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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
Cannabis acetaldehyde, acetamide, acrylonitrile, 4-aminobiphenyl, arsenic, benz[a]anthracene, benzene, benzo[a]pyrene, benzo[b]fluoranthene, benzo[j]fluoranthene, benzo[k]fluoranthene, benzofuran, 1,3-butadiene, cadmium, carbazole, catechol, chromium (hexavalent compounds), chrysene, dibenz[a,h]anthracene, dibenz[a,i]pyrene, dibenzo[a,e]pyrene, diethylnitrosamine, dimethylnitrosamine, formaldehyde, indeno[1,2,3,- c,d]pyrene, isoprene, lead, mercury, 5-methylchrysene, naphthalene, nickel, pyridine, and quinoline. OEHHA’s search for scientific journal articles on the topic of marijuana smoking and cancer identified a total of 60 relevant articles representing 27 controlled epidemiological studies (21 of only direct marijuana smoking, five of only parental marijuana smoking, and one of both direct and parental marijuana smoking), 15 case report articles (all regarding direct marijuana smoking), eight review articles, and nine commentaries/editorials (Table 1). The following discussion focuses on categories of cancer for which a statistically significant association with marijuana smoking has been reported. Take your pick http://oehha.ca.gov/prop65/hazard_ident/pdf_zip/FinalMJsmokeHID.pdf Bonus: It took one google search, approximately 4 seconds for me to find this list which is independent of my earlier links. It took a further 20 seconds (twenty) to find the relevant table. Legalizing cannabis is the right thing to do but acting like it's gods green gift is for idiot stoners that deserve no more respect than drunks. | ||
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EscPlan9
United States2777 Posts
Anyways, concerning legality, it overall does a lot less harm than other drugs that are legal - most noteably, alcohol. Legalize it. | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
On October 21 2012 17:31 travis wrote: haha, i guess i'm not open enough to refute the reversibility of these correlational relations.The primary reason marijuana isn't legal is that it makes people think critically. This isn't a comment on whether or not marijuana is a positive thing just my opinion on why it's illegal. Marijuana teaches many people to be more open minded and more capable of following trains of thought that they would otherwise dismiss. Again, just my opinion. | ||
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Cinim
Denmark866 Posts
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Arkless
Canada1547 Posts
On October 21 2012 21:44 Probe1 wrote: You're lying about checking my sources and here's some more to shut you up. Cannabis acetaldehyde, acetamide, acrylonitrile, 4-aminobiphenyl, arsenic, benz[a]anthracene, benzene, benzo[a]pyrene, benzo[b]fluoranthene, benzo[j]fluoranthene, benzo[k]fluoranthene, benzofuran, 1,3-butadiene, cadmium, carbazole, catechol, chromium (hexavalent compounds), chrysene, dibenz[a,h]anthracene, dibenz[a,i]pyrene, dibenzo[a,e]pyrene, diethylnitrosamine, dimethylnitrosamine, formaldehyde, indeno[1,2,3,- c,d]pyrene, isoprene, lead, mercury, 5-methylchrysene, naphthalene, nickel, pyridine, and quinoline. Take your pick http://oehha.ca.gov/prop65/hazard_ident/pdf_zip/FinalMJsmokeHID.pdf Bonus: It took one google search, approximately 4 seconds for me to find this list which is independent of my earlier links. It took a further 20 seconds (twenty) to find the relevant table. Legalizing cannabis is the right thing to do but acting like it's gods green gift is for idiot stoners that deserve no more respect than drunks. Well first, I never disagreed saying it had 0 carcinogens. You said, it's worse than a cigg. STILL you have not shown a source supporting THAT CLAIM. Any sort of combustible plant being consumed through your lungs will have SOME carcinogens, herp. So, you actually really didn't prove anything except say that I lied (which I clearly didn't) and that we are idiot stoners, no better than an alcoholic. No offense, but did the stoners ostracize u in high school or something. Did you grow up with "weed is the devil" parents? We are a peace loving people, who can smoke 10 doobs in 2 hrs, and still go to work the next day. Function in society ( sometimes better than most sober people) as well as other shit. Try that off 10 beers. Calling people "idiot stoners" without knowing the person, is as bad as being straight up racist IMO. People who seem stupid, while stoned. Were dumb before, the weed just amplified their own personal stupidity. The plant gets to much of the blame. -I for one, live in the (un)Official weed mecca of the world (vancouver) -I blaze everyday, most of the day. Unless I'm at work. -I work 40+ hours a week, with a better than average income (especially for a 26 year old) -I have a University level education -Of course I gradded high school So your preconceived notions, are arbitrary. | ||
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Zealotdriver
United States1557 Posts
After cannabis is legalized in the US, scientific research on the plant will blossom, no pun intended. After several years and clinical trials we'll see various drugs extracted from cannabis that provide therapeutic benefits without the detrimental side effects. | ||
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Arkless
Canada1547 Posts
On October 21 2012 21:57 Zealotdriver wrote: Smoking cannabis is probably one of the stupidest things anyone can do with the drug. It should be vaporized for the best efficiency and dosage control. Vaporizer technology has advanced enough that it is affordable, easy, and fast. Eating products containing cannabis can be a healthy way to imbibe if the plants are grown under hygienic conditions. After cannabis is legalized in the US, scientific research on the plant will blossom, no pun intended. After several years and clinical trials we'll see various drugs extracted from cannabis that provide therapeutic benefits without the detrimental side effects. The psychoactive part aside, it's baffeling how in the US you can buy/own/import hemp. But not grow it. Hemp is the greatest plant ever. And doesn't get you high at all, it's just the male side of the cannabis plant. - It is one of the best ways, and one of the most easily digestible sources of protein for your body ( Hemp Force Protein Powder for example) - The seeds, if mixed in a salad or something are GREAT for your body - The oils have so many different uses, from skin creams to fuel sources - The fibers make the best clothes, better than cotton - You can weave it to build structures, including make "plywood" stronger than any d-fir or spruce based plywood - Fuel source - Did I say fuel source? That's just a few out 100's of different uses for hemp. Damn industrialists are keeping it illegal so they don't have to convert their mills, and is a damn shame. | ||
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Warillions
United States215 Posts
On October 21 2012 18:24 jimbob615 wrote: i believe you, but like anything in life, there will be a spread from one extreme to another. i can counter by saying from my personal experience, the laziest people i've met, EVER, also smoke weed in their free time. a better way to look at it is, on average, is someone going to be slower, more dim-witted and lazier after smoking? on average, i think you will find the answer to this is yes. and is that something we want the masses to have open access to? I know a guy that doesn't smoke weed or cigs. He is a shitty worker always rushing home as soon as 5 hits and HATES working late. Another guy I work with never complains when asked to work overtime. But he usually has weed on him and nvr complains on working late. he is a descent worker. | ||
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Myrddraal
Australia937 Posts
On October 21 2012 21:55 Arkless wrote: Well first, I never disagreed saying it had 0 carcinogens. You said, it's worse than a cigg. STILL you have not shown a source supporting THAT CLAIM. Any sort of combustible plant being consumed through your lungs will have SOME carcinogens, herp. So, you actually really didn't prove anything except say that I lied (which I clearly didn't) and that we are idiot stoners, no better than an alcoholic. No offense, but did the stoners ostracize u in high school or something. Did you grow up with "weed is the devil" parents? We are a peace loving people, who can smoke 10 doobs in 2 hrs, and still go to work the next day. Function in society ( sometimes better than most sober people) as well as other shit. Try that off 10 beers. Calling people "idiot stoners" without knowing the person, is as bad as being straight up racist IMO. People who seem stupid, while stoned. Were dumb before, the weed just amplified their own personal stupidity. The plant gets to much of the blame. -I for one, live in the (un)Official weed mecca of the world (vancouver) -I blaze everyday, most of the day. Unless I'm at work. -I work 40+ hours a week, with a better than average income (especially for a 26 year old) -I have a University level education -Of course I gradded high school So your preconceived notions, are arbitrary. Just... wow, did you actually read all of his posts? From what I read he is not even close to advocating "weed is the devil" nor displaying traits that suggest that the "stoners ostracized him". All he is trying to say is that, it's not totally safe and as much as we enjoy it (Probe1 included) and would like it to be legalized we should be aware that there are risks involved and making arguments pretending that it is totally safe are false. | ||
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Roachu
Sweden692 Posts
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Arkless
Canada1547 Posts
On October 21 2012 22:29 Myrddraal wrote: Just... wow, did you actually read all of his posts? From what I read he is not even close to advocating "weed is the devil" nor displaying traits that suggest that the "stoners ostracized him". All he is trying to say is that, it's not totally safe and as much as we enjoy it (Probe1 included) and would like it to be legalized we should be aware that there are risks involved and making arguments pretending that it is totally safe are false. The ostracation/devil parent comment was more in response to his initial "idiot stoner drunk" remark. Once again, I was only looking for sources on his claim that it is WORSE THAN TOBACCO. I never said smoking weed is going to build muscle mass, and improve your cardio. | ||
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SopJanne
Sweden5 Posts
And for those who say you get lazy and don't do shit all day, I workout 5 days a week and work at the same time, I just smoke in the evenings. As far as health risks regarding the drug there's a lot of studies saying different things, but from what I've "researched" myself it does seem to be less harmful than tobacco and alcohol. "Cannabis smoke contains numerous carcinogens.[5][6][7] Surprisingly, an extensive study published in 2006 by Donald Tashkin of the University of California, Los Angeles found that there is no significant link between smoking cannabis and lung cancer.[8] The study, which involved a large population sample (1,200 people with lung, neck, or head cancer, and a matching group of 1,040 without cancer) found no correlation between marijuana smoking and increased lung cancer risk, with the same being true for head and neck cancers as well. The results indicated no correlation between long and short-term cannabis use and cancer, indicating a possible therapeutic effect. Extensive cellular studies and some studies in animal models suggest that THC or cannabidiol has antitumor properties, either by encouraging programmed cell death of genetically damaged cells that can become cancerous, or by restricting the development of the blood supply that feeds tumors, or both.[9] Prior, a 1997 study examining the records of 64,855 Kaiser patients (14,033 of whom identified themselves as current smokers), also found no positive correlation between cannabis use and cancer.[10]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis-associated_respiratory_disease#cite_note-WebMDcancer-8 I'm not saying weed ain't harmful, it might be but there's way too little independent research being done, mainly because the drug is illegal. | ||
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Husnan
France298 Posts
You people keep debating on something that is entirely irrelevant. So let me summarize it once again : who gives a fuck if drugs are bad for your health? Why would that be a reason to outlaw them? Then we should also outlaw bacon, sodas, sex, sky-diving because those are all things that are health-hazards. Looking forward to an honest answer. | ||
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
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jimbob615
Uruguay455 Posts
On October 21 2012 21:55 Arkless wrote: Well first, I never disagreed saying it had 0 carcinogens. You said, it's worse than a cigg. STILL you have not shown a source supporting THAT CLAIM. Any sort of combustible plant being consumed through your lungs will have SOME carcinogens, herp. So, you actually really didn't prove anything except say that I lied (which I clearly didn't) and that we are idiot stoners, no better than an alcoholic. No offense, but did the stoners ostracize u in high school or something. Did you grow up with "weed is the devil" parents? We are a peace loving people, who can smoke 10 doobs in 2 hrs, and still go to work the next day. Function in society ( sometimes better than most sober people) as well as other shit. Try that off 10 beers. Calling people "idiot stoners" without knowing the person, is as bad as being straight up racist IMO. People who seem stupid, while stoned. Were dumb before, the weed just amplified their own personal stupidity. The plant gets to much of the blame. -I for one, live in the (un)Official weed mecca of the world (vancouver) -I blaze everyday, most of the day. Unless I'm at work. -I work 40+ hours a week, with a better than average income (especially for a 26 year old) -I have a University level education -Of course I gradded high school So your preconceived notions, are arbitrary. you really think you have a better life inhaling this drug every moment you're awake and able to, than if you didn't? | ||
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Randomaccount#77123
United States5003 Posts
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TheFish7
United States2824 Posts
Here is a reason for it to be legalized; it makes sex even better. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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emythrel
United Kingdom2599 Posts
On October 21 2012 17:55 FXOUnstable wrote: Personally I was never a fan of marijuana, The people who tend to be "addicted" to it for lack of a better word and smoke heavily that I personally have ever known were always the type of people who couldn't keep a job and were not the smartest people, I figured this was a coincidence. But then when I was at university I witnessed a straight A/HD student start smoking and within 6 months he didn't care about anything other than smoking it and even quit university and went on welfare. so it got me thinking, what is the tradeoff, having it illegal and people being hurt trying to get it that way, or having it legal and running the risk of those with addictive personalities get hooked on it, but that being said its just as much a risk that they get addicted to anything else. That being said i'm sure there are many people who have the self control to do it moderately, so really why isn't it legalized yet when cigarettes and alcohol is pretty much the same thing. You can make the same argument about any drug, especially alcohol which is actually addictive and kills thousands of people every year. My experience of weed is completely different, I know a few people who can't hold down a job etc but thats not because of the weed its because they were wasters anyway. The vast majority of my friends smoke weed and those who aren't performers/actors/dancers all hold down regular jobs and are in fact fairly successful. One of my closest friends is a reporter for a national newspaper and smokes weed nearly daily, silly cow can't roll a joint mind you lol. I've been smoking weed since 12 years old, I later became a cocaine addict and kicked it. In no way way the weed what lead me on to harder drugs, I made that choice because I like getting high. I know plenty of people who have never touched weed in their entire life who became cocaine addicts via going to the pub with their friends drinking. Everything is pretty much anecdotal evidence in these matters, my personal experience is that weed enhances the lives of the vast majority of users, it opens their mind, it helps them relax after a stressful day etc. There are always those who will ruin their life because of drugs, but thats not the drugs fault. I was a cocaine addict, I made that choice, I saw it coming and didn't stop, I take responsibility for my actions. I've never robbed anyone to pay for my habits, I've never harmed anyone because of my habits, its my choice what I do and I choose to both be a drug user and a good human being. | ||
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GnarlyArbitrage
575 Posts
Anyone who votes for marijuana to be illegal, then you should also be against sugar. Over consumption of sugar is what causes certain to be fat. (Those who over consume.) The NYC ban on large soda's is probably something you actually voted for. Not only that, but both alcohol and sugar can be addicting in the same way that marijuana can be. By this, then you should vote that all video games, movies, music, art, pleasure, anything in life should be illegal. Everything can be addicting either mentally or physically. So, if you vote for marijuana to be illegal, think about what you're really voting for and then look at the other things you most likely don't vote for. | ||
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