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On October 22 2012 06:39 Blennd wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 05:15 Arkless wrote:On October 22 2012 04:57 heliusx wrote:On October 22 2012 04:54 Arkless wrote:On October 22 2012 04:49 heliusx wrote:On October 22 2012 04:47 Arkless wrote:On October 22 2012 04:42 heliusx wrote:On October 22 2012 04:35 Arkless wrote:On October 22 2012 03:59 FuzZyLogic wrote:On October 22 2012 03:42 Arkless wrote:
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Umm no, never not once. Dont leave comments if you're just gonna talk out your ass Can you show me the studies that say this? There's multiple studies in the OP that say it increases lung cancer risk. I never said that, i said show me where weed alone gives u lung cancer. Because no, it never has. Google it. I tried googling lung cancer from cannabis alone, nothing. You're being deliberately vague. No one is saying using marijuana in responsible ways will cause cancer (vape or eating). Smoking any substance creates carcinogens which are linked to cancer. If I am mistaken and you are in fact claiming smoking marijuana has no link to cancer you are sorely mistaken. No I'm not, I did just update my OP. But once again, I'm saying. Marijuana-cancer. Hard science. Nothing with "May/Might/Could" in the title please. Marijuana-lung cancer. Ok someone else's turn, i'll check back in later. I read through this article from pubmed last time this was brought up, you should too because you're completely incorrect if in fact you are saying smoking marijuana doesn't cause cancer. Which of course you REFUSE to clarify. http://erj.ersjournals.com/content/31/2/280.long You are aware, that the term "Increased Risk" is not "Cause Of" Right? This isn't shit I don't know. Now please, Lung cancer, caused by marijuana only. Show me My mind is literally blown by your ignorance. Increased risk of what? Not causing cancer? No, increased risk OF CAUSING CANCER. Walking across the street, increases your risk of being hit by a car. Does that mean the act of walking across the street killed you? Or the car it's self? Does the car not exist if you don't walk across the street? That is about the most laymen way for me to explain this to you. If you want to read the journal, in a way that suits you by interpreting it in your favour. Then by all means. But me, when I read something, I usually take the words for their literal meaning. Yes and no one has ever died of AIDS, they die from getting illnesses they wouldn't have otherwise gotten due to the HIV virus having weakened their immune system. Actually, they don't die from that, they die from their heart ceasing to beat as a result of such an illness. Actually wait a minute, they die from oxygen failing to get delivered to their brain cells due to their heart ceasing to beat. What constitutes "cause" is a difficult question to answer, but can we all agree that both AIDS and an increased risk of lung cancer are bad things?
Well, cars need gas to run, it's not like McDonalds gives a shit about your health anyway, right? I mean, if you can paint your walls white, why the fuck should my post have to make any sense or have anything to do with what is being discussed?
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On October 22 2012 03:42 Arkless wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 03:25 FuzZyLogic wrote:On October 21 2012 21:11 Arkless wrote:On October 21 2012 20:30 Probe1 wrote:
I think there is a case to be made that it contains more carcinogens but nicotine binds with receptors while cannabinoids do not which directly increases the amount of carcinogens absorbed and RR of lung cancer. So you could qualify an erroneous statement that cannabis contains more carcinogens however you'd still be wrong if you were trying to argue cancer rates.
Of course there are not enough studies and almost no long term studies. Which makes it a difficult thing to argue definitively for either side.
I agree with you, cannabis is less harmful than tobacco. Show me the science then, because I have never seen anything to suggest that marijuana contains more carcinogens than a cigg. And no, I'm not wrong. No one has gotten cancer from Marijuana consumption alone, ever. Please either show us some hard science, or stop speculating. Watch a doc called "The Union" if you'd like some more of your fallacy's debunked. You'd be surprised what old wives tales that would be put to rest for ya in the first 10 minutes. Weed does increase cancer risk albeit not nearly as much as tobacco. People have DEFINITELY gotten lung cancer from weed alone although it's very difficult to tell since many potheads also smoke cigs. Umm no, never not once. Dont leave comments if you're just gonna talk out your ass
Erm, burning something produces carcinogens, so yes smoking weed will increase the risk of throat / lung cancer. There's no evidence of a cancer link to THC / CBD etc as far as I'm aware of though so a vaporizer is fine.
On October 22 2012 02:31 nBk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 02:09 Xiphos wrote:
Whoever saying that Marijuanna isn't addictive is totally hypocritical. Same applies to those implying that it have no side effects. Addictive? Have you ever seen a Cannabis user act like a crack head? I sure haven't, and never will.
What kind of argument is that? I've never seen many things, doesn't mean they won't happen. Maybe a marajuana user is addicted to crack too and is therefore 'acting like a crack head'. Also addiction doesn't imply acting like a low life, considering a massive amount of the middle classes are addicted to prescription medication, and a very large number of old folks too. Then there's the fact that caffeine addiction is very widespread, although isn't a problem obviously.
On October 22 2012 02:31 nBk wrote:
I smoke/eat cannabis for pain relief instead of taking liver/kidney killing medication. In fact i haven't ate/smoked any in over 2 months and never had any urges like a "addicted" person would. I only smoke/eat Cannabis when i have extreme pain, and it works wonders. Where's this addiction you speak of? Have a credible source of your claims?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_dependence
Read that and the sources, I'm not going to quote from wikipedia. Withdrawal symptoms are noticed in heavy users, although not everyone. Maybe you aren't a heavy user, or maybe you just don't understand what withdrawal means. It can simply mean having a bit of trouble sleeping, you don't have to have cravings, in fact cravings are not a symptom of cannabis withdrawal.
On October 22 2012 02:31 nBk wrote:
Side effects? Sure, i might eat my entire stash of Cheez-its maybe and laugh my ass off at Bill Cosby Himself for the 1000th time. Yeah i guess those are pretty horrible side effects. Again, source of your claims? The good will outweigh the bad by a pretty big margin i would assume regardless.
The only people that would even come close to being "addicted" is kids. But even then half of them do it to fit in or look cool and have no clue of the medicinal benefits of Cannabis or the actual enjoyment of the plant really is about. Just a thought.
You seem highly mis-informed about Cannabis. You should read into it a bit honestly, very interesting stuff.
Anyways, Marijuana should be legal, just like it used to be. Too many benefits from 1 plant to be made illegal in the first place. Hemp anyone? Huge Medicinal benefits? So many good things from this plant could turn a lot of our current problems around for everyone.
I entirely agree it should be legal, and I'm a regular user myself. That doesn't excuse blatant misinformation people spread, all whilst claiming others are spreading it, its intolerable, your personal experiences do no reflect definite truth, scientific inquiry does and it disputes your claims. Marijuana certainly can be addictive, both physiologically and psychologically (as can anything enjoyable though). It is however not as addictive as caffeine and does not have major withdrawal symptoms associated with it, in fact caffeine probably also has stronger withdrawal symptoms.
The only major associated health concern is increased risk of psychological illness, specifically schizophrenia in heavy young users (under 16), there is a significant risk with that age group due to the brain not being fully developed. There is a mild risk in adults, however this risk is generally not that high (comparable to alcohol abuse). However recent studies are suggesting that the increased THC (or rather lack of CBD) content in some strains could see an increase in adults too, however this would be countered by legalization as standards could be set in place (similar to alcohol content restrictions).
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On October 22 2012 06:44 FeUerFlieGe wrote:
Legalization would hurt the distributors and growers of marijuana, but it would also reduce crime.
Legalization means to reduce the price from distributors.
I think that in Canada, it is somewhat already legalized to a certain extend. You can carry like 3 bags of weed and the most the cops will do to you is to confiscate it and leave it with a warning afterward for smoking in public. But however if you have more than a specific size, charges will be done.
In a idea world, you should ONLY be granted weed as a medical use. That means, the shops should be licensed to sell them at mass storage. So dealer will turn into pharmacists and be beneficial to the society. Now the price of each store are completely set by the owner themselves so there will be price competition.
But one should not just take it for recreational purpose, it should only served or prescribed to those in need. And the user should be punished for smoking it outdoor where there are high population density.
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People who throw out arguments like, ppl get fucked up lungs/ get addicted, / they get aggressive. please stfu and read up before u talk. its stupid to see.
in generel , you wont get more addicted to weed, than u do with chocolate. There isnt anything addictive to weed, like there is to cigs. , and you can consume weed in so many ways, you wont believe it.
and people overuse all sorts of stuff. alcohol, cigarettes, computer games ( ye. ive read lots of people who dies/get their kid killed cus of no intenstion to it, because of the parents gaming ) , hell. even candy? people get fat, isnt that their own problem?
should we also illegalise candy because people dont know how to control it?.
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On October 22 2012 07:01 FeelReD wrote:
People who throw out arguments like, ppl get fucked up lungs/ get addicted, / they get aggressive. please stfu and read up before u talk. its stupid to see.
in generel , you wont get more addicted to weed, than u do with chocolate. There isnt anything addictive to weed, like there is to cigs. , and you can consume weed in so many ways, you wont believe it.
and people overuse all sorts of stuff. alcohol, cigarettes, computer games ( ye. ive read lots of people who dies/get their kid killed cus of no intenstion to it, because of the parents gaming ) , hell. even candy? people get fat, isnt that their own problem?
should we also illegalise candy because people dont know how to control it?.
I'm kind of at a lost for what exactly you are saying. Anyway I haven't really seen anyone with a decent argument against legalization in this thread. What I have seen in this thread though are a few people trying to further the cause of legalization through blatant misinformation, and that is why you are seeing a few people playing devils advocate. Legalization will not happen through making up bullshit about there being no harm to using marijuana. What will help our cause for legalization is looking at the scientific facts of the substance and better understanding where the risks come from.
So instead of saying "lol u so stupid marijuana doesn't hurt your lungs". You could say "smoking anything will cause damage but through vaporization and edibles you can alleviate the damage and safely consume marijuana".
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On October 22 2012 07:00 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 06:44 FeUerFlieGe wrote:
Legalization would hurt the distributors and growers of marijuana, but it would also reduce crime. Legalization means to reduce the price from distributors. I think that in Canada, it is somewhat already legalized to a certain extend. You can carry like 3 bags of weed and the most the cops will do to you is to confiscate it and leave it with a warning afterward for smoking in public. But however if you have more than a specific size, charges will be done.
You "think".
No, it is not legalized in any way in Canada. Most people don't give a shit if you smoke it, but there are some that do, and if they report you, or you are caught by the police, you run the risk of charges. Consequences vary from cop to cop, speaking from (a lot of) personal experience.
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On October 21 2012 18:26 Probe1 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 18:19 HwangjaeTerran wrote:3-4 Cannabis cigarettes a day are associated with the same evidence of acute and chronic bronchitis and the same degree of damage to the bronchial mucosa as 20 or more tobacco cigarettes a day. That's not a real argument. It's like banning water because people might fill their lungs with it. Yes it is. Smoking 3-4 unfiltered cigarettes a day is also like smoking 20 or more filtered cigarettes. Cannabis contains far more carcinogens than tobacco. I've smoked pot for over 10 years and I support legalization but please, don't try to blow smoke up my ass. It's cancerous.
Use a vaporizer ?
Carcinogens no longer a problem.
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On October 22 2012 07:01 FeelReD wrote:
People who throw out arguments like, ppl get fucked up lungs/ get addicted, / they get aggressive. please stfu and read up before u talk. its stupid to see.
in generel , you wont get more addicted to weed, than u do with chocolate. There isnt anything addictive to weed, like there is to cigs. , and you can consume weed in so many ways, you wont believe it.
and people overuse all sorts of stuff. alcohol, cigarettes, computer games ( ye. ive read lots of people who dies/get their kid killed cus of no intenstion to it, because of the parents gaming ) , hell. even candy? people get fat, isnt that their own problem?
should we also illegalise candy because people dont know how to control it?.
No because candy and chocolate are less mind altering than weed.
You obviously have never had the courage to say "Okay I'm going to stop it forever." because you can't live with the thought of living life, Cannabis-less anymore. And that's addiction.
Beside addiction means any other substance that isn't mandatory for one's survival. In that sense, we are all addicted to the internet because we don't really need to survive whereas a certain amount of food, sleep, water, O2 gases the basic necessity of life.
Then there are different level of harm done by the addiction which the laws have settle a standard to its harm.
But the primary reason why weed isn't legal is because of its smell. Tobacco's smell is way less pungent and scatters more quickly while Alcohol don't exhume scent in the first place.
On October 22 2012 07:16 HackBenjamin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 07:00 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 06:44 FeUerFlieGe wrote:
Legalization would hurt the distributors and growers of marijuana, but it would also reduce crime. Legalization means to reduce the price from distributors. I think that in Canada, it is somewhat already legalized to a certain extend. You can carry like 3 bags of weed and the most the cops will do to you is to confiscate it and leave it with a warning afterward for smoking in public. But however if you have more than a specific size, charges will be done. You "think". No, it is not legalized in any way in Canada. Most people don't give a shit if you smoke it, but there are some that do, and if they report you, or you are caught by the police, you run the risk of charges. Consequences vary from cop to cop, speaking from (a lot of) personal experience.
So I'm guessing that my neighborhood > yours.
You should really move out of it.
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On October 22 2012 07:17 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 07:01 FeelReD wrote:
People who throw out arguments like, ppl get fucked up lungs/ get addicted, / they get aggressive. please stfu and read up before u talk. its stupid to see.
in generel , you wont get more addicted to weed, than u do with chocolate. There isnt anything addictive to weed, like there is to cigs. , and you can consume weed in so many ways, you wont believe it.
and people overuse all sorts of stuff. alcohol, cigarettes, computer games ( ye. ive read lots of people who dies/get their kid killed cus of no intenstion to it, because of the parents gaming ) , hell. even candy? people get fat, isnt that their own problem?
should we also illegalise candy because people dont know how to control it?. No because candy and chocolate are less mind altering than weed. You obviously have never had the courage to say "Okay I'm going to stop it forever." because you can't live with the thought of living life, Cannabis-less anymore. And that's addiction. Beside addiction means any other substance that isn't mandatory for one's survival. In that sense, we are all addicted to the internet because we don't really need to survive whereas a certain amount of food, sleep, water, O2 gases the basic necessity of life. Then there are different level of harm done by the addiction which the laws have settle a standard to its harm. But the primary reason why weed isn't legal is because of its smell. Tobacco's smell is way less pungent and scatters more quickly while Alcohol don't exhume scent in the first place. Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 07:16 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 22 2012 07:00 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 06:44 FeUerFlieGe wrote:
Legalization would hurt the distributors and growers of marijuana, but it would also reduce crime. Legalization means to reduce the price from distributors. I think that in Canada, it is somewhat already legalized to a certain extend. You can carry like 3 bags of weed and the most the cops will do to you is to confiscate it and leave it with a warning afterward for smoking in public. But however if you have more than a specific size, charges will be done. You "think". No, it is not legalized in any way in Canada. Most people don't give a shit if you smoke it, but there are some that do, and if they report you, or you are caught by the police, you run the risk of charges. Consequences vary from cop to cop, speaking from (a lot of) personal experience. So I'm guessing that my neighborhood > yours. You should really move out of it.
Honestly why bother lol. Anyone who considers marijuana addiction qualities to be equal to chocolate is clueless in the most literal sense of the word. I don't understand why on tlnet we can't ever discuss marijuana side effects without certain people getting strangely defensive.
edit; I seriously doubt the smell of marijuana has anything to do with it's legal status, that's just weird.
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On October 22 2012 07:17 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 07:01 FeelReD wrote:
People who throw out arguments like, ppl get fucked up lungs/ get addicted, / they get aggressive. please stfu and read up before u talk. its stupid to see.
in generel , you wont get more addicted to weed, than u do with chocolate. There isnt anything addictive to weed, like there is to cigs. , and you can consume weed in so many ways, you wont believe it.
and people overuse all sorts of stuff. alcohol, cigarettes, computer games ( ye. ive read lots of people who dies/get their kid killed cus of no intenstion to it, because of the parents gaming ) , hell. even candy? people get fat, isnt that their own problem?
should we also illegalise candy because people dont know how to control it?. No because candy and chocolate are less mind altering than weed. You obviously have never had the courage to say "Okay I'm going to stop it forever." because you can't live with the thought of living life, Cannabis-less anymore. And that's addiction. Beside addiction means any other substance that isn't mandatory for one's survival. In that sense, we are all addicted to the internet because we don't really need to survive whereas a certain amount of food, sleep, water, O2 gases the basic necessity of life. Then there are different level of harm done by the addiction which the laws have settle a standard to its harm. But the primary reason why weed isn't legal is because of its smell. Tobacco's smell is way less pungent and scatters more quickly while Alcohol don't exhume scent in the first place. Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 07:16 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 22 2012 07:00 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 06:44 FeUerFlieGe wrote:
Legalization would hurt the distributors and growers of marijuana, but it would also reduce crime. Legalization means to reduce the price from distributors. I think that in Canada, it is somewhat already legalized to a certain extend. You can carry like 3 bags of weed and the most the cops will do to you is to confiscate it and leave it with a warning afterward for smoking in public. But however if you have more than a specific size, charges will be done. You "think". No, it is not legalized in any way in Canada. Most people don't give a shit if you smoke it, but there are some that do, and if they report you, or you are caught by the police, you run the risk of charges. Consequences vary from cop to cop, speaking from (a lot of) personal experience. So I'm guessing that my neighborhood > yours. You should really move out of it.
Hey look, you don't know what you're talking about again! Assumptions and conjecture, that's all you have.
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On October 22 2012 07:20 HackBenjamin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 07:17 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 07:01 FeelReD wrote:
People who throw out arguments like, ppl get fucked up lungs/ get addicted, / they get aggressive. please stfu and read up before u talk. its stupid to see.
in generel , you wont get more addicted to weed, than u do with chocolate. There isnt anything addictive to weed, like there is to cigs. , and you can consume weed in so many ways, you wont believe it.
and people overuse all sorts of stuff. alcohol, cigarettes, computer games ( ye. ive read lots of people who dies/get their kid killed cus of no intenstion to it, because of the parents gaming ) , hell. even candy? people get fat, isnt that their own problem?
should we also illegalise candy because people dont know how to control it?. No because candy and chocolate are less mind altering than weed. You obviously have never had the courage to say "Okay I'm going to stop it forever." because you can't live with the thought of living life, Cannabis-less anymore. And that's addiction. Beside addiction means any other substance that isn't mandatory for one's survival. In that sense, we are all addicted to the internet because we don't really need to survive whereas a certain amount of food, sleep, water, O2 gases the basic necessity of life. Then there are different level of harm done by the addiction which the laws have settle a standard to its harm. But the primary reason why weed isn't legal is because of its smell. Tobacco's smell is way less pungent and scatters more quickly while Alcohol don't exhume scent in the first place. On October 22 2012 07:16 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 22 2012 07:00 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 06:44 FeUerFlieGe wrote:
Legalization would hurt the distributors and growers of marijuana, but it would also reduce crime. Legalization means to reduce the price from distributors. I think that in Canada, it is somewhat already legalized to a certain extend. You can carry like 3 bags of weed and the most the cops will do to you is to confiscate it and leave it with a warning afterward for smoking in public. But however if you have more than a specific size, charges will be done. You "think". No, it is not legalized in any way in Canada. Most people don't give a shit if you smoke it, but there are some that do, and if they report you, or you are caught by the police, you run the risk of charges. Consequences vary from cop to cop, speaking from (a lot of) personal experience. So I'm guessing that my neighborhood > yours. You should really move out of it. Hey look, you don't know what you're talking about again! Assumptions and conjecture, that's all you have.
At least, I'm stick to the topic. You are only using ad homineum for all of your argument. Way to not be a asshole man.
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On October 22 2012 07:20 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 07:17 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 07:01 FeelReD wrote:
People who throw out arguments like, ppl get fucked up lungs/ get addicted, / they get aggressive. please stfu and read up before u talk. its stupid to see.
in generel , you wont get more addicted to weed, than u do with chocolate. There isnt anything addictive to weed, like there is to cigs. , and you can consume weed in so many ways, you wont believe it.
and people overuse all sorts of stuff. alcohol, cigarettes, computer games ( ye. ive read lots of people who dies/get their kid killed cus of no intenstion to it, because of the parents gaming ) , hell. even candy? people get fat, isnt that their own problem?
should we also illegalise candy because people dont know how to control it?. No because candy and chocolate are less mind altering than weed. You obviously have never had the courage to say "Okay I'm going to stop it forever." because you can't live with the thought of living life, Cannabis-less anymore. And that's addiction. Beside addiction means any other substance that isn't mandatory for one's survival. In that sense, we are all addicted to the internet because we don't really need to survive whereas a certain amount of food, sleep, water, O2 gases the basic necessity of life. Then there are different level of harm done by the addiction which the laws have settle a standard to its harm. But the primary reason why weed isn't legal is because of its smell. Tobacco's smell is way less pungent and scatters more quickly while Alcohol don't exhume scent in the first place. On October 22 2012 07:16 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 22 2012 07:00 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 06:44 FeUerFlieGe wrote:
Legalization would hurt the distributors and growers of marijuana, but it would also reduce crime. Legalization means to reduce the price from distributors. I think that in Canada, it is somewhat already legalized to a certain extend. You can carry like 3 bags of weed and the most the cops will do to you is to confiscate it and leave it with a warning afterward for smoking in public. But however if you have more than a specific size, charges will be done. You "think". No, it is not legalized in any way in Canada. Most people don't give a shit if you smoke it, but there are some that do, and if they report you, or you are caught by the police, you run the risk of charges. Consequences vary from cop to cop, speaking from (a lot of) personal experience. So I'm guessing that my neighborhood > yours. You should really move out of it. Honestly why bother lol. Anyone who considers marijuana addiction qualities to be equal to chocolate is clueless in the most literal sense of the word. I don't understand why on tlnet we can't ever discuss marijuana side effects without certain people getting strangely defensive.
Because there is way too much misinformation being spewed. One piece of information that is irrefutable is that marijuana has ZERO addictive qualities. There is no physical dependencies, nor withdrawl symptoms.
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i live in argentina and marijuana use is still criminalized.
There was an almost complete atempt to de-criminalize consumption a few months ago but the legislation (altough the bill was written and re-written in conjunction by many parties) was never treated.
edit: i clarify this because the wiki map is wrong
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On October 22 2012 07:23 HackBenjamin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 07:20 heliusx wrote:On October 22 2012 07:17 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 07:01 FeelReD wrote:
People who throw out arguments like, ppl get fucked up lungs/ get addicted, / they get aggressive. please stfu and read up before u talk. its stupid to see.
in generel , you wont get more addicted to weed, than u do with chocolate. There isnt anything addictive to weed, like there is to cigs. , and you can consume weed in so many ways, you wont believe it.
and people overuse all sorts of stuff. alcohol, cigarettes, computer games ( ye. ive read lots of people who dies/get their kid killed cus of no intenstion to it, because of the parents gaming ) , hell. even candy? people get fat, isnt that their own problem?
should we also illegalise candy because people dont know how to control it?. No because candy and chocolate are less mind altering than weed. You obviously have never had the courage to say "Okay I'm going to stop it forever." because you can't live with the thought of living life, Cannabis-less anymore. And that's addiction. Beside addiction means any other substance that isn't mandatory for one's survival. In that sense, we are all addicted to the internet because we don't really need to survive whereas a certain amount of food, sleep, water, O2 gases the basic necessity of life. Then there are different level of harm done by the addiction which the laws have settle a standard to its harm. But the primary reason why weed isn't legal is because of its smell. Tobacco's smell is way less pungent and scatters more quickly while Alcohol don't exhume scent in the first place. On October 22 2012 07:16 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 22 2012 07:00 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 06:44 FeUerFlieGe wrote:
Legalization would hurt the distributors and growers of marijuana, but it would also reduce crime. Legalization means to reduce the price from distributors. I think that in Canada, it is somewhat already legalized to a certain extend. You can carry like 3 bags of weed and the most the cops will do to you is to confiscate it and leave it with a warning afterward for smoking in public. But however if you have more than a specific size, charges will be done. You "think". No, it is not legalized in any way in Canada. Most people don't give a shit if you smoke it, but there are some that do, and if they report you, or you are caught by the police, you run the risk of charges. Consequences vary from cop to cop, speaking from (a lot of) personal experience. So I'm guessing that my neighborhood > yours. You should really move out of it. Honestly why bother lol. Anyone who considers marijuana addiction qualities to be equal to chocolate is clueless in the most literal sense of the word. I don't understand why on tlnet we can't ever discuss marijuana side effects without certain people getting strangely defensive. Because there is way too much misinformation being spewed. One piece of information that is irrefutable is that marijuana has ZERO addictive qualities. There is no physical dependencies, nor withdrawl symptoms.
Keep toking on that joint for the rest of your life man.
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On October 22 2012 07:12 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 07:01 FeelReD wrote:
People who throw out arguments like, ppl get fucked up lungs/ get addicted, / they get aggressive. please stfu and read up before u talk. its stupid to see.
in generel , you wont get more addicted to weed, than u do with chocolate. There isnt anything addictive to weed, like there is to cigs. , and you can consume weed in so many ways, you wont believe it.
and people overuse all sorts of stuff. alcohol, cigarettes, computer games ( ye. ive read lots of people who dies/get their kid killed cus of no intenstion to it, because of the parents gaming ) , hell. even candy? people get fat, isnt that their own problem?
should we also illegalise candy because people dont know how to control it?. I'm kind of at a lost for what exactly you are saying. Anyway I haven't really seen anyone with a decent argument against legalization in this thread. What I have seen in this thread though are a few people trying to further the cause of legalization through blatant misinformation, and that is why you are seeing a few people playing devils advocate. Legalization will not happen through making up bullshit about there being no harm to using marijuana. What will help our cause for legalization is looking at the scientific facts of the substance and better understanding where the risks come from. So instead of saying "lol u so stupid marijuana doesn't hurt your lungs". You could say "smoking anything will cause damage but through vaporization and edibles you can alleviate the damage and safely consume marijuana".
Thanks, that's the level we should debate on to be taken seriously. Let me put it like this: "We" know, we are right and can back it up. No need for exaggeration!
The enemies of legalization are due to prestent something backing up their opinion. All their studies are useless and everything they say is propaganda. You don't see them speaking up their opinion because they are getting destroyed in every debate. Let's hope logic and sense will prevail in the end.
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On October 22 2012 07:25 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 07:23 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 22 2012 07:20 heliusx wrote:On October 22 2012 07:17 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 07:01 FeelReD wrote:
People who throw out arguments like, ppl get fucked up lungs/ get addicted, / they get aggressive. please stfu and read up before u talk. its stupid to see.
in generel , you wont get more addicted to weed, than u do with chocolate. There isnt anything addictive to weed, like there is to cigs. , and you can consume weed in so many ways, you wont believe it.
and people overuse all sorts of stuff. alcohol, cigarettes, computer games ( ye. ive read lots of people who dies/get their kid killed cus of no intenstion to it, because of the parents gaming ) , hell. even candy? people get fat, isnt that their own problem?
should we also illegalise candy because people dont know how to control it?. No because candy and chocolate are less mind altering than weed. You obviously have never had the courage to say "Okay I'm going to stop it forever." because you can't live with the thought of living life, Cannabis-less anymore. And that's addiction. Beside addiction means any other substance that isn't mandatory for one's survival. In that sense, we are all addicted to the internet because we don't really need to survive whereas a certain amount of food, sleep, water, O2 gases the basic necessity of life. Then there are different level of harm done by the addiction which the laws have settle a standard to its harm. But the primary reason why weed isn't legal is because of its smell. Tobacco's smell is way less pungent and scatters more quickly while Alcohol don't exhume scent in the first place. On October 22 2012 07:16 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 22 2012 07:00 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 06:44 FeUerFlieGe wrote:
Legalization would hurt the distributors and growers of marijuana, but it would also reduce crime. Legalization means to reduce the price from distributors. I think that in Canada, it is somewhat already legalized to a certain extend. You can carry like 3 bags of weed and the most the cops will do to you is to confiscate it and leave it with a warning afterward for smoking in public. But however if you have more than a specific size, charges will be done. You "think". No, it is not legalized in any way in Canada. Most people don't give a shit if you smoke it, but there are some that do, and if they report you, or you are caught by the police, you run the risk of charges. Consequences vary from cop to cop, speaking from (a lot of) personal experience. So I'm guessing that my neighborhood > yours. You should really move out of it. Honestly why bother lol. Anyone who considers marijuana addiction qualities to be equal to chocolate is clueless in the most literal sense of the word. I don't understand why on tlnet we can't ever discuss marijuana side effects without certain people getting strangely defensive. Because there is way too much misinformation being spewed. One piece of information that is irrefutable is that marijuana has ZERO addictive qualities. There is no physical dependencies, nor withdrawl symptoms. Keep toking on that joint for the rest of your life man.
I will, and I do it by my personal choice, not because of any kind of dependency. I prefer the vaporizer, but I'm not really picky.
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On October 22 2012 07:27 HackBenjamin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 07:25 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 07:23 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 22 2012 07:20 heliusx wrote:On October 22 2012 07:17 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 07:01 FeelReD wrote:
People who throw out arguments like, ppl get fucked up lungs/ get addicted, / they get aggressive. please stfu and read up before u talk. its stupid to see.
in generel , you wont get more addicted to weed, than u do with chocolate. There isnt anything addictive to weed, like there is to cigs. , and you can consume weed in so many ways, you wont believe it.
and people overuse all sorts of stuff. alcohol, cigarettes, computer games ( ye. ive read lots of people who dies/get their kid killed cus of no intenstion to it, because of the parents gaming ) , hell. even candy? people get fat, isnt that their own problem?
should we also illegalise candy because people dont know how to control it?. No because candy and chocolate are less mind altering than weed. You obviously have never had the courage to say "Okay I'm going to stop it forever." because you can't live with the thought of living life, Cannabis-less anymore. And that's addiction. Beside addiction means any other substance that isn't mandatory for one's survival. In that sense, we are all addicted to the internet because we don't really need to survive whereas a certain amount of food, sleep, water, O2 gases the basic necessity of life. Then there are different level of harm done by the addiction which the laws have settle a standard to its harm. But the primary reason why weed isn't legal is because of its smell. Tobacco's smell is way less pungent and scatters more quickly while Alcohol don't exhume scent in the first place. On October 22 2012 07:16 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 22 2012 07:00 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 06:44 FeUerFlieGe wrote:
Legalization would hurt the distributors and growers of marijuana, but it would also reduce crime. Legalization means to reduce the price from distributors. I think that in Canada, it is somewhat already legalized to a certain extend. You can carry like 3 bags of weed and the most the cops will do to you is to confiscate it and leave it with a warning afterward for smoking in public. But however if you have more than a specific size, charges will be done. You "think". No, it is not legalized in any way in Canada. Most people don't give a shit if you smoke it, but there are some that do, and if they report you, or you are caught by the police, you run the risk of charges. Consequences vary from cop to cop, speaking from (a lot of) personal experience. So I'm guessing that my neighborhood > yours. You should really move out of it. Honestly why bother lol. Anyone who considers marijuana addiction qualities to be equal to chocolate is clueless in the most literal sense of the word. I don't understand why on tlnet we can't ever discuss marijuana side effects without certain people getting strangely defensive. Because there is way too much misinformation being spewed. One piece of information that is irrefutable is that marijuana has ZERO addictive qualities. There is no physical dependencies, nor withdrawl symptoms. Keep toking on that joint for the rest of your life man. I will, and I do it by my personal choice, not because of any kind of dependency. I prefer the vaporizer, but I'm not really picky.
I LOL'd. Thank you for the grin on my face. Keep running on that hamster wheel.
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On October 22 2012 07:23 HackBenjamin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 07:20 heliusx wrote:On October 22 2012 07:17 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 07:01 FeelReD wrote:
People who throw out arguments like, ppl get fucked up lungs/ get addicted, / they get aggressive. please stfu and read up before u talk. its stupid to see.
in generel , you wont get more addicted to weed, than u do with chocolate. There isnt anything addictive to weed, like there is to cigs. , and you can consume weed in so many ways, you wont believe it.
and people overuse all sorts of stuff. alcohol, cigarettes, computer games ( ye. ive read lots of people who dies/get their kid killed cus of no intenstion to it, because of the parents gaming ) , hell. even candy? people get fat, isnt that their own problem?
should we also illegalise candy because people dont know how to control it?. No because candy and chocolate are less mind altering than weed. You obviously have never had the courage to say "Okay I'm going to stop it forever." because you can't live with the thought of living life, Cannabis-less anymore. And that's addiction. Beside addiction means any other substance that isn't mandatory for one's survival. In that sense, we are all addicted to the internet because we don't really need to survive whereas a certain amount of food, sleep, water, O2 gases the basic necessity of life. Then there are different level of harm done by the addiction which the laws have settle a standard to its harm. But the primary reason why weed isn't legal is because of its smell. Tobacco's smell is way less pungent and scatters more quickly while Alcohol don't exhume scent in the first place. On October 22 2012 07:16 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 22 2012 07:00 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 06:44 FeUerFlieGe wrote:
Legalization would hurt the distributors and growers of marijuana, but it would also reduce crime. Legalization means to reduce the price from distributors. I think that in Canada, it is somewhat already legalized to a certain extend. You can carry like 3 bags of weed and the most the cops will do to you is to confiscate it and leave it with a warning afterward for smoking in public. But however if you have more than a specific size, charges will be done. You "think". No, it is not legalized in any way in Canada. Most people don't give a shit if you smoke it, but there are some that do, and if they report you, or you are caught by the police, you run the risk of charges. Consequences vary from cop to cop, speaking from (a lot of) personal experience. So I'm guessing that my neighborhood > yours. You should really move out of it. Honestly why bother lol. Anyone who considers marijuana addiction qualities to be equal to chocolate is clueless in the most literal sense of the word. I don't understand why on tlnet we can't ever discuss marijuana side effects without certain people getting strangely defensive. Because there is way too much misinformation being spewed. One piece of information that is irrefutable is that marijuana has ZERO addictive qualities. There is no physical dependencies, nor withdrawl symptoms.
You're so wrong it hurts. The American Psychiatric Association DSM4 manual specifically defines cannabis dependence. There ARE COUNTLESS documents which also claim the same. Hell in my personal experience as well as many other people I've had all kinds of symptoms linked to my cessation of very heavy use of cannabis. Just because your personal experience doesn't mimic reality proves nothing.
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On October 22 2012 07:29 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 07:23 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 22 2012 07:20 heliusx wrote:On October 22 2012 07:17 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 07:01 FeelReD wrote:
People who throw out arguments like, ppl get fucked up lungs/ get addicted, / they get aggressive. please stfu and read up before u talk. its stupid to see.
in generel , you wont get more addicted to weed, than u do with chocolate. There isnt anything addictive to weed, like there is to cigs. , and you can consume weed in so many ways, you wont believe it.
and people overuse all sorts of stuff. alcohol, cigarettes, computer games ( ye. ive read lots of people who dies/get their kid killed cus of no intenstion to it, because of the parents gaming ) , hell. even candy? people get fat, isnt that their own problem?
should we also illegalise candy because people dont know how to control it?. No because candy and chocolate are less mind altering than weed. You obviously have never had the courage to say "Okay I'm going to stop it forever." because you can't live with the thought of living life, Cannabis-less anymore. And that's addiction. Beside addiction means any other substance that isn't mandatory for one's survival. In that sense, we are all addicted to the internet because we don't really need to survive whereas a certain amount of food, sleep, water, O2 gases the basic necessity of life. Then there are different level of harm done by the addiction which the laws have settle a standard to its harm. But the primary reason why weed isn't legal is because of its smell. Tobacco's smell is way less pungent and scatters more quickly while Alcohol don't exhume scent in the first place. On October 22 2012 07:16 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 22 2012 07:00 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 06:44 FeUerFlieGe wrote:
Legalization would hurt the distributors and growers of marijuana, but it would also reduce crime. Legalization means to reduce the price from distributors. I think that in Canada, it is somewhat already legalized to a certain extend. You can carry like 3 bags of weed and the most the cops will do to you is to confiscate it and leave it with a warning afterward for smoking in public. But however if you have more than a specific size, charges will be done. You "think". No, it is not legalized in any way in Canada. Most people don't give a shit if you smoke it, but there are some that do, and if they report you, or you are caught by the police, you run the risk of charges. Consequences vary from cop to cop, speaking from (a lot of) personal experience. So I'm guessing that my neighborhood > yours. You should really move out of it. Honestly why bother lol. Anyone who considers marijuana addiction qualities to be equal to chocolate is clueless in the most literal sense of the word. I don't understand why on tlnet we can't ever discuss marijuana side effects without certain people getting strangely defensive. Because there is way too much misinformation being spewed. One piece of information that is irrefutable is that marijuana has ZERO addictive qualities. There is no physical dependencies, nor withdrawl symptoms. You're so wrong it hurts. The American Psychiatric Association DMV4 manual specifically defines cannabis dependence. There ARE COUNTLESS documents which also claim the same. Hell in my personal experience as well as many other people I've had all kinds of symptoms linked to my cessation of very heavy use of cannabis. Just because your personal experience doesn't mimic reality proves nothing.
There is no physical dependencies, nor physical withdrawl symptoms
I should have worded that better, fixed now. The symptoms you are referring to are what exactly?
And I'm not really interested in what the American Psychiatric Association has to say. Anyone taking kickbacks and bribes from pharmaceutical companies doesn't rate very highly on my list of "Organizations to take seriously".
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On October 22 2012 07:28 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 07:27 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 22 2012 07:25 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 07:23 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 22 2012 07:20 heliusx wrote:On October 22 2012 07:17 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 07:01 FeelReD wrote:
People who throw out arguments like, ppl get fucked up lungs/ get addicted, / they get aggressive. please stfu and read up before u talk. its stupid to see.
in generel , you wont get more addicted to weed, than u do with chocolate. There isnt anything addictive to weed, like there is to cigs. , and you can consume weed in so many ways, you wont believe it.
and people overuse all sorts of stuff. alcohol, cigarettes, computer games ( ye. ive read lots of people who dies/get their kid killed cus of no intenstion to it, because of the parents gaming ) , hell. even candy? people get fat, isnt that their own problem?
should we also illegalise candy because people dont know how to control it?. No because candy and chocolate are less mind altering than weed. You obviously have never had the courage to say "Okay I'm going to stop it forever." because you can't live with the thought of living life, Cannabis-less anymore. And that's addiction. Beside addiction means any other substance that isn't mandatory for one's survival. In that sense, we are all addicted to the internet because we don't really need to survive whereas a certain amount of food, sleep, water, O2 gases the basic necessity of life. Then there are different level of harm done by the addiction which the laws have settle a standard to its harm. But the primary reason why weed isn't legal is because of its smell. Tobacco's smell is way less pungent and scatters more quickly while Alcohol don't exhume scent in the first place. On October 22 2012 07:16 HackBenjamin wrote:On October 22 2012 07:00 Xiphos wrote:On October 22 2012 06:44 FeUerFlieGe wrote:
Legalization would hurt the distributors and growers of marijuana, but it would also reduce crime. Legalization means to reduce the price from distributors. I think that in Canada, it is somewhat already legalized to a certain extend. You can carry like 3 bags of weed and the most the cops will do to you is to confiscate it and leave it with a warning afterward for smoking in public. But however if you have more than a specific size, charges will be done. You "think". No, it is not legalized in any way in Canada. Most people don't give a shit if you smoke it, but there are some that do, and if they report you, or you are caught by the police, you run the risk of charges. Consequences vary from cop to cop, speaking from (a lot of) personal experience. So I'm guessing that my neighborhood > yours. You should really move out of it. Honestly why bother lol. Anyone who considers marijuana addiction qualities to be equal to chocolate is clueless in the most literal sense of the word. I don't understand why on tlnet we can't ever discuss marijuana side effects without certain people getting strangely defensive. Because there is way too much misinformation being spewed. One piece of information that is irrefutable is that marijuana has ZERO addictive qualities. There is no physical dependencies, nor withdrawl symptoms. Keep toking on that joint for the rest of your life man. I will, and I do it by my personal choice, not because of any kind of dependency. I prefer the vaporizer, but I'm not really picky. I LOL'd. Thank you for the grin on my face. Keep running on that hamster wheel.
Do you drink alcohol? You better don't or you are a hypocrite. There's more people around who smoke weed and lead a normal productive life than hopeless stoner kids you seem to have in mind, let me assure you. It's just they are not all in your face about it because of guess what!?
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