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On October 22 2012 12:19 DigiGnar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 08:48 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 08:42 DigiGnar wrote:On October 22 2012 08:26 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 08:13 r00ty wrote:On October 22 2012 07:59 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 07:41 r00ty wrote:On October 22 2012 07:28 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 07:27 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 22 2012 07:25 Xiphos wrote:
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Keep toking on that joint for the rest of your life man. I will, and I do it by my personal choice, not because of any kind of dependency. I prefer the vaporizer, but I'm not really picky. I LOL'd. Thank you for the grin on my face. Keep running on that hamster wheel. Do you drink alcohol? You better don't or you are a hypocrite. There's more people around who smoke weed and lead a normal productive life than hopeless stoner kids you seem to have in mind, let me assure you. It's just they are not all in your face about it because of guess what!? Haven't gotten drunk once in my lifetime....and what am I suppose to guess about? Because it's illegal and the law can destroy your life (criminal record, loss of drivers license) way more than the consumption. Do you think alcohol should be prohibited? Well because I don't drink alcohol, so yes it should be prohibited because it doesn't affect me.
But I do smoke at one time at regular daily intervals. And somewhat is active in that field. But even though I do, I still think that it should remain illegal. On October 22 2012 08:14 mynameisgreat11 wrote:On October 22 2012 07:17 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 07:01 FeelReD wrote:
People who throw out arguments like, ppl get fucked up lungs/ get addicted, / they get aggressive. please stfu and read up before u talk. its stupid to see.
in generel , you wont get more addicted to weed, than u do with chocolate. There isnt anything addictive to weed, like there is to cigs. , and you can consume weed in so many ways, you wont believe it.
and people overuse all sorts of stuff. alcohol, cigarettes, computer games ( ye. ive read lots of people who dies/get their kid killed cus of no intenstion to it, because of the parents gaming ) , hell. even candy? people get fat, isnt that their own problem?
should we also illegalise candy because people dont know how to control it?.
No because candy and chocolate are less mind altering than weed. You obviously have never had the courage to say "Okay I'm going to stop it forever." because you can't live with the thought of living life, Cannabis-less anymore. And that's addiction. Beside addiction means any other substance that isn't mandatory for one's survival. In that sense, we are all addicted to the internet because we don't really need to survive whereas a certain amount of food, sleep, water, O2 gases the basic necessity of life. Then there are different level of harm done by the addiction which the laws have settle a standard to its harm. But the primary reason why weed isn't legal is because of its smell. Tobacco's smell is way less pungent and scatters more quickly while Alcohol don't exhume scent in the first place. On October 22 2012 07:16 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 22 2012 07:00 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 06:44 FeUerFlieGe wrote:
Legalization would hurt the distributors and growers of marijuana, but it would also reduce crime. Legalization means to reduce the price from distributors. I think that in Canada, it is somewhat already legalized to a certain extend. You can carry like 3 bags of weed and the most the cops will do to you is to confiscate it and leave it with a warning afterward for smoking in public. But however if you have more than a specific size, charges will be done. You "think". No, it is not legalized in any way in Canada. Most people don't give a shit if you smoke it, but there are some that do, and if they report you, or you are caught by the police, you run the risk of charges. Consequences vary from cop to cop, speaking from (a lot of) personal experience. So I'm guessing that my neighborhood > yours. You should really move out of it. It's pretty easy to make the argument that junk food and obesity is a much more serious health concern than smoking/vaporizing/eating cannabis. But on the basal level, weeds's effect is stronger than junk food in terms of altering one's mind/actions. I can't stop laughing. Please tell me this isn't your logic for why alcohol should be prohibited again. I'm going to be laughing all week. Nah, by the combine death incident where people were drinking alcohol and then proceed to drive from the dawn of automobile actually exceed the amount of death in World War 2: http://www.duhaime.org/LegalResources/TortPersonalInjury/LawArticle-273/Alcohol-Liability.aspxYeah...this is some serious matters that you find it funny dying. I bet you are not laughing now. Because that's what you said in the first place, right? People dying is the reason why alcohol should be prohibited was what you said in the first place, right? I mean, I have the quote right there, but I just can't find where you said that. The amount of deaths that have resulted from WW1, 2, the korean and vietnam war amount to about 110 million people. I actually read your source, which is funny because you exclude three wars. What's also funny is that the source you have given me doesn't actually state how many people have died from drunk driving. It just says someone said that. When I look for total deaths, I get only statistics for a year. Weird that I can't find a total number. So, for a year, on average, it's about 10k deaths. 10k x 100 years is 1m dead. Seems to be less than 1% of the deaths from the wars your very source has given me. This number is actually probably less because of the amount of drunk driving instances have most likely gone up in the past few decades. But I still find your first logic funny, that prohibition should come back around because it doesn't affect you. Nowhere, though, will you find me laughing about drunk driving. (you know what's weird, as well? the number is dwindling for drunk driving related deaths per year.)
Right, way to support my arguments though.
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On October 22 2012 11:43 PanN wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 09:57 DeepElemBlues wrote:On October 22 2012 09:38 EngrishTeacher wrote:
Everything in moderation.
My personal view is one session per week maximum, similar to drinking.
Otherwise, even if there weren't ANY negative effects associated be it mental or physical, one would be wasting too much time.
For 5% - 11% of the population with an addictive personality however, it will turn into a daily habit and the question is, what do you do with these people? Nothing, because being addicted to marijuana is about as concerning as being addicted to running? Being addicted to marijuana is most definitely more concerning than being addicted to running. I get crazy weed withdrawals, and I fucking hate it.
That's the psychological dependency which can happen... for me it's very mild but for others could definitely be a bitch. All up to your genes I suppose.
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On October 22 2012 12:23 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 12:19 DigiGnar wrote:On October 22 2012 08:48 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 08:42 DigiGnar wrote:On October 22 2012 08:26 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 08:13 r00ty wrote:On October 22 2012 07:59 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 07:41 r00ty wrote:On October 22 2012 07:28 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 07:27 HackBenjamin wrote:
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I will, and I do it by my personal choice, not because of any kind of dependency. I prefer the vaporizer, but I'm not really picky. I LOL'd. Thank you for the grin on my face. Keep running on that hamster wheel. Do you drink alcohol? You better don't or you are a hypocrite. There's more people around who smoke weed and lead a normal productive life than hopeless stoner kids you seem to have in mind, let me assure you. It's just they are not all in your face about it because of guess what!? Haven't gotten drunk once in my lifetime....and what am I suppose to guess about? Because it's illegal and the law can destroy your life (criminal record, loss of drivers license) way more than the consumption. Do you think alcohol should be prohibited? Well because I don't drink alcohol, so yes it should be prohibited because it doesn't affect me.
But I do smoke at one time at regular daily intervals. And somewhat is active in that field. But even though I do, I still think that it should remain illegal. On October 22 2012 08:14 mynameisgreat11 wrote:On October 22 2012 07:17 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 07:01 FeelReD wrote:
People who throw out arguments like, ppl get fucked up lungs/ get addicted, / they get aggressive. please stfu and read up before u talk. its stupid to see.
in generel , you wont get more addicted to weed, than u do with chocolate. There isnt anything addictive to weed, like there is to cigs. , and you can consume weed in so many ways, you wont believe it.
and people overuse all sorts of stuff. alcohol, cigarettes, computer games ( ye. ive read lots of people who dies/get their kid killed cus of no intenstion to it, because of the parents gaming ) , hell. even candy? people get fat, isnt that their own problem?
should we also illegalise candy because people dont know how to control it?.
No because candy and chocolate are less mind altering than weed. You obviously have never had the courage to say "Okay I'm going to stop it forever." because you can't live with the thought of living life, Cannabis-less anymore. And that's addiction. Beside addiction means any other substance that isn't mandatory for one's survival. In that sense, we are all addicted to the internet because we don't really need to survive whereas a certain amount of food, sleep, water, O2 gases the basic necessity of life. Then there are different level of harm done by the addiction which the laws have settle a standard to its harm. But the primary reason why weed isn't legal is because of its smell. Tobacco's smell is way less pungent and scatters more quickly while Alcohol don't exhume scent in the first place. On October 22 2012 07:16 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 22 2012 07:00 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 06:44 FeUerFlieGe wrote:
Legalization would hurt the distributors and growers of marijuana, but it would also reduce crime. Legalization means to reduce the price from distributors. I think that in Canada, it is somewhat already legalized to a certain extend. You can carry like 3 bags of weed and the most the cops will do to you is to confiscate it and leave it with a warning afterward for smoking in public. But however if you have more than a specific size, charges will be done. You "think". No, it is not legalized in any way in Canada. Most people don't give a shit if you smoke it, but there are some that do, and if they report you, or you are caught by the police, you run the risk of charges. Consequences vary from cop to cop, speaking from (a lot of) personal experience. So I'm guessing that my neighborhood > yours. You should really move out of it. It's pretty easy to make the argument that junk food and obesity is a much more serious health concern than smoking/vaporizing/eating cannabis. But on the basal level, weeds's effect is stronger than junk food in terms of altering one's mind/actions. I can't stop laughing. Please tell me this isn't your logic for why alcohol should be prohibited again. I'm going to be laughing all week. Nah, by the combine death incident where people were drinking alcohol and then proceed to drive from the dawn of automobile actually exceed the amount of death in World War 2: http://www.duhaime.org/LegalResources/TortPersonalInjury/LawArticle-273/Alcohol-Liability.aspxYeah...this is some serious matters that you find it funny dying. I bet you are not laughing now. Because that's what you said in the first place, right? People dying is the reason why alcohol should be prohibited was what you said in the first place, right? I mean, I have the quote right there, but I just can't find where you said that. The amount of deaths that have resulted from WW1, 2, the korean and vietnam war amount to about 110 million people. I actually read your source, which is funny because you exclude three wars. What's also funny is that the source you have given me doesn't actually state how many people have died from drunk driving. It just says someone said that. When I look for total deaths, I get only statistics for a year. Weird that I can't find a total number. So, for a year, on average, it's about 10k deaths. 10k x 100 years is 1m dead. Seems to be less than 1% of the deaths from the wars your very source has given me. This number is actually probably less because of the amount of drunk driving instances have most likely gone up in the past few decades. But I still find your first logic funny, that prohibition should come back around because it doesn't affect you. Nowhere, though, will you find me laughing about drunk driving. (you know what's weird, as well? the number is dwindling for drunk driving related deaths per year.) Right, way to support my arguments though.
I'm not supporting prohibition because of drunk driving deaths. There would still be drunk driving deaths, alcohol poisoning, and then with prohibition, gang related deaths. Have you heard about the Zetas in Mexico?
Also, if I were to support prohibition because of drunk driving related deaths, then I would also support the criminalization of obesity.
Here's a link for you.
http://www.getamericafit.org/statistics-obesity-in-america.html
Obesity is the #2 cause of preventable death in the United States
Just for the record, I don't support prohibition in the least bit.
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On October 22 2012 13:01 DigiGnar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 12:23 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 12:19 DigiGnar wrote:On October 22 2012 08:48 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 08:42 DigiGnar wrote:On October 22 2012 08:26 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 08:13 r00ty wrote:On October 22 2012 07:59 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 07:41 r00ty wrote:On October 22 2012 07:28 Xiphos wrote:
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I LOL'd. Thank you for the grin on my face. Keep running on that hamster wheel.
Do you drink alcohol? You better don't or you are a hypocrite. There's more people around who smoke weed and lead a normal productive life than hopeless stoner kids you seem to have in mind, let me assure you. It's just they are not all in your face about it because of guess what!? Haven't gotten drunk once in my lifetime....and what am I suppose to guess about? Because it's illegal and the law can destroy your life (criminal record, loss of drivers license) way more than the consumption. Do you think alcohol should be prohibited? Well because I don't drink alcohol, so yes it should be prohibited because it doesn't affect me.
But I do smoke at one time at regular daily intervals. And somewhat is active in that field. But even though I do, I still think that it should remain illegal. On October 22 2012 08:14 mynameisgreat11 wrote:On October 22 2012 07:17 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 07:01 FeelReD wrote:
People who throw out arguments like, ppl get fucked up lungs/ get addicted, / they get aggressive. please stfu and read up before u talk. its stupid to see.
in generel , you wont get more addicted to weed, than u do with chocolate. There isnt anything addictive to weed, like there is to cigs. , and you can consume weed in so many ways, you wont believe it.
and people overuse all sorts of stuff. alcohol, cigarettes, computer games ( ye. ive read lots of people who dies/get their kid killed cus of no intenstion to it, because of the parents gaming ) , hell. even candy? people get fat, isnt that their own problem?
should we also illegalise candy because people dont know how to control it?.
No because candy and chocolate are less mind altering than weed. You obviously have never had the courage to say "Okay I'm going to stop it forever." because you can't live with the thought of living life, Cannabis-less anymore. And that's addiction. Beside addiction means any other substance that isn't mandatory for one's survival. In that sense, we are all addicted to the internet because we don't really need to survive whereas a certain amount of food, sleep, water, O2 gases the basic necessity of life. Then there are different level of harm done by the addiction which the laws have settle a standard to its harm. But the primary reason why weed isn't legal is because of its smell. Tobacco's smell is way less pungent and scatters more quickly while Alcohol don't exhume scent in the first place. On October 22 2012 07:16 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 22 2012 07:00 Xiphos wrote:
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Legalization means to reduce the price from distributors.
I think that in Canada, it is somewhat already legalized to a certain extend. You can carry like 3 bags of weed and the most the cops will do to you is to confiscate it and leave it with a warning afterward for smoking in public. But however if you have more than a specific size, charges will be done.
You "think". No, it is not legalized in any way in Canada. Most people don't give a shit if you smoke it, but there are some that do, and if they report you, or you are caught by the police, you run the risk of charges. Consequences vary from cop to cop, speaking from (a lot of) personal experience. So I'm guessing that my neighborhood > yours. You should really move out of it. It's pretty easy to make the argument that junk food and obesity is a much more serious health concern than smoking/vaporizing/eating cannabis. But on the basal level, weeds's effect is stronger than junk food in terms of altering one's mind/actions. I can't stop laughing. Please tell me this isn't your logic for why alcohol should be prohibited again. I'm going to be laughing all week. Nah, by the combine death incident where people were drinking alcohol and then proceed to drive from the dawn of automobile actually exceed the amount of death in World War 2: http://www.duhaime.org/LegalResources/TortPersonalInjury/LawArticle-273/Alcohol-Liability.aspxYeah...this is some serious matters that you find it funny dying. I bet you are not laughing now. Because that's what you said in the first place, right? People dying is the reason why alcohol should be prohibited was what you said in the first place, right? I mean, I have the quote right there, but I just can't find where you said that. The amount of deaths that have resulted from WW1, 2, the korean and vietnam war amount to about 110 million people. I actually read your source, which is funny because you exclude three wars. What's also funny is that the source you have given me doesn't actually state how many people have died from drunk driving. It just says someone said that. When I look for total deaths, I get only statistics for a year. Weird that I can't find a total number. So, for a year, on average, it's about 10k deaths. 10k x 100 years is 1m dead. Seems to be less than 1% of the deaths from the wars your very source has given me. This number is actually probably less because of the amount of drunk driving instances have most likely gone up in the past few decades. But I still find your first logic funny, that prohibition should come back around because it doesn't affect you. Nowhere, though, will you find me laughing about drunk driving. (you know what's weird, as well? the number is dwindling for drunk driving related deaths per year.) Right, way to support my arguments though. I'm not supporting prohibition because of drunk driving deaths. There would still be drunk driving deaths, alcohol poisoning, and then with prohibition, gang related deaths. Have you heard about the Zetas in Mexico? Also, if I were to support prohibition because of drunk driving related deaths, then I would also support the criminalization of obesity. Here's a link for you. http://www.getamericafit.org/statistics-obesity-in-america.html Just for the record, I don't support prohibition in the least bit.
Cool, wasn't aware that USA is so fat. But hey it is creeping up north here.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On October 21 2012 17:08 WTFZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 16:56 Voltaire wrote:
Legalize.
There's a chance it could be voted legal in a few states in the US this November. Colorado and Washington, I believe. Irrelevant because Federal law states that marijuana is illegal. Any state measure to legalize marijuana is simply a show of public opinion. At the end of the day it is still illegal, and the Federal government is well within their right to stage raids against dispensaries. Anyways, I don't see why it is illegal to possess/use. We waste far too much money punishing petty criminals for stupid shit. As far as I'm concerned, legalize all drugs and let the abusers die out.
I disagree when you said the Federal government is well within their right. Only because they said so? The Fed's have no say over, they are just tyrants.
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On October 22 2012 13:47 PhiliBiRD wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 17:08 WTFZerg wrote:On October 21 2012 16:56 Voltaire wrote:
Legalize.
There's a chance it could be voted legal in a few states in the US this November. Colorado and Washington, I believe. Irrelevant because Federal law states that marijuana is illegal. Any state measure to legalize marijuana is simply a show of public opinion. At the end of the day it is still illegal, and the Federal government is well within their right to stage raids against dispensaries. Anyways, I don't see why it is illegal to possess/use. We waste far too much money punishing petty criminals for stupid shit. As far as I'm concerned, legalize all drugs and let the abusers die out. I disagree when you said the Federal government is well within their right. Only because they said so? The Fed's have no say over, they are just tyrants.
The federal government very well can go into any of the 17 states that have "legalized" marijuana. The reason they dont? It's a waste of money. Jury nullification. Basically, the jury knows it's illegal by federal laws but they choose to ignore it and say that the person being prosecuted is innocent. Convictions would be way too hard to get. They are instead focusing on trying to find the people that are using the stuff and trying to get large crime rings and such together. One of the courts (cant remember which) is also currently reviewing a case that would put marijuana in the same category as other prescription medicines. Meaning it's dangerous but legal to take if prescribed by a doctor.
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As much as I don't care about whether or not marijuana is legalised, I am curious why it's such a big deal to people. There's pretty much a perpetual discussion on legalising weed on every internet forum with a reasonably large and active population. The amount of discussion just seems totally disproportionate to the size of the issue.
If there was ever an argument for marijuana being addictive, it would be that so many of the people who smoke it care about it so much, far above a rational level of concern.
Anyway, I'm not actually arguing that all marijuana users are addicted. I just find the level of concern for something so unimportant to be silly is all.
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On October 22 2012 14:00 Swede wrote:
As much as I don't care about whether or not marijuana is legalised, I am curious why it's such a big deal to people. There's pretty much a perpetual discussion on legalising weed on every internet forum with a reasonably large and active population. The amount of discussion just seems totally disproportionate to the size of the issue.
If there was ever an argument for marijuana being addictive, it would be that so many of the people who smoke it care about it so much, far above a rational level of concern.
Anyway, I'm not actually arguing that all marijuana users are addicted. I just find the level of concern for something so unimportant to be silly is all.
Just because it is unimportant to you, doesn't mean it is unimportant to everybody. It is important to the MS patient who can't legally obtain this safe, efficacious medicine in the vast majority of the world and instead must resort to physically destructive/addictive opiates for his constant neuropathic pain. It is important to the people in Mexico slaughtered every day by the cartels using guns from the US bought with drugs/drug money. Certain drug lords have even come out and praised American leaders for continuing to keep Cannabis illegal because it was such a large source of their wealth (who smokes such awful cannabis I'll never know). It is important to the disproportionate amount of blacks being put in jail for simple marijuana possession. It is important to anyone who would hope that modern medicine is willing to look at all possibilities for treating today's most challenging illnesses including cancer, autoimmune and inflammatory disorders across the board, neuropathic disorders such as MS, and even autism. It is important to the 10 year old child watching in horror as mommy and daddy are dragged away by armed SWAT teams in unlawful, violent DEA drug raids for cannabis alone. It is important to the college student who can't get a student loan because he was caught with a small amount of Cannabis. In summation, prohibition is nothing short of an injustice and public policy disaster. It costs us billions, ruins more lives than the drug itself, and perpetuates a childish public perception of the drug based on decades of reefer madness brainwashing.
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On October 22 2012 14:00 Swede wrote:
As much as I don't care about whether or not marijuana is legalised, I am curious why it's such a big deal to people. There's pretty much a perpetual discussion on legalising weed on every internet forum with a reasonably large and active population. The amount of discussion just seems totally disproportionate to the size of the issue.
If there was ever an argument for marijuana being addictive, it would be that so many of the people who smoke it care about it so much, far above a rational level of concern.
Anyway, I'm not actually arguing that all marijuana users are addicted. I just find the level of concern for something so unimportant to be silly is all.
making as much as 50% of the 20 year olds into criminals for no good reason is unimportant to you? well excuse us for caring...
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My problem with this thread is that there is too much marijuana users here and not a lot of "clean" people, like just basing on the replies, maybe 90% are marijuana users and 5% are not, and the remaining 5% do not have a stand. The worst thing is that the arguments brought by marijuana users/supporters don't make sense at all. I would see the same argument for smokers who don't see the harm their smoke does to non smokers. When you are the cause of the problem, you seldom see it for what it really is.
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Both sides of the extremes are war hungry zealots.
Me? I'm just in the middle; rolling a jay and listening to beautiful music.
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I don't think Marijuana is addictive at all besides like someone said earlier the whole mental(i need to smoke it but you dont really actually need it) i smoke prolly once every couple weeks or something if im having a bad day to relax and feel better. Doesnt ever really bother me at all(even when i smoke it pretty often) besides the fact Weed smoke burns alooooooot worse than tobacco smoke
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On October 22 2012 16:37 Nizaris wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 14:00 Swede wrote:
As much as I don't care about whether or not marijuana is legalised, I am curious why it's such a big deal to people. There's pretty much a perpetual discussion on legalising weed on every internet forum with a reasonably large and active population. The amount of discussion just seems totally disproportionate to the size of the issue.
If there was ever an argument for marijuana being addictive, it would be that so many of the people who smoke it care about it so much, far above a rational level of concern.
Anyway, I'm not actually arguing that all marijuana users are addicted. I just find the level of concern for something so unimportant to be silly is all. making as much as 50% of the 20 year olds into criminals for no good reason is unimportant to you? well excuse us for caring...
It's unimportant by comparison to other things since everybody has the choice to just not smoke weed. There's only so much sympathy you can grant to somebody who does it knowing what the consequences could be and then gets caught. Especially since it is by and large a drug of leisure (and typically a massive waste of time).
I feel some sympathy for those who use it for medical reasons, but I'm also aware that advocates for medical marijuana often exaggerate its usefulness over existing treatments. For example a poster just above has claimed that marijuana is an 'efficacious' medicine for the treatment of MS, in spite of the fact that there is very little research to verify this (unless said poster would like to provide some). I'm not denying that there may be some legitimate medicinal uses for marijuana (glaucoma is one illness which it is definitely useful for, and it's also useful for regaining appetite in certain situations), but people talk about it as if it's some miracle cure, even though there's almost zero conclusive evidence that it helps with anything. There's a lot of studies that conclude that 'marijuana may be useful for so and so', but that's not even close to the same thing.
Anyway, I'm not actually anti-marijuana despite how I may come across. I just think it's further down the list of things to worry about.
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On October 22 2012 14:09 Immaterial wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 14:00 Swede wrote:
As much as I don't care about whether or not marijuana is legalised, I am curious why it's such a big deal to people. There's pretty much a perpetual discussion on legalising weed on every internet forum with a reasonably large and active population. The amount of discussion just seems totally disproportionate to the size of the issue.
If there was ever an argument for marijuana being addictive, it would be that so many of the people who smoke it care about it so much, far above a rational level of concern.
Anyway, I'm not actually arguing that all marijuana users are addicted. I just find the level of concern for something so unimportant to be silly is all. Just because it is unimportant to you, doesn't mean it is unimportant to everybody. It is important to the MS patient who can't legally obtain this safe, efficacious medicine in the vast majority of the world and instead must resort to physically destructive/addictive opiates for his constant neuropathic pain. It is important to the people in Mexico slaughtered every day by the cartels using guns from the US bought with drugs/drug money. Certain drug lords have even come out and praised American leaders for continuing to keep Cannabis illegal because it was such a large source of their wealth (who smokes such awful cannabis I'll never know). It is important to the disproportionate amount of blacks being put in jail for simple marijuana possession. It is important to anyone who would hope that modern medicine is willing to look at all possibilities for treating today's most challenging illnesses including cancer, autoimmune and inflammatory disorders across the board, neuropathic disorders such as MS, and even autism. It is important to the 10 year old child watching in horror as mommy and daddy are dragged away by armed SWAT teams in unlawful, violent DEA drug raids for cannabis alone. It is important to the college student who can't get a student loan because he was caught with a small amount of Cannabis. In summation, prohibition is nothing short of an injustice and public policy disaster. It costs us billions, ruins more lives than the drug itself, and perpetuates a childish public perception of the drug based on decades of reefer madness brainwashing.
Wow, this is a very good post. Totally agree with you.
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I think his ("above poster's") point was, that it has almost zero conclusive evidence, because it's illegal.
There is alot of potential for research which is on a hold, because of restricting policies.
But i'm from holland, so I don't care.
The only problem here is, that foreign (French, Belgium, German) people overrun our borders for it, which limits our use drastically.
Did you know that in the Netherlands you have to go to municipality to get a certificate of birth, just to sign yourself up in the coffeeshop as a club.
Nobody i know is willing to get this certificate (pay for it) and join one club (your not allowed to join another club)
So people around the borders buy it illegally again in the Netherlands.
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Honestly I could not bring myself to read the whole thread before posting, so many conditioned people regurgitating what society has taught them. Zero critical thinking. Travis had a great paragraph concerning that on the first page.
I guess I'll try to provide some perspective. Why is Cannabis illegal in the first place? This is a great place to introduce critical thinking 101; the basics for those of you who had to endure a lot of school (school murders creative and critical thinking).
Cui bono? Who benefits? This is often all you need to ask yourself when analyzing anything in this society. Even the most naive of you must realize that society today is driven by profit. Concern for public health for example is indeed secondary to monetary gain.
So, is Cannabis illegal based on it's effects on the body? Of course not. It's illegal due to massive propaganda campaigns in the states many years ago. The main reason here was that hemp (an exceptional product with many potential applications) was a threat to many established industries. In America, money buys political power. These companies had money. See the connection? I mean when Cannabis was made illegal in USA there hadn't even been any research done on it's harmful effects. But a criminalisation fit the interests of capital holders who had an interest in seeing Cannabis banned.
Today it's a bit different but still coupled to the fact that profit trumps everything. The war on drugs creates business in America. A legalization carries with it no real profit. Sure you could try to tax it but you forget that it is a plant, put here by mother nature. Are you gonna put the royal seal on weedbags sold by the state or something? You will never be able to control it properly. Nor should you. Hard to keep this strictly about weed as the topic is deeply connected to our society in general and how we view it.
There's really so much more to say but my plane is landing and i have to turn off my gadgets  Will elaborate and keep arguing later tonight.
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On October 22 2012 18:13 Bolty wrote:Today it's a bit different but still coupled to the fact that profit trumps everything. The war on drugs creates business in America. A legalization carries with it no real profit. Sure you could try to tax it but you forget that it is a plant, put here by mother nature. Are you gonna put the royal seal on weedbags sold by the state or something? You will never be able to control it properly. Nor should you. Hard to keep this strictly about weed as the topic is deeply connected to our society in general and how we view it. There's really so much more to say but my plane is landing and i have to turn off my gadgets Will elaborate and keep arguing later tonight.
How come this doesn't form an issue what so ever for the sales of vegetables / fruit / grain / etc. Of course you can tax and regulate natural products... and of course you'll be able to control it properly. And we should!
On October 22 2012 18:13 Timmsh wrote:
I think his ("above poster's") point was, that it has almost zero conclusive evidence, because it's illegal.
There is alot of potential for research which is on a hold, because of restricting policies.
But i'm from holland, so I don't care.
The only problem here is, that foreign (French, Belgium, German) people overrun our borders for it, which limits our use drastically.
Did you know that in the Netherlands you have to go to municipality to get a certificate of birth, just to sign yourself up in the coffeeshop as a club.
Nobody i know is willing to get this certificate (pay for it) and join one club (your not allowed to join another club)
So people around the borders buy it illegally again in the Netherlands.
Especially being from Holland you should care.
This entire weed-pass plan is a disaster. The situation described above has only been applied to the border towns. And it's a complete joke. There never was a serious issue (please, tell me, what was the last time you saw stoners get rowdy). Mayors and the rest of the municipal politicians clearly state the new regulation is causing massive chaos and crime. Street selling took a huge leap, causing a lot more trouble than tourists ever managed. This is confirmed by every single city in which this was implemented. All 12 big cities in the Netherlands are doing all they can to fight this new regulation (to be introduced nationally on 1st of Jan.).
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On October 22 2012 18:24 Passion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 18:13 Bolty wrote:Today it's a bit different but still coupled to the fact that profit trumps everything. The war on drugs creates business in America. A legalization carries with it no real profit. Sure you could try to tax it but you forget that it is a plant, put here by mother nature. Are you gonna put the royal seal on weedbags sold by the state or something? You will never be able to control it properly. Nor should you. Hard to keep this strictly about weed as the topic is deeply connected to our society in general and how we view it. There's really so much more to say but my plane is landing and i have to turn off my gadgets Will elaborate and keep arguing later tonight. How come this doesn't form an issue what so ever for the sales of vegetables / fruit / grain / etc. Of course you can tax and regulate natural products... and of course you'll be able to control it properly. And we should!
I think the reason for this, is the amounts.
Ever grown weed? In the Netherlands it's allowed to grow 3 full sized plants. (as you probably know)
if you grow for 2 seasons (6 plants), you have enough weed to substain a family.
So it's uncontrollable in that way. (every person can grow 6 plants)
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On October 22 2012 18:28 Timmsh wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 18:24 Passion wrote:On October 22 2012 18:13 Bolty wrote:Today it's a bit different but still coupled to the fact that profit trumps everything. The war on drugs creates business in America. A legalization carries with it no real profit. Sure you could try to tax it but you forget that it is a plant, put here by mother nature. Are you gonna put the royal seal on weedbags sold by the state or something? You will never be able to control it properly. Nor should you. Hard to keep this strictly about weed as the topic is deeply connected to our society in general and how we view it. There's really so much more to say but my plane is landing and i have to turn off my gadgets Will elaborate and keep arguing later tonight. How come this doesn't form an issue what so ever for the sales of vegetables / fruit / grain / etc. Of course you can tax and regulate natural products... and of course you'll be able to control it properly. And we should! I think the reason for this, is the amounts. Ever grown weed? In the Netherlands it's allowed to grow 3 full sized plants. (as you probably know) if you grow for 2 seasons (6 plants), you have enough weed to substain a family. So it's uncontrollable in that way. (every person can grow 6 plants)
You can't grow 6 plants.
In addition, it would be illegal to have the "harvest" of 6 plants or in fact, even 3, especially keeping in mind that the maximum stock for a coffeeshop is 500g...
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On October 22 2012 18:24 Passion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 18:13 Bolty wrote:Today it's a bit different but still coupled to the fact that profit trumps everything. The war on drugs creates business in America. A legalization carries with it no real profit. Sure you could try to tax it but you forget that it is a plant, put here by mother nature. Are you gonna put the royal seal on weedbags sold by the state or something? You will never be able to control it properly. Nor should you. Hard to keep this strictly about weed as the topic is deeply connected to our society in general and how we view it. There's really so much more to say but my plane is landing and i have to turn off my gadgets Will elaborate and keep arguing later tonight. How come this doesn't form an issue what so ever for the sales of vegetables / fruit / grain / etc. Of course you can tax and regulate natural products... and of course you'll be able to control it properly. And we should!
This was a weird reply. I'm not sure what you are getting at? I guess you only meant to quote the second part there, because obviously you don't need cops to track down people who eat veggies,
But the second comparison is... quite incorrect as well. How are vegetables taxed? You mean you pay consumer tax on them when you buy them in the store? That is not the same thing my friend. I can grow my own veggies and no one can tax me. Can't do that with weed.
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