EPTOn October 21 2012 19:13 Chriscras wrote:
Why even bother with vapor, just bake it into your favorite pastries <3
Why even bother with vapor, just bake it into your favorite pastries <3
Yeah or that but you have to use so much ;_;
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
Yeah or that but you have to use so much ;_; | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
On October 21 2012 19:11 sluggaslamoo wrote: Problems of smoke inhalation should not even be discussed, they are irrelevant, you can use a VAPORIZER. When the most common method of use is smoking. Cherry picking arguments for something illegal doesn't work. Ever. | ||
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a3den
704 Posts
On October 21 2012 17:41 JieXian wrote: Someday this guy should get a star for his OPs. Lives up to his name, though I have little knowledge on the topic I'm surprised France isn't in orange based on what my teacher told me. Edit oh wait reading wikipedia cleared it up France should be orange, yes. | ||
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Evilmystic
Russian Federation266 Posts
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Chaosvuistje
Netherlands2581 Posts
On October 21 2012 19:07 Le Cheque Zo wrote: No problem when we are drunk. In fact we have never fought even when we are stupid drunk. But when they smoke pot, they become monsters. But you have met angry drunks before right? Or is your own anecdotal evidence based only on your group of friends. Also, just out of curiousity. Have you been sober around stupidly drunk people before or were you drunk those times as well? Because I assume that you were sober when your friends were stoned out of their minds. Being sober around intoxicated people tends to effect your opinion a lot. Again, nothing against you personally. But I prefer ideologically consistant opinions over hardly-thought-over opinions based only on limited anecdotal evidence. | ||
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DOUDOU
Wales2940 Posts
On October 21 2012 17:59 ilbh wrote: I can't believe some people here really voted "illegalized" in the poll. I wonder if they put their "GOD HATE FAGS" sign aside or if they keep holding it up while voting. lol wow On October 21 2012 17:31 travis wrote: The primary reason marijuana isn't legal is that it makes people think critically. This isn't a comment on whether or not marijuana is a positive thing just my opinion on why it's illegal. Marijuana teaches many people to be more open minded and more capable of following trains of thought that they would otherwise dismiss. Again, just my opinion. wow it's like this thread is made to make sure marijuana never gets legalized | ||
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barth
Ireland1272 Posts
On October 21 2012 18:26 Probe1 wrote: Yes it is. Smoking 3-4 unfiltered cigarettes a day is also like smoking 20 or more filtered cigarettes. Cannabis contains far more carcinogens than tobacco. I've smoked pot for over 10 years and I support legalization but please, don't try to blow smoke up my ass. It's cancerous. Would you care to back this statement up? Smoking 18-24 cigarettes a day increases lung cancer risk 25-26 times. Doll, R. and A.B. Hill, Smoking and carcinoma of the lung. Preliminary report. British Medical Journal, 1950: p. ii:739-48. Doll, R. et al., Mortality from cancer in relation to smoking: 50 years observations on British doctors. Br J Cancer, 2005. 92(3): p. 426-9. Past cannabis use increases lung cancer risk by the factor of 3.7 and heavy cannabis use by 5.7. The journal of the Royal College of Physicians of Edinburgh, ISSN 1478-2715, 12/2010, Volume 40, Issue 4, pp. 328 - 334 Marijuana smoke seems considerably less cancerous than tobacco from what I can gather. | ||
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Diavlo
Belgium2915 Posts
On October 21 2012 18:40 solidbebe wrote: Aggressive from weed? Lol dont make me laugh Ever hung out in a Emergency room? I've seen people get incredibly aggressive under the influence of marijuana, mainly because of paranoid thoughts and fear. Of course, compared to the experiences i had with drunks, the number of incidents i had with potheads is ridiculously small considering the size of those two population. OP should also add the link between chronic use and schizophrenia: http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/184/2/110.full | ||
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Husnan
France298 Posts
Using drugs doesn't pose a threat to anyone but myself, I'm an adult, I can do whatever the fuck I want. Obviously, there should still be "driving while intoxicated" type laws, because then, your drug use becomes a hazard for people around you, but if you wanna spend your friday night watching your bedroom walls turn into waterfalls, who's to say you shouldn't? And I have no idea why people keep bringing health statistics into the debate : it's good that drug users are informed of the risks of the substances they want to use, but why would that matter at all on whether or not we should criminalize drug use? Driving is dangerous, we don't ban cars. Sky diving is dangerous, we don't ban parachutes either. Doing drugs is dangerous, we ban drugs. Yet we don't ban alcohol or cigarettes, which kill way more people than any other drugs. It should be pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain that anti-drug laws are about anything but protecting the health of the people. | ||
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smokeyhoodoo
United States1021 Posts
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Husnan
France298 Posts
On October 21 2012 19:36 smokeyhoodoo wrote: What is the point in a debate concerning the adverse health effects of marijuana when there has yet to be presented a compelling case for unhealthy things being illegal? Half the shit people do for fun is bad for them. What kind of bland world are the fuddy duddys trying to create? You're jealous over other people having fun. Get over it and focus on your own life. I agree. Let's ban bacon too. And sodas. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
A damning abstract: [...]Cannabis smoke contains cannabinoids whereas tobacco smoke contains nicotine. Available scientific data, that examines the carcinogenic properties of inhaling smoke and its biological consequences, suggests reasons why tobacco smoke, but not cannabis smoke, may result in lung cancer. Key supporting evidence for sluggaslammos post advocating non-traditional methods of ingestion: It should be noted that with the development of vaporizers, that use the respiratory route for the delivery of carcinogen-free cannabis vapors, the carcinogenic potential of smoked cannabis has been largely eliminated. Research that shows cannabinoids can both inhibit and stimulate cancer cell growth: Furthermore, compounds found in cannabis have been shown to kill numerous cancer types including: lung cancer [9], breast and prostate [10], leukemia and lymphoma [11], glioma [12], skin cancer [13], and pheochromocytoma [14]. The effects of cannabinoids are complex and sometimes contradicting, often exhibiting biphasic responses. For example, in contrast to the tumor killing properties mentioned above, low doses of THC may stimulate the growth of lung cancer cells in vitro In your study, data is used from as little as 15 cases. Although the need for additional and long term studies is plainly demonstrated, I must ask what issue you have with my post? Your own post supports my statement that cannabis smoke is cancerous. Look, if you got a bucket of lead paint and a bucket of paint made yesterday with no lead and said "Look bro, there's no lead in this it's fine". You're still wrong. Too many stoners sing sweet gospel that they saw in a Cheech and Chong movie. Smoking pot has positive effects and negative effects. Smoking will never lack negative effects, even if it only scorches your soft lung tissue. And as I have said already, I support legalization. Cannabis opens your mind? Surely so. But then again I've always strived for factual information whether it supports what I know and want or it doesn't. Calling cannabis risk free is bullshit. Labeling it alongside cocaine and heroin is equally bullshit. | ||
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solidbebe
Netherlands4921 Posts
On October 21 2012 19:27 Diavlo wrote: Ever hung out in a Emergency room? I've seen people get incredibly aggressive under the influence of marijuana, mainly because of paranoid thoughts and fear. Of course, compared to the experiences i had with drunks, the number of incidents i had with potheads is ridiculously small considering the size of those two population. OP should also add the link between chronic use and schizophrenia: http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/184/2/110.full That something I hadnt considered. I do personally know of some people who get paranoid (or at least more paranoid) when theyre high, never seen someone get aggressive from it, but I could see it happening. | ||
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nucLeaRTV
Romania822 Posts
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smokeyhoodoo
United States1021 Posts
Don't forget sex. | ||
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Rassy
Netherlands2308 Posts
Legalising mariuana increases consumption amongst people by alot (fact) The use of soft drugs is nowhere in the world more common then in the netherlands, besides maybe jamaica or afghanistan, certain areas in africa. If you want see more people in your society beeing stoners then you should vote YES Peace | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
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solidbebe
Netherlands4921 Posts
On October 21 2012 20:15 Probe1 wrote: What's wrong with being a little bit more like the Netherlands? Nothing  ! | ||
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barth
Ireland1272 Posts
On October 21 2012 19:47 Probe1 wrote: I worded my statement around directly saying 1 joint=5 cigarettes or whatever number. However, here are excerpts from a 2005 study, found here. A damning abstract: Key supporting evidence for sluggaslammos post advocating non-traditional methods of ingestion: Research that shows cannabinoids can both inhibit and stimulate cancer cell growth: In your study, data is used from as little as 15 cases. Although the need for additional and long term studies is plainly demonstrated, I must ask what issue you have with my post? Your own post supports my statement that cannabis smoke is cancerous. Look, if you got a bucket of lead paint and a bucket of paint made yesterday with no lead and said "Look bro, there's no lead in this it's fine". You're still wrong. Too many stoners sing sweet gospel that they saw in a Cheech and Chong movie. Smoking pot has positive effects and negative effects. Smoking will never lack negative effects, even if it only scorches your soft lung tissue. And as I have said already, I support legalization. Cannabis opens your mind? Surely so. But then again I've always strived for factual information whether it supports what I know and want or it doesn't. Calling cannabis risk free is bullshit. Labeling it alongside cocaine and heroin is equally bullshit. I agree that marijuana smoke is carcinogenic. All I wanted to contest is your statement that "cannabis contains far more carcinogens than tobacco", which does not seem to be the case, even qualitatively. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
Of course there are not enough studies and almost no long term studies. Which makes it a difficult thing to argue definitively for either side. I agree with you, cannabis is less harmful than tobacco. | ||
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