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On October 22 2012 08:42 DigiGnar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 08:26 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 08:13 r00ty wrote:On October 22 2012 07:59 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 07:41 r00ty wrote:On October 22 2012 07:28 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 07:27 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 22 2012 07:25 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 07:23 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 22 2012 07:20 heliusx wrote:
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Honestly why bother lol. Anyone who considers marijuana addiction qualities to be equal to chocolate is clueless in the most literal sense of the word. I don't understand why on tlnet we can't ever discuss marijuana side effects without certain people getting strangely defensive. Because there is way too much misinformation being spewed. One piece of information that is irrefutable is that marijuana has ZERO addictive qualities. There is no physical dependencies, nor withdrawl symptoms. Keep toking on that joint for the rest of your life man. I will, and I do it by my personal choice, not because of any kind of dependency. I prefer the vaporizer, but I'm not really picky. I LOL'd. Thank you for the grin on my face. Keep running on that hamster wheel. Do you drink alcohol? You better don't or you are a hypocrite. There's more people around who smoke weed and lead a normal productive life than hopeless stoner kids you seem to have in mind, let me assure you. It's just they are not all in your face about it because of guess what!? Haven't gotten drunk once in my lifetime....and what am I suppose to guess about? Because it's illegal and the law can destroy your life (criminal record, loss of drivers license) way more than the consumption. Do you think alcohol should be prohibited? Well because I don't drink alcohol, so yes it should be prohibited because it doesn't affect me.
But I do smoke at one time at regular daily intervals. And somewhat is active in that field. But even though I do, I still think that it should remain illegal. On October 22 2012 08:14 mynameisgreat11 wrote:On October 22 2012 07:17 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 07:01 FeelReD wrote:
People who throw out arguments like, ppl get fucked up lungs/ get addicted, / they get aggressive. please stfu and read up before u talk. its stupid to see.
in generel , you wont get more addicted to weed, than u do with chocolate. There isnt anything addictive to weed, like there is to cigs. , and you can consume weed in so many ways, you wont believe it.
and people overuse all sorts of stuff. alcohol, cigarettes, computer games ( ye. ive read lots of people who dies/get their kid killed cus of no intenstion to it, because of the parents gaming ) , hell. even candy? people get fat, isnt that their own problem?
should we also illegalise candy because people dont know how to control it?.
No because candy and chocolate are less mind altering than weed. You obviously have never had the courage to say "Okay I'm going to stop it forever." because you can't live with the thought of living life, Cannabis-less anymore. And that's addiction. Beside addiction means any other substance that isn't mandatory for one's survival. In that sense, we are all addicted to the internet because we don't really need to survive whereas a certain amount of food, sleep, water, O2 gases the basic necessity of life. Then there are different level of harm done by the addiction which the laws have settle a standard to its harm. But the primary reason why weed isn't legal is because of its smell. Tobacco's smell is way less pungent and scatters more quickly while Alcohol don't exhume scent in the first place. On October 22 2012 07:16 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 22 2012 07:00 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 06:44 FeUerFlieGe wrote:
Legalization would hurt the distributors and growers of marijuana, but it would also reduce crime. Legalization means to reduce the price from distributors. I think that in Canada, it is somewhat already legalized to a certain extend. You can carry like 3 bags of weed and the most the cops will do to you is to confiscate it and leave it with a warning afterward for smoking in public. But however if you have more than a specific size, charges will be done. You "think". No, it is not legalized in any way in Canada. Most people don't give a shit if you smoke it, but there are some that do, and if they report you, or you are caught by the police, you run the risk of charges. Consequences vary from cop to cop, speaking from (a lot of) personal experience. So I'm guessing that my neighborhood > yours. You should really move out of it. It's pretty easy to make the argument that junk food and obesity is a much more serious health concern than smoking/vaporizing/eating cannabis. But on the basal level, weeds's effect is stronger than junk food in terms of altering one's mind/actions. I can't stop laughing. Please tell me this isn't your logic for why alcohol should be prohibited again. I'm going to be laughing all week.
Nah, by the combine death incident where people were drinking alcohol and then proceed to drive from the dawn of automobile actually exceed the amount of death in World War 2:
http://www.duhaime.org/LegalResources/TortPersonalInjury/LawArticle-273/Alcohol-Liability.aspx
Yeah...this is some serious matters that you find it funny dying. I bet you are not laughing now.
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On October 22 2012 08:26 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 08:13 r00ty wrote:On October 22 2012 07:59 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 07:41 r00ty wrote:On October 22 2012 07:28 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 07:27 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 22 2012 07:25 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 07:23 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 22 2012 07:20 heliusx wrote:On October 22 2012 07:17 Xiphos wrote:
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No because candy and chocolate are less mind altering than weed.
You obviously have never had the courage to say "Okay I'm going to stop it forever." because you can't live with the thought of living life, Cannabis-less anymore. And that's addiction.
Beside addiction means any other substance that isn't mandatory for one's survival. In that sense, we are all addicted to the internet because we don't really need to survive whereas a certain amount of food, sleep, water, O2 gases the basic necessity of life.
Then there are different level of harm done by the addiction which the laws have settle a standard to its harm.
But the primary reason why weed isn't legal is because of its smell. Tobacco's smell is way less pungent and scatters more quickly while Alcohol don't exhume scent in the first place.
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So I'm guessing that my neighborhood > yours.
You should really move out of it. Honestly why bother lol. Anyone who considers marijuana addiction qualities to be equal to chocolate is clueless in the most literal sense of the word. I don't understand why on tlnet we can't ever discuss marijuana side effects without certain people getting strangely defensive. Because there is way too much misinformation being spewed. One piece of information that is irrefutable is that marijuana has ZERO addictive qualities. There is no physical dependencies, nor withdrawl symptoms. Keep toking on that joint for the rest of your life man. I will, and I do it by my personal choice, not because of any kind of dependency. I prefer the vaporizer, but I'm not really picky. I LOL'd. Thank you for the grin on my face. Keep running on that hamster wheel. Do you drink alcohol? You better don't or you are a hypocrite. There's more people around who smoke weed and lead a normal productive life than hopeless stoner kids you seem to have in mind, let me assure you. It's just they are not all in your face about it because of guess what!? Haven't gotten drunk once in my lifetime....and what am I suppose to guess about? Because it's illegal and the law can destroy your life (criminal record, loss of drivers license) way more than the consumption. Do you think alcohol should be prohibited? Well because I don't drink alcohol, so yes it should be prohibited because it doesn't affect me. But I do smoke at one time at regular daily intervals. And somewhat is active in that field. But even though I do, I still think that it should remain illegal. Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 08:14 mynameisgreat11 wrote:On October 22 2012 07:17 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 07:01 FeelReD wrote:
People who throw out arguments like, ppl get fucked up lungs/ get addicted, / they get aggressive. please stfu and read up before u talk. its stupid to see.
in generel , you wont get more addicted to weed, than u do with chocolate. There isnt anything addictive to weed, like there is to cigs. , and you can consume weed in so many ways, you wont believe it.
and people overuse all sorts of stuff. alcohol, cigarettes, computer games ( ye. ive read lots of people who dies/get their kid killed cus of no intenstion to it, because of the parents gaming ) , hell. even candy? people get fat, isnt that their own problem?
should we also illegalise candy because people dont know how to control it?.
No because candy and chocolate are less mind altering than weed. You obviously have never had the courage to say "Okay I'm going to stop it forever." because you can't live with the thought of living life, Cannabis-less anymore. And that's addiction. Beside addiction means any other substance that isn't mandatory for one's survival. In that sense, we are all addicted to the internet because we don't really need to survive whereas a certain amount of food, sleep, water, O2 gases the basic necessity of life. Then there are different level of harm done by the addiction which the laws have settle a standard to its harm. But the primary reason why weed isn't legal is because of its smell. Tobacco's smell is way less pungent and scatters more quickly while Alcohol don't exhume scent in the first place. On October 22 2012 07:16 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 22 2012 07:00 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 06:44 FeUerFlieGe wrote:
Legalization would hurt the distributors and growers of marijuana, but it would also reduce crime. Legalization means to reduce the price from distributors. I think that in Canada, it is somewhat already legalized to a certain extend. You can carry like 3 bags of weed and the most the cops will do to you is to confiscate it and leave it with a warning afterward for smoking in public. But however if you have more than a specific size, charges will be done. You "think". No, it is not legalized in any way in Canada. Most people don't give a shit if you smoke it, but there are some that do, and if they report you, or you are caught by the police, you run the risk of charges. Consequences vary from cop to cop, speaking from (a lot of) personal experience. So I'm guessing that my neighborhood > yours. You should really move out of it. It's pretty easy to make the argument that junk food and obesity is a much more serious health concern than smoking/vaporizing/eating cannabis. But on the basal level, weeds's effect is stronger than junk food in terms of altering one's mind/actions.
Ok. I really respect your opinion and kinda admire you for your overall soberness.  But then go ahead make a thread about the prohibition of alcohol. Check out the responses there and then come back.
I understand that the first thing that comes to mind are those kids failing at life because of hardcore smoking, but do you really think the weed is the only thing to blame? Bill Gates still managed to do something with his life (yep he was a toker). Ted Turner (CNN) still smokes afaik. As do A LOT of other successful people. Check the last thread or google.
As i said, there's more weed smokers around than you'd think and most of them are absolutely normal people. Just check the statistics: If all people who were caught on possession (as Bill Gates was) were of the type you seem to think of...
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Marijuana is illegal in North Korea? You learn something new everyday.
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On October 22 2012 07:29 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 07:23 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 22 2012 07:20 heliusx wrote:On October 22 2012 07:17 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 07:01 FeelReD wrote:
People who throw out arguments like, ppl get fucked up lungs/ get addicted, / they get aggressive. please stfu and read up before u talk. its stupid to see.
in generel , you wont get more addicted to weed, than u do with chocolate. There isnt anything addictive to weed, like there is to cigs. , and you can consume weed in so many ways, you wont believe it.
and people overuse all sorts of stuff. alcohol, cigarettes, computer games ( ye. ive read lots of people who dies/get their kid killed cus of no intenstion to it, because of the parents gaming ) , hell. even candy? people get fat, isnt that their own problem?
should we also illegalise candy because people dont know how to control it?. No because candy and chocolate are less mind altering than weed. You obviously have never had the courage to say "Okay I'm going to stop it forever." because you can't live with the thought of living life, Cannabis-less anymore. And that's addiction. Beside addiction means any other substance that isn't mandatory for one's survival. In that sense, we are all addicted to the internet because we don't really need to survive whereas a certain amount of food, sleep, water, O2 gases the basic necessity of life. Then there are different level of harm done by the addiction which the laws have settle a standard to its harm. But the primary reason why weed isn't legal is because of its smell. Tobacco's smell is way less pungent and scatters more quickly while Alcohol don't exhume scent in the first place. On October 22 2012 07:16 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 22 2012 07:00 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 06:44 FeUerFlieGe wrote:
Legalization would hurt the distributors and growers of marijuana, but it would also reduce crime. Legalization means to reduce the price from distributors. I think that in Canada, it is somewhat already legalized to a certain extend. You can carry like 3 bags of weed and the most the cops will do to you is to confiscate it and leave it with a warning afterward for smoking in public. But however if you have more than a specific size, charges will be done. You "think". No, it is not legalized in any way in Canada. Most people don't give a shit if you smoke it, but there are some that do, and if they report you, or you are caught by the police, you run the risk of charges. Consequences vary from cop to cop, speaking from (a lot of) personal experience. So I'm guessing that my neighborhood > yours. You should really move out of it. Honestly why bother lol. Anyone who considers marijuana addiction qualities to be equal to chocolate is clueless in the most literal sense of the word. I don't understand why on tlnet we can't ever discuss marijuana side effects without certain people getting strangely defensive. Because there is way too much misinformation being spewed. One piece of information that is irrefutable is that marijuana has ZERO addictive qualities. There is no physical dependencies, nor withdrawl symptoms. You're so wrong it hurts. The American Psychiatric Association DSM4 manual specifically defines cannabis dependence. There ARE COUNTLESS documents which also claim the same. Hell in my personal experience as well as many other people I've had all kinds of symptoms linked to my cessation of very heavy use of cannabis. Just because your personal experience doesn't mimic reality proves nothing.
Previous editions of the DSM listed homosexuality as a mental disorder. Was that classification accurate?
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On October 22 2012 08:05 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 08:00 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 22 2012 07:59 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 07:41 r00ty wrote:On October 22 2012 07:28 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 07:27 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 22 2012 07:25 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 07:23 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 22 2012 07:20 heliusx wrote:On October 22 2012 07:17 Xiphos wrote:
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No because candy and chocolate are less mind altering than weed.
You obviously have never had the courage to say "Okay I'm going to stop it forever." because you can't live with the thought of living life, Cannabis-less anymore. And that's addiction.
Beside addiction means any other substance that isn't mandatory for one's survival. In that sense, we are all addicted to the internet because we don't really need to survive whereas a certain amount of food, sleep, water, O2 gases the basic necessity of life.
Then there are different level of harm done by the addiction which the laws have settle a standard to its harm.
But the primary reason why weed isn't legal is because of its smell. Tobacco's smell is way less pungent and scatters more quickly while Alcohol don't exhume scent in the first place.
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So I'm guessing that my neighborhood > yours.
You should really move out of it. Honestly why bother lol. Anyone who considers marijuana addiction qualities to be equal to chocolate is clueless in the most literal sense of the word. I don't understand why on tlnet we can't ever discuss marijuana side effects without certain people getting strangely defensive. Because there is way too much misinformation being spewed. One piece of information that is irrefutable is that marijuana has ZERO addictive qualities. There is no physical dependencies, nor withdrawl symptoms. Keep toking on that joint for the rest of your life man. I will, and I do it by my personal choice, not because of any kind of dependency. I prefer the vaporizer, but I'm not really picky. I LOL'd. Thank you for the grin on my face. Keep running on that hamster wheel. Do you drink alcohol? You better don't or you are a hypocrite. There's more people around who smoke weed and lead a normal productive life than hopeless stoner kids you seem to have in mind, let me assure you. It's just they are not all in your face about it because of guess what!? Haven't gotten drunk once in my lifetime....and what am I suppose to guess about? Could you please stop making shit posts for the sake of stirring the pot? Thanks. Talk about being a hypocrisy here. You are the one who is in this whole conspiracy that Big Pharma is bribing people to post up spurious results of their testing. Marijuana does have a negative side effects, deal with them.
I fail to see how calling me a conspiracy theorist or being passive-aggressive is making a point in this discussion.
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On October 22 2012 08:53 r00ty wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 08:26 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 08:13 r00ty wrote:On October 22 2012 07:59 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 07:41 r00ty wrote:On October 22 2012 07:28 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 07:27 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 22 2012 07:25 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 07:23 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 22 2012 07:20 heliusx wrote:
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Honestly why bother lol. Anyone who considers marijuana addiction qualities to be equal to chocolate is clueless in the most literal sense of the word. I don't understand why on tlnet we can't ever discuss marijuana side effects without certain people getting strangely defensive. Because there is way too much misinformation being spewed. One piece of information that is irrefutable is that marijuana has ZERO addictive qualities. There is no physical dependencies, nor withdrawl symptoms. Keep toking on that joint for the rest of your life man. I will, and I do it by my personal choice, not because of any kind of dependency. I prefer the vaporizer, but I'm not really picky. I LOL'd. Thank you for the grin on my face. Keep running on that hamster wheel. Do you drink alcohol? You better don't or you are a hypocrite. There's more people around who smoke weed and lead a normal productive life than hopeless stoner kids you seem to have in mind, let me assure you. It's just they are not all in your face about it because of guess what!? Haven't gotten drunk once in my lifetime....and what am I suppose to guess about? Because it's illegal and the law can destroy your life (criminal record, loss of drivers license) way more than the consumption. Do you think alcohol should be prohibited? Well because I don't drink alcohol, so yes it should be prohibited because it doesn't affect me. But I do smoke at one time at regular daily intervals. And somewhat is active in that field. But even though I do, I still think that it should remain illegal. On October 22 2012 08:14 mynameisgreat11 wrote:On October 22 2012 07:17 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 07:01 FeelReD wrote:
People who throw out arguments like, ppl get fucked up lungs/ get addicted, / they get aggressive. please stfu and read up before u talk. its stupid to see.
in generel , you wont get more addicted to weed, than u do with chocolate. There isnt anything addictive to weed, like there is to cigs. , and you can consume weed in so many ways, you wont believe it.
and people overuse all sorts of stuff. alcohol, cigarettes, computer games ( ye. ive read lots of people who dies/get their kid killed cus of no intenstion to it, because of the parents gaming ) , hell. even candy? people get fat, isnt that their own problem?
should we also illegalise candy because people dont know how to control it?.
No because candy and chocolate are less mind altering than weed. You obviously have never had the courage to say "Okay I'm going to stop it forever." because you can't live with the thought of living life, Cannabis-less anymore. And that's addiction. Beside addiction means any other substance that isn't mandatory for one's survival. In that sense, we are all addicted to the internet because we don't really need to survive whereas a certain amount of food, sleep, water, O2 gases the basic necessity of life. Then there are different level of harm done by the addiction which the laws have settle a standard to its harm. But the primary reason why weed isn't legal is because of its smell. Tobacco's smell is way less pungent and scatters more quickly while Alcohol don't exhume scent in the first place. On October 22 2012 07:16 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 22 2012 07:00 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 06:44 FeUerFlieGe wrote:
Legalization would hurt the distributors and growers of marijuana, but it would also reduce crime. Legalization means to reduce the price from distributors. I think that in Canada, it is somewhat already legalized to a certain extend. You can carry like 3 bags of weed and the most the cops will do to you is to confiscate it and leave it with a warning afterward for smoking in public. But however if you have more than a specific size, charges will be done. You "think". No, it is not legalized in any way in Canada. Most people don't give a shit if you smoke it, but there are some that do, and if they report you, or you are caught by the police, you run the risk of charges. Consequences vary from cop to cop, speaking from (a lot of) personal experience. So I'm guessing that my neighborhood > yours. You should really move out of it. It's pretty easy to make the argument that junk food and obesity is a much more serious health concern than smoking/vaporizing/eating cannabis. But on the basal level, weeds's effect is stronger than junk food in terms of altering one's mind/actions. Ok. I really respect your opinion and kinda admire you for your overall soberness. But then go ahead make a thread about the prohibition of alcohol. Check out the responses there and then come back. I understand that the first thing that comes to mind are those kids failing at life because of hardcore smoking, but do you really think the weed is the only thing to blame? Bill Gates still managed to do something with his life (yep he was a toker). Ted Turner (CNN) still smokes afaik. As do A LOT of other successful people. Check the last thread or google. As i said, there's more weed smokers around than you'd think and most of them are absolutely normal people. Just check the statistics: If all people who were caught on possession (as Bill Gates was) were of the type you seem to think of... + Show Spoiler +
The thing is that those people have it under control and not abuse it vehemently. The thing is that during high school, I've hung out with many stoners since I was one (well still is, to a certain extent).
There are 7 people that I personally known that smoked it at daily basis, like running out of 1 bag/day. And this is funny because I've actually wrote a similar PM to TL user PanN on weed.
Anyways, here is it:
" In my high school time, we got a whole bunch of group of people that use weed almost daily. Like the 7 of us would at least go through 4 grams a day during recess time. But then one day, we were talking about the weed and everyone was saying the advantage of the weed. And then someone said "Idk, sometime I find it pretty boring to get high and would want to be sober for a change of pace or something." So later on, people brought up their take on the disadvantage of the herb. By then the usual symptoms pops when not high is to feel extremely bored and life-less without it. But I proposed that all of us don't smoke for a whole month as an experiment.
Funny thing was that 4 of us decided to call it a quit of the substance after the time's expiration. And from those 4 (me actually being a part of it) felt actually better to be in our natural state because of the cleanse. I l kept in contact with the other 3, 2 of them struggled really much in school after quitting weed that one of them dropped out and picked up weed again. But the other two went all the way through to quit. A few weeks ago, I talked to them and they have told me that the first month was the hardest to quit it because of headaches but then as time went on, it took them over a year to finally clear any feeling of THC in their bodies like 100% off.
But the thing you have to know is that we were young, and the younger you are, the more power THC have over you because your brain's signal pathways haven't been fully aligned properly so by quitting, it messes your growth up.
So yeah, its not really a matter of statistics I have found as a secondary evidence but this is seeing first hand. "
Me and those 3 guys, passed our test and got into universities for our passion. Mine being computer science because I wan to recreate the excitement of BW devoid of legal action by Blizzard and their QQing. The other 3 got into University of Ontario Technology in electrical engineering, lazer technology, computer engineering. While the other 3 I've mentionned flunked out of their courses but one of them is lucky enough to have enough apprenticeship skills in electrician and got a job as a manager at his uncle's Car workshop. But the other 2 still have to take an extra school year in order to graduate (In Canada, you need at least 30 credit to graduate in which they have failed 5/4 of their courses respectively in grade 12). And one of them comes from a long line of drug dealing.
Like I think that one should definitely not start smoking pot at a juvenile age. If I didn't get out of the game sooner, I could find myself caught in that situation and even though we were 'bros' back in the days, my respect can't be helped but to lost for them.
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On October 22 2012 09:06 Immaterial wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 07:29 heliusx wrote:On October 22 2012 07:23 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 22 2012 07:20 heliusx wrote:On October 22 2012 07:17 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 07:01 FeelReD wrote:
People who throw out arguments like, ppl get fucked up lungs/ get addicted, / they get aggressive. please stfu and read up before u talk. its stupid to see.
in generel , you wont get more addicted to weed, than u do with chocolate. There isnt anything addictive to weed, like there is to cigs. , and you can consume weed in so many ways, you wont believe it.
and people overuse all sorts of stuff. alcohol, cigarettes, computer games ( ye. ive read lots of people who dies/get their kid killed cus of no intenstion to it, because of the parents gaming ) , hell. even candy? people get fat, isnt that their own problem?
should we also illegalise candy because people dont know how to control it?. No because candy and chocolate are less mind altering than weed. You obviously have never had the courage to say "Okay I'm going to stop it forever." because you can't live with the thought of living life, Cannabis-less anymore. And that's addiction. Beside addiction means any other substance that isn't mandatory for one's survival. In that sense, we are all addicted to the internet because we don't really need to survive whereas a certain amount of food, sleep, water, O2 gases the basic necessity of life. Then there are different level of harm done by the addiction which the laws have settle a standard to its harm. But the primary reason why weed isn't legal is because of its smell. Tobacco's smell is way less pungent and scatters more quickly while Alcohol don't exhume scent in the first place. On October 22 2012 07:16 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 22 2012 07:00 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 06:44 FeUerFlieGe wrote:
Legalization would hurt the distributors and growers of marijuana, but it would also reduce crime. Legalization means to reduce the price from distributors. I think that in Canada, it is somewhat already legalized to a certain extend. You can carry like 3 bags of weed and the most the cops will do to you is to confiscate it and leave it with a warning afterward for smoking in public. But however if you have more than a specific size, charges will be done. You "think". No, it is not legalized in any way in Canada. Most people don't give a shit if you smoke it, but there are some that do, and if they report you, or you are caught by the police, you run the risk of charges. Consequences vary from cop to cop, speaking from (a lot of) personal experience. So I'm guessing that my neighborhood > yours. You should really move out of it. Honestly why bother lol. Anyone who considers marijuana addiction qualities to be equal to chocolate is clueless in the most literal sense of the word. I don't understand why on tlnet we can't ever discuss marijuana side effects without certain people getting strangely defensive. Because there is way too much misinformation being spewed. One piece of information that is irrefutable is that marijuana has ZERO addictive qualities. There is no physical dependencies, nor withdrawl symptoms. You're so wrong it hurts. The American Psychiatric Association DSM4 manual specifically defines cannabis dependence. There ARE COUNTLESS documents which also claim the same. Hell in my personal experience as well as many other people I've had all kinds of symptoms linked to my cessation of very heavy use of cannabis. Just because your personal experience doesn't mimic reality proves nothing. Previous editions of the DSM listed homosexuality as a mental disorder. Was that classification accurate?
Don't know I'm not a psychiatrist. I'm sure it was taken out when deemed inaccurate. So what does this have to do with the modern edition? Are you saying the DSM isn't a valid source? Because millions of researchers and clinicians say you're wrong, but I'm sure you're way more intelligent and informed on this subject than them.
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On October 22 2012 09:16 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 09:06 Immaterial wrote:On October 22 2012 07:29 heliusx wrote:On October 22 2012 07:23 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 22 2012 07:20 heliusx wrote:On October 22 2012 07:17 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 07:01 FeelReD wrote:
People who throw out arguments like, ppl get fucked up lungs/ get addicted, / they get aggressive. please stfu and read up before u talk. its stupid to see.
in generel , you wont get more addicted to weed, than u do with chocolate. There isnt anything addictive to weed, like there is to cigs. , and you can consume weed in so many ways, you wont believe it.
and people overuse all sorts of stuff. alcohol, cigarettes, computer games ( ye. ive read lots of people who dies/get their kid killed cus of no intenstion to it, because of the parents gaming ) , hell. even candy? people get fat, isnt that their own problem?
should we also illegalise candy because people dont know how to control it?. No because candy and chocolate are less mind altering than weed. You obviously have never had the courage to say "Okay I'm going to stop it forever." because you can't live with the thought of living life, Cannabis-less anymore. And that's addiction. Beside addiction means any other substance that isn't mandatory for one's survival. In that sense, we are all addicted to the internet because we don't really need to survive whereas a certain amount of food, sleep, water, O2 gases the basic necessity of life. Then there are different level of harm done by the addiction which the laws have settle a standard to its harm. But the primary reason why weed isn't legal is because of its smell. Tobacco's smell is way less pungent and scatters more quickly while Alcohol don't exhume scent in the first place. On October 22 2012 07:16 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 22 2012 07:00 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 06:44 FeUerFlieGe wrote:
Legalization would hurt the distributors and growers of marijuana, but it would also reduce crime. Legalization means to reduce the price from distributors. I think that in Canada, it is somewhat already legalized to a certain extend. You can carry like 3 bags of weed and the most the cops will do to you is to confiscate it and leave it with a warning afterward for smoking in public. But however if you have more than a specific size, charges will be done. You "think". No, it is not legalized in any way in Canada. Most people don't give a shit if you smoke it, but there are some that do, and if they report you, or you are caught by the police, you run the risk of charges. Consequences vary from cop to cop, speaking from (a lot of) personal experience. So I'm guessing that my neighborhood > yours. You should really move out of it. Honestly why bother lol. Anyone who considers marijuana addiction qualities to be equal to chocolate is clueless in the most literal sense of the word. I don't understand why on tlnet we can't ever discuss marijuana side effects without certain people getting strangely defensive. Because there is way too much misinformation being spewed. One piece of information that is irrefutable is that marijuana has ZERO addictive qualities. There is no physical dependencies, nor withdrawl symptoms. You're so wrong it hurts. The American Psychiatric Association DSM4 manual specifically defines cannabis dependence. There ARE COUNTLESS documents which also claim the same. Hell in my personal experience as well as many other people I've had all kinds of symptoms linked to my cessation of very heavy use of cannabis. Just because your personal experience doesn't mimic reality proves nothing. Previous editions of the DSM listed homosexuality as a mental disorder. Was that classification accurate? Don't know I'm not a psychiatrist. I'm sure it was taken out when deemed inaccurate. So what does this have to do with the modern edition? Are you saying the DSM isn't a valid source? Because millions of researchers and clinicians say you're wrong, but I'm sure you're way more intelligent and informed on this subject than them.
Don't create a strawman by implying that my claim is something like "I'm more intelligent and informed than researchers/clinicians and the DSM is hogwash." My point is that such things are not infallible. "Cannabis Use Disorder" or whatever being listed in the DSM does not necessarily mean that Cannabis is more addicting than any other serotonin releasing activity. Of course the brain can become accustomed to increased levels of serotonin and cessation after heavy use will result in mild discomfort for some people, and some people will without a doubt abuse cannabis. However, if we made public policy decisions based on the select few idiots who will abuse stuff then life would be pretty boring, no? No more delicious yet unhealthy food, and no more cars because someone might just decide to drive too fast and kill somebody. And no more ESPORTS because some dude in a PC bang might die from exhaustion after playing too long. As Joe Rogan says, lets nerf the world.
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Gambling and gaming addiction are also listed in the DSM. The fact that they're classified as psychological disorders in no way implies that it's a physically addictive substance. Go to any drug abuse program or rehab center and there are people in there addicted to weed, it can become a habit just like gaming, gambling, porn etc..
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Everything in moderation.
My personal view is one session per week maximum, similar to drinking.
Otherwise, even if there weren't ANY negative effects associated be it mental or physical, one would be wasting too much time.
For 5% - 11% of the population with an addictive personality however, it will turn into a daily habit and the question is, what do you do with these people?
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On October 22 2012 09:38 EngrishTeacher wrote:
Everything in moderation.
My personal view is one session per week maximum, similar to drinking.
Otherwise, even if there weren't ANY negative effects associated be it mental or physical, one would be wasting too much time.
For 5% - 11% of the population with an addictive personality however, it will turn into a daily habit and the question is, what do you do with these people?
Evidently you just deny that it can become an addiction.
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On October 22 2012 07:44 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 07:39 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 22 2012 07:29 heliusx wrote:On October 22 2012 07:23 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 22 2012 07:20 heliusx wrote:On October 22 2012 07:17 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 07:01 FeelReD wrote:
People who throw out arguments like, ppl get fucked up lungs/ get addicted, / they get aggressive. please stfu and read up before u talk. its stupid to see.
in generel , you wont get more addicted to weed, than u do with chocolate. There isnt anything addictive to weed, like there is to cigs. , and you can consume weed in so many ways, you wont believe it.
and people overuse all sorts of stuff. alcohol, cigarettes, computer games ( ye. ive read lots of people who dies/get their kid killed cus of no intenstion to it, because of the parents gaming ) , hell. even candy? people get fat, isnt that their own problem?
should we also illegalise candy because people dont know how to control it?. No because candy and chocolate are less mind altering than weed. You obviously have never had the courage to say "Okay I'm going to stop it forever." because you can't live with the thought of living life, Cannabis-less anymore. And that's addiction. Beside addiction means any other substance that isn't mandatory for one's survival. In that sense, we are all addicted to the internet because we don't really need to survive whereas a certain amount of food, sleep, water, O2 gases the basic necessity of life. Then there are different level of harm done by the addiction which the laws have settle a standard to its harm. But the primary reason why weed isn't legal is because of its smell. Tobacco's smell is way less pungent and scatters more quickly while Alcohol don't exhume scent in the first place. On October 22 2012 07:16 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 22 2012 07:00 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 06:44 FeUerFlieGe wrote:
Legalization would hurt the distributors and growers of marijuana, but it would also reduce crime. Legalization means to reduce the price from distributors. I think that in Canada, it is somewhat already legalized to a certain extend. You can carry like 3 bags of weed and the most the cops will do to you is to confiscate it and leave it with a warning afterward for smoking in public. But however if you have more than a specific size, charges will be done. You "think". No, it is not legalized in any way in Canada. Most people don't give a shit if you smoke it, but there are some that do, and if they report you, or you are caught by the police, you run the risk of charges. Consequences vary from cop to cop, speaking from (a lot of) personal experience. So I'm guessing that my neighborhood > yours. You should really move out of it. Honestly why bother lol. Anyone who considers marijuana addiction qualities to be equal to chocolate is clueless in the most literal sense of the word. I don't understand why on tlnet we can't ever discuss marijuana side effects without certain people getting strangely defensive. Because there is way too much misinformation being spewed. One piece of information that is irrefutable is that marijuana has ZERO addictive qualities. There is no physical dependencies, nor withdrawl symptoms. You're so wrong it hurts. The American Psychiatric Association DMV4 manual specifically defines cannabis dependence. There ARE COUNTLESS documents which also claim the same. Hell in my personal experience as well as many other people I've had all kinds of symptoms linked to my cessation of very heavy use of cannabis. Just because your personal experience doesn't mimic reality proves nothing.
There is no physical dependencies, nor physical withdrawl symptoms
I should have worded that better, fixed now. The symptoms you are referring to are what exactly? It's kind of semantics to be honest, some will argue it isn't physical. Let me be clear also I'm not trying to say it's anywhere near the level of alcohol,opiates, or cocaine withdrawal because that would be stupid. The main symptoms that really bothered me and I would consider physical are the headaches, inability to sleep, and huge reduction in appetite. One could argue that most of this is mental but isn't. They are caused by chemical changes going on within your body as it adjusts. And on the topic of mental addiction, it's obvious to anyone who takes a break after very heavy use.
smoked most everyday for over 3 years now, a few months ago i quit with my wife because we was going military. No physical or mental addiction. I did miss the party sure. I missed being high, but after the 3rd day i stopped thinking about it. I started thinking "its about that time to fire up a bowl" because that became a habbit instead of an addiction. there is a difference. from my personal experience and feelings. marijuana is a habit in your lifestyle, not an addiction to a chemical.
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On October 21 2012 18:24 jimbob615 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 18:19 DystopiaX wrote:On October 21 2012 18:17 jimbob615 wrote:
well from a society point of view, people who smoke weed are also the the laziest and most unproductive people. i'm not sure i'd want that legalised so everyone goes on welfare to get high every day. From personal experience I can say that's not true, some of the best workers I know also smoke weed in their free time. i believe you, but like anything in life, there will be a spread from one extreme to another. i can counter by saying from my personal experience, the laziest people i've met, EVER, also smoke weed in their free time. a better way to look at it is, on average, is someone going to be slower, more dim-witted and lazier after smoking? on average, i think you will find the answer to this is yes. and is that something we want the masses to have open access to?
You will have people with experiences on all portions of the spectrum. As long as you don't get totally destroyed you can still function entirely normally when high. You can't really use the second sentence as an argument either. Alcohol is widely available and you don't see every drunk off their asses at work do you? Just a little self control.
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On October 22 2012 09:45 Warillions wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 07:44 heliusx wrote:On October 22 2012 07:39 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 22 2012 07:29 heliusx wrote:On October 22 2012 07:23 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 22 2012 07:20 heliusx wrote:On October 22 2012 07:17 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 07:01 FeelReD wrote:
People who throw out arguments like, ppl get fucked up lungs/ get addicted, / they get aggressive. please stfu and read up before u talk. its stupid to see.
in generel , you wont get more addicted to weed, than u do with chocolate. There isnt anything addictive to weed, like there is to cigs. , and you can consume weed in so many ways, you wont believe it.
and people overuse all sorts of stuff. alcohol, cigarettes, computer games ( ye. ive read lots of people who dies/get their kid killed cus of no intenstion to it, because of the parents gaming ) , hell. even candy? people get fat, isnt that their own problem?
should we also illegalise candy because people dont know how to control it?. No because candy and chocolate are less mind altering than weed. You obviously have never had the courage to say "Okay I'm going to stop it forever." because you can't live with the thought of living life, Cannabis-less anymore. And that's addiction. Beside addiction means any other substance that isn't mandatory for one's survival. In that sense, we are all addicted to the internet because we don't really need to survive whereas a certain amount of food, sleep, water, O2 gases the basic necessity of life. Then there are different level of harm done by the addiction which the laws have settle a standard to its harm. But the primary reason why weed isn't legal is because of its smell. Tobacco's smell is way less pungent and scatters more quickly while Alcohol don't exhume scent in the first place. On October 22 2012 07:16 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 22 2012 07:00 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 06:44 FeUerFlieGe wrote:
Legalization would hurt the distributors and growers of marijuana, but it would also reduce crime. Legalization means to reduce the price from distributors. I think that in Canada, it is somewhat already legalized to a certain extend. You can carry like 3 bags of weed and the most the cops will do to you is to confiscate it and leave it with a warning afterward for smoking in public. But however if you have more than a specific size, charges will be done. You "think". No, it is not legalized in any way in Canada. Most people don't give a shit if you smoke it, but there are some that do, and if they report you, or you are caught by the police, you run the risk of charges. Consequences vary from cop to cop, speaking from (a lot of) personal experience. So I'm guessing that my neighborhood > yours. You should really move out of it. Honestly why bother lol. Anyone who considers marijuana addiction qualities to be equal to chocolate is clueless in the most literal sense of the word. I don't understand why on tlnet we can't ever discuss marijuana side effects without certain people getting strangely defensive. Because there is way too much misinformation being spewed. One piece of information that is irrefutable is that marijuana has ZERO addictive qualities. There is no physical dependencies, nor withdrawl symptoms. You're so wrong it hurts. The American Psychiatric Association DMV4 manual specifically defines cannabis dependence. There ARE COUNTLESS documents which also claim the same. Hell in my personal experience as well as many other people I've had all kinds of symptoms linked to my cessation of very heavy use of cannabis. Just because your personal experience doesn't mimic reality proves nothing.
There is no physical dependencies, nor physical withdrawl symptoms
I should have worded that better, fixed now. The symptoms you are referring to are what exactly? It's kind of semantics to be honest, some will argue it isn't physical. Let me be clear also I'm not trying to say it's anywhere near the level of alcohol,opiates, or cocaine withdrawal because that would be stupid. The main symptoms that really bothered me and I would consider physical are the headaches, inability to sleep, and huge reduction in appetite. One could argue that most of this is mental but isn't. They are caused by chemical changes going on within your body as it adjusts. And on the topic of mental addiction, it's obvious to anyone who takes a break after very heavy use. smoked most everyday for over 3 years now, a few months ago i quit with my wife because we was going military. No physical or mental addiction. I did miss the party sure. I missed being high, but after the 3rd day i stopped thinking about it. I started thinking "its about that time to fire up a bowl" because that became a habbit instead of an addiction. there is a difference. from my personal experience and feelings. marijuana is a habit in your lifestyle, not an addiction to a chemical.
I'm glad you had no issues but personal anecdotes don't really prove anything besides what happened to you. I on the other hand had a different experience as have other people.
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On October 22 2012 09:38 EngrishTeacher wrote:
Everything in moderation.
My personal view is one session per week maximum, similar to drinking.
Otherwise, even if there weren't ANY negative effects associated be it mental or physical, one would be wasting too much time.
For 5% - 11% of the population with an addictive personality however, it will turn into a daily habit and the question is, what do you do with these people?
Nothing, because being addicted to marijuana is about as concerning as being addicted to running?
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On October 22 2012 09:12 HackBenjamin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 08:05 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 08:00 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 22 2012 07:59 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 07:41 r00ty wrote:On October 22 2012 07:28 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 07:27 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 22 2012 07:25 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 07:23 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 22 2012 07:20 heliusx wrote:
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Honestly why bother lol. Anyone who considers marijuana addiction qualities to be equal to chocolate is clueless in the most literal sense of the word. I don't understand why on tlnet we can't ever discuss marijuana side effects without certain people getting strangely defensive. Because there is way too much misinformation being spewed. One piece of information that is irrefutable is that marijuana has ZERO addictive qualities. There is no physical dependencies, nor withdrawl symptoms. Keep toking on that joint for the rest of your life man. I will, and I do it by my personal choice, not because of any kind of dependency. I prefer the vaporizer, but I'm not really picky. I LOL'd. Thank you for the grin on my face. Keep running on that hamster wheel. Do you drink alcohol? You better don't or you are a hypocrite. There's more people around who smoke weed and lead a normal productive life than hopeless stoner kids you seem to have in mind, let me assure you. It's just they are not all in your face about it because of guess what!? Haven't gotten drunk once in my lifetime....and what am I suppose to guess about? Could you please stop making shit posts for the sake of stirring the pot? Thanks. Talk about being a hypocrisy here. You are the one who is in this whole conspiracy that Big Pharma is bribing people to post up spurious results of their testing. Marijuana does have a negative side effects, deal with them. I fail to see how calling me a conspiracy theorist or being passive-aggressive is making a point in this discussion.
Yo Jay, pass that shit homie.
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Like it or not...legalization is coming. There's really not much you can say against the argument, "alcohol is legal, why not cannabis?"
Every year, more and more people support legalization. It's only a matter of time.
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On October 22 2012 09:57 DeepElemBlues wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 09:38 EngrishTeacher wrote:
Everything in moderation.
My personal view is one session per week maximum, similar to drinking.
Otherwise, even if there weren't ANY negative effects associated be it mental or physical, one would be wasting too much time.
For 5% - 11% of the population with an addictive personality however, it will turn into a daily habit and the question is, what do you do with these people? Nothing, because being addicted to marijuana is about as concerning as being addicted to running?
Being addicted to marijuana is most definitely more concerning than being addicted to running.
I get crazy weed withdrawals, and I fucking hate it.
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Most things are about money these days. If marijuana were legal people would be growing it more. So how can you compete with grassroots growers? There's no Wal-Mart answer to marijuana, no easily-constructed monopoly system. The people who are not dealers that would become dealers if it was legal to grow and sell would be far better off than they are now. Keeping it illegal is just another way to keep people down. And don't get me started about the pharmaceutical companies.
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On October 22 2012 08:48 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 08:42 DigiGnar wrote:On October 22 2012 08:26 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 08:13 r00ty wrote:On October 22 2012 07:59 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 07:41 r00ty wrote:On October 22 2012 07:28 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 07:27 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 22 2012 07:25 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 07:23 HackBenjamin wrote:
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Because there is way too much misinformation being spewed. One piece of information that is irrefutable is that marijuana has ZERO addictive qualities. There is no physical dependencies, nor withdrawl symptoms. Keep toking on that joint for the rest of your life man. I will, and I do it by my personal choice, not because of any kind of dependency. I prefer the vaporizer, but I'm not really picky. I LOL'd. Thank you for the grin on my face. Keep running on that hamster wheel. Do you drink alcohol? You better don't or you are a hypocrite. There's more people around who smoke weed and lead a normal productive life than hopeless stoner kids you seem to have in mind, let me assure you. It's just they are not all in your face about it because of guess what!? Haven't gotten drunk once in my lifetime....and what am I suppose to guess about? Because it's illegal and the law can destroy your life (criminal record, loss of drivers license) way more than the consumption. Do you think alcohol should be prohibited? Well because I don't drink alcohol, so yes it should be prohibited because it doesn't affect me.
But I do smoke at one time at regular daily intervals. And somewhat is active in that field. But even though I do, I still think that it should remain illegal. On October 22 2012 08:14 mynameisgreat11 wrote:On October 22 2012 07:17 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 07:01 FeelReD wrote:
People who throw out arguments like, ppl get fucked up lungs/ get addicted, / they get aggressive. please stfu and read up before u talk. its stupid to see.
in generel , you wont get more addicted to weed, than u do with chocolate. There isnt anything addictive to weed, like there is to cigs. , and you can consume weed in so many ways, you wont believe it.
and people overuse all sorts of stuff. alcohol, cigarettes, computer games ( ye. ive read lots of people who dies/get their kid killed cus of no intenstion to it, because of the parents gaming ) , hell. even candy? people get fat, isnt that their own problem?
should we also illegalise candy because people dont know how to control it?.
No because candy and chocolate are less mind altering than weed. You obviously have never had the courage to say "Okay I'm going to stop it forever." because you can't live with the thought of living life, Cannabis-less anymore. And that's addiction. Beside addiction means any other substance that isn't mandatory for one's survival. In that sense, we are all addicted to the internet because we don't really need to survive whereas a certain amount of food, sleep, water, O2 gases the basic necessity of life. Then there are different level of harm done by the addiction which the laws have settle a standard to its harm. But the primary reason why weed isn't legal is because of its smell. Tobacco's smell is way less pungent and scatters more quickly while Alcohol don't exhume scent in the first place. On October 22 2012 07:16 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 22 2012 07:00 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 06:44 FeUerFlieGe wrote:
Legalization would hurt the distributors and growers of marijuana, but it would also reduce crime. Legalization means to reduce the price from distributors. I think that in Canada, it is somewhat already legalized to a certain extend. You can carry like 3 bags of weed and the most the cops will do to you is to confiscate it and leave it with a warning afterward for smoking in public. But however if you have more than a specific size, charges will be done. You "think". No, it is not legalized in any way in Canada. Most people don't give a shit if you smoke it, but there are some that do, and if they report you, or you are caught by the police, you run the risk of charges. Consequences vary from cop to cop, speaking from (a lot of) personal experience. So I'm guessing that my neighborhood > yours. You should really move out of it. It's pretty easy to make the argument that junk food and obesity is a much more serious health concern than smoking/vaporizing/eating cannabis. But on the basal level, weeds's effect is stronger than junk food in terms of altering one's mind/actions. I can't stop laughing. Please tell me this isn't your logic for why alcohol should be prohibited again. I'm going to be laughing all week. Nah, by the combine death incident where people were drinking alcohol and then proceed to drive from the dawn of automobile actually exceed the amount of death in World War 2: http://www.duhaime.org/LegalResources/TortPersonalInjury/LawArticle-273/Alcohol-Liability.aspxYeah...this is some serious matters that you find it funny dying. I bet you are not laughing now.
Because that's what you said in the first place, right? People dying is the reason why alcohol should be prohibited was what you said in the first place, right? I mean, I have the quote right there, but I just can't find where you said that.
The amount of deaths that have resulted from WW1, 2, the korean and vietnam war amount to about 110 million people. I actually read your source, which is funny because you exclude three wars. What's also funny is that the source you have given me doesn't actually state how many people have died from drunk driving. It just says someone said that.
When I look for total deaths, I get only statistics for a year. Weird that I can't find a total number. So, for a year, on average, it's about 10k deaths. 10k x 100 years is 1m dead. Seems to be less than 1% of the deaths from the wars your very source has given me. This number is actually probably less because of the amount of drunk driving instances have most likely gone up in the past few decades.
But I still find your first logic funny, that prohibition should come back around because it doesn't affect you. Nowhere, though, will you find me laughing about drunk driving.
(you know what's weird, as well? the number is dwindling for drunk driving related deaths per year.)
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