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FuzZyLogic
Profile Joined December 2010
United States141 Posts
October 21 2012 18:59 GMT
#141
On October 22 2012 03:42 Arkless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2012 03:25 FuzZyLogic wrote:
On October 21 2012 21:11 Arkless wrote:
On October 21 2012 20:30 Probe1 wrote:
I think there is a case to be made that it contains more carcinogens but nicotine binds with receptors while cannabinoids do not which directly increases the amount of carcinogens absorbed and RR of lung cancer. So you could qualify an erroneous statement that cannabis contains more carcinogens however you'd still be wrong if you were trying to argue cancer rates.

Of course there are not enough studies and almost no long term studies. Which makes it a difficult thing to argue definitively for either side.

I agree with you, cannabis is less harmful than tobacco.



Show me the science then, because I have never seen anything to suggest that marijuana contains more carcinogens than a cigg.

And no, I'm not wrong. No one has gotten cancer from Marijuana consumption alone, ever. Please either show us some hard science, or stop speculating.

Watch a doc called "The Union" if you'd like some more of your fallacy's debunked. You'd be surprised what old wives tales that would be put to rest for ya in the first 10 minutes.

Weed does increase cancer risk albeit not nearly as much as tobacco. People have DEFINITELY gotten lung cancer from weed alone although it's very difficult to tell since many potheads also smoke cigs.



Umm no, never not once. Dont leave comments if you're just gonna talk out your ass

Can you show me the studies that say this? There's multiple studies in the OP that say it increases lung cancer risk.
Immaterial
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada510 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-21 19:26:08
October 21 2012 19:10 GMT
#142
I think its important to note that marijuana was first made illegal in the united states when, in 1937, Harry J Anslinger testified before congress that cannabis would "cause white women to seek relationships with Negros." So cannabis prohibition was founded on racism and continues to be one of its tools. Just about an equal number of blacks and whites smoke cannabis in the US and yet far, far more blacks are booked for possession each year. Its absurd and it has to stop.

As for the legalization debate, I think most rational people will come to the same conclusion. Prohibition causes more harm than the drug itself. Most arguments against legalization are of the obnoxious, anecdotal "It totally wrecked my friendz life breh," type. The point is a lazy shithead will be a lazy shithead with our without marijuana. Likewise, a motivated intelligent person will generally continue to be motivated and intelligent after using Cannabis.

People will inevitably bring up the recent IQ study as proof of marijuana's insidious harm to the human brain. I haven't looked into the study much tbh, but just for good measure people who's brains are still developing should probably steer clear of marijuana use until they're older. For those who will say that legal cannabis would mean easier access for young people, let me raise this question: is it easier for a 15 year old today to buy cannabis or alcohol? Its far easier to buy cannabis because drug dealers don't check ID. Also, as everyone already knows, Correlation != Causation.

The justice department's continued crackdown on medical marijuana is profoundly unjust. As a person who has benefited tremendously from the medicinal use of marijuana in the past, it makes me sick to my stomach to know that cancer patients, people suffering from MS, etc are being deprived by the government of their medicine. Obviously there are people who have a med card just because they want to smoke cannabis for recreational purposes, but honestly I don't really mind that so much. It does make the medical system look a tad silly though.

EDIT: For everyone bickering about the components of marijuana smoke itself take a look at this http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_info3.shtml should clarify pretty well.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
Immaterial
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada510 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-21 19:22:23
October 21 2012 19:18 GMT
#143
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 22 2012 03:59 FuzZyLogic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2012 03:42 Arkless wrote:
On October 22 2012 03:25 FuzZyLogic wrote:
On October 21 2012 21:11 Arkless wrote:
On October 21 2012 20:30 Probe1 wrote:
I think there is a case to be made that it contains more carcinogens but nicotine binds with receptors while cannabinoids do not which directly increases the amount of carcinogens absorbed and RR of lung cancer. So you could qualify an erroneous statement that cannabis contains more carcinogens however you'd still be wrong if you were trying to argue cancer rates.

Of course there are not enough studies and almost no long term studies. Which makes it a difficult thing to argue definitively for either side.

I agree with you, cannabis is less harmful than tobacco.



Show me the science then, because I have never seen anything to suggest that marijuana contains more carcinogens than a cigg.

And no, I'm not wrong. No one has gotten cancer from Marijuana consumption alone, ever. Please either show us some hard science, or stop speculating.

Watch a doc called "The Union" if you'd like some more of your fallacy's debunked. You'd be surprised what old wives tales that would be put to rest for ya in the first 10 minutes.

Weed does increase cancer risk albeit not nearly as much as tobacco. People have DEFINITELY gotten lung cancer from weed alone although it's very difficult to tell since many potheads also smoke cigs.



Umm no, never not once. Dont leave comments if you're just gonna talk out your ass

Can you show me the studies that say this? There's multiple studies in the OP that say it increases lung cancer risk.


http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=large-study-finds-no-link (Not a direct link to the study but close enough)
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070417193338.htm (harvard study showing cannabis actually cuts tumor growth in the lungs IN HALF)
http://www.ersj.org.uk/content/31/2/280.short (conflicting study showing that there is a correlation after all.)
http://journals.lww.com/jto/Abstract/2008/12000/Cannabis_Smoking_and_Risk_of_Lung_Cancer_in_Men__A.7.aspx (another study showing somewhat of a correlation)
http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1477-7517-2-21.pdf (cannabis/tobacco smoke not equally carcinogenic)

There are a lot more studies I'm sure but this is at least a start.

Its important to note that the future of medical cannabis lies in vaporization which entirely eliminates any risk of lung damage...
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
Shocae
Profile Joined August 2010
United States141 Posts
October 21 2012 19:24 GMT
#144
Legalize. Both alcohol and tobacco have far worse health effects yet are legal in most countries. It's not about health.
lolsamplesize
TapetalKarma
Profile Joined May 2011
United States127 Posts
October 21 2012 19:28 GMT
#145
pot can harm us
however in moderation its fine
people who thinks its perfectly safe for your lungs.. i got news for you its not. ive smoked for well over 15 years (pot never cigs) and i cough up black shit daily
but its a risk i knew i was taking. just like people who smoke cigs know it can harm them
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5710 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-21 19:37:25
October 21 2012 19:34 GMT
#146
Legalize with the same restrictions we have on drinking. No driving, no heavy machinery, etc

As what to do with the smoke, treat them like cigerettes imo.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
Immaterial
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada510 Posts
October 21 2012 19:35 GMT
#147
On October 22 2012 04:28 TapetalKarma wrote:
pot can harm us
however in moderation its fine
people who thinks its perfectly safe for your lungs.. i got news for you its not. ive smoked for well over 15 years (pot never cigs) and i cough up black shit daily
but its a risk i knew i was taking. just like people who smoke cigs know it can harm them


You're certainly correct, smoking cannabis is -not- good for your lungs. However, the fact that you're coughing up black is, in a way, a good thing. Cigarette smokers will rarely cough up the tar that fills their lungs, whereas the broncho dilation of THC causes marijuana smokers' lungs to cleanse themselves more readily. That is my understanding at least.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
Arkless
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1547 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-21 19:49:54
October 21 2012 19:35 GMT
#148
On October 22 2012 03:59 FuzZyLogic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2012 03:42 Arkless wrote:
On October 22 2012 03:25 FuzZyLogic wrote:
On October 21 2012 21:11 Arkless wrote:
On October 21 2012 20:30 Probe1 wrote:
I think there is a case to be made that it contains more carcinogens but nicotine binds with receptors while cannabinoids do not which directly increases the amount of carcinogens absorbed and RR of lung cancer. So you could qualify an erroneous statement that cannabis contains more carcinogens however you'd still be wrong if you were trying to argue cancer rates.

Of course there are not enough studies and almost no long term studies. Which makes it a difficult thing to argue definitively for either side.

I agree with you, cannabis is less harmful than tobacco.



Show me the science then, because I have never seen anything to suggest that marijuana contains more carcinogens than a cigg.

And no, I'm not wrong. No one has gotten cancer from Marijuana consumption alone, ever. Please either show us some hard science, or stop speculating.

Watch a doc called "The Union" if you'd like some more of your fallacy's debunked. You'd be surprised what old wives tales that would be put to rest for ya in the first 10 minutes.

Weed does increase cancer risk albeit not nearly as much as tobacco. People have DEFINITELY gotten lung cancer from weed alone although it's very difficult to tell since many potheads also smoke cigs.



Umm no, never not once. Dont leave comments if you're just gonna talk out your ass

Can you show me the studies that say this? There's multiple studies in the OP that say it increases lung cancer risk.

I never said that, i said show me where weed alone gives u lung cancer. Because no, it never has. Google it. I tried googling lung cancer from cannabis alone, nothing.

Usually, when someone (you) spews un sourced rhetoric, and gets called on it (By me) You are the one who is suppose to link a source. Not asking me to link a source to something, refuting what you neglect to source to begin with.

TL.net....... it's a viscous circle....Sigh, just type this into google
"Mairjuana linked to lung cancer"

From result #1
In 2006, many of us in medicine were shocked when a review of research to date did not show an increase in lung cancer related to marijuana use. There was even a suggestion that marijuana had a protective effect against lung cancer.


http://lungcancer.about.com/od/causesoflungcance1/f/marijuana.htm

shall we continue? Ok
http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/05/24/18122.aspx
http://healthland.time.com/2012/01/10/study-smoking-marijuana-not-linked-with-lung-damage/
http://news.yahoo.com/marijuana-doesnt-harm-lung-function-study-found-210146886.html
http://www.mixcloud.com/Arkless/ http://www.soundcloud.com/Arkless
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
October 21 2012 19:41 GMT
#149
On October 21 2012 18:34 Le Cheque Zo wrote:
Illegal.

It has harmful health effects (smoke and lung) and people on drugs become irrational and unnecessarily aggressive.

This is a completely uninformed opinion,marijuana has the exact opposite effect of making people aggressive.
Cackle™
heliusx
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States2306 Posts
October 21 2012 19:42 GMT
#150
On October 22 2012 04:35 Arkless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2012 03:59 FuzZyLogic wrote:
On October 22 2012 03:42 Arkless wrote:
On October 22 2012 03:25 FuzZyLogic wrote:
On October 21 2012 21:11 Arkless wrote:
On October 21 2012 20:30 Probe1 wrote:
I think there is a case to be made that it contains more carcinogens but nicotine binds with receptors while cannabinoids do not which directly increases the amount of carcinogens absorbed and RR of lung cancer. So you could qualify an erroneous statement that cannabis contains more carcinogens however you'd still be wrong if you were trying to argue cancer rates.

Of course there are not enough studies and almost no long term studies. Which makes it a difficult thing to argue definitively for either side.

I agree with you, cannabis is less harmful than tobacco.



Show me the science then, because I have never seen anything to suggest that marijuana contains more carcinogens than a cigg.

And no, I'm not wrong. No one has gotten cancer from Marijuana consumption alone, ever. Please either show us some hard science, or stop speculating.

Watch a doc called "The Union" if you'd like some more of your fallacy's debunked. You'd be surprised what old wives tales that would be put to rest for ya in the first 10 minutes.

Weed does increase cancer risk albeit not nearly as much as tobacco. People have DEFINITELY gotten lung cancer from weed alone although it's very difficult to tell since many potheads also smoke cigs.



Umm no, never not once. Dont leave comments if you're just gonna talk out your ass

Can you show me the studies that say this? There's multiple studies in the OP that say it increases lung cancer risk.

I never said that, i said show me where weed alone gives u lung cancer. Because no, it never has. Google it. I tried googling lung cancer from cannabis alone, nothing.


You're being deliberately vague. No one is saying using marijuana in responsible ways will cause cancer (vape or eating). Smoking any substance creates carcinogens which are linked to cancer. If I am mistaken and you are in fact claiming smoking marijuana has no link to cancer you are sorely mistaken.
dude bro.
r00ty
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1050 Posts
October 21 2012 19:44 GMT
#151
On October 22 2012 03:59 FuzZyLogic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2012 03:42 Arkless wrote:
On October 22 2012 03:25 FuzZyLogic wrote:
On October 21 2012 21:11 Arkless wrote:
On October 21 2012 20:30 Probe1 wrote:
I think there is a case to be made that it contains more carcinogens but nicotine binds with receptors while cannabinoids do not which directly increases the amount of carcinogens absorbed and RR of lung cancer. So you could qualify an erroneous statement that cannabis contains more carcinogens however you'd still be wrong if you were trying to argue cancer rates.

Of course there are not enough studies and almost no long term studies. Which makes it a difficult thing to argue definitively for either side.

I agree with you, cannabis is less harmful than tobacco.



Show me the science then, because I have never seen anything to suggest that marijuana contains more carcinogens than a cigg.

And no, I'm not wrong. No one has gotten cancer from Marijuana consumption alone, ever. Please either show us some hard science, or stop speculating.

Watch a doc called "The Union" if you'd like some more of your fallacy's debunked. You'd be surprised what old wives tales that would be put to rest for ya in the first 10 minutes.

Weed does increase cancer risk albeit not nearly as much as tobacco. People have DEFINITELY gotten lung cancer from weed alone although it's very difficult to tell since many potheads also smoke cigs.



Umm no, never not once. Dont leave comments if you're just gonna talk out your ass

Can you show me the studies that say this? There's multiple studies in the OP that say it increases lung cancer risk.


Smoking any plant material (well basically anything) is bad for your lungs and increases your lung cancer risk. Period. Weed is just far less dangerous than tobacco or rather industrial cigarettes with all their additives.

IMO:
Legalize. Educate! Use the money saved (prosecution) and earned through taxes. ... Profit.
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
October 21 2012 19:45 GMT
#152
On October 22 2012 03:23 SchOOl_VicTIm wrote:
As for addiction, to put it simply, the only way one gets addicted to marijuana is the exact same as one gets addicted to Starcraft; which therefore should be (??) criminalized/illegal too


There is a different level of addiction.

Addiction is simply getting hooked on anything that is not absolutely mandatory for survival. That means excessive calorie in take in food, logging on the internet, doing anything that is not related to breathing, eating the right amount.

Yeah if you can't live without starcraft, then you are addicted to it. But some addictions are more harmful than others. Marijuana have withdrawal effect, albeit pale in comparison to harder drugs, it is still much more than what StarCraft have to offer.

The withdrawals are that you will be losing sleep because of paranoia, your brain neurons won't run as smoothly anymore therefore you will feel more tired than usual. You will get involuntary highs at time so your memory will get screwed over. You will eat more than you are suppose to do due to munchies. So when you get off from it, your stomach will not respond to appettite as much and mess up your calorie-intake routines. And most importantly, you won't be thinking as lucid as before.

Those are facts that will be detrimental to one's health after high daily intake of the substance and will take as much as one year so that your brain and body function correctly.

So guys, don't fucking abuse it. Don't do it regularly and don't pull out your statistics from pre 2000 studies as weed these days are much more dense than before, they have labs to genetically change this shit.

Respect mother nature.
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Arkless
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1547 Posts
October 21 2012 19:47 GMT
#153
On October 22 2012 04:42 heliusx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2012 04:35 Arkless wrote:
On October 22 2012 03:59 FuzZyLogic wrote:
On October 22 2012 03:42 Arkless wrote:
On October 22 2012 03:25 FuzZyLogic wrote:
On October 21 2012 21:11 Arkless wrote:
On October 21 2012 20:30 Probe1 wrote:
I think there is a case to be made that it contains more carcinogens but nicotine binds with receptors while cannabinoids do not which directly increases the amount of carcinogens absorbed and RR of lung cancer. So you could qualify an erroneous statement that cannabis contains more carcinogens however you'd still be wrong if you were trying to argue cancer rates.

Of course there are not enough studies and almost no long term studies. Which makes it a difficult thing to argue definitively for either side.

I agree with you, cannabis is less harmful than tobacco.



Show me the science then, because I have never seen anything to suggest that marijuana contains more carcinogens than a cigg.

And no, I'm not wrong. No one has gotten cancer from Marijuana consumption alone, ever. Please either show us some hard science, or stop speculating.

Watch a doc called "The Union" if you'd like some more of your fallacy's debunked. You'd be surprised what old wives tales that would be put to rest for ya in the first 10 minutes.

Weed does increase cancer risk albeit not nearly as much as tobacco. People have DEFINITELY gotten lung cancer from weed alone although it's very difficult to tell since many potheads also smoke cigs.



Umm no, never not once. Dont leave comments if you're just gonna talk out your ass

Can you show me the studies that say this? There's multiple studies in the OP that say it increases lung cancer risk.

I never said that, i said show me where weed alone gives u lung cancer. Because no, it never has. Google it. I tried googling lung cancer from cannabis alone, nothing.


You're being deliberately vague. No one is saying using marijuana in responsible ways will cause cancer (vape or eating). Smoking any substance creates carcinogens which are linked to cancer. If I am mistaken and you are in fact claiming smoking marijuana has no link to cancer you are sorely mistaken.



No I'm not, I did just update my OP. But once again, I'm saying. Marijuana-cancer. Hard science. Nothing with "May/Might/Could" in the title please. Marijuana-lung cancer. Ok someone else's turn, i'll check back in later.
http://www.mixcloud.com/Arkless/ http://www.soundcloud.com/Arkless
heliusx
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States2306 Posts
October 21 2012 19:49 GMT
#154
On October 22 2012 04:47 Arkless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2012 04:42 heliusx wrote:
On October 22 2012 04:35 Arkless wrote:
On October 22 2012 03:59 FuzZyLogic wrote:
On October 22 2012 03:42 Arkless wrote:
On October 22 2012 03:25 FuzZyLogic wrote:
On October 21 2012 21:11 Arkless wrote:
On October 21 2012 20:30 Probe1 wrote:
I think there is a case to be made that it contains more carcinogens but nicotine binds with receptors while cannabinoids do not which directly increases the amount of carcinogens absorbed and RR of lung cancer. So you could qualify an erroneous statement that cannabis contains more carcinogens however you'd still be wrong if you were trying to argue cancer rates.

Of course there are not enough studies and almost no long term studies. Which makes it a difficult thing to argue definitively for either side.

I agree with you, cannabis is less harmful than tobacco.



Show me the science then, because I have never seen anything to suggest that marijuana contains more carcinogens than a cigg.

And no, I'm not wrong. No one has gotten cancer from Marijuana consumption alone, ever. Please either show us some hard science, or stop speculating.

Watch a doc called "The Union" if you'd like some more of your fallacy's debunked. You'd be surprised what old wives tales that would be put to rest for ya in the first 10 minutes.

Weed does increase cancer risk albeit not nearly as much as tobacco. People have DEFINITELY gotten lung cancer from weed alone although it's very difficult to tell since many potheads also smoke cigs.



Umm no, never not once. Dont leave comments if you're just gonna talk out your ass

Can you show me the studies that say this? There's multiple studies in the OP that say it increases lung cancer risk.

I never said that, i said show me where weed alone gives u lung cancer. Because no, it never has. Google it. I tried googling lung cancer from cannabis alone, nothing.


You're being deliberately vague. No one is saying using marijuana in responsible ways will cause cancer (vape or eating). Smoking any substance creates carcinogens which are linked to cancer. If I am mistaken and you are in fact claiming smoking marijuana has no link to cancer you are sorely mistaken.



No I'm not, I did just update my OP. But once again, I'm saying. Marijuana-cancer. Hard science. Nothing with "May/Might/Could" in the title please. Marijuana-lung cancer. Ok someone else's turn, i'll check back in later.


I read through this article from pubmed last time this was brought up, you should too because you're completely incorrect if in fact you are saying smoking marijuana doesn't cause cancer. Which of course you REFUSE to clarify.

http://erj.ersjournals.com/content/31/2/280.long
dude bro.
GnarlyArbitrage
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
575 Posts
October 21 2012 19:53 GMT
#155
On October 22 2012 04:44 r00ty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2012 03:59 FuzZyLogic wrote:
On October 22 2012 03:42 Arkless wrote:
On October 22 2012 03:25 FuzZyLogic wrote:
On October 21 2012 21:11 Arkless wrote:
On October 21 2012 20:30 Probe1 wrote:
I think there is a case to be made that it contains more carcinogens but nicotine binds with receptors while cannabinoids do not which directly increases the amount of carcinogens absorbed and RR of lung cancer. So you could qualify an erroneous statement that cannabis contains more carcinogens however you'd still be wrong if you were trying to argue cancer rates.

Of course there are not enough studies and almost no long term studies. Which makes it a difficult thing to argue definitively for either side.

I agree with you, cannabis is less harmful than tobacco.



Show me the science then, because I have never seen anything to suggest that marijuana contains more carcinogens than a cigg.

And no, I'm not wrong. No one has gotten cancer from Marijuana consumption alone, ever. Please either show us some hard science, or stop speculating.

Watch a doc called "The Union" if you'd like some more of your fallacy's debunked. You'd be surprised what old wives tales that would be put to rest for ya in the first 10 minutes.

Weed does increase cancer risk albeit not nearly as much as tobacco. People have DEFINITELY gotten lung cancer from weed alone although it's very difficult to tell since many potheads also smoke cigs.



Umm no, never not once. Dont leave comments if you're just gonna talk out your ass

Can you show me the studies that say this? There's multiple studies in the OP that say it increases lung cancer risk.


Smoking any plant material (well basically anything) is bad for your lungs and increases your lung cancer risk. Period. Weed is just far less dangerous than tobacco or rather industrial cigarettes with all their additives.

IMO:
Legalize. Educate! Use the money saved (prosecution) and earned through taxes. ... Profit.



You can cut the smoke by vaporizing, baking, or extracting the THC into a pill! I just hope people actually know about this...
Arkless
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1547 Posts
October 21 2012 19:54 GMT
#156
On October 22 2012 04:49 heliusx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2012 04:47 Arkless wrote:
On October 22 2012 04:42 heliusx wrote:
On October 22 2012 04:35 Arkless wrote:
On October 22 2012 03:59 FuzZyLogic wrote:
On October 22 2012 03:42 Arkless wrote:
On October 22 2012 03:25 FuzZyLogic wrote:
On October 21 2012 21:11 Arkless wrote:
On October 21 2012 20:30 Probe1 wrote:
I think there is a case to be made that it contains more carcinogens but nicotine binds with receptors while cannabinoids do not which directly increases the amount of carcinogens absorbed and RR of lung cancer. So you could qualify an erroneous statement that cannabis contains more carcinogens however you'd still be wrong if you were trying to argue cancer rates.

Of course there are not enough studies and almost no long term studies. Which makes it a difficult thing to argue definitively for either side.

I agree with you, cannabis is less harmful than tobacco.



Show me the science then, because I have never seen anything to suggest that marijuana contains more carcinogens than a cigg.

And no, I'm not wrong. No one has gotten cancer from Marijuana consumption alone, ever. Please either show us some hard science, or stop speculating.

Watch a doc called "The Union" if you'd like some more of your fallacy's debunked. You'd be surprised what old wives tales that would be put to rest for ya in the first 10 minutes.

Weed does increase cancer risk albeit not nearly as much as tobacco. People have DEFINITELY gotten lung cancer from weed alone although it's very difficult to tell since many potheads also smoke cigs.



Umm no, never not once. Dont leave comments if you're just gonna talk out your ass

Can you show me the studies that say this? There's multiple studies in the OP that say it increases lung cancer risk.

I never said that, i said show me where weed alone gives u lung cancer. Because no, it never has. Google it. I tried googling lung cancer from cannabis alone, nothing.


You're being deliberately vague. No one is saying using marijuana in responsible ways will cause cancer (vape or eating). Smoking any substance creates carcinogens which are linked to cancer. If I am mistaken and you are in fact claiming smoking marijuana has no link to cancer you are sorely mistaken.



No I'm not, I did just update my OP. But once again, I'm saying. Marijuana-cancer. Hard science. Nothing with "May/Might/Could" in the title please. Marijuana-lung cancer. Ok someone else's turn, i'll check back in later.


I read through this article from pubmed last time this was brought up, you should too because you're completely incorrect if in fact you are saying smoking marijuana doesn't cause cancer. Which of course you REFUSE to clarify.

http://erj.ersjournals.com/content/31/2/280.long

You are aware, that the term "Increased Risk" is not "Cause Of" Right?
This isn't shit I don't know.
Now please, Lung cancer, caused by marijuana only. Show me
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Sephiren
Profile Joined September 2012
United States85 Posts
October 21 2012 19:55 GMT
#157
Legalize it, use it, do what you want with it... but don't make me smell along with you please >.<
heliusx
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States2306 Posts
October 21 2012 19:57 GMT
#158
On October 22 2012 04:54 Arkless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2012 04:49 heliusx wrote:
On October 22 2012 04:47 Arkless wrote:
On October 22 2012 04:42 heliusx wrote:
On October 22 2012 04:35 Arkless wrote:
On October 22 2012 03:59 FuzZyLogic wrote:
On October 22 2012 03:42 Arkless wrote:
On October 22 2012 03:25 FuzZyLogic wrote:
On October 21 2012 21:11 Arkless wrote:
On October 21 2012 20:30 Probe1 wrote:
I think there is a case to be made that it contains more carcinogens but nicotine binds with receptors while cannabinoids do not which directly increases the amount of carcinogens absorbed and RR of lung cancer. So you could qualify an erroneous statement that cannabis contains more carcinogens however you'd still be wrong if you were trying to argue cancer rates.

Of course there are not enough studies and almost no long term studies. Which makes it a difficult thing to argue definitively for either side.

I agree with you, cannabis is less harmful than tobacco.



Show me the science then, because I have never seen anything to suggest that marijuana contains more carcinogens than a cigg.

And no, I'm not wrong. No one has gotten cancer from Marijuana consumption alone, ever. Please either show us some hard science, or stop speculating.

Watch a doc called "The Union" if you'd like some more of your fallacy's debunked. You'd be surprised what old wives tales that would be put to rest for ya in the first 10 minutes.

Weed does increase cancer risk albeit not nearly as much as tobacco. People have DEFINITELY gotten lung cancer from weed alone although it's very difficult to tell since many potheads also smoke cigs.



Umm no, never not once. Dont leave comments if you're just gonna talk out your ass

Can you show me the studies that say this? There's multiple studies in the OP that say it increases lung cancer risk.

I never said that, i said show me where weed alone gives u lung cancer. Because no, it never has. Google it. I tried googling lung cancer from cannabis alone, nothing.


You're being deliberately vague. No one is saying using marijuana in responsible ways will cause cancer (vape or eating). Smoking any substance creates carcinogens which are linked to cancer. If I am mistaken and you are in fact claiming smoking marijuana has no link to cancer you are sorely mistaken.



No I'm not, I did just update my OP. But once again, I'm saying. Marijuana-cancer. Hard science. Nothing with "May/Might/Could" in the title please. Marijuana-lung cancer. Ok someone else's turn, i'll check back in later.


I read through this article from pubmed last time this was brought up, you should too because you're completely incorrect if in fact you are saying smoking marijuana doesn't cause cancer. Which of course you REFUSE to clarify.

http://erj.ersjournals.com/content/31/2/280.long

You are aware, that the term "Increased Risk" is not "Cause Of" Right?
This isn't shit I don't know.
Now please, Lung cancer, caused by marijuana only. Show me


My mind is literally blown by your ignorance. Increased risk of what? Not causing cancer? No, increased risk OF CAUSING CANCER.
dude bro.
BjoernK
Profile Joined April 2012
194 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-21 20:01:59
October 21 2012 20:01 GMT
#159
Anybody who knows some potheads and is impartial knows that smoking marihuana has bad effects on the brain (which I find a lot worse than the lungs).
A quick google search:
http://www.medicaldaily.com/articles/11417/20120809/marijuana-brain-damage-memory-learning-drug-habit-addiction.htm
Immaterial
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada510 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-21 20:13:00
October 21 2012 20:02 GMT
#160
EDIT: whoops, wrong thread. So I'll just say that the guy saying Marijuana makes you aggressive is hilariously ignorant about cannabis LOL
EDIT2:
On October 22 2012 05:01 BjoernK wrote:
Anybody who knows some potheads and is impartial knows that smoking marihuana has bad effects on the brain (which I find a lot worse than the lungs).
A quick google search:
http://www.medicaldaily.com/articles/11417/20120809/marijuana-brain-damage-memory-learning-drug-habit-addiction.htm


Nice sample size in that study bro. Also the test subjects were not said to have only used cannabis. What's your response to the fact that THC is considered a neuro-protective antioxidant?

And I love your statement "Anybody who knows some potheads..." the exact type of absurd anecdotal evidence I mentioned in my previous post. How about Obama? Richard Branson? Carl Sagan? Steven King? Bloomberg? Sorkin? Turner? They sure are some dopey losers aren't they?

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