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On October 21 2012 17:08 WTFZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 16:56 Voltaire wrote:
Legalize.
There's a chance it could be voted legal in a few states in the US this November. Colorado and Washington, I believe. Irrelevant because Federal law states that marijuana is illegal. Any state measure to legalize marijuana is simply a show of public opinion. At the end of the day it is still illegal, and the Federal government is well within their right to stage raids against dispensaries. Anyways, I don't see why it is illegal to possess/use. We waste far too much money punishing petty criminals for stupid shit. As far as I'm concerned, legalize all drugs and let the abusers die out.
Its not irrelevant because almost all law enforcement isn't federal.
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On October 21 2012 18:26 Probe1 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 18:19 HwangjaeTerran wrote:3-4 Cannabis cigarettes a day are associated with the same evidence of acute and chronic bronchitis and the same degree of damage to the bronchial mucosa as 20 or more tobacco cigarettes a day. That's not a real argument. It's like banning water because people might fill their lungs with it. Yes it is. Smoking 3-4 unfiltered cigarettes a day is also like smoking 20 or more filtered cigarettes. Cannabis contains far more carcinogens than tobacco. I've smoked pot for over 10 years and I support legalization but please, don't try to blow smoke up my ass. It's cancerous.
I think he meant that there are other ways to consume weed, so having an argument base on smoking would be moot.
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Weeds far more helthier than sigs or alcohol. I would vote for legalisation for this fact only.
However I'm addicted to bike riding, not drugs so my oppinion is minor ^^
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Just read in the new scientist (magazine) that weed lowers IQ. they followed 1000 people from birth until age 38
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Illegal.
It has harmful health effects (smoke and lung) and people on drugs become irrational and unnecessarily aggressive.
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On October 21 2012 18:19 DystopiaX wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 18:17 jimbob615 wrote:
well from a society point of view, people who smoke weed are also the the laziest and most unproductive people. i'm not sure i'd want that legalised so everyone goes on welfare to get high every day. From personal experience I can say that's not true, some of the best workers I know also smoke weed in their free time.
This is a good point, peoples personal experiences will always be different, like from my personal experience I would say that they are laziest and most unproductive.
I don't envy people in politics when it comes to that
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Aggressive from weed? Lol dont make me laugh
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I have friends who smoke pot. I used to join them, but I notice when they smoke, they can't hold a good discussion without going needlessly aggressive and very opinionated that you'd think they want to kill people who don't follow their ideas. That;s firsthand experience, better than research!
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On October 21 2012 18:24 jimbob615 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 18:19 DystopiaX wrote:On October 21 2012 18:17 jimbob615 wrote:
well from a society point of view, people who smoke weed are also the the laziest and most unproductive people. i'm not sure i'd want that legalised so everyone goes on welfare to get high every day. From personal experience I can say that's not true, some of the best workers I know also smoke weed in their free time. i believe you, but like anything in life, there will be a spread from one extreme to another. i can counter by saying from my personal experience, the laziest people i've met, EVER, also smoke weed in their free time. a better way to look at it is, on average, is someone going to be slower, more dim-witted and lazier after smoking? on average, i think you will find the answer to this is yes. and is that something we want the masses to have open access to?
From the data discussed so far, it appears unlikely that decriminalization of cannabis will
cause an increase in cannabis use
D.J. Korf / Addictive Behaviors 27 (2002) 851–866
Keep in mind the data used in that paper originates from Netherlands, where cannabis is more readily available than the status "decriminalized" would probably suggest (compared to Portugal or Chech Republic (I've done no research whatsoever on that statement, correct me if I'm wrong)), therefore suggesting that legalization, as opposed to decriminalization should not bring much different results, if at all.
Now, I'm not saying decriminalization/legalization of cannabis definitely doesn't increase its usage, but it is a debate on its own.
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On October 21 2012 18:42 Le Cheque Zo wrote:
I have friends who smoke pot. I used to join them, but I notice when they smoke, they can't hold a good discussion without going needlessly aggressive and very opinionated that you'd think they want to kill people who don't follow their ideas. That;s firsthand experience, better than research!
Sounds just about right for any kind of bar discussion that has ever gone heated. Or any discussion that goes too heated with people in the first place.
Decriminalization works pretty well here in Holland. The only problem we have is other foreigners overwhelming the bordershops, causing us to try and make laws to make it more difficult for them.
I'm looking at you Germans. Decriminalize or legalize it please, the coffeeshops I've visited all start off talking german to me, then apologizing when I talk dutch to them. Simply because there are so many germans coming to the shops to smoke. Nothing against you guys, but it does get annoying.
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On October 21 2012 18:47 Chaosvuistje wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 18:42 Le Cheque Zo wrote:
I have friends who smoke pot. I used to join them, but I notice when they smoke, they can't hold a good discussion without going needlessly aggressive and very opinionated that you'd think they want to kill people who don't follow their ideas. That;s firsthand experience, better than research! Sounds just about right for any kind of bar discussion that has ever gone heated. Or any discussion that goes too heated with people in the first place. Decriminalization works pretty well here in Holland. The only problem we have is other foreigners overwhelming the bordershops, causing us to try and make laws to make it more difficult for them. I'm looking at you Germans. Decriminalize or legalize it please, the coffeeshops I've visited all start off talking german to me, then apologizing when I talk dutch to them. Simply because there are so many germans coming to the shops to smoke. Nothing against you guys, but it does get annoying.
Point is, they're normally the nicest people to talk to, until they smoke weed!
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On October 21 2012 18:34 Alala-P wrote:
Just read in the new scientist (magazine) that weed lowers IQ. they followed 1000 people from birth until age 38
okay so having a low IQ score is related to weed use? How do they know that those people aren't just below average? And how does that justify it being illegal?
I know a so many stupid people that don't drink or smoke weed. What should we do about them?
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On October 21 2012 18:31 solidbebe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 18:26 Probe1 wrote:On October 21 2012 18:19 HwangjaeTerran wrote:3-4 Cannabis cigarettes a day are associated with the same evidence of acute and chronic bronchitis and the same degree of damage to the bronchial mucosa as 20 or more tobacco cigarettes a day. That's not a real argument. It's like banning water because people might fill their lungs with it. Yes it is. Smoking 3-4 unfiltered cigarettes a day is also like smoking 20 or more filtered cigarettes. Cannabis contains far more carcinogens than tobacco. I've smoked pot for over 10 years and I support legalization but please, don't try to blow smoke up my ass. It's cancerous. I think he meant that there are other ways to consume weed, so having an argument base on smoking would be moot.
Well he directly quoted
3-4 Cannabis cigarettes a day are associated with the same evidence of acute and chronic bronchitis and the same degree of damage to the bronchial mucosa as 20 or more tobacco cigarettes a day.
So what am I to do? Assume what he meant was what he didn't say?
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On October 21 2012 18:51 Le Cheque Zo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 18:47 Chaosvuistje wrote:On October 21 2012 18:42 Le Cheque Zo wrote:
I have friends who smoke pot. I used to join them, but I notice when they smoke, they can't hold a good discussion without going needlessly aggressive and very opinionated that you'd think they want to kill people who don't follow their ideas. That;s firsthand experience, better than research! Sounds just about right for any kind of bar discussion that has ever gone heated. Or any discussion that goes too heated with people in the first place. Decriminalization works pretty well here in Holland. The only problem we have is other foreigners overwhelming the bordershops, causing us to try and make laws to make it more difficult for them. I'm looking at you Germans. Decriminalize or legalize it please, the coffeeshops I've visited all start off talking german to me, then apologizing when I talk dutch to them. Simply because there are so many germans coming to the shops to smoke. Nothing against you guys, but it does get annoying. Point is, they're normally the nicest people to talk to, until they smoke weed!
Just like angry drinkers then? It's called losing inhibitions. Some people do it gracefully, others undergo through a different effect like becoming aggressive or overly annoying.
I know many people that show just how racist they are after a few drinks, while normally they are the nicest people to hang around. The type of intoxication is hardly relevant. If your point is both alcohol and drugs should be illegal, I would respect that opinion as it isn't as hypocritical as allowing alcohol a free pass while giving marijuana a bad rep because its a softdrug.
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It says "Illegal but often unenforced" in South Africa, which isn't really true. In Cape Town there is quite a large anti-drug campaign for example. Also, if you get searched by the cops for no reason (completely normal) and they find even a small amount of marijuana on you, you will get locked up.
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Legalize. There is so much hypocrisy within the criminalization of weed, so I'm going with the good old 'legalize-and-tax-the-shit-out-of-it'-idea.
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On October 21 2012 18:57 Chaosvuistje wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 18:51 Le Cheque Zo wrote:On October 21 2012 18:47 Chaosvuistje wrote:On October 21 2012 18:42 Le Cheque Zo wrote:
I have friends who smoke pot. I used to join them, but I notice when they smoke, they can't hold a good discussion without going needlessly aggressive and very opinionated that you'd think they want to kill people who don't follow their ideas. That;s firsthand experience, better than research! Sounds just about right for any kind of bar discussion that has ever gone heated. Or any discussion that goes too heated with people in the first place. Decriminalization works pretty well here in Holland. The only problem we have is other foreigners overwhelming the bordershops, causing us to try and make laws to make it more difficult for them. I'm looking at you Germans. Decriminalize or legalize it please, the coffeeshops I've visited all start off talking german to me, then apologizing when I talk dutch to them. Simply because there are so many germans coming to the shops to smoke. Nothing against you guys, but it does get annoying. Point is, they're normally the nicest people to talk to, until they smoke weed! Just like angry drinkers then? It's called losing inhibitions. Some people do it gracefully, others undergo through a different effect like becoming aggressive or overly annoying. I know many people that show just how racist they are after a few drinks, while normally they are the nicest people to hang around. The type of intoxication is hardly relevant. If your point is both alcohol and drugs should be illegal, I would respect that opinion as it isn't as hypocritical as allowing alcohol a free pass while giving marijuana a bad rep because its a softdrug.
No problem when we are drunk. In fact we have never fought even when we are stupid drunk. But when they smoke pot, they become monsters.
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Problems of smoke inhalation should not even be discussed, they are irrelevant, you can use a VAPORIZER.
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If I had to chose whom I wanted to meet alone in a dark alley, I'd take a group of potheads over a couple of drunks every day of the week.
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On October 21 2012 19:11 sluggaslamoo wrote:
Problems of smoke inhalation should not even be discussed, they are irrelevant, you can use a VAPORIZER.
Why even bother with vapor, just bake it into your favorite pastries <3
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