EPTApparently this dude couldn't escape the mob in his Japanese car, so he decided to get out of the car and join them in smashing it up instead
Pro-China, Anti-Japan Protests - Page 40
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
Apparently this dude couldn't escape the mob in his Japanese car, so he decided to get out of the car and join them in smashing it up instead | ||
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RavenLoud
Canada1100 Posts
On September 17 2012 09:07 Medrea wrote: The mainland (now called China, but also mongolia and Korea) has been trying to invade Japan for like thousands of years. This is probably the oldest rivalry/hate train on planet earth (300BC at the most recent we even know of). With more or less Japan defending the entire time. WWII they get to push back, and literally thousands of years of revenge was taking place as the Japanese did some of the most heinous acts such as force fathers to rape daughters. I think you're confusing Japan with Vietnam? Japan has a much more peaceful relationship with China. They left each other alone (militarily speaking) most of the time before the end of the 19th century. Exceptions are Kublai Khan's 2 invasions (which was not Chinese), the Japanese pirate invasion of Ming China in the 16 century as well as the Ming aid to Korea against Japan at about the same time. EDIT: When did Korea invade Japan? You did not provide links. AFAIK it didn't happen. | ||
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reincremate
China2216 Posts
On September 17 2012 08:57 Shady Sands wrote: Actually, not really. From 1945-1948, US foreign policy towards Asia was determined by a troupe of extremely pro-China policymakers, led by Henry Luce. Henry Luce hated Japan for his entire life (even before Pearl Harbor.) Henry and the rest of the State team lost favor because they were accused of "losing China" after 1949. If the CCP had not taken over the mainland, US aid to Japan would have never started. Indeed, while 1949 ended aid to China; aid to Japan didn't start until after the Korean War, when the US realized that they had a huge strategic problem in trying to keep the foothold of South Korea in Asia, but keeping their logistical warehouses (ammo, food, fuel) and men in South Korea facing millions of PLA and Soviets would be suicidal; hence they needed to build up Japan. This is why the Japanese economic miracle didn't start until 1954-55. The point is that Japan was able to get off almost scot-free with regards to reparations to Asian nations for WWII, which is the main reason for the resentment in these nations (namely China). My statement that the "country's post-war economic prosperity predicated upon millions of deaths and billions of dollars worth of damage" was misleading, as I made it seem as if Japan benefited from spoils of war or from relations with the US established as a direct result of WWII. What I meant was that the level of economic prosperity in post-war Japan wouldn't have been possible if they were forced to pay reparations. Also, I understand that it was not simply the case that the US said to Japan "ok you're with us now, you don't have to help rebuild commie China" as there are many other factors that prevented that, such as Mao's desire to ignore wartime atrocities/damages to help establish economic relations with Japan. The anti-Japan rioting in China, however, isn't a response to this issue but rather to territorial disputes between Japan and China that have little to do with historical injustices or the well-being of the average Chinese or Japanese citizen. And even though it's just speculation, even the KMT won and China became an ally to the US, it seems unlikely that the US would have just allowed Japan to rot and probably eventually become another poor communist nation and ally of the USSR. Better to have more US-friendly states in the region rather than fewer ones. | ||
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Medrea
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Medrea
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On September 17 2012 09:29 RavenLoud wrote: EDIT: When did Korea invade Japan? You did not provide links. AFAIK it didn't happen. Them and Mongolia were buddy/buddy and wherever Mongolian troops went Koreans were close by. Yeah Japan invaded Korea as well but that was a resounding loss for Japan. Now Im getting confused as well, this shit is hyper entangled and even when the two werent outright warring its not like they really respected eachother at all ever. | ||
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DonKey_
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
From how I read this story it comes off as private Japanese land owner sells land to Japanese government so now China riots over land that was never in their possession in our current time frame. | ||
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Medrea
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RavenLoud
Canada1100 Posts
On September 17 2012 09:32 Medrea wrote: Nope no confusion. We just consider the names of countries differently. I don't consider a different ruler or a different state title to really mean a whole lot. It does mean a lot. I already said this. Consider that China, the Imperial superpower of the region, never invaded Japan despite it having large fleets and the world's best naval technology until the 16-17th century for all the Han dynasties. Instead, starting from the Tang dynasty, China has only exported its culture and material goods to Japan. Meanwhile, the Mongol come, kill millions upon millions of Chinese, enslave and rape the survivors. So the Mongol emperor try to invade Japan twice, the only times it happened in history. Calling that thousands of years of rivalry and calling the first and second Sino-Japanese wars "pushing back" is pure aloofness at best and an outright lie at worst. Tang, Song, Han, and even Qing, the other expansionist dynasty under the rule of Manchu "barbarians", didn't even bother with Japan. I would reconsider my statement if I were you. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/09/japanese-porn-star-tries-fails-to-repair-japanese-chinese-tensions/262415/ | ||
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Zahir
United States947 Posts
On September 17 2012 09:44 Shady Sands wrote: My god, if not even Sora Aoi can placate the angry Chinese man, what can? http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/09/japanese-porn-star-tries-fails-to-repair-japanese-chinese-tensions/262415/ Sora just made me a fan. | ||
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enzym
Germany1034 Posts
Chinese media has refused to report on the excesses of the mobs, instead praising their nationalist ardour and calling for restraint. http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2012/09/17/chinese-mobs-cripple-man-for-driving-japanese-car/ edit: link contains some NSFW material (no gore) | ||
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Medrea
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On September 17 2012 09:42 RavenLoud wrote: It does mean a lot. I already said this. Consider that China, the Imperial superpower of the region, never invaded Japan despite it having large fleets and the world's best naval technology until the 16-17th century for all the Han dynasties. Instead, starting from the Tang dynasty, China has only exported its culture and material goods to Japan. Meanwhile, the Mongol come, kill millions upon millions of Chinese, enslave and rape the survivors. So the Mongol emperor try to invade Japan twice, the only times it happened in history. Calling that thousands of years of rivalry and calling the first and second Sino-Japanese wars "pushing back" is pure aloofness at best and an outright lie at worst. Tang, Song, Han, and even Qing, the other expansionist dynasty under the rule of Manchu "barbarians", didn't even bother with Japan. I would reconsider my statement if I were you. No Im not going to. Thanks though for offering. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On September 17 2012 09:52 enzym wrote: One Chinese citizen may be permanently paralyzed after he was dragged out of his Japanese brand car and beaten by a mob, while another has apparently been trampled to death. http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2012/09/17/chinese-mobs-cripple-man-for-driving-japanese-car/ yo you might wanna note that the link is NSFW  | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
You weren't always a fan? | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
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RavenLoud
Canada1100 Posts
On September 17 2012 09:52 enzym wrote: One Chinese citizen may be permanently paralyzed after he was dragged out of his Japanese brand car and beaten by a mob, while another has apparently been trampled to death. http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2012/09/17/chinese-mobs-cripple-man-for-driving-japanese-car/ This is absurd. I hope those responsible are arrested. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On September 17 2012 09:52 enzym wrote: One Chinese citizen may be permanently paralyzed after he was dragged out of his Japanese brand car and beaten by a mob, while another has apparently been trampled to death. http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2012/09/17/chinese-mobs-cripple-man-for-driving-japanese-car/ Yeah thats just dumb. Reminds me of Vancouver. | ||
CountChocula
Canada2068 Posts
On September 17 2012 09:32 reincremate wrote: The point is that Japan was able to get off almost scot-free with regards to reparations to Asian nations for WWII, which is the main reason for the resentment in these nations (namely China). My statement that the "country's post-war economic prosperity predicated upon millions of deaths and billions of dollars worth of damage" was misleading, as I made it seem as if Japan benefited from spoils of war or from relations with the US established as a direct result of WWII. What I meant was that the level of economic prosperity in post-war Japan wouldn't have been possible if they were forced to pay reparations. Also, I understand that it was not simply the case that the US said to Japan "ok you're with us now, you don't have to help rebuild commie China" as there are many other factors that prevented that, such as Mao's desire to ignore wartime atrocities/damages to help establish economic relations with Japan. The anti-Japan rioting in China, however, isn't a response to this issue but rather to territorial disputes between Japan and China that have little to do with historical injustices or the well-being of the average Chinese or Japanese citizen. And even though it's just speculation, even the KMT won and China became an ally to the US, it seems unlikely that the US would have just allowed Japan to rot and probably eventually become another poor communist nation and ally of the USSR. Better to have more US-friendly states in the region rather than fewer ones. Even though Mao rejected the war reparations, he still accepted low-interest loans and money from Japan to the amount of 3 trillion yen, which the Chinese government didn't really want the Chinese people to know about. China refused war reparations from Japan in the 1972 Joint Communiqué, Japan gave ODA (official development assistance), amounting to 3 trillion yen (30 billion USD, 90% of which are low interest loans). In Japan, this was perceived as a way of making amends to China for past military aggression. According to estimates, Japan accounts for more than 60 percent of China's ODA received. About 25 percent of the funding for all of China's infrastructure projects between 1994 and 1998 — including roads, railways, telecom systems and harbours — came from Japan. Japanese aid to China was rarely formally publicized to the Chinese people by the Chinese government, until Japan announced that aid was to be phased out. It was finally publicly acknowledged by Chinese premier Wen Jiabao during his April 2007 trip to Japan. As I understand it, Japan was under a dictatorship before WW2 ended, so it's not like the common folk of Japan had anything they could do to stop the human rights violations and shit. It was similar to Nazi Germany. If you've seen the movie Letters of Iwo Jima, you'll know what I'm talking about. They went door-to-door forcing people to join the army. Those who didn't got arrested and put in jail. It doesn't make sense to punish every Japanese person for the crimes of a few at the top who institutionalized hatred of Chinese people and tried to spread it to every layer of society. source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Japanese_sentiment_in_China#Post-War_issues | ||
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RavenLoud
Canada1100 Posts
On September 17 2012 09:54 Medrea wrote: No Im not going to. Thanks though for offering. I'd be happy if you could try to convince me to side with you. Please elaborate. Note that I'm not saying that China was all buddy-buddy with Japan. China definitely did have colonial attitudes towards almost all of its neighbors. However, from what I understand, the Japanese resents this sentiment from China, and thus ironically copied the Chinese imperial system in order to distance themselves from China. The Mongols also successfully invaded Iran and Russia, however I believe it is a long stretch to say that Iran and Russia invaded Japan in the 13th century. It is clear to me that China did not demonstrate hardline attempts to take Japanese territory when they could, while the opposite is true. Unless Japan considers all of East Asia hers by some divine right, its expansionist warfare during the early 20th century cannot be considered "pushing back". | ||
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dragonblade369
Canada464 Posts
On September 17 2012 07:49 Denzil wrote: the OP is telling me nothing other than china is mad on a large scale Kwarks post tells me that china is pissed off because of japan's conduct in world war 2 therefore, what is china so mad about? i dont get pissed off at the germans for killing my grandfather in WW2 Lol. Did you read the OP? This act is not about to get "revenge" against Japan for what they did in WWII. Is that about Japan do not feel sorry for what they did in WWII. What the rest of the world labeled "war criminals" (those who killed the most/ were the most brutal) were venerated back in Japan in a shrine. That's what China (and other parts of Asia) are pissed about. | ||
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