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On October 23 2012 01:53 neggro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 01:51 heliusx wrote:On October 23 2012 01:48 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 01:44 heliusx wrote:On October 23 2012 01:39 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 01:22 heliusx wrote:On October 23 2012 01:16 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 01:13 Nizaris wrote:On October 23 2012 01:12 neggro wrote:
There is a reason marijuana is illegal in the US. Hardcore statistic: In my 2 years in the police force, 80% of all the juvenile crimes are done by people who test positive to drugs.
ILLEGAL positive to drugs or positive to MJ ? No1 said anything about making crack legal. marijuana I mean. These are juveniles who normally smoke a joint before doing stupid shit. What do you mean no one? Every one here wants to legalize it. Everyone wants to legalize crack cocaine? That statement is about as believable as 80% of people who do crimes test for marijuana. I was talking about marijuana sir. This is a marijuana thread after all. On October 23 2012 01:16 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 01:13 Nizaris wrote:On October 23 2012 01:12 neggro wrote:
There is a reason marijuana is illegal in the US. Hardcore statistic: In my 2 years in the police force, 80% of all the juvenile crimes are done by people who test positive to drugs.
ILLEGAL positive to drugs or positive to MJ ? No1 said anything about making crack legal. marijuana I mean. These are juveniles who normally smoke a joint before doing stupid shit. What do you mean no one? Every one here wants to legalize it. Maybe you should read what you're responding to then? He says no one said anything about making crack legal. You replied "what do you mean no one? everyone here wants to legalize it." Did you at any time attend school? The thread as the title clearly suggests is about marijuana. Therefore when I said everyone here wants to legalize "it", "it" means marijuana, proven by the fact that indeed majority voted to legalize marijuana in the polls. He just wanted to mislead the discussion. You both talk to each other since you seem to have the same purpose. You know sometimes when people try to insult me I get angry. But when it comes from someone who literally doesn't understand some of the terms he is using how can I be upset. It's really just ironic. tMomiji above you just gave you a free lesson. Thank him.
Oh, my...it's just an opinion and a theory is all; you'll make me blush and then get all self-important when really I'm just trying to look at both sides of the issue without being biased; last time I got into a nasty fight when I discussed this, so...
Edit: That is, both sides of the criminal issue. If you want to talk about medicine I unfortunately am completely biased on that issue because like I said I can't stand the abuse of legal drugs...
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On October 23 2012 01:30 Bolty wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 01:12 neggro wrote:
There is a reason marijuana is illegal in the US. Hardcore statistic: In my 2 years in the police force, 80% of all the juvenile crimes are done by people who test positive to drugs.
ILLEGAL ....I don't know what I can and can't say on this forum, heard the moderators can be quite nazi at times. But you sir are part of the invisible cancer in our society. Perpetuating this establishment, protecting it with your guns. I despise you. Of course criminal youths turn to drugs, it's obvious. They feel like their lives are more or less forfeit, they have no place in society and everything is pointless. Why not do drugs in that situation? Everyone would. You too my disgusting little piggie. You never once stopped to think why you arrest people do you? Why these young criminals exist, and why they turn to drugs? Society turned their backs on them! This system of money is like a game of musical chairs, there ain't enough for everybody and you have to be sneaky, fast or have sharp elbows to win. Those people who are born with a sense of empathy and enjoy seeing other people happy? You know, good people? They don't get rich because they realize that they have to step on their fellow men to do so. And what do you do? You hunt them, instead of helping them. Why? No profit in helping them. You are the invisible hand, as described by Adam Smith. It's your job to make sure the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor. And you don't even know it. Do yourself a favor, stop being a cop. Maybe there's still time for you to do some actual good in this world. Worth it.
You are fucking right, Sir!
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On October 23 2012 01:41 neggro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 01:30 Immaterial wrote:On October 23 2012 01:12 neggro wrote:
There is a reason marijuana is illegal in the US. Hardcore statistic: In my 2 years in the police force, 80% of all the juvenile crimes are done by people who test positive to drugs.
ILLEGAL We have laws in place to prosecute people who commit those crimes. Sure, a person likely to engage in criminal behavior may also be inclined to use recreational drugs, but that is pretty irrelevant to the debate. To say there is a causal relationship between cannabis use and committing other crimes is beyond absurd. What causality do you need to establish? These are juveniles (KIDS) who take drugs. Are you defending that?
Don't turn my argument into something it's not. So-called juvenile usage is not likely to increase as the result of legalization, it will more likely go down as it has in the Netherlands and (I believe) California. You implied that cannabis causes young people to commit crimes which is a preposterous, irrational statement. Trying to take the "Oh, won't somebody think of the children!!" approach to this argument simply won't work. Drug dealers don't check ID, liquor store clerks do. As a police officer, can you genuinely say you see more harm caused by cannabis than alcohol?
And you're right, there is a reason marijuana is illegal in the US. As I mentioned before, Harry J anslinger, William Randolph Hurst and others set off a massive propaganda campaign against "Marihuana" by claiming it "caused white women to seek relationships with negros" and made Mexican laborers go berserk. Racism and propaganda are the reasons cannabis was made illegal
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On October 23 2012 01:57 n0ise wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 01:51 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 01:46 heliusx wrote:On October 23 2012 01:44 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 01:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 23 2012 01:12 neggro wrote:
There is a reason marijuana is illegal in the US. Hardcore statistic: In my 2 years in the police force, 80% of all the juvenile crimes are done by people who test positive to drugs.
ILLEGAL Just because some criminals also smoke pot doesn't mean that the pot is the cause of the other- more dangerous- crimes. To think so is to forget that correlation does not imply causation. Drugs and violence are often found together, but that doesn't mean that "good" people are incapable of handling themselves in the presence of marijuana (which isn't nearly as dangerous as other drugs). This correlation is not causation crap people say in the internet is absurd. What is there to think about kids, some as young as 10 years old, smoking weed and doing crime? Should we know conclude that coke does not contribute to the obesity of people who drink it everyday. How much evidence do you need to prove causation from correlation? Gosh, do you honestly believe smoking pot makes people more likely to do crime? If not wtf are you arguing? Are you confused about what correlation does not equal causation means? If 80% is not enough by personal experience and official record, what then? Should we test all children and make then smoke pot and see if there is any correlation bullshit to prove the point. Some of you need to be awakened to real life and stop dreaming that life is all the rainbows and unicorns you learn in your philosophy classes. links, etc, where are these records? can you please explain why you think one would take kind of a 'downer' and go about doing crime? Or is it more an 'environment' issue, case in which legalising it would actually make sense? Or are you just saying that 80% of kids arrested are arrested for consuming/possesion, hence 80% of kids arrested are drug-related crimes? lolo Asking all these since we already established pot, crack etc are just words for you and you don't really seem to know what you're talking about
Go to your nearest police station and look it up. What? You want to be spoon fed now?
You and that other guy prove just how kids are reckless and have no idea how real life works. I respect your desire to smoke, but just don't get caught and don't escalate it by doing something more stupid. Tip: if you are being called by the police for possession, don't run or reach for your pocket. It's a "code red" (MUST do, not just CAN do) condition for the police to taser or even shoot you depending on the circumstance. You may refuse to accept to my previous posts but believe me, heed me on this one, for your own good.
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On October 23 2012 01:51 neggro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 01:46 heliusx wrote:On October 23 2012 01:44 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 01:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 23 2012 01:12 neggro wrote:
There is a reason marijuana is illegal in the US. Hardcore statistic: In my 2 years in the police force, 80% of all the juvenile crimes are done by people who test positive to drugs.
ILLEGAL Just because some criminals also smoke pot doesn't mean that the pot is the cause of the other- more dangerous- crimes. To think so is to forget that correlation does not imply causation. Drugs and violence are often found together, but that doesn't mean that "good" people are incapable of handling themselves in the presence of marijuana (which isn't nearly as dangerous as other drugs). This correlation is not causation crap people say in the internet is absurd. What is there to think about kids, some as young as 10 years old, smoking weed and doing crime? Should we know conclude that coke does not contribute to the obesity of people who drink it everyday. How much evidence do you need to prove causation from correlation? Gosh, do you honestly believe smoking pot makes people more likely to do crime? If not wtf are you arguing? Are you confused about what correlation does not equal causation means? If 80% is not enough by personal experience and official record, what then? Should we test all children and make then smoke pot and see if there is any correlation bullshit to prove the point. Some of you need to be awakened to real life and stop dreaming that life is all the rainbows and unicorns you learn in your philosophy classes.
even if its 80%, its still not reason to believe causation. especially with the situation we have with marijuana. a good way to explain this is to say that teenagers not having respect for authority is the cause of both marijuana use and other offenses, not that marijuana is what made them break the law. to assume that because if any random person trying marijuana is going to be more like to commit a crime because of the drug is too much.
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On October 23 2012 01:30 Immaterial wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 01:12 neggro wrote:
There is a reason marijuana is illegal in the US. Hardcore statistic: In my 2 years in the police force, 80% of all the juvenile crimes are done by people who test positive to drugs.
ILLEGAL We have laws in place to prosecute people who commit those crimes. Sure, a person likely to engage in criminal behavior may also be inclined to use recreational drugs, but that is pretty irrelevant to the debate. To say there is a causal relationship between cannabis use and committing other crimes is beyond absurd.
In my experience people are less likely to commit crimes while directly under the influence of marijuana, do to the paranoia and general lethargy of the drug. I think there is a much stronger case for alcohol than almost any other drug (probably put together) for correlation with a crime of some sort.
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On October 23 2012 01:58 tMomiji wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 01:53 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 01:51 heliusx wrote:On October 23 2012 01:48 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 01:44 heliusx wrote:On October 23 2012 01:39 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 01:22 heliusx wrote:On October 23 2012 01:16 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 01:13 Nizaris wrote:On October 23 2012 01:12 neggro wrote:
There is a reason marijuana is illegal in the US. Hardcore statistic: In my 2 years in the police force, 80% of all the juvenile crimes are done by people who test positive to drugs.
ILLEGAL positive to drugs or positive to MJ ? No1 said anything about making crack legal. marijuana I mean. These are juveniles who normally smoke a joint before doing stupid shit. What do you mean no one? Every one here wants to legalize it. Everyone wants to legalize crack cocaine? That statement is about as believable as 80% of people who do crimes test for marijuana. I was talking about marijuana sir. This is a marijuana thread after all. On October 23 2012 01:16 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 01:13 Nizaris wrote:On October 23 2012 01:12 neggro wrote:
There is a reason marijuana is illegal in the US. Hardcore statistic: In my 2 years in the police force, 80% of all the juvenile crimes are done by people who test positive to drugs.
ILLEGAL positive to drugs or positive to MJ ? No1 said anything about making crack legal. marijuana I mean. These are juveniles who normally smoke a joint before doing stupid shit. What do you mean no one? Every one here wants to legalize it. Maybe you should read what you're responding to then? He says no one said anything about making crack legal. You replied "what do you mean no one? everyone here wants to legalize it." Did you at any time attend school? The thread as the title clearly suggests is about marijuana. Therefore when I said everyone here wants to legalize "it", "it" means marijuana, proven by the fact that indeed majority voted to legalize marijuana in the polls. He just wanted to mislead the discussion. You both talk to each other since you seem to have the same purpose. You know sometimes when people try to insult me I get angry. But when it comes from someone who literally doesn't understand some of the terms he is using how can I be upset. It's really just ironic. tMomiji above you just gave you a free lesson. Thank him. Oh, my...it's just an opinion and a theory is all; you'll make me blush and then get all self-important when really I'm just trying to look at both sides of the issue without being biased; last time I got into a nasty fight when I discussed this, so... Edit: That is, both sides of the criminal issue. If you want to talk about medicine I unfortunately am completely biased on that issue because like I said I can't stand the abuse of legal drugs...
I understand you, I'm very open minded. I'm just pointing out to him that correlation is sometimes causation, as you explained.
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On October 23 2012 01:44 neggro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 01:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 23 2012 01:12 neggro wrote:
There is a reason marijuana is illegal in the US. Hardcore statistic: In my 2 years in the police force, 80% of all the juvenile crimes are done by people who test positive to drugs.
ILLEGAL Just because some criminals also smoke pot doesn't mean that the pot is the cause of the other- more dangerous- crimes. To think so is to forget that correlation does not imply causation. Drugs and violence are often found together, but that doesn't mean that "good" people are incapable of handling themselves in the presence of marijuana (which isn't nearly as dangerous as other drugs). This correlation is not causation crap people say in the internet is absurd. What is there to think about kids, some as young as 10 years old, smoking weed and doing crime? Should we know conclude that coke does not contribute to the obesity of people who drink it everyday. How much evidence do you need to prove causation from correlation?
If you had read my previous comment regarding the legalization of pot (two posts before the one you just commented on), you'd know that I don't like the idea of kids doing drugs in general. However, when you become an adult, it's assumed that you have had the experiences and education to be able to make your own well-informed decisions (especially in regards to your own body), and so I'm not going to tell other adults what they can and cannot do to themselves. If they want my opinion, I'll give it to them... but that's not the same as me asking for a law to be passed forbidding them from being able to try something in the privacy of their own home, where it doesn't ever affect me.
And "correlation not necessarily implying causation" is not crap. It's an important reference and fallacy relating to statistics and mathematics that people often overlook. And as a math educator, I point it out whenever someone falls victim to it. Here's an example:
There's a strong positive correlation between going to bed with your shoes on and waking up in the morning with a headache. Does that mean if you keep your shoes on when you sleep, you'll wake up with a migraine?
Of course not. The reason for such a correlation is because of the lurking variable affecting both of these things: heavy doses of alcohol. It's not the case that sleeping with your shoes on causes headaches, in the same way that smoking pot causes kids to go do violent crimes. However, there may very well be a lurking variable there as well, which leads to both drugs and violent crimes. How about gangs? How about broken homes? How about low socioeconomic status, pre-existing violent behavior, and a lack of education? Regardless, the fact that two things seem to have an association with one another does not necessarily mean that one thing causes another to occur. Correlation does not imply causation.
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On October 23 2012 02:05 neggro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 01:58 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 01:53 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 01:51 heliusx wrote:On October 23 2012 01:48 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 01:44 heliusx wrote:On October 23 2012 01:39 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 01:22 heliusx wrote:On October 23 2012 01:16 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 01:13 Nizaris wrote:
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positive to drugs or positive to MJ ? No1 said anything about making crack legal. marijuana I mean. These are juveniles who normally smoke a joint before doing stupid shit. What do you mean no one? Every one here wants to legalize it. Everyone wants to legalize crack cocaine? That statement is about as believable as 80% of people who do crimes test for marijuana. I was talking about marijuana sir. This is a marijuana thread after all. On October 23 2012 01:16 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 01:13 Nizaris wrote:On October 23 2012 01:12 neggro wrote:
There is a reason marijuana is illegal in the US. Hardcore statistic: In my 2 years in the police force, 80% of all the juvenile crimes are done by people who test positive to drugs.
ILLEGAL positive to drugs or positive to MJ ? No1 said anything about making crack legal. marijuana I mean. These are juveniles who normally smoke a joint before doing stupid shit. What do you mean no one? Every one here wants to legalize it. Maybe you should read what you're responding to then? He says no one said anything about making crack legal. You replied "what do you mean no one? everyone here wants to legalize it." Did you at any time attend school? The thread as the title clearly suggests is about marijuana. Therefore when I said everyone here wants to legalize "it", "it" means marijuana, proven by the fact that indeed majority voted to legalize marijuana in the polls. He just wanted to mislead the discussion. You both talk to each other since you seem to have the same purpose. You know sometimes when people try to insult me I get angry. But when it comes from someone who literally doesn't understand some of the terms he is using how can I be upset. It's really just ironic. tMomiji above you just gave you a free lesson. Thank him. Oh, my...it's just an opinion and a theory is all; you'll make me blush and then get all self-important when really I'm just trying to look at both sides of the issue without being biased; last time I got into a nasty fight when I discussed this, so... Edit: That is, both sides of the criminal issue. If you want to talk about medicine I unfortunately am completely biased on that issue because like I said I can't stand the abuse of legal drugs... I understand you, I'm very open minded. I'm just pointing out to him that correlation is sometimes causation, as you explained.
Oh yes, sometimes, but I don't think marijuana causes kids to commit crimes - that just doesn't add up. However kids who are already committing crimes getting into marijuana makes perfect sense since they are already doing illegal activities, one more most likely wouldn't matter. Also it's apparently a relaxant and I assume kids who are committing crimes don't have the greatest lives (most of the time) and would want to relax and relieve tension. So basically I think the correlation equals causation is true in this case but the cause isn't what people think it is. The already-present crime seems to be the cause; not the marijuana.
AGAIN it's just an opinion and theory! Must I write it in red in big letters on my forehead. XD Disclaimer: THIS IS A THEORY.
Also, there's a difference between implying causation and equaling causation. Correlation always IMPLIES causation. One can imply something but that doesn't mean that something is necessarily true. Just because correlation implies causation, however, does not mean it EQUALS causation.
Just to clear up word definitions because I'm pedantic like that. Ahahaha.
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On October 23 2012 02:10 tMomiji wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 02:05 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 01:58 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 01:53 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 01:51 heliusx wrote:On October 23 2012 01:48 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 01:44 heliusx wrote:On October 23 2012 01:39 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 01:22 heliusx wrote:On October 23 2012 01:16 neggro wrote:
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marijuana I mean. These are juveniles who normally smoke a joint before doing stupid shit. What do you mean no one? Every one here wants to legalize it. Everyone wants to legalize crack cocaine? That statement is about as believable as 80% of people who do crimes test for marijuana. I was talking about marijuana sir. This is a marijuana thread after all. On October 23 2012 01:16 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 01:13 Nizaris wrote:On October 23 2012 01:12 neggro wrote:
There is a reason marijuana is illegal in the US. Hardcore statistic: In my 2 years in the police force, 80% of all the juvenile crimes are done by people who test positive to drugs.
ILLEGAL positive to drugs or positive to MJ ? No1 said anything about making crack legal. marijuana I mean. These are juveniles who normally smoke a joint before doing stupid shit. What do you mean no one? Every one here wants to legalize it. Maybe you should read what you're responding to then? He says no one said anything about making crack legal. You replied "what do you mean no one? everyone here wants to legalize it." Did you at any time attend school? The thread as the title clearly suggests is about marijuana. Therefore when I said everyone here wants to legalize "it", "it" means marijuana, proven by the fact that indeed majority voted to legalize marijuana in the polls. He just wanted to mislead the discussion. You both talk to each other since you seem to have the same purpose. You know sometimes when people try to insult me I get angry. But when it comes from someone who literally doesn't understand some of the terms he is using how can I be upset. It's really just ironic. tMomiji above you just gave you a free lesson. Thank him. Oh, my...it's just an opinion and a theory is all; you'll make me blush and then get all self-important when really I'm just trying to look at both sides of the issue without being biased; last time I got into a nasty fight when I discussed this, so... Edit: That is, both sides of the criminal issue. If you want to talk about medicine I unfortunately am completely biased on that issue because like I said I can't stand the abuse of legal drugs... I understand you, I'm very open minded. I'm just pointing out to him that correlation is sometimes causation, as you explained. Oh yes, sometimes, but I don't think marijuana causes kids to commit crimes - that just doesn't add up. However kids who are already committing crimes getting into marijuana makes perfect sense since they are already doing illegal activities, one more most likely wouldn't matter. Also it's apparently a relaxant and I assume kids who are committing crimes don't have the greatest lives (most of the time) and would want to relax and relieve tension. So basically I think the correlation equals causation is true in this case but the cause isn't what people think it is. The already-present crime seems to be the cause; not the marijuana. AGAIN it's just an opinion and theory! Must I write it in red in big letters on my forehead. XD
It doesn't have to be you who says it either. Any one who says correlation is sometimes causation is correct. Otherwise, the whole point of proving something becomes impossibly difficult. A simple example, you will need to freeze all water in the world at 0 degrees centigrade to know for sure that water freezes at 0 degrees centigrade.
correlation is sometimes causation.
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On October 23 2012 02:21 neggro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 02:10 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 02:05 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 01:58 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 01:53 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 01:51 heliusx wrote:On October 23 2012 01:48 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 01:44 heliusx wrote:On October 23 2012 01:39 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 01:22 heliusx wrote:
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Everyone wants to legalize crack cocaine? That statement is about as believable as 80% of people who do crimes test for marijuana. I was talking about marijuana sir. This is a marijuana thread after all. On October 23 2012 01:16 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 01:13 Nizaris wrote:
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positive to drugs or positive to MJ ? No1 said anything about making crack legal. marijuana I mean. These are juveniles who normally smoke a joint before doing stupid shit. What do you mean no one? Every one here wants to legalize it. Maybe you should read what you're responding to then? He says no one said anything about making crack legal. You replied "what do you mean no one? everyone here wants to legalize it." Did you at any time attend school? The thread as the title clearly suggests is about marijuana. Therefore when I said everyone here wants to legalize "it", "it" means marijuana, proven by the fact that indeed majority voted to legalize marijuana in the polls. He just wanted to mislead the discussion. You both talk to each other since you seem to have the same purpose. You know sometimes when people try to insult me I get angry. But when it comes from someone who literally doesn't understand some of the terms he is using how can I be upset. It's really just ironic. tMomiji above you just gave you a free lesson. Thank him. Oh, my...it's just an opinion and a theory is all; you'll make me blush and then get all self-important when really I'm just trying to look at both sides of the issue without being biased; last time I got into a nasty fight when I discussed this, so... Edit: That is, both sides of the criminal issue. If you want to talk about medicine I unfortunately am completely biased on that issue because like I said I can't stand the abuse of legal drugs... I understand you, I'm very open minded. I'm just pointing out to him that correlation is sometimes causation, as you explained. Oh yes, sometimes, but I don't think marijuana causes kids to commit crimes - that just doesn't add up. However kids who are already committing crimes getting into marijuana makes perfect sense since they are already doing illegal activities, one more most likely wouldn't matter. Also it's apparently a relaxant and I assume kids who are committing crimes don't have the greatest lives (most of the time) and would want to relax and relieve tension. So basically I think the correlation equals causation is true in this case but the cause isn't what people think it is. The already-present crime seems to be the cause; not the marijuana. AGAIN it's just an opinion and theory! Must I write it in red in big letters on my forehead. XD It doesn't have to be you who says it either. Any one who says correlation is sometimes causation is correct. Otherwise, the whole point of proving something becomes impossibly difficult. A simple example, you will need to freeze all water in the world at 0 degrees centigrade to know for sure that water freezes at 0 degrees centigrade. correlation is sometimes causation.
Uh huh! ...Wow this is taking the same direction that the Slayers disbanding thread is taking. That direction being: "The world is not black and white". ...Hmm, a statement to live by, I suppose~
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On October 23 2012 02:21 neggro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 02:10 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 02:05 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 01:58 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 01:53 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 01:51 heliusx wrote:On October 23 2012 01:48 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 01:44 heliusx wrote:On October 23 2012 01:39 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 01:22 heliusx wrote:
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Everyone wants to legalize crack cocaine? That statement is about as believable as 80% of people who do crimes test for marijuana. I was talking about marijuana sir. This is a marijuana thread after all. On October 23 2012 01:16 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 01:13 Nizaris wrote:
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positive to drugs or positive to MJ ? No1 said anything about making crack legal. marijuana I mean. These are juveniles who normally smoke a joint before doing stupid shit. What do you mean no one? Every one here wants to legalize it. Maybe you should read what you're responding to then? He says no one said anything about making crack legal. You replied "what do you mean no one? everyone here wants to legalize it." Did you at any time attend school? The thread as the title clearly suggests is about marijuana. Therefore when I said everyone here wants to legalize "it", "it" means marijuana, proven by the fact that indeed majority voted to legalize marijuana in the polls. He just wanted to mislead the discussion. You both talk to each other since you seem to have the same purpose. You know sometimes when people try to insult me I get angry. But when it comes from someone who literally doesn't understand some of the terms he is using how can I be upset. It's really just ironic. tMomiji above you just gave you a free lesson. Thank him. Oh, my...it's just an opinion and a theory is all; you'll make me blush and then get all self-important when really I'm just trying to look at both sides of the issue without being biased; last time I got into a nasty fight when I discussed this, so... Edit: That is, both sides of the criminal issue. If you want to talk about medicine I unfortunately am completely biased on that issue because like I said I can't stand the abuse of legal drugs... I understand you, I'm very open minded. I'm just pointing out to him that correlation is sometimes causation, as you explained. Oh yes, sometimes, but I don't think marijuana causes kids to commit crimes - that just doesn't add up. However kids who are already committing crimes getting into marijuana makes perfect sense since they are already doing illegal activities, one more most likely wouldn't matter. Also it's apparently a relaxant and I assume kids who are committing crimes don't have the greatest lives (most of the time) and would want to relax and relieve tension. So basically I think the correlation equals causation is true in this case but the cause isn't what people think it is. The already-present crime seems to be the cause; not the marijuana. AGAIN it's just an opinion and theory! Must I write it in red in big letters on my forehead. XD It doesn't have to be you who says it either. Any one who says correlation is sometimes causation is correct. Otherwise, the whole point of proving something becomes impossibly difficult. A simple example, you will need to freeze all water in the world at 0 degrees centigrade to know for sure that water freezes at 0 degrees centigrade. correlation is sometimes causation.
There is a solution to this.
You are correct on some account.
Yes, correlation is sometimes causation, but only or mostly in the positivist realm where model building is easy since the variables and the reaction tend to be the con.sistent This also explains your "water" example. Water in Belgium will generally behave in a similar manner to water in Nicaragua and they will both freeze and boil at 0 and 100 degrees C respectively. On the other hand, in matters that are social in nature, meaning they involve humans and human interaction, there is inherent difficulty in elevating correlation as causation simply because the variables change from one person to another, from one condition to another. It is true what another one said earlier though, to which you agreed also, that while it is not definitive, it should be grounds for further investigation.
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On October 23 2012 02:30 AUFKLARUNG wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 02:21 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 02:10 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 02:05 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 01:58 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 01:53 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 01:51 heliusx wrote:On October 23 2012 01:48 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 01:44 heliusx wrote:On October 23 2012 01:39 neggro wrote:
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I was talking about marijuana sir. This is a marijuana thread after all. On October 23 2012 01:16 neggro wrote:
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marijuana I mean. These are juveniles who normally smoke a joint before doing stupid shit. What do you mean no one? Every one here wants to legalize it. Maybe you should read what you're responding to then? He says no one said anything about making crack legal. You replied "what do you mean no one? everyone here wants to legalize it." Did you at any time attend school? The thread as the title clearly suggests is about marijuana. Therefore when I said everyone here wants to legalize "it", "it" means marijuana, proven by the fact that indeed majority voted to legalize marijuana in the polls. He just wanted to mislead the discussion. You both talk to each other since you seem to have the same purpose. You know sometimes when people try to insult me I get angry. But when it comes from someone who literally doesn't understand some of the terms he is using how can I be upset. It's really just ironic. tMomiji above you just gave you a free lesson. Thank him. Oh, my...it's just an opinion and a theory is all; you'll make me blush and then get all self-important when really I'm just trying to look at both sides of the issue without being biased; last time I got into a nasty fight when I discussed this, so... Edit: That is, both sides of the criminal issue. If you want to talk about medicine I unfortunately am completely biased on that issue because like I said I can't stand the abuse of legal drugs... I understand you, I'm very open minded. I'm just pointing out to him that correlation is sometimes causation, as you explained. Oh yes, sometimes, but I don't think marijuana causes kids to commit crimes - that just doesn't add up. However kids who are already committing crimes getting into marijuana makes perfect sense since they are already doing illegal activities, one more most likely wouldn't matter. Also it's apparently a relaxant and I assume kids who are committing crimes don't have the greatest lives (most of the time) and would want to relax and relieve tension. So basically I think the correlation equals causation is true in this case but the cause isn't what people think it is. The already-present crime seems to be the cause; not the marijuana. AGAIN it's just an opinion and theory! Must I write it in red in big letters on my forehead. XD It doesn't have to be you who says it either. Any one who says correlation is sometimes causation is correct. Otherwise, the whole point of proving something becomes impossibly difficult. A simple example, you will need to freeze all water in the world at 0 degrees centigrade to know for sure that water freezes at 0 degrees centigrade. correlation is sometimes causation. There is a solution to this. You are correct on some account. Yes, correlation is sometimes causation, but only or mostly in the positivist realm where model building is easy since the variables and the reaction tend to be the same. This also explains your "water" example. On the other hand, in matters that are social in nature, meaning they involve humans and human interaction, there is inherent difficulty in elevating correlation as causation simply because the variables change from one person to another, from one condition to another. It is true what another one said earlier though, to which you agreed also, that while it is not definitive, it should be grounds for further investigation.
:D Exactly!! That's what I was trying to say, I just couldn't spit it out as clearly.
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On October 23 2012 02:30 AUFKLARUNG wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 02:21 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 02:10 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 02:05 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 01:58 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 01:53 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 01:51 heliusx wrote:On October 23 2012 01:48 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 01:44 heliusx wrote:On October 23 2012 01:39 neggro wrote:
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I was talking about marijuana sir. This is a marijuana thread after all. On October 23 2012 01:16 neggro wrote:
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marijuana I mean. These are juveniles who normally smoke a joint before doing stupid shit. What do you mean no one? Every one here wants to legalize it. Maybe you should read what you're responding to then? He says no one said anything about making crack legal. You replied "what do you mean no one? everyone here wants to legalize it." Did you at any time attend school? The thread as the title clearly suggests is about marijuana. Therefore when I said everyone here wants to legalize "it", "it" means marijuana, proven by the fact that indeed majority voted to legalize marijuana in the polls. He just wanted to mislead the discussion. You both talk to each other since you seem to have the same purpose. You know sometimes when people try to insult me I get angry. But when it comes from someone who literally doesn't understand some of the terms he is using how can I be upset. It's really just ironic. tMomiji above you just gave you a free lesson. Thank him. Oh, my...it's just an opinion and a theory is all; you'll make me blush and then get all self-important when really I'm just trying to look at both sides of the issue without being biased; last time I got into a nasty fight when I discussed this, so... Edit: That is, both sides of the criminal issue. If you want to talk about medicine I unfortunately am completely biased on that issue because like I said I can't stand the abuse of legal drugs... I understand you, I'm very open minded. I'm just pointing out to him that correlation is sometimes causation, as you explained. Oh yes, sometimes, but I don't think marijuana causes kids to commit crimes - that just doesn't add up. However kids who are already committing crimes getting into marijuana makes perfect sense since they are already doing illegal activities, one more most likely wouldn't matter. Also it's apparently a relaxant and I assume kids who are committing crimes don't have the greatest lives (most of the time) and would want to relax and relieve tension. So basically I think the correlation equals causation is true in this case but the cause isn't what people think it is. The already-present crime seems to be the cause; not the marijuana. AGAIN it's just an opinion and theory! Must I write it in red in big letters on my forehead. XD It doesn't have to be you who says it either. Any one who says correlation is sometimes causation is correct. Otherwise, the whole point of proving something becomes impossibly difficult. A simple example, you will need to freeze all water in the world at 0 degrees centigrade to know for sure that water freezes at 0 degrees centigrade. correlation is sometimes causation. There is a solution to this. You are correct on some account. Yes, correlation is sometimes causation, but only or mostly in the positivist realm where model building is easy since the variables and the reaction tend to be the con.sistent This also explains your "water" example. Water in Belgium will generally behave in a similar manner to water in Nicaragua and they will both freeze and boil at 0 and 100 degrees C respectively. On the other hand, in matters that are social in nature, meaning they involve humans and human interaction, there is inherent difficulty in elevating correlation as causation simply because the variables change from one person to another, from one condition to another. It is true what another one said earlier though, to which you agreed also, that while it is not definitive, it should be grounds for further investigation.
I see your point. Let us use another example. Do we need to test 100, 1million, or every people and make them drink soda every day for 1 year to see if it causes obesity? Or can we just conclude that there is correlation to soda and obesity bot not causation?
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On October 23 2012 02:35 neggro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 02:30 AUFKLARUNG wrote:On October 23 2012 02:21 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 02:10 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 02:05 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 01:58 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 01:53 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 01:51 heliusx wrote:On October 23 2012 01:48 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 01:44 heliusx wrote:
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Maybe you should read what you're responding to then? He says no one said anything about making crack legal. You replied "what do you mean no one? everyone here wants to legalize it." Did you at any time attend school? The thread as the title clearly suggests is about marijuana. Therefore when I said everyone here wants to legalize "it", "it" means marijuana, proven by the fact that indeed majority voted to legalize marijuana in the polls. He just wanted to mislead the discussion. You both talk to each other since you seem to have the same purpose. You know sometimes when people try to insult me I get angry. But when it comes from someone who literally doesn't understand some of the terms he is using how can I be upset. It's really just ironic. tMomiji above you just gave you a free lesson. Thank him. Oh, my...it's just an opinion and a theory is all; you'll make me blush and then get all self-important when really I'm just trying to look at both sides of the issue without being biased; last time I got into a nasty fight when I discussed this, so... Edit: That is, both sides of the criminal issue. If you want to talk about medicine I unfortunately am completely biased on that issue because like I said I can't stand the abuse of legal drugs... I understand you, I'm very open minded. I'm just pointing out to him that correlation is sometimes causation, as you explained. Oh yes, sometimes, but I don't think marijuana causes kids to commit crimes - that just doesn't add up. However kids who are already committing crimes getting into marijuana makes perfect sense since they are already doing illegal activities, one more most likely wouldn't matter. Also it's apparently a relaxant and I assume kids who are committing crimes don't have the greatest lives (most of the time) and would want to relax and relieve tension. So basically I think the correlation equals causation is true in this case but the cause isn't what people think it is. The already-present crime seems to be the cause; not the marijuana. AGAIN it's just an opinion and theory! Must I write it in red in big letters on my forehead. XD It doesn't have to be you who says it either. Any one who says correlation is sometimes causation is correct. Otherwise, the whole point of proving something becomes impossibly difficult. A simple example, you will need to freeze all water in the world at 0 degrees centigrade to know for sure that water freezes at 0 degrees centigrade. correlation is sometimes causation. There is a solution to this. You are correct on some account. Yes, correlation is sometimes causation, but only or mostly in the positivist realm where model building is easy since the variables and the reaction tend to be the con.sistent This also explains your "water" example. Water in Belgium will generally behave in a similar manner to water in Nicaragua and they will both freeze and boil at 0 and 100 degrees C respectively. On the other hand, in matters that are social in nature, meaning they involve humans and human interaction, there is inherent difficulty in elevating correlation as causation simply because the variables change from one person to another, from one condition to another. It is true what another one said earlier though, to which you agreed also, that while it is not definitive, it should be grounds for further investigation. I see your point. Let us use another example. Do we need to test 100, 1million, or every people and make them drink soda every day for 1 year to see if it causes obesity? Or can we just conclude that there is correlation to soda and obesity bot not causation?
While your examples involves humans, it involves physical properties of human and not social, although there may be some of that also involved here. The only thing to study here is the effect on soda on the body, which can be done independently. It can as well be reinforced by a thorough study of people with obesity. There are many more approaches to arrive at a definite conclusion on this one. But the factors here are not social in nature.
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On October 23 2012 02:44 AUFKLARUNG wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 02:35 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 02:30 AUFKLARUNG wrote:On October 23 2012 02:21 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 02:10 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 02:05 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 01:58 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 01:53 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 01:51 heliusx wrote:On October 23 2012 01:48 neggro wrote:
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Did you at any time attend school? The thread as the title clearly suggests is about marijuana. Therefore when I said everyone here wants to legalize "it", "it" means marijuana, proven by the fact that indeed majority voted to legalize marijuana in the polls. He just wanted to mislead the discussion. You both talk to each other since you seem to have the same purpose. You know sometimes when people try to insult me I get angry. But when it comes from someone who literally doesn't understand some of the terms he is using how can I be upset. It's really just ironic. tMomiji above you just gave you a free lesson. Thank him. Oh, my...it's just an opinion and a theory is all; you'll make me blush and then get all self-important when really I'm just trying to look at both sides of the issue without being biased; last time I got into a nasty fight when I discussed this, so... Edit: That is, both sides of the criminal issue. If you want to talk about medicine I unfortunately am completely biased on that issue because like I said I can't stand the abuse of legal drugs... I understand you, I'm very open minded. I'm just pointing out to him that correlation is sometimes causation, as you explained. Oh yes, sometimes, but I don't think marijuana causes kids to commit crimes - that just doesn't add up. However kids who are already committing crimes getting into marijuana makes perfect sense since they are already doing illegal activities, one more most likely wouldn't matter. Also it's apparently a relaxant and I assume kids who are committing crimes don't have the greatest lives (most of the time) and would want to relax and relieve tension. So basically I think the correlation equals causation is true in this case but the cause isn't what people think it is. The already-present crime seems to be the cause; not the marijuana. AGAIN it's just an opinion and theory! Must I write it in red in big letters on my forehead. XD It doesn't have to be you who says it either. Any one who says correlation is sometimes causation is correct. Otherwise, the whole point of proving something becomes impossibly difficult. A simple example, you will need to freeze all water in the world at 0 degrees centigrade to know for sure that water freezes at 0 degrees centigrade. correlation is sometimes causation. There is a solution to this. You are correct on some account. Yes, correlation is sometimes causation, but only or mostly in the positivist realm where model building is easy since the variables and the reaction tend to be the con.sistent This also explains your "water" example. Water in Belgium will generally behave in a similar manner to water in Nicaragua and they will both freeze and boil at 0 and 100 degrees C respectively. On the other hand, in matters that are social in nature, meaning they involve humans and human interaction, there is inherent difficulty in elevating correlation as causation simply because the variables change from one person to another, from one condition to another. It is true what another one said earlier though, to which you agreed also, that while it is not definitive, it should be grounds for further investigation. I see your point. Let us use another example. Do we need to test 100, 1million, or every people and make them drink soda every day for 1 year to see if it causes obesity? Or can we just conclude that there is correlation to soda and obesity bot not causation? While your examples involves humans, it involves physical properties of human and not social, although there may be some of that also involved here. The only thing to study here is the effect on soda on the body, which can be done independently. It can as well be reinforced by a thorough study of people with obesity. There are many more approaches to arrive at a definite conclusion on this one. But the factors here are not social in nature.
I see. Ok I'll think about it, but this is enough from me here for now.
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i think your misleading yourself. what makes something more likely to have a causal effect with correlation is that there are more controlled variables. with marijuana, there are many uncontrolled variables that affect your argument, like social and economic status. the fact that you have to break the law to smoke marijuana and commit crimes commits bias, since your samples wont be as diverse as the population. with something like soda, there is evidence for ever kind of person that it is associated with becoming fat. the argument this entire argument is based, the one that because 80% of people committing crimes does drugs means there is a causal link between marijuana and crimes, on is flawed, and i want you to know that.
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On October 23 2012 02:02 ODK wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 01:30 Bolty wrote:On October 23 2012 01:12 neggro wrote:
There is a reason marijuana is illegal in the US. Hardcore statistic: In my 2 years in the police force, 80% of all the juvenile crimes are done by people who test positive to drugs.
ILLEGAL ....I don't know what I can and can't say on this forum, heard the moderators can be quite nazi at times. But you sir are part of the invisible cancer in our society. Perpetuating this establishment, protecting it with your guns. I despise you. Of course criminal youths turn to drugs, it's obvious. They feel like their lives are more or less forfeit, they have no place in society and everything is pointless. Why not do drugs in that situation? Everyone would. You too my disgusting little piggie. You never once stopped to think why you arrest people do you? Why these young criminals exist, and why they turn to drugs? Society turned their backs on them! This system of money is like a game of musical chairs, there ain't enough for everybody and you have to be sneaky, fast or have sharp elbows to win. Those people who are born with a sense of empathy and enjoy seeing other people happy? You know, good people? They don't get rich because they realize that they have to step on their fellow men to do so. And what do you do? You hunt them, instead of helping them. Why? No profit in helping them. You are the invisible hand, as described by Adam Smith. It's your job to make sure the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor. And you don't even know it. Do yourself a favor, stop being a cop. Maybe there's still time for you to do some actual good in this world. Worth it. You are fucking right, Sir!
Thanks. It warms my heart to know I'm not alone in the world. I like how neggro infests this thread with asinine comments and yet ignores me completely. Standard American model of deflecting and ignoring opponents. And he calls himself open minded. Funny.
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On October 23 2012 02:59 Bolty wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 02:02 ODK wrote:On October 23 2012 01:30 Bolty wrote:On October 23 2012 01:12 neggro wrote:
There is a reason marijuana is illegal in the US. Hardcore statistic: In my 2 years in the police force, 80% of all the juvenile crimes are done by people who test positive to drugs.
ILLEGAL ....I don't know what I can and can't say on this forum, heard the moderators can be quite nazi at times. But you sir are part of the invisible cancer in our society. Perpetuating this establishment, protecting it with your guns. I despise you. Of course criminal youths turn to drugs, it's obvious. They feel like their lives are more or less forfeit, they have no place in society and everything is pointless. Why not do drugs in that situation? Everyone would. You too my disgusting little piggie. You never once stopped to think why you arrest people do you? Why these young criminals exist, and why they turn to drugs? Society turned their backs on them! This system of money is like a game of musical chairs, there ain't enough for everybody and you have to be sneaky, fast or have sharp elbows to win. Those people who are born with a sense of empathy and enjoy seeing other people happy? You know, good people? They don't get rich because they realize that they have to step on their fellow men to do so. And what do you do? You hunt them, instead of helping them. Why? No profit in helping them. You are the invisible hand, as described by Adam Smith. It's your job to make sure the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor. And you don't even know it. Do yourself a favor, stop being a cop. Maybe there's still time for you to do some actual good in this world. Worth it. You are fucking right, Sir! Thanks. It warms my heart to know I'm not alone in the world. I like how neggro infests this thread with asinine comments and yet ignores me completely. Standard American model of deflecting and ignoring opponents. And he calls himself open minded. Funny.
And generalizing Americans is what, not asinine? Just because Mr. Kettle argues poorly doesn't mean Mr. Pot isn't a dick when he stereotypes like a Westboro Baptist.
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On October 23 2012 02:03 neggro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 01:57 n0ise wrote:On October 23 2012 01:51 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 01:46 heliusx wrote:On October 23 2012 01:44 neggro wrote:On October 23 2012 01:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 23 2012 01:12 neggro wrote:
There is a reason marijuana is illegal in the US. Hardcore statistic: In my 2 years in the police force, 80% of all the juvenile crimes are done by people who test positive to drugs.
ILLEGAL Just because some criminals also smoke pot doesn't mean that the pot is the cause of the other- more dangerous- crimes. To think so is to forget that correlation does not imply causation. Drugs and violence are often found together, but that doesn't mean that "good" people are incapable of handling themselves in the presence of marijuana (which isn't nearly as dangerous as other drugs). This correlation is not causation crap people say in the internet is absurd. What is there to think about kids, some as young as 10 years old, smoking weed and doing crime? Should we know conclude that coke does not contribute to the obesity of people who drink it everyday. How much evidence do you need to prove causation from correlation? Gosh, do you honestly believe smoking pot makes people more likely to do crime? If not wtf are you arguing? Are you confused about what correlation does not equal causation means? If 80% is not enough by personal experience and official record, what then? Should we test all children and make then smoke pot and see if there is any correlation bullshit to prove the point. Some of you need to be awakened to real life and stop dreaming that life is all the rainbows and unicorns you learn in your philosophy classes. links, etc, where are these records? can you please explain why you think one would take kind of a 'downer' and go about doing crime? Or is it more an 'environment' issue, case in which legalising it would actually make sense? Or are you just saying that 80% of kids arrested are arrested for consuming/possesion, hence 80% of kids arrested are drug-related crimes? lolo Asking all these since we already established pot, crack etc are just words for you and you don't really seem to know what you're talking about Go to your nearest police station and look it up. What? You want to be spoon fed now?
The f are you talking about? I forgot to tell you, I'm also a policeman and 80% of crimes today are related to donkeys making silly claims on the internet.
My questions to you were a way to establish if you know the difference between 'pot', 'crack', how people act, effects, you know, shit that probably is crucial in your job if you actually have to deal with this stuff regularly. But that's garbage yo, keep being a smart ass online and tell us how weed encourages crime, cos, you know, you said you were police on the internet and you have the stats, sooo, it must be true. You're like a scientist, basically.
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