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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
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Deleted User 3420
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nBk
174 Posts
On October 22 2012 02:09 Xiphos wrote: Whoever saying that Marijuanna isn't addictive is totally hypocritical. Same applies to those implying that it have no side effects. Addictive? Have you ever seen a Cannabis user act like a crack head? I sure haven't, and never will. I smoke/eat cannabis for pain relief instead of taking liver/kidney killing medication. In fact i haven't ate/smoked any in over 2 months and never had any urges like a "addicted" person would. I only smoke/eat Cannabis when i have extreme pain, and it works wonders. Where's this addiction you speak of? Have a credible source of your claims? Side effects? Sure, i might eat my entire stash of Cheez-its maybe and laugh my ass off at Bill Cosby Himself for the 1000th time. Yeah i guess those are pretty horrible side effects. Again, source of your claims? The good will outweigh the bad by a pretty big margin i would assume regardless. The only people that would even come close to being "addicted" is kids. But even then half of them do it to fit in or look cool and have no clue of the medicinal benefits of Cannabis or the actual enjoyment of the plant really is about. Just a thought. You seem highly mis-informed about Cannabis. You should read into it a bit honestly, very interesting stuff. Anyways, Marijuana should be legal, just like it used to be. Too many benefits from 1 plant to be made illegal in the first place. Hemp anyone? Huge Medicinal benefits? So many good things from this plant could turn a lot of our current problems around for everyone. | ||
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lumencryster
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On October 21 2012 18:24 jimbob615 wrote: i believe you, but like anything in life, there will be a spread from one extreme to another. i can counter by saying from my personal experience, the laziest people i've met, EVER, also smoke weed in their free time. a better way to look at it is, on average, is someone going to be slower, more dim-witted and lazier after smoking? on average, i think you will find the answer to this is yes. and is that something we want the masses to have open access to? have you ever taken a statistics class? what you're describing is actually association. there is a difference between causation and association. the argument that some hard workers smoke weed isn't saying weed makes you a hard worker, but that you can smoke weed and still be productive, giving the responsibility to the hands of the user and not the drug. so i don't think people would be more or less lazier if we legalized it. all it would change is that it lets people who are legally responsible smoke weed and makes it much easier on the marijuana smoking community as a whole. | ||
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Chargelot
2275 Posts
On October 22 2012 02:27 travis wrote: Well the only other reason I could accept as being the primary reason is that there is too much money to be made from the war on drugs. Thanks for mocking me by the way, it's a mature way of refuting someone else's opinion. I match my maturity to the intellectual depth of the comments to which I am replying. I find it helps people with very shallow minds understand what I say better. Consider this: The war on drugs costs money too. The war on alternatives to tobacco costs less money, and earns tobacco companies billions. This is a good example of what happens when the iron triangle makes logic its bitch. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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On October 22 2012 02:38 Chargelot wrote: I match my maturity to the intellectual depth of the comments to which I am replying. I find it helps people with very shallow minds understand what I say better. That's really arrogant. Consider this: The war on drugs costs money too. So does the salary that pays congressmen. Yes, the war on drugs costs tax payer dollars. But that money goes somewhere - it goes to people/organizations that are invested in the war on drugs. The war on alternatives to tobacco costs less money, and earns tobacco companies billions. This is a good example of what happens when the iron triangle makes logic its bitch. At this point I am not sure if you are agreeing with me or disagreeing. | ||
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
On October 22 2012 02:31 nBk wrote: Addictive? Have you ever seen a Cannabis user act like a crack head? I sure haven't, and never will. I smoke/eat cannabis for pain relief instead of taking liver/kidney killing medication. In fact i haven't ate/smoked any in over 2 months and never had any urges like a "addicted" person would. I only smoke/eat Cannabis when i have extreme pain, and it works wonders. Where's this addiction you speak of? Have a credible source of your claims? Side effects? Sure, i might eat my entire stash of Cheez-its maybe and laugh my ass off at Bill Cosby Himself for the 1000th time. Yeah i guess those are pretty horrible side effects. Again, source of your claims? The good will outweigh the bad by a pretty big margin i would assume regardless. The only people that would even come close to being "addicted" is kids. But even then half of them do it to fit in or look cool and have no clue of the medicinal benefits of Cannabis or the actual enjoyment of the plant really is about. Just a thought. You seem highly mis-informed about Cannabis. You should read into it a bit honestly, very interesting stuff. Anyways, Marijuana should be legal, just like it used to be. Too many benefits from 1 plant to be made illegal in the first place. Hemp anyone? Huge Medicinal benefits? So many good things from this plant could turn a lot of our current problems around for everyone. Saying one cannot become addicted to marijuana is very disingenuous. Just because a substance does not produce very strong physical manifestations of withdrawal does not make it non-addictive. Secondly when you say ridiculous things such as "only kids can become addicted to weed" it becomes very hard for anyone to take anything you say serious. | ||
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rhs408
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nBk
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On October 22 2012 02:58 heliusx wrote: Saying one cannot become addicted to marijuana is very disingenuous. Just because a substance does not produce very strong physical manifestations of withdrawal does not make it non-addictive. Secondly when you say ridiculous things such as "only kids can become addicted to weed" it becomes very hard for anyone to take anything you say serious. I said the only people that would even come close to being addicted is kids. Pretty different to how you worded what i said. The only thing ridiculous about it is how you changed what i said to begin with, but that's pretty obvious. Simple knowledge about a plant is widely known and proven time and time again by multiple credible Universities and the like for years, even the government has multiple patents on marijuana and medicinal properties of it (with no side-effects or addiction). I'm just speaking about my years of experience with the plant and my opinion on the matter. Not trying to have someone twist my words around to discredit me. edit: find me a case of a person addicted to Cannabis, i've been waiting 30+ years for it. | ||
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SchOOl_VicTIm
Greece2394 Posts
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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
I puts five to the tail, I smokes till it is no mo I fuss wit this hotel, I gots towels to the do' I fuss wit' this freaky hoe that's down fo' the dicky flo' | ||
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SchOOl_VicTIm
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FuzZyLogic
United States141 Posts
On October 21 2012 21:11 Arkless wrote: Show me the science then, because I have never seen anything to suggest that marijuana contains more carcinogens than a cigg. And no, I'm not wrong. No one has gotten cancer from Marijuana consumption alone, ever. Please either show us some hard science, or stop speculating. Watch a doc called "The Union" if you'd like some more of your fallacy's debunked. You'd be surprised what old wives tales that would be put to rest for ya in the first 10 minutes. Weed does increase cancer risk albeit not nearly as much as tobacco. People have DEFINITELY gotten lung cancer from weed alone although it's very difficult to tell since many potheads also smoke cigs. | ||
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shawster
Canada2485 Posts
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
On October 22 2012 03:23 SchOOl_VicTIm wrote: As for addiction, to put it simply, the only way one gets addicted to marijuana is the exact same as one gets addicted to Starcraft; which therefore should be (??) criminalized/illegal too I don't think anyone is arguing that. I'm 100% for legalization of marijuana, I'm just annoyed by the fact of some people spreading false information in hopes of furthering that cause. Also starcraft addiction is not caused by a foreign substance introduced into your body so obviously it's going to be completely different. | ||
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Steel
Japan2283 Posts
First of all, the health impacts are very questionable: it's not great for your health, yet many things that are not good for your health are legal like cigarettes, alcohol, or McDonalds. Compare Super Size Me where some guy almost died eating McDonalds for a month, to Super High Me where some guy smoked a lot pot for a month with marginal health impacts (slight decrease in lung capacity, slower thought process whilst high). As the OP states the long term impacts are also questionable. Then, there is the issue of prohibition. The war on drugs (in general) has failed and a new approach has to be taken. Marijuana is a gateway drug because it forces you to go 'underground' to find some and decriminalization would prevent that. It's not much of a gateway drug though, I've never met a pot dealer who had anything else to sell but mushrooms. I certainly had to dig further to try chemical drugs and I've never even heard of someone taking any harder drugs. I don't think drug use rates are going to go down using the criminal offense approach so why continue? People will keep smoking, the underground market will always exist because it's so easy to grow even in large cities...Prohibition is causing more hard than good it seems. I have also only heard good things from places who have gone the decriminalization / legalization routes... The final point is the issue of personal freedom which I do not need to elaborate on. It think that health related repercussions of Marijuana use, as well as the impact legalization would have on use is not so overwhelming as to deny individuals the personal freedom to enjoy a few bowls alone or with friends as you would a beer or Shisha or whatever you're into. It doesn't harm anyone and any argument that it does follow immediately from the fact that it is illegal. | ||
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FuzZyLogic
United States141 Posts
Even with weed being strictly illegal, there's an amazing amount of potheads and regular users still.. I realize the number of users decreased in the Netherlands but this isn't the Netherlands! | ||
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cLAN.Anax
United States2847 Posts
Kinda dislike seeing this topic regularly show up about every other month. But you've provided yet another fantastic OP, AUFKLARUNG. Superb job.  I've always struggled with this issue. The libertarian in me says to decriminalize or legalize it for the same reasons we allow alcohol. But my moral side reminds me that I really don't want to live in a community where this is seen as acceptable. Decriminalization would not necessarily be preferred in my opinion because I wouldn't like the government having yet another thing to regulate, even if they ARE getting more taxes from it, because they'll be sure to find some other trash to spend it on instead. I'd really prefer it if the states could vote on it individually and decide for themselves. In that case, I would vote to criminalize it because I don't want it as a part of the local community (i.e. county, city) I participate in. As part of a larger vote, such as on the level of the nation,... I would probably vote for decrim./legal. of marijuana. Let people harm themselves this way if they wish. Still, I would privately act against the industry, warn others of the dangers of using pot (let alone the dangers of smoking in general), recommend healthier and more wholesome extracurricular alternatives to cannabis, etc. | ||
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Arkless
Canada1547 Posts
On October 22 2012 03:25 FuzZyLogic wrote: Weed does increase cancer risk albeit not nearly as much as tobacco. People have DEFINITELY gotten lung cancer from weed alone although it's very difficult to tell since many potheads also smoke cigs. Umm no, never not once. Dont leave comments if you're just gonna talk out your ass | ||
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
On October 22 2012 03:42 Arkless wrote: Umm no, never not once. Dont leave comments if you're just gonna talk out your ass Smoking anything at all will increase your chances of getting cancer. | ||
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