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Arkless
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1547 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-21 15:39:21
October 21 2012 15:25 GMT
#101
On October 21 2012 23:58 jimbob615 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2012 21:55 Arkless wrote:
On October 21 2012 21:44 Probe1 wrote:
You're lying about checking my sources and here's some more to shut you up.

Cannabis
acetaldehyde, acetamide, acrylonitrile, 4-aminobiphenyl, arsenic,
benz[a]anthracene, benzene, benzo[a]pyrene, benzo[b]fluoranthene, benzo[j]fluoranthene,
benzo[k]fluoranthene, benzofuran, 1,3-butadiene, cadmium, carbazole, catechol, chromium
(hexavalent compounds), chrysene, dibenz[a,h]anthracene, dibenz[a,i]pyrene,
dibenzo[a,e]pyrene, diethylnitrosamine, dimethylnitrosamine, formaldehyde, indeno[1,2,3,-
c,d]pyrene, isoprene, lead, mercury, 5-methylchrysene, naphthalene, nickel, pyridine, and
quinoline.

OEHHA’s search for scientific journal articles on the topic of marijuana smoking and cancer
identified a total of 60 relevant articles representing 27 controlled epidemiological studies (21 of
only direct marijuana smoking, five of only parental marijuana smoking, and one of both direct
and parental marijuana smoking), 15 case report articles (all regarding direct marijuana
smoking), eight review articles, and nine commentaries/editorials (Table 1). The following
discussion focuses on categories of cancer for which a statistically significant association with
marijuana smoking has been reported.

Take your pick http://oehha.ca.gov/prop65/hazard_ident/pdf_zip/FinalMJsmokeHID.pdf

Bonus: It took one google search, approximately 4 seconds for me to find this list which is independent of my earlier links. It took a further 20 seconds (twenty) to find the relevant table.

Legalizing cannabis is the right thing to do but acting like it's gods green gift is for idiot stoners that deserve no more respect than drunks.



Well first, I never disagreed saying it had 0 carcinogens. You said, it's worse than a cigg. STILL you have not shown a source supporting THAT CLAIM.

Any sort of combustible plant being consumed through your lungs will have SOME carcinogens, herp.

So, you actually really didn't prove anything except say that I lied (which I clearly didn't) and that we are idiot stoners, no better than an alcoholic.

No offense, but did the stoners ostracize u in high school or something. Did you grow up with "weed is the devil" parents?

We are a peace loving people, who can smoke 10 doobs in 2 hrs, and still go to work the next day. Function in society ( sometimes better than most sober people) as well as other shit. Try that off 10 beers.

Calling people "idiot stoners" without knowing the person, is as bad as being straight up racist IMO. People who seem stupid, while stoned. Were dumb before, the weed just amplified their own personal stupidity. The plant gets to much of the blame.

-I for one, live in the (un)Official weed mecca of the world (vancouver)
-I blaze everyday, most of the day. Unless I'm at work.
-I work 40+ hours a week, with a better than average income (especially for a 26 year old)
-I have a University level education
-Of course I gradded high school

So your preconceived notions, are arbitrary.

you really think you have a better life inhaling this drug every moment you're awake and able to, than if you didn't?


That honestly, has nothing to do with anything. It's a self choice, the same as going to church. It's what I choose to do, and am not hurting anyone. And your opinion is different from mine.
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Bigtony
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1606 Posts
October 21 2012 15:37 GMT
#102
The primary reason marijuana isn't legal is that it makes people think critically. This isn't a comment on whether or not marijuana is a positive thing just my opinion on why it's illegal. Marijuana teaches many people to be more open minded and more capable of following trains of thought that they would otherwise dismiss. Again, just my opinion.


Marijuana doesn't make people think critically, it inhibits critical thinking. Perhaps you meant creatively (open minded like you say later)? Either way, smoking weed doesn't increase cognitive ability. You could look at it like alcohol and say that they are less inhibited, but I don't agree that smoking weed (or drinking alcohol or doing shrooms or etc) is a good activity for your brain.
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Glowinglight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States76 Posts
October 21 2012 15:40 GMT
#103
People should stop caring about other people so much and just let them do what they want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone but themselves.
If they want to smoke marijuana let them. I hope it gets legalized, I also hope they tax the shit out of it and put an appropriate age limit.
GnarlyArbitrage
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
575 Posts
October 21 2012 15:47 GMT
#104
On October 22 2012 00:40 Glowinglight wrote:
People should stop caring about other people so much and just let them do what they want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone but themselves.
If they want to smoke marijuana let them. I hope it gets legalized, I also hope they tax the shit out of it and put an appropriate age limit.


What's an appropriate age level? Is it 25, when the body stops growing? Is it 21, because of the drinking age? Is it 18 because of the "adulthood" we put on that number? Is it 16, which is the legal age for consensual sex in Mexico? Should it be 13, when kids start not being kids but transform in the adults they will be?
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
October 21 2012 15:51 GMT
#105
legalize it..

seriously just do..

then the mob's will stop spreading shit on the streets because everyone will have their own plants or they will buy stuff from a legal plantator..
T H C makes ppl happy
Glowinglight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States76 Posts
October 21 2012 16:00 GMT
#106
On October 22 2012 00:47 DigiGnar wrote:
What's an appropriate age level? Is it 25, when the body stops growing? Is it 21, because of the drinking age? Is it 18 because of the "adulthood" we put on that number? Is it 16, which is the legal age for consensual sex in Mexico? Should it be 13, when kids start not being kids but transform in the adults they will be?


I would hope it isn't up to one person to make the decision. Though if it was up to me I would probably start at the age of 25, have it stay that way for a year then make it open to vote down the age limit.
Calypso123
Profile Joined March 2011
United States42 Posts
October 21 2012 16:05 GMT
#107
I think its funny when everyone says that it shouldn't be legal. only stupid people use. look at sieve Jobs. created the first OS for a computer. He used every drug known to man kind. and your telling me someone who smokes weed is a dumb fuck. Honestly if people didnt have to hide it. like 60 % of the worlds population smokes weed. Another thing to bring up how is alcohol any better. how many Marijuana related deaths do you hear about a year? NONE! how many people die from drunk driving how many people die from drinking to much or are hurt and injured bc of alcohol. Alcohol is like the leading death rate in the US. so dont tell me Marijuana is worse!.
D10
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Brazil3409 Posts
October 21 2012 16:08 GMT
#108
My whole opinion is summed by this

" We are not humans having spiritual experiences. - We are spirits having human experiences." - Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
LarJarsE
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1378 Posts
October 21 2012 16:12 GMT
#109
http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Massachusetts_Medical_Marijuana_Initiative,_Question_3_(2012)

I will be voting yes on 3 for the massachusetts 2012 ballot
since 98'
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
October 21 2012 16:20 GMT
#110
On October 21 2012 19:21 DOUDOU wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2012 17:59 ilbh wrote:
I can't believe some people here really voted "illegalized" in the poll. I wonder if they put their "GOD HATE FAGS" sign aside or if they keep holding it up while voting. lol

wow
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2012 17:31 travis wrote:
The primary reason marijuana isn't legal is that it makes people think critically. This isn't a comment on whether or not marijuana is a positive thing just my opinion on why it's illegal. Marijuana teaches many people to be more open minded and more capable of following trains of thought that they would otherwise dismiss. Again, just my opinion.

wow



it's like this thread is made to make sure marijuana never gets legalized


hi could you explain why you quoted me next to the other guy?
BerserKr
Profile Joined July 2010
Chile101 Posts
October 21 2012 16:25 GMT
#111
I'd vote for the decriminalization, and obviously go for the actual drug dealers, rather than those that consume it, or have 1 or 2 plants in their backyard, also have it as prescription drug requiring the age of 18 to use it (one step ahead considering how many people will get a prescription to use it as a recreational drug, and before the age of 18 it seems to have some effect in the brain development), also I'd implement good drug education in schools, and show how in reality, alcohol and cigarettes are killing the most people, and specifically in my countries point of view, alcohol is the true problem.
War does not determine who is right - only who is left.
haffy
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom430 Posts
October 21 2012 16:50 GMT
#112
On October 21 2012 21:46 EscPlan9 wrote:
I notice no mention of mental health concerns about frequent marijuana usage making the onset of schizophrenia earlier in individuals already predisposed to schizophrenia. That's been fairly well documented. Also, though anecdotally, nearly everyone I know who quit pot (including me), did so because of the anxiety and paranoia we began to predominately feel while under its influence, and well, because it is still considered illegal and there are drug tests by employers and such.

Anyways, concerning legality, it overall does a lot less harm than other drugs that are legal - most noteably, alcohol. Legalize it.



Probably because genetic factors are far more significant to the onset of schizophrenia than anything else.

Weed, like anything else that effects your serotonin levels, can cause positive or negative symptoms to the condition. Just because some people can have negative symptoms doesn't mean it's bad for everyone with schizophrenia, and should never be used again.

I mean fuck, look at the back of anti depression pills, the side effects of them are often, depression and suicide. But they can be more beneficial than destructive, if used in the right circumstances.
D10
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Brazil3409 Posts
October 21 2012 16:56 GMT
#113
A quick comparison with Alcohol, reveals to anyone with eyes to see, that weed is overrated in its destructiveness, and that if it really is damaging enough to be forbiden, alcohol should have never ever ever ever ever been legal in the first place, because it destroys both your body and mind when abused, much viciously than weed, and causes chemical and psychological dependance.

Despite that, you will never see "drinking kills" next to a bottle of beer, gee I wonder why

But lets keep arguing about a scrizophrenics as if they are being forced into smoking weed, thats a more sane and proper discussion.
" We are not humans having spiritual experiences. - We are spirits having human experiences." - Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
Arkless
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1547 Posts
October 21 2012 17:07 GMT
#114
On October 22 2012 01:56 D10 wrote:
A quick comparison with Alcohol, reveals to anyone with eyes to see, that weed is overrated in its destructiveness, and that if it really is damaging enough to be forbiden, alcohol should have never ever ever ever ever been legal in the first place, because it destroys both your body and mind when abused, much viciously than weed, and causes chemical and psychological dependance.

Despite that, you will never see "drinking kills" next to a bottle of beer, gee I wonder why

But lets keep arguing about a scrizophrenics as if they are being forced into smoking weed, thats a more sane and proper discussion.



Not to mention ciggarettes. The fact that they are legal, while weed remains illegal. Shows you just how backwards the system is.
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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
October 21 2012 17:09 GMT
#115
Whoever saying that Marijuanna isn't addictive is totally hypocritical. Same applies to those implying that it have no side effects.
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
October 21 2012 17:11 GMT
#116
On October 22 2012 02:09 Xiphos wrote:
Whoever saying that Marijuanna isn't addictive is totally hypocritical. Same applies to those implying that it have no side effects.


How is that hypocritical?
heliusx
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States2306 Posts
October 21 2012 17:13 GMT
#117
On October 22 2012 01:56 D10 wrote:
A quick comparison with Alcohol, reveals to anyone with eyes to see, that weed is overrated in its destructiveness, and that if it really is damaging enough to be forbiden, alcohol should have never ever ever ever ever been legal in the first place, because it destroys both your body and mind when abused, much viciously than weed, and causes chemical and psychological dependance.

Despite that, you will never see "drinking kills" next to a bottle of beer, gee I wonder why

But lets keep arguing about a scrizophrenics as if they are being forced into smoking weed, thats a more sane and proper discussion.


I've abused both at different times. Alcohol is pretty taxing on your body when you drink daily and weed is taxing on your mind. With that being said neither should be used daily and I don't think anyone can justify one or the other being illegal in any intelligent fashion. Governments spend way too much tax payer money fighting marijuana and they also ruin peoples lives just because they smoke it.

All in all I never understood why it's illegal, it doesn't make sense and the government has no business telling people what types of mostly harmless drugs when not abused they can put into their bodies.
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D10
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Brazil3409 Posts
October 21 2012 17:15 GMT
#118
On October 22 2012 02:09 Xiphos wrote:
Whoever saying that Marijuanna isn't addictive is totally hypocritical. Same applies to those implying that it have no side effects.


Marijuana is not addictive, its habit forming, which is similar to addiction, but not quite the same.
" We are not humans having spiritual experiences. - We are spirits having human experiences." - Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
Skopey
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom70 Posts
October 21 2012 17:18 GMT
#119
On October 22 2012 02:09 Xiphos wrote:
Whoever saying that Marijuanna isn't addictive is totally hypocritical. Same applies to those implying that it have no side effects.


You've completely misunderstood the meaning of "hypocritical"
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Chargelot
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
2275 Posts
October 21 2012 17:19 GMT
#120
On October 21 2012 17:31 travis wrote:
The primary reason marijuana isn't legal is that it makes people think critically. This isn't a comment on whether or not marijuana is a positive thing just my opinion on why it's illegal. Marijuana teaches many people to be more open minded and more capable of following trains of thought that they would otherwise dismiss. Again, just my opinion.


Marijuana is surely unhealthy as you are putting smoke in your lungs. But this isn't a justification for it being illegal. It has no synthetic chemicals in it unlikely cigarettes and is definitely healthier.


I smoked marijuana for years and didn't have much trouble quitting. It is not physically addictive, and being psychologically addictive isn't really a point. Psychological addiction is the same as wanting something because you know you like it.

The 'medical use' section doesn't even contain a reason for keeping it illegal.

The entire war on drugs is bogus anyways it's about money and control not about doing anything good.

The primary reason marijuana isn't legal is that it makes people think critically.


The primary reason everything is illegal is because it empowers the people and our alien overlords do not like that.
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