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On October 23 2012 01:30 Bolty wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 01:12 neggro wrote: There is a reason marijuana is illegal in the US. Hardcore statistic: In my 2 years in the police force, 80% of all the juvenile crimes are done by people who test positive to drugs.
ILLEGAL ....I don't know what I can and can't say on this forum, heard the moderators can be quite nazi at times. But you sir are part of the invisible cancer in our society. Perpetuating this establishment, protecting it with your guns. I despise you. Of course criminal youths turn to drugs, it's obvious. They feel like their lives are more or less forfeit, they have no place in society and everything is pointless. Why not do drugs in that situation? Everyone would. You too my disgusting little piggie. You never once stopped to think why you arrest people do you? Why these young criminals exist, and why they turn to drugs? Society turned their backs on them! This system of money is like a game of musical chairs, there ain't enough for everybody and you have to be sneaky, fast or have sharp elbows to win. Those people who are born with a sense of empathy and enjoy seeing other people happy? You know, good people? They don't get rich because they realize that they have to step on their fellow men to do so. And what do you do? You hunt them, instead of helping them. Why? No profit in helping them. You are the invisible hand, as described by Adam Smith. It's your job to make sure the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor. And you don't even know it. Do yourself a favor, stop being a cop. Maybe there's still time for you to do some actual good in this world. Worth it. haha, this is a funny comment.
Pity i hadn't read your comment on neggro not being openminded. That one's even funnier.
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hmm... its pretty crazy to try and think about this issue without being biased due to the "lessons" (propaganda) we are exposed to constantly.
During the original trial making marijuana illegal it was testified as evidence that smoking this substance would cause white women to listen to jazz music and sleep with black men. Thousands of additional racist slurs against blacks and mexicans were also propagated to the nation and the jury during this time. From these points I think its obvious it needs another look.
When compared to alcohol its clearly less damaging to your body and less prone to cause violence. So while I enjoy both smoking weed and drinking beers I cannot see why one is illegal and the other is not.
The war on drugs is a massive waste of money that could be used to explore the deepest parts of our planet or the furthest reaches of our solar system or keep starving children in third world countries fed and educated. Given the alternatives I do not support the war on drugs. If drugs were legal the government stands to make significant money from the distribution of recreational marijuana. The laws would accurately reflect driving impaired and intoxicated in public still.
A large point is that (ironically) morally high people seem to believe that the law is the only thing keeping the majority of society from killing raping and robbing everyone. it will never become a requirement to smoke weed so only those interested will partake in a more safe, regulated, and government profitable way. I don't think I can think of a single disadvantage to legalizing weed. Government profit and saving tonnes of money. Crime rate way down.... the list goes on. Oh the disadvantage might be whomever legalizes it would be persecuted and unsupported by those who willingly submit to the ignorant hereditary prejudices placed forth by which ever cult organization they subscribe to.
The most credible study regarding the effects of marijuana are flimsy ties to short term memory loss and damage to your lungs that occurs no matter which smoke you inhale. The real concern with pot smokers is the comfort that feel in being unproductive. And being unproductive for years will make you stupid. I don't think these things warrant a ban. And if they do, there are numerous other substances that need to be investigated.
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On October 23 2012 02:59 Bolty wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 02:02 ODK wrote:On October 23 2012 01:30 Bolty wrote:On October 23 2012 01:12 neggro wrote: There is a reason marijuana is illegal in the US. Hardcore statistic: In my 2 years in the police force, 80% of all the juvenile crimes are done by people who test positive to drugs.
ILLEGAL ....I don't know what I can and can't say on this forum, heard the moderators can be quite nazi at times. But you sir are part of the invisible cancer in our society. Perpetuating this establishment, protecting it with your guns. I despise you. Of course criminal youths turn to drugs, it's obvious. They feel like their lives are more or less forfeit, they have no place in society and everything is pointless. Why not do drugs in that situation? Everyone would. You too my disgusting little piggie. You never once stopped to think why you arrest people do you? Why these young criminals exist, and why they turn to drugs? Society turned their backs on them! This system of money is like a game of musical chairs, there ain't enough for everybody and you have to be sneaky, fast or have sharp elbows to win. Those people who are born with a sense of empathy and enjoy seeing other people happy? You know, good people? They don't get rich because they realize that they have to step on their fellow men to do so. And what do you do? You hunt them, instead of helping them. Why? No profit in helping them. You are the invisible hand, as described by Adam Smith. It's your job to make sure the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor. And you don't even know it. Do yourself a favor, stop being a cop. Maybe there's still time for you to do some actual good in this world. Worth it. You are fucking right, Sir! Thanks. It warms my heart to know I'm not alone in the world. I like how neggro infests this thread with asinine comments and yet ignores me completely. Standard American model of deflecting and ignoring opponents. And he calls himself open minded. Funny.
That's because what you said is retarded in the extreme.
It's your job to make sure the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor. And you don't even know it.
Give me a fucking break.
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On October 23 2012 01:30 Bolty wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 01:12 neggro wrote: There is a reason marijuana is illegal in the US. Hardcore statistic: In my 2 years in the police force, 80% of all the juvenile crimes are done by people who test positive to drugs.
ILLEGAL ....I don't know what I can and can't say on this forum, heard the moderators can be quite nazi at times. But you sir are part of the invisible cancer in our society. Perpetuating this establishment, protecting it with your guns. I despise you. Of course criminal youths turn to drugs, it's obvious. They feel like their lives are more or less forfeit, they have no place in society and everything is pointless. Why not do drugs in that situation? Everyone would. You too my disgusting little piggie. You never once stopped to think why you arrest people do you? Why these young criminals exist, and why they turn to drugs? Society turned their backs on them! This system of money is like a game of musical chairs, there ain't enough for everybody and you have to be sneaky, fast or have sharp elbows to win. Those people who are born with a sense of empathy and enjoy seeing other people happy? You know, good people? They don't get rich because they realize that they have to step on their fellow men to do so. And what do you do? You hunt them, instead of helping them. Why? No profit in helping them. You are the invisible hand, as described by Adam Smith. It's your job to make sure the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor. And you don't even know it. Do yourself a favor, stop being a cop. Maybe there's still time for you to do some actual good in this world. Worth it. This is just really retarded.
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There is a new group Marijuana Majority (http://marijuanamajority.com)
About Marijuana Majority
What do evangelical Christian Pat Robertson, progressive media maven Arianna Huffington, conservative businessman David Koch, actor Morgan Freeman and rapper Snoop Dogg have in common?
Probably only one thing: They all think our marijuana criminalization laws don't work, cause harm and need to change. Polls show that a majority of Americans agree with them:
Washington Post/ABC found 81% support for allowing medical marijuana. Time/CNN found 72% support for replacing jail time with a fine for people caught with small amounts of marijuana. Gallup found 50% support for legalizing marijuana altogether.
Still, too many elected officials continue to act as if there's some political reason to keep supporting marijuana policies that almost everyone knows have failed. And too many people who agree that now is the time for change remain reluctant to speak out.
Marijuana Majority exists to help more people understand the simple fact that supporting commonsense solutions like regulating marijuana sales and ending marijuana arrests are mainstream positions and that there's no reason those who support reform should be afraid to say so.
We provide resources that make it easy for individual supporters to take part in actively building the Marijuana Majority by contacting celebrities, elected officials and opinion leaders to encourage them to add their voices to the debate.
Inquiries can be sent to info@marijuanamajority.com.
“I think that most small amounts of marijuana have been decriminalized in some places, and should be. We really need a re-examination of our entire policy on imprisonment.” Bill Clinton, 42nd President of the United States
“It's just the stupidest law possible... You're just making criminals out of people who aren't engaged in criminal activity. And we're spending zillions of dollars trying to fight a war we can't win! We could make zillions, just legalize it and tax it like we do liquor. It's stupid.” Morgan Freeman, Academy Award-Winning Actor
“The main point in [our] report was to recommend decriminalization...because of the way laws are applied, which have not worked. We have applied them for decades and it's got the prisons filled with lots of young people who sometimes come out destroyed for having half an ounce... [W]e should approach it through education [and] health issues rather than a brutal reaction... There is need for change in policy, but it has to start with debate and discussion... I think the whole approach has to be reviewed.” Kofi Annan, Former Secretary-General of United Nations
Some of its supporters: Pat Robertson Arianna Huffington Rahm Emanuel Richard Posner Sarah Palin Brad Pitt Black Jack Benecio del Toro Jesse Jackson Sean Parker
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Sarah Palin wants to legalize weed?
I guess she's not that bad after all.
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you know that, whilst aerial-wolf-hunting, she tokes it up
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On thing that the OP fails to mention is the funding in Cannabis research. That is the singular reason why it is difficult to translate research into legislation or as a tool for policy making because there are multibillion interests at stake, and they are waging the first phase of the war in the laboratories.
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On October 23 2012 03:05 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 02:59 Bolty wrote:On October 23 2012 02:02 ODK wrote:On October 23 2012 01:30 Bolty wrote:On October 23 2012 01:12 neggro wrote: There is a reason marijuana is illegal in the US. Hardcore statistic: In my 2 years in the police force, 80% of all the juvenile crimes are done by people who test positive to drugs.
ILLEGAL ....I don't know what I can and can't say on this forum, heard the moderators can be quite nazi at times. But you sir are part of the invisible cancer in our society. Perpetuating this establishment, protecting it with your guns. I despise you. Of course criminal youths turn to drugs, it's obvious. They feel like their lives are more or less forfeit, they have no place in society and everything is pointless. Why not do drugs in that situation? Everyone would. You too my disgusting little piggie. You never once stopped to think why you arrest people do you? Why these young criminals exist, and why they turn to drugs? Society turned their backs on them! This system of money is like a game of musical chairs, there ain't enough for everybody and you have to be sneaky, fast or have sharp elbows to win. Those people who are born with a sense of empathy and enjoy seeing other people happy? You know, good people? They don't get rich because they realize that they have to step on their fellow men to do so. And what do you do? You hunt them, instead of helping them. Why? No profit in helping them. You are the invisible hand, as described by Adam Smith. It's your job to make sure the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor. And you don't even know it. Do yourself a favor, stop being a cop. Maybe there's still time for you to do some actual good in this world. Worth it. You are fucking right, Sir! Thanks. It warms my heart to know I'm not alone in the world. I like how neggro infests this thread with asinine comments and yet ignores me completely. Standard American model of deflecting and ignoring opponents. And he calls himself open minded. Funny. And generalizing Americans is what, not asinine? Just because Mr. Kettle argues poorly doesn't mean Mr. Pot isn't a dick when he stereotypes like a Westboro Baptist.
Fair enough, that was uncalled for. I apologize. Cops tend to bring out the worst in me.
haha, this is a funny comment.
Pity i hadn't read your comment on neggro not being openminded. That one's even funnier.
That's because what you said is retarded in the extreme. Show nested quote +It's your job to make sure the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor. And you don't even know it. Give me a fucking break.
This is just really retarded.
You know what's retarded guys? Your replies. Argue instead of marginalizing and ridiculing please. If you think my viewpoint is way off then please, enlighten me.
And mr. Moderator why'd you warn ODK just for agreeing with me? Please warn me instead! It was an aggressive post and I could live with a warning, but ODK didn't rly do anything wrong did he?
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On October 23 2012 21:33 Bolty wrote:
And mr. Moderator why'd you warn ODK just for agreeing with me? Please warn me instead! It was an aggressive post and I could live with a warning, but ODK didn't rly do anything wrong did he?
because +1 type posts are frowned upon here. Saying you agree with some1 without adding anything of value is pretty much worthless, all we'd have is threads filled with posts 'i agree'.
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On October 21 2012 23:21 SopJanne wrote:I'm all for legalizing marijuana. Maybe because I've been smoking it almost daily for 2 years now. I haven't really noticed that many changes since i started smoking, my memory is a bit worse (was shit to being with) but during the longer breaks I've head, like 3 weeks, I've noticed it returning somewhat. And for those who say you get lazy and don't do shit all day, I workout 5 days a week and work at the same time, I just smoke in the evenings. As far as health risks regarding the drug there's a lot of studies saying different things, but from what I've "researched" myself it does seem to be less harmful than tobacco and alcohol. "Cannabis smoke contains numerous carcinogens.[5][6][7] Surprisingly, an extensive study published in 2006 by Donald Tashkin of the University of California, Los Angeles found that there is no significant link between smoking cannabis and lung cancer.[8] The study, which involved a large population sample (1,200 people with lung, neck, or head cancer, and a matching group of 1,040 without cancer) found no correlation between marijuana smoking and increased lung cancer risk, with the same being true for head and neck cancers as well. The results indicated no correlation between long and short-term cannabis use and cancer, indicating a possible therapeutic effect. Extensive cellular studies and some studies in animal models suggest that THC or cannabidiol has antitumor properties, either by encouraging programmed cell death of genetically damaged cells that can become cancerous, or by restricting the development of the blood supply that feeds tumors, or both.[9] Prior, a 1997 study examining the records of 64,855 Kaiser patients (14,033 of whom identified themselves as current smokers), also found no positive correlation between cannabis use and cancer.[10]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis-associated_respiratory_disease#cite_note-WebMDcancer-8I'm not saying weed ain't harmful, it might be but there's way too little independent research being done, mainly because the drug is illegal.
2 persons walk over a field of grass. Person A does it daily, Person B does it once a year.
When person B returns after a year, he sees how it aint grass any longer on the path he walked one year ago. While Person A hasn't seen it change. It hasn't crossed his mind as he daily walks the path.
It does have effect on your brain but it's something you only can see overtime. And these effects are permanent on your mind. The way your mind slows down, it'll remain at that level if you smoke daily too long.
It's not natural for the body to be high that often.
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On October 22 2012 19:02 rhythmrenegade wrote:This is a common situation on TL. An issue comes up for discussion and people begin to take moral standpoints based on the societal context of their upbringing. In other words, posters bring a bag full of 'must/must nots' and 'should/should nots' to the discussion and open that bag, fully believing that the contents of their bag are superior or more natural than the contents of other posters' bags. Debate ensues and we wind up with little critical discussion of either side of the issue. What is missing is a critical discussion of the sociological aspect of drug use: how society and social norms determine how we contextualize drug use. Here is a good primer on that: http://www.psychedelic-library.org/goode.htmPlease include a sociology section in the OP; if you like, I will write and expand it, just let me know! Interesting. Can you elaborate on this please.
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It's not natural for the body to be high that often.
And you know this how...?
It does have effect on your brain but it's something you only can see overtime. And these effects are permanent on your mind. The way your mind slows down, it'll remain at that level if you smoke daily too long.
I've been smoking daily for 10 years with only 2 breaks - one was 9 months, the other 4 - and it hasn't slowed my mind down. And if it does make someone's mind "slow down," that's their choice, not yours. Is it making them incapable of operating in society?
Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 02:00 journaIist wrote:On October 22 2012 19:02 rhythmrenegade wrote:This is a common situation on TL. An issue comes up for discussion and people begin to take moral standpoints based on the societal context of their upbringing. In other words, posters bring a bag full of 'must/must nots' and 'should/should nots' to the discussion and open that bag, fully believing that the contents of their bag are superior or more natural than the contents of other posters' bags. Debate ensues and we wind up with little critical discussion of either side of the issue. What is missing is a critical discussion of the sociological aspect of drug use: how society and social norms determine how we contextualize drug use. Here is a good primer on that: http://www.psychedelic-library.org/goode.htmPlease include a sociology section in the OP; if you like, I will write and expand it, just let me know! Interesting. Can you elaborate on this please.
It's basically some nice academicspeak about how people are mindless sheeple and other fantasies of the ivory tower. Of course people think they're right, and of course most people base that thinking off what they were taught by their parents and teachers and friends and neighbors. The idea that this thinking is not "critical" is an ego-stroking assertion that exists for little reason other than to make academics feel superior, and give them an easy way to add a layer of claimed legitimacy to their own opinions, which otherwise they would have to acknowledge as not being intrinsically superior to anyone else's. People reassess their beliefs constantly, as circumstances bring up opportunity.
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On October 21 2012 19:20 a3den wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 17:41 JieXian wrote: Someday this guy should get a star for his OPs. Lives up to his name, though I have little knowledge on the topic
I'm surprised France isn't in orange based on what my teacher told me.
Edit oh wait reading wikipedia cleared it up France should be orange, yes.
Really? The wikipedia entry on it looked really scary, especially when you contrast it with Germany's
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On October 23 2012 11:33 either I or wrote:There is a new group Marijuana Majority (http://marijuanamajority.com) Show nested quote +About Marijuana Majority
What do evangelical Christian Pat Robertson, progressive media maven Arianna Huffington, conservative businessman David Koch, actor Morgan Freeman and rapper Snoop Dogg have in common?
Probably only one thing: They all think our marijuana criminalization laws don't work, cause harm and need to change. Polls show that a majority of Americans agree with them:
Washington Post/ABC found 81% support for allowing medical marijuana. Time/CNN found 72% support for replacing jail time with a fine for people caught with small amounts of marijuana. Gallup found 50% support for legalizing marijuana altogether.
Still, too many elected officials continue to act as if there's some political reason to keep supporting marijuana policies that almost everyone knows have failed. And too many people who agree that now is the time for change remain reluctant to speak out.
Marijuana Majority exists to help more people understand the simple fact that supporting commonsense solutions like regulating marijuana sales and ending marijuana arrests are mainstream positions and that there's no reason those who support reform should be afraid to say so.
We provide resources that make it easy for individual supporters to take part in actively building the Marijuana Majority by contacting celebrities, elected officials and opinion leaders to encourage them to add their voices to the debate.
Inquiries can be sent to info@marijuanamajority.com. Show nested quote +“I think that most small amounts of marijuana have been decriminalized in some places, and should be. We really need a re-examination of our entire policy on imprisonment.” Bill Clinton, 42nd President of the United States Show nested quote +“It's just the stupidest law possible... You're just making criminals out of people who aren't engaged in criminal activity. And we're spending zillions of dollars trying to fight a war we can't win! We could make zillions, just legalize it and tax it like we do liquor. It's stupid.” Morgan Freeman, Academy Award-Winning Actor Show nested quote +“The main point in [our] report was to recommend decriminalization...because of the way laws are applied, which have not worked. We have applied them for decades and it's got the prisons filled with lots of young people who sometimes come out destroyed for having half an ounce... [W]e should approach it through education [and] health issues rather than a brutal reaction... There is need for change in policy, but it has to start with debate and discussion... I think the whole approach has to be reviewed.” Kofi Annan, Former Secretary-General of United Nations Some of its supporters: Pat Robertson Arianna Huffington Rahm Emanuel Richard Posner Sarah Palin Brad Pitt Black Jack Benecio del Toro Jesse Jackson Sean Parker
Hey, don't forget the others Pamela Anderson Rihanna Kanye West Shaquille Oneal
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OOH! That's why CatZ went back to Peru!
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On October 22 2012 20:26 solidbebe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 20:10 Vei wrote: why do you refer to it as marijuana and not its scientific/accurate name of Cannabis / cannabis sativa
calling it Marijuana is like discussing prostitution but referring to it as brotheling or something Yeah I think marijuana was a term coined by anti cannabis american politicians to make it sound ´scarier´ (not really the right word) in the ears of the population. As I understand it, cannabis was given the name marijuana to make it sound more spanish/non-white, and at the time white supremacy was more widespread, or at least visibly so, in America. This keeps it out of white supremacists hands at the very least, because they will do what they are told (and that's what makes them racist in the first place).
On October 23 2012 01:12 neggro wrote: There is a reason marijuana is illegal in the US. Hardcore statistic: In my 2 years in the police force, 80% of all the juvenile crimes are done by people who test positive to drugs.
ILLEGAL Is this a firsthand statistic? Because if it's hearsay, I'll remind you that testing positive to drugs is a crime in most areas. You may as well say that 80% of the people you bring in are booked for cannabis use only.
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I think Sir Bob Marley has covered this topic more than enough times,I agree with Sir Marley!!
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my contribution
+ Show Spoiler +this is a tale of two scvs who one day gathered behind an orbital to hit the trees. rolled up the metal sleeves, gauged the breeze and took flight instead of scouting for Z's and P's. one of the two, Larry, started coughing and making a scene. knocked a mineral patch off the map while reaching for his green. didn't flinch or nothing but kept it lit and puffing, sticking nugs where the minerals ought to go in. the other gave him a nudge and then after a pass, pointed to a geyser now fit to grab gas. Larry scoffed at the crass then hit his own shit, and heaved a hot yellow plume like he had his weapon refit. then his buddy Carter hit it even harder, and shot a lazy rocket off just like a marauder. it hit a third scv. square to the gut. he keeled over coughing, and nearly died from the stuff. got up to finish his depot-- dropped his metal trousers and forgot where all the pieces go. after a moment he found it. made a few circles around it. whipped out his fusion cutter just to raze it like a stick of butter. he wouldn't go back to the line now. he couldn't. thought for half a minute. caught up with Larry. booked it without leaving a footprint
by now the main was heavily populated. and cliff to cliff Terran units propagated. not a direction lay unmolested for more than a mile. so the three bolted down the ramp in a single file. that's when Carl saw a fourth SCV crack a smile. Johnny. just finished the natural. and look at that. it was finally done. he caught a whiff of the reefer and his ticker started to run. managed to skate with a case of cold beer. a bargaining chip to offer our three musketeers.
they took off again, now four to their line, smoke grinding their chrome teddy bear suits to rinds. a J went from the front to the back then from the back to the front. and when it was out, Carter rolled a blunt. they kept going like that, maybe for days. dodging friends, dodging foes and all the time hitting haze. then one day Carter dug for a pinch, and came up with some spare change and loose lint.
you see, Carter's a miser without his portable geyser. with no drugs on the map he had buy from Pfizer. didn't dig pills though, they filled his suit with sweat so he'd have to grow gills so, at long last they found a fresh main, eight ripe patches and two geysers within range. they built an entire city on blades of ember grain, pitched tents to shield their bud from the rain, taxed it to fund roads, schools, asylums for the insane. minerals were no currency here. what you wanted cost substance, and substance wasn't beer.
weeks went by and we saw the base thrive, but Johnny's mental fell straight into a nose dive. "I want the hot sweaty drills and the shiny blue hills. no private property, responsibilities, paying bills. look at your mules. they eat cannabis for fuel!" Larry went to Johnny, "dood, what's the big deal?" "since we left we haven't had a hot meal, too much time to think and no water to drink, just the heinies i managed to steal."
Larry thought and said, "let's see what I've got packed. damn. there's just a few rax and a fac left in my sack." "well, should we go back?" "fuck that. whether or not our main's under attack. sure you haven't eaten but you took your life back." "but don't you want a family some day? what about that? not to mention I left my cigarettes, gold lighter and swiss army knife." after a long beat, Larry drew an ornate fife. and played an old Terran folk song for what seemed like Larry's whole life. "fuck kids, fuck a wife. breathe deep, dood, we live the scv life."
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