. i dont find having to push a mute button every 30ish minutes worth paying 9$ a month. personally Nice strawman, but that's not even close to covering what I'm talking about. Not only do you not have to mute things if you're using adblock, but if you're doing something else you don't have to tab back in to the stream. You don't have to look at that obnoxious ad if you're looking at the stream. You don't have to hear even one second of blasting-volume audio if you accidentally forget to mute before the ad. You don't have to mute your entire computer, including your music and/or games, just to get rid of that ad that doesn't have a volume/mute button on it. You can use adblock to accomplish all that, but you'll know that you aren't supporting twitch or the streamer. Now twitch brings out Turbo, which--wait for it--you can use to support twitch and the streamer AND have the convenience level of adblock. It might not be to the level of a $5/mo subscription, but it's something for everyone instead of $5 to one or two guys. There are people out there that care about this. You seem dead set on refusing to understand their perspective, but they exist whether you like it or not. now you are trying to convince me why commercials are annoying?.... everyone knows they are annoying but we watch them to support esports..... and the key word here is sports .... the players are who matter not the streaming platform if twitch goes away a new person will replace them... if the players go away there is no need for a streaming platform you keep telling me how these players that its gonna hurt are the low percentage...... they are the "GOOD" players..... the ones that get tournaments 100k viewers...... the ones that matter....i see your perspective I just dont agree with it..... I think you are the one not seeing this from the pro players point of view...... but we'll see what happens 9$ is overpaying and its a greedy move by twitch its not even close to what even the most dedicated stream viewers could pull in with ad revenue.... keep saying "i dont feel sorry for the people relying on 5$ subscribers" just ignorant statements like this just gives me an off feeling about u...... ur basically admitting that they could and probably will lose money from this weather its gonna lose there house because of it or not is doubtful but ur basically saying the players should take the hit because it benefits u as a viewer... without these players you have nothing to view..... so maybe we should be catering to them and not to people like you with selfish attitudes.. That is not the point that he is trying to make at all. He is saying that Twitch is offer a product in an attempt to build a relationship with its viewers and build a direct form of monthly income. Curretly their business model is based on ad share and subscriptions to specific channels. Personally, I like it when I can directly interface with a company and pay them directly for a service. Companies that rely on ad to make their money(ie, Facebook) always have a conflict between serving me and serving the people who pay them. I would rather pay Twitch directly for the streaming and suffer through fewer or no ads, because I know what they do is not free and bandwidth cost a leg. Twitch also found that people subscribe to channels to support the stream, rather than avoid ads. I currently subscribe to JP and this change will have no effect on my subscription at all. To tell the truth, there are times when I log out of my account, just so he will get ad revenue while I watching(normally while cooking or doing other chores). Avoiding ads is only a perk to supporting the channel, when I really know I am supporting SotG, Real Talk and the other Esports shows I enjoy. I also pay Giant Bomb monthly because I enjoy what they and their subscriber videos are great. Ads have little to do with my decision to do so and most people understand that ads are a necessary part of broadcasting. Twitch will take care of the broadcasters in some way and all of them are capable of sticking up for themselves and dealing with Twitch directly. Twitch is a wonderful service, but it also one that cannot provide new free content forever. Twitch is tasks with the job of finding services that we are willing to pay for and then making money off of them. These services have to be above and beyond what they are providing for free. As someone who has paid nearly $100 monthly for cable TV at one point, $10 is nothing and the entertainment I get on Twitch is far more than anything I received though Comcast. The community as a whole needs to get rid of the impression that everyone in this Esports world is rolling in money. Like all emerging markets, they are making ends meet and trying to build something larger each year. Personally, I like Twitch because they are buildings slowly and seem like the most responsable people in the scene right now. Also, I will pay CASH MONEY for a roku app. CASH MONEY damn it. content isnt free when there are ads..... they dont provide anything but a platform the players provide the content....even if some people stay loyal and keep subscribing some people wont.... and it hurts the players and instead of them making the price relatively close to what they'd be making off this 1 viewer in add revenue they triple it to 9 dollars when in reality if this viewer is casual which is what most people are, they would be making about 3$ probably per person per month..... and were defending a guy who has already stated he uses adblock 100% of the time which is already the most selfish thing u could possibly do while supporting esports as a whole..... if u wanna support twitch thats great go for it but not at the cost of the players im glad that you wil lcontinue subscribing but not everyone can do it all.... we all have bills and some of us are just kids with no jobs that are in school... these 5$ subs then 15$ subs for tourneys then 9$ here for twitch then 15$ for nasl then 20$ for GSL and 20$ for proleague and all this other shit thats a lot of money now they can all just pay 9$ to twitch only and dont have to pay these extra 5$ to personal subs and why would u even want to when u can just donate and cut twitch out altogether? why should twitch get half of players subscribers revenue whenever they are removing reasons for viewers to subscribe to players versus subscribing to twitch... Content is free where there are ads. I don't pay money to watch it, so it is free. Parks are free, even thought I pay taxes and there are ads on some of the buildings in the park. Ads do not count as money spent because no one spent any money and anyone who tries to make that argument is a fool. Twitch gets to set the standard because they made all the investment, took all the risk and did all the hard work. They started Justin.tv and grew that up slowly, buying servers and increasing their ability to serve people. They have been around for years and have invested in the infrastructure to provide the streams that they do. None of this stuff is free for them at all. Bandwidth cost money and a lot of it. Husky said on the Executives that if were to host his videos himself, rather than go through Youtube, his bandwidth costs for people viewing those videos would be $50,000.00 monthly. There is no way he could do that on his own, so he goes through Youtube. The same goes for Twitch TV. Every minute of video that does out costs Twitch money in bandwidth cost. The players do not have the money or ability to stream that themselves, so they go through Twitch and everyone gets some of the money. Simply put, if Twitch was not around, the players options would be limited to how they could stream, if at all. The only thing the broadcaster is investing is their time into making stream, while Twitch has built the software, gotten the deals with the advertising companies, created the stream, built websites to hosts the streams and set up a system to pay the broadcasters. They do a ton of work behind the scenes and should be paid for it. If the broadcasters don’t like it, they can try to work out a better deal with Twitch on their own, but at the end of the day Twitch did all the work to set up this system and they can set their own terms. As you are right, people are asking to get paid for the stuff they are providing and people are having to make choices on what to buy. That is not bad and people should be making choices on what to pay for. If players lose some subs, they may need to work harder to get them back by offering something else.
k i guess ESPN broadcasters get to set the standard rather than the players they are broadcasting your right what was i thinking
the content is also being paid for by the advertisers.... just because you arent the one paying them directly dosnt mean it isnt being paid for.... twitch is recieving cash for it.. so putting it out there like there just doing a bunch of charity work is not gonna get u very far..
cater to your players should be the model twitch has because they are the reason they have a business to begin with.... think of the NBA and how much money they lost because the players fought back...
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This might be worth buying to prevent twitch ads from blasting your ears off
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On February 06 2013 04:39 Plansix wrote:Love it to death. I hate dealing with random people from the internet trolling the chat. I will pay to only chat with people who are also winning to pay. The rest of the population can sit and watch from afar.
looks like another move towards making there streams purely ppv which is what MLG stuck its hands into and got them bitten off pretty dramatically if i remember correctly.
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This came up yesterday in a chat and I just wanted to clarify:
I contacted Twitch because I was curious about ad revenue as a turbo user for a streamer you subscribed to. Their response (paraphrased)
"We're 99% sure that even as a subscriber, they will still get your ad impressions as a turbo user even though you wouldn't see the ads because of the subscription service."
Not entirely on topic, but something I thought would be important to know, for those who are curious.
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On February 06 2013 05:11 LiMEX17 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 04:39 Plansix wrote:On February 06 2013 04:37 Dubzex wrote:https://twitter.com/TwichTVSupport/status/298671409754955776@regularduck Purchasing turbo is an investment! By March we plan to let only Turbo users use Twitch chat, so it will have definite value. Twitch.tv plans on moving their chat servers to a subscription only service come March. What do you guys think of this? Love it to death. I hate dealing with random people from the internet trolling the chat. I will pay to only chat with people who are also winning to pay. The rest of the population can sit and watch from afar. looks like another move towards making there streams purely ppv which is what MLG stuck its hands into and got them bitten off pretty dramatically if i remember correctly.
That Twitchsupport account is probably a fake. So i don't think Twitch is actually making chat for Turbo users only.
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On February 06 2013 03:52 LiMEX17 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 03:27 Plansix wrote:On February 06 2013 03:02 LiMEX17 wrote:On February 06 2013 02:43 theqat wrote:On February 06 2013 02:34 LiMEX17 wrote:On February 06 2013 02:26 theqat wrote:It would be extraordinarily poor planning to rely on twitch-type income for your entire living with no backup plan. I don't really have any sympathy for someone who makes that choice unless twitch explicitly misled them. Just the facts that streamers aren't privy to twitch's financial figures or participants in meetings on the future path of the company makes it a very, very foolish idea. In any case, quite a few streamers were doing all right financially before subscriptions existed, and there's not much reason to think that this would be much more than an income adjustment for that type of streamer. using adblock is pointless and having this is pointless players dont do anything while ads are on and neither do shows or tournaments..... so not having the first ad is fine but the rest of it dosnt even matter theres no content to be watched during them regardless This is categorically untrue. If there was no point, people wouldn't use adblock. The "point" of adblock is not having to constantly adjust your volume, not having to hear something that jarringly interrupts the flow of whatever else you're listening to, not having to view advertising in the first place, and on and on. Maybe you've never noticed, but most advertising has a particular tone of trying to sell you something. To me it's very grating; I don't want to hear it and I'll go to some lengths to avoid it. Ads are extremely annoying to many people and your understanding of the situation would be enhanced if you'd acknowledge that. i dont find having to push a mute button every 30ish minutes worth paying 9$ a month. personally Nice strawman, but that's not even close to covering what I'm talking about. Not only do you not have to mute things if you're using adblock, but if you're doing something else you don't have to tab back in to the stream. You don't have to look at that obnoxious ad if you're looking at the stream. You don't have to hear even one second of blasting-volume audio if you accidentally forget to mute before the ad. You don't have to mute your entire computer, including your music and/or games, just to get rid of that ad that doesn't have a volume/mute button on it. You can use adblock to accomplish all that, but you'll know that you aren't supporting twitch or the streamer. Now twitch brings out Turbo, which--wait for it--you can use to support twitch and the streamer AND have the convenience level of adblock. It might not be to the level of a $5/mo subscription, but it's something for everyone instead of $5 to one or two guys. There are people out there that care about this. You seem dead set on refusing to understand their perspective, but they exist whether you like it or not. now you are trying to convince me why commercials are annoying?.... everyone knows they are annoying but we watch them to support esports..... and the key word here is sports .... the players are who matter not the streaming platform if twitch goes away a new person will replace them... if the players go away there is no need for a streaming platform you keep telling me how these players that its gonna hurt are the low percentage...... they are the "GOOD" players..... the ones that get tournaments 100k viewers...... the ones that matter....i see your perspective I just dont agree with it..... I think you are the one not seeing this from the pro players point of view...... but we'll see what happens 9$ is overpaying and its a greedy move by twitch its not even close to what even the most dedicated stream viewers could pull in with ad revenue.... keep saying "i dont feel sorry for the people relying on 5$ subscribers" just ignorant statements like this just gives me an off feeling about u...... ur basically admitting that they could and probably will lose money from this weather its gonna lose there house because of it or not is doubtful but ur basically saying the players should take the hit because it benefits u as a viewer... without these players you have nothing to view..... so maybe we should be catering to them and not to people like you with selfish attitudes.. That is not the point that he is trying to make at all. He is saying that Twitch is offer a product in an attempt to build a relationship with its viewers and build a direct form of monthly income. Curretly their business model is based on ad share and subscriptions to specific channels. Personally, I like it when I can directly interface with a company and pay them directly for a service. Companies that rely on ad to make their money(ie, Facebook) always have a conflict between serving me and serving the people who pay them. I would rather pay Twitch directly for the streaming and suffer through fewer or no ads, because I know what they do is not free and bandwidth cost a leg. Twitch also found that people subscribe to channels to support the stream, rather than avoid ads. I currently subscribe to JP and this change will have no effect on my subscription at all. To tell the truth, there are times when I log out of my account, just so he will get ad revenue while I watching(normally while cooking or doing other chores). Avoiding ads is only a perk to supporting the channel, when I really know I am supporting SotG, Real Talk and the other Esports shows I enjoy. I also pay Giant Bomb monthly because I enjoy what they and their subscriber videos are great. Ads have little to do with my decision to do so and most people understand that ads are a necessary part of broadcasting. Twitch will take care of the broadcasters in some way and all of them are capable of sticking up for themselves and dealing with Twitch directly. Twitch is a wonderful service, but it also one that cannot provide new free content forever. Twitch is tasks with the job of finding services that we are willing to pay for and then making money off of them. These services have to be above and beyond what they are providing for free. As someone who has paid nearly $100 monthly for cable TV at one point, $10 is nothing and the entertainment I get on Twitch is far more than anything I received though Comcast. The community as a whole needs to get rid of the impression that everyone in this Esports world is rolling in money. Like all emerging markets, they are making ends meet and trying to build something larger each year. Personally, I like Twitch because they are buildings slowly and seem like the most responsable people in the scene right now. Also, I will pay CASH MONEY for a roku app. CASH MONEY damn it. content isnt free when there are ads..... they dont provide anything but a platform the players provide the content....even if some people stay loyal and keep subscribing some people wont.... and it hurts the players and instead of them making the price relatively close to what they'd be making off this 1 viewer in add revenue they triple it to 9 dollars when in reality if this viewer is casual which is what most people are, they would be making about 3$ probably per person per month..... and were defending a guy who has already stated he uses adblock 100% of the time which is already the most selfish thing u could possibly do while supporting esports as a whole..... if u wanna support twitch thats great go for it but not at the cost of the players im glad that you wil lcontinue subscribing but not everyone can do it all.... we all have bills and some of us are just kids with no jobs that are in school... these 5$ subs then 15$ subs for tourneys then 9$ here for twitch then 15$ for nasl then 20$ for GSL and 20$ for proleague and all this other shit thats a lot of money now they can all just pay 9$ to twitch only and dont have to pay these extra 5$ to personal subs and why would u even want to when u can just donate and cut twitch out altogether? why should twitch get half of players subscribers revenue whenever they are removing reasons for viewers to subscribe to players versus subscribing to twitch...
I paid for every GSL ticket for 2+ years, have bought all but one ticket in-game in Dota2, paid for TSL+, paid for MLG Gold, paid for NASL Season 1, had a Beyondthesummit subscription, and now am a Twitch subscriber. I'm sure there's other stuff I can't remember. Point being I've put more money into esports than most people ever will, so fuck off telling me I'm selfish and learn how to punctuate and spell.
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On February 06 2013 05:27 theqat wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 03:52 LiMEX17 wrote:On February 06 2013 03:27 Plansix wrote:On February 06 2013 03:02 LiMEX17 wrote:On February 06 2013 02:43 theqat wrote:On February 06 2013 02:34 LiMEX17 wrote:On February 06 2013 02:26 theqat wrote:It would be extraordinarily poor planning to rely on twitch-type income for your entire living with no backup plan. I don't really have any sympathy for someone who makes that choice unless twitch explicitly misled them. Just the facts that streamers aren't privy to twitch's financial figures or participants in meetings on the future path of the company makes it a very, very foolish idea. In any case, quite a few streamers were doing all right financially before subscriptions existed, and there's not much reason to think that this would be much more than an income adjustment for that type of streamer. using adblock is pointless and having this is pointless players dont do anything while ads are on and neither do shows or tournaments..... so not having the first ad is fine but the rest of it dosnt even matter theres no content to be watched during them regardless This is categorically untrue. If there was no point, people wouldn't use adblock. The "point" of adblock is not having to constantly adjust your volume, not having to hear something that jarringly interrupts the flow of whatever else you're listening to, not having to view advertising in the first place, and on and on. Maybe you've never noticed, but most advertising has a particular tone of trying to sell you something. To me it's very grating; I don't want to hear it and I'll go to some lengths to avoid it. Ads are extremely annoying to many people and your understanding of the situation would be enhanced if you'd acknowledge that. i dont find having to push a mute button every 30ish minutes worth paying 9$ a month. personally Nice strawman, but that's not even close to covering what I'm talking about. Not only do you not have to mute things if you're using adblock, but if you're doing something else you don't have to tab back in to the stream. You don't have to look at that obnoxious ad if you're looking at the stream. You don't have to hear even one second of blasting-volume audio if you accidentally forget to mute before the ad. You don't have to mute your entire computer, including your music and/or games, just to get rid of that ad that doesn't have a volume/mute button on it. You can use adblock to accomplish all that, but you'll know that you aren't supporting twitch or the streamer. Now twitch brings out Turbo, which--wait for it--you can use to support twitch and the streamer AND have the convenience level of adblock. It might not be to the level of a $5/mo subscription, but it's something for everyone instead of $5 to one or two guys. There are people out there that care about this. You seem dead set on refusing to understand their perspective, but they exist whether you like it or not. now you are trying to convince me why commercials are annoying?.... everyone knows they are annoying but we watch them to support esports..... and the key word here is sports .... the players are who matter not the streaming platform if twitch goes away a new person will replace them... if the players go away there is no need for a streaming platform you keep telling me how these players that its gonna hurt are the low percentage...... they are the "GOOD" players..... the ones that get tournaments 100k viewers...... the ones that matter....i see your perspective I just dont agree with it..... I think you are the one not seeing this from the pro players point of view...... but we'll see what happens 9$ is overpaying and its a greedy move by twitch its not even close to what even the most dedicated stream viewers could pull in with ad revenue.... keep saying "i dont feel sorry for the people relying on 5$ subscribers" just ignorant statements like this just gives me an off feeling about u...... ur basically admitting that they could and probably will lose money from this weather its gonna lose there house because of it or not is doubtful but ur basically saying the players should take the hit because it benefits u as a viewer... without these players you have nothing to view..... so maybe we should be catering to them and not to people like you with selfish attitudes.. That is not the point that he is trying to make at all. He is saying that Twitch is offer a product in an attempt to build a relationship with its viewers and build a direct form of monthly income. Curretly their business model is based on ad share and subscriptions to specific channels. Personally, I like it when I can directly interface with a company and pay them directly for a service. Companies that rely on ad to make their money(ie, Facebook) always have a conflict between serving me and serving the people who pay them. I would rather pay Twitch directly for the streaming and suffer through fewer or no ads, because I know what they do is not free and bandwidth cost a leg. Twitch also found that people subscribe to channels to support the stream, rather than avoid ads. I currently subscribe to JP and this change will have no effect on my subscription at all. To tell the truth, there are times when I log out of my account, just so he will get ad revenue while I watching(normally while cooking or doing other chores). Avoiding ads is only a perk to supporting the channel, when I really know I am supporting SotG, Real Talk and the other Esports shows I enjoy. I also pay Giant Bomb monthly because I enjoy what they and their subscriber videos are great. Ads have little to do with my decision to do so and most people understand that ads are a necessary part of broadcasting. Twitch will take care of the broadcasters in some way and all of them are capable of sticking up for themselves and dealing with Twitch directly. Twitch is a wonderful service, but it also one that cannot provide new free content forever. Twitch is tasks with the job of finding services that we are willing to pay for and then making money off of them. These services have to be above and beyond what they are providing for free. As someone who has paid nearly $100 monthly for cable TV at one point, $10 is nothing and the entertainment I get on Twitch is far more than anything I received though Comcast. The community as a whole needs to get rid of the impression that everyone in this Esports world is rolling in money. Like all emerging markets, they are making ends meet and trying to build something larger each year. Personally, I like Twitch because they are buildings slowly and seem like the most responsable people in the scene right now. Also, I will pay CASH MONEY for a roku app. CASH MONEY damn it. content isnt free when there are ads..... they dont provide anything but a platform the players provide the content....even if some people stay loyal and keep subscribing some people wont.... and it hurts the players and instead of them making the price relatively close to what they'd be making off this 1 viewer in add revenue they triple it to 9 dollars when in reality if this viewer is casual which is what most people are, they would be making about 3$ probably per person per month..... and were defending a guy who has already stated he uses adblock 100% of the time which is already the most selfish thing u could possibly do while supporting esports as a whole..... if u wanna support twitch thats great go for it but not at the cost of the players im glad that you wil lcontinue subscribing but not everyone can do it all.... we all have bills and some of us are just kids with no jobs that are in school... these 5$ subs then 15$ subs for tourneys then 9$ here for twitch then 15$ for nasl then 20$ for GSL and 20$ for proleague and all this other shit thats a lot of money now they can all just pay 9$ to twitch only and dont have to pay these extra 5$ to personal subs and why would u even want to when u can just donate and cut twitch out altogether? why should twitch get half of players subscribers revenue whenever they are removing reasons for viewers to subscribe to players versus subscribing to twitch... I paid for every GSL ticket for 2+ years, have bought all but one ticket in-game in Dota2, paid for TSL+, paid for MLG Gold, paid for NASL Season 1, had a Beyondthesummit subscription, and now am a Twitch subscriber. Fuck off telling me I'm selfish and learn how to punctuate and spell.
devouring content from players while blocking the one benefit they get delivering it to you because u dont wanna mute an ad is pretty selfish..... and why do people always bring up english and grammar on internet forums? save it for your english class.... subbing to all of these tournaments is because u want something that isnt available to you for free =/
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