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RaelSan
Belgium223 Posts
On October 21 2012 18:34 Le Cheque Zo wrote: Illegal. It has harmful health effects (smoke and lung) and people on drugs become irrational and unnecessarily aggressive. People smoking weed are really agressive lol. You must know a lot about this subject ! | ||
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Marcus420
Canada1923 Posts
Id love to see booze and cigarettes illegal tho... considering they will do more damage than smoking weed EVER will. | ||
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Lanfire
Netherlands151 Posts
On October 21 2012 20:41 Marcus420 wrote: Marijuana should be legal because alcohol and cigarettes are legal. Id love to see booze and cigarettes illegal tho... considering they will do more damage than smoking weed EVER will. there is nothing wrong with drinking a glass of whine everyday. Booze is not by definition unhealthy. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
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anonymousmale
Canada2 Posts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addiction http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disease_model_of_addiction http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2011/08/16/is-addiction-simply-a-brain-disease-it-is-now/ http://www.addictionsandrecovery.org/is-addiction-a-disease.htm http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/understanding-drug-abuse-addiction this is just a little, tiny, super small amount of info. just use google to search for, addiction, disease of addiction, is addiction a disease, etc.. it is a disease, ive learned this from a professional doctor during my stay at a treatment center. there are such things as behavioural addictions. Eating, working, exercising, restricting, purging, gaming. sex, list goes on. i haven't learned much about behavioural addictions. marijuana should not be legalized from where i stand. it is a drug | ||
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Creager
Germany1923 Posts
Here in Germany super markets sell wine in so-called "Tetrapacks" for pretty much nothing so e.g. homeless people or people on welfare still can afford to get their fix... Also if alcohol was criminalized their would be a tremendous decrease in assaults under alcoholic influence (prohibition of drinking in public transport is getting popular, but still doesn't prevent anything)... I can just speak for myself here, but I have NEVER EVER seen anyone beating the shit out of someone without a reason while high on weed... And trust me, I'm a professional here  | ||
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Marcus420
Canada1923 Posts
On October 21 2012 20:45 Lanfire wrote: there is nothing wrong with drinking a glass of whine everyday. Booze is not by definition unhealthy. Nothing wrong with smoking a joint, or smoking a bowl everyday too. On October 21 2012 20:53 anonymousmale wrote: this is just a suggestion to read. its not enough info on "the disease of addiction", but its better than nothing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addiction http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disease_model_of_addiction http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2011/08/16/is-addiction-simply-a-brain-disease-it-is-now/ http://www.addictionsandrecovery.org/is-addiction-a-disease.htm http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/understanding-drug-abuse-addiction this is just a little, tiny, super small amount of info. just use google to search for, addiction, disease of addiction, is addiction a disease, etc.. it is a disease, ive learned this from a professional doctor during my stay at a treatment center. there are such things as behavioural addictions. Eating, working, exercising, restricting, purging, gaming. sex, list goes on. i haven't learned much about behavioural addictions. marijuana should not be legalized from where i stand. it is a drug Alcohol is a drug. I really dont need to say anything about how its addictive aswell. | ||
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Arkless
Canada1547 Posts
On October 21 2012 18:26 Probe1 wrote: Yes it is. Smoking 3-4 unfiltered cigarettes a day is also like smoking 20 or more filtered cigarettes. Cannabis contains far more carcinogens than tobacco. I've smoked pot for over 10 years and I support legalization but please, don't try to blow smoke up my ass. It's cancerous. Could you site some sources? It in no way shape or form contains the same amount of carinogens then tobacco with its it 591 added chemicals. Not even close. Sorry homie On October 21 2012 20:55 Marcus420 wrote: Nothing wrong with smoking a joint, or smoking a bowl everyday too. Alcohol is a drug. I really dont need to say anything about how its addictive aswell. Anything is addictive, god damn cheeseburgers are killing the usa. Due to food addictions, should we make them illegal as well? It's like this, weed has killed 0 people, ever. (not including someone getting shot over it, etc) Falling coconuts kill something like 9 people annually, so in short. Weed, safer than coconuts. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
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SirGlinG
Sweden933 Posts
For some users, perhaps as many as 10 per cent, cannabis leads to psychological dependence, but there is scant evidence that it carries a risk of true addiction. Unlike cigarette smokers, most users do not take the drug on a daily basis, and usually abandon it in their twenties or thirties. Is true addiction a accepted term for this? I understand the point if it means not physically addicted as the body becomes towards Nicotine. But it makes me sad that people would call it true as in making the opposite "untrue". It's very much an addiction when it's psychological as well and it is true when it is a addiction. There's another important point which I missed among yours. From a swedish newspaper based on studies from a psychologist specialising on cannabis effects on the brain. I did a google translte beneath here on a part I find important, talking about how a long use of it slows down the development of your brain. + Show Spoiler + - Also erodes cannabis you as emotional individual, says Thomas Lundqvist. Do you take cannabis you strengthen not the nice moments in life, there will be no careful processing of impressions. You get a "Teflon brain." That one is "stupid" to smoke hashish were many who discovered during the 60th century hippievåg, the drug became popular. Recent American studies now confirm that cannabis can cause permanent damage to the cognitive (cognitive) abilities. Cannabinoids reduce activity in the parts of the brain that coordinates the mind functions we need to cope with everyday life. Cannabis can disrupt working memory (the memory that enables us to keep the information current for a short time) and episodic memory (memory for self-knowledge). The cognitive effects of cannabis are different depending on how often and how long you used it. In the beginning most affected working memory, resulting in disruptions in concentration, attention and the ability to store and process new information. A long-term abuse impairs the ability to plan, interpret others' motives and opinions, and manage complex information. The addict may be difficult to find words difficult to understand what others say and difficult to estimate the time. He / she does not understand the cause of the mistake, forget contracts, review becomes impaired and thought paths constantly interrupted. Most people who smoke pot stop just because they discover that they are stupid, according to Thomas Lundqvist. - They discover that they are losing control of his intellect. http://www.dn.se/insidan/insidan-hem/cannabis-gor-dig-kanslomassigt-urholkad I smoke Mariujana and I enjoy it very much. I started doing it with some old friends of mine. They did it to escape from problems. I did it when I was in a good mood and wanted it to become a even better one. One of them became so used to the paranoid part which the drug can give you that he stayed paranoid even when he didn't smoke. Another one of them is completely hidden from the world. He goes to work, comes home, doesn't answer his phone when it calls and shows up in the weekend as drunkasaurus rex. (drugs as escapist use has done a part in this social development of his). I get high a couple of times a year and still use it after the same rules I mentioned before. I miss critical points against maruijana in your post. I understand that when a person is for legalisation he doesn't want to go deep into that, but I think that one still could be for legalisation while watching all the negative effects it can have. Those two friends of mine. They could have looked for help if maruijana abuse wasn't stigmatised and tabooed. Their families could have been understanding about if they had learnt about the drug. Abuse of the drug has decreased in Holland after it became legalised. Today around 50% of Denmark are open for legalisation after around 20 years of Christiania existing. Before that around 5% were open for legalisation. So if people get to know the drug and not judge it from prejudice and short articles and Fox Newslike reportages. Then they open up to the idea. And people who end up in abuse could seek help because they wouldn't have to hide their abuse. | ||
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Arkless
Canada1547 Posts
On October 21 2012 20:59 Probe1 wrote: Read the thread. I did, you mean your post. Where it says [...]Cannabis smoke contains cannabinoids whereas tobacco smoke contains nicotine. Available scientific data, that examines the carcinogenic properties of inhaling smoke and its biological consequences, suggests reasons why tobacco smoke, but not cannabis smoke, may result in lung cancer. and.... furthermore, compounds found in cannabis have been shown to kill numerous cancer types including: lung cancer [9], breast and prostate [10], leukemia and lymphoma [11], glioma [12], skin cancer [13], and pheochromocytoma [14]. The effects of cannabinoids are complex and sometimes contradicting, often exhibiting biphasic responses. For example, in contrast to the tumor killing properties mentioned above, low doses of THC may stimulate the growth of lung cancer cells in vitro MAY stimulate, is not WILL stimulate. Black and white man, concrete proven facts. Not here say, and speculation. | ||
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anonymousmale
Canada2 Posts
On October 21 2012 20:55 Marcus420 wrote: Nothing wrong with smoking a joint, or smoking a bowl everyday too. Alcohol is a drug. I really dont need to say anything about how its addictive aswell. true, all drugs are drugs. the thing about the addict vs non addict. addict: once inhaled, craves physically, mental obsession reoccurs. non-addict: can use once, and leave it alone. suggestion: have you ever opened a bottle of booze and could not finish drinking until the night was done, craved more alcohol. then you are probably an addict. im no doctor and this is just one way of assessing yourself, which i never recommend any one without proper experience. my argument is on behalf of addict vs non addict facts. i luckily made it into a 28 day treatment program for drug abuse, in which one of my drug of choices was marijuana, some people there were just strictly addicted to marijuana. its not about the health facts for me, its about the disease of addiction. this disease is genetic, we are born with it, it does not have to be inherited from our parents directly. | ||
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Arkless
Canada1547 Posts
On October 21 2012 20:30 Probe1 wrote: I think there is a case to be made that it contains more carcinogens but nicotine binds with receptors while cannabinoids do not which directly increases the amount of carcinogens absorbed and RR of lung cancer. So you could qualify an erroneous statement that cannabis contains more carcinogens however you'd still be wrong if you were trying to argue cancer rates. Of course there are not enough studies and almost no long term studies. Which makes it a difficult thing to argue definitively for either side. I agree with you, cannabis is less harmful than tobacco. Show me the science then, because I have never seen anything to suggest that marijuana contains more carcinogens than a cigg. And no, I'm not wrong. No one has gotten cancer from Marijuana consumption alone, ever. Please either show us some hard science, or stop speculating. Watch a doc called "The Union" if you'd like some more of your fallacy's debunked. You'd be surprised what old wives tales that would be put to rest for ya in the first 10 minutes. | ||
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Weson
Iceland1032 Posts
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Arkless
Canada1547 Posts
On October 21 2012 21:17 Weson wrote: Illegal. Because of the awful smell. You'll probably find yourself in the minority there. Even most people that dont smoke say they love the smell. Shit, even my granny loves the smell. And she thinks weeds the devil. | ||
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Grimmyman123
Canada939 Posts
I beleive in free speech, and the freedom of opinion. I don't even really care what happens in your own home. TL's is a pretty open discussion forum. However: Why does TL permit discussion regarding the use, trafficing, distribution, and promotion of the use of a drug which is criminally illigal in most countries around the world? This is not the first thread regarding the subject. I won't even get into if MJ should be legal or not, why, etc etc. I don't care. This thread is one of many that simply tries to justify why an illigal drug should not be, and further discusses use, trafficing, distribution etc etc. | ||
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Alala-P
34 Posts
On October 21 2012 18:51 eu.exodus wrote: okay so having a low IQ score is related to weed use? How do they know that those people aren't just below average? And how does that justify it being illegal? I know a so many stupid people that don't drink or smoke weed. What should we do about them? http://www.pnas.org/content/109/40/E2657.abstract?sid=4fd1c60d-debe-4446-9b04-7f859aa838e9 all the info is there. That's just the abstract but I think you can find the full study on pnas.org | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
I had an ostensive series of posts with someone and if you cannot read them and find the answers you are asking, then I cannot help you. | ||
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mdb
Bulgaria4059 Posts
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Arkless
Canada1547 Posts
On October 21 2012 21:28 Probe1 wrote: Dude I'm not relinking the very things I linked because you were too lazy to click on the sources. I'm not here to convince you of the validity of research. I believe the research is valid enough to merit further research and a general advisory that cannabis contains many carcinogens, moreso than tobacco. I had an ostensive series of posts with someone and if you cannot read them and find the answers you are asking, then I cannot help you. Dude, I read all your posts. Clicked on what few links you provided. Nothing you linked/posted backs up any of your claims, hence why I am asking for more sources. If you can't be bothered to back up your statements, then maybe you shouldn't be making blanket statements. | ||
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