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I remember seeing this painting in a French art magazine when I was living in Toronto back in 2006, by an expatriate Chinese in Canada. Titled "2008 Beijing", in commemoration of the 2008 Summer Olympic games held in Beijing, the painting was chock full of imagery and hidden meanings underneath the art. Many people, especially Chinese-Canadians and Chinese-Americans found it to be an excellent interpretation of the political situation in the Far East, particularly from a Chinese perspective.
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"2008 Beijing" by Liu Yi
Firstly, the girl wearing a traditional article of Chinese lingerie with her hand in a fruit bowl represents Taiwan.
The four mahjong players also represent countries – America faces the viewer, and opposite America is China. To the right, the reclining girl is Russia, and to the left, naked and scrutinising her tiles, is Japan.
The image depicts the situation facing Taiwan, but Taiwan herself is not at the table. Only the four players of America, China, Japan and Russia will determine the outcome of this game. The skies beyond the window are dark and unsettled, as is the current situation.
The clothing the four girls at the table are wearing expresses their respective strengths. America is in a strong position being fully clothed, and confidently watches Taiwan for a chance to strike without being overly concerned about the state of the game.
Russia lies languidly with one leg resting on America, and an arm outstretched to China, stealthily assisting China with her concealed tiles. But Russia has no real interest in Taiwan, and her tiles are not strong. She is only interested in exploiting the Taiwan situation to her advantage, sympathising with America whilst selling weapons to China.
China herself is half-naked, much of her body and clothing obscured from view by the table, preventing anyone from seeing how strong she is. One of her tiles is “East,” representing the DF-31 “East Wind” long range missile (ICBM). China also keeps some of her tiles hidden behind her, ready for any change in the game. Just how strong she really is, nobody knows.
On the left, the naked girl is Japan. She has no clothes at all – she is the weakest of the four. She scrutinizes her tiles intently, completely oblivious to the artful tricks the other players are employing. Japan only conceives of the Taiwan issue in terms of how she can gain regional power – she is blind to the global aspect of the game. Whilst she may have a good hand, little does she realize the game will not be won through tiles alone.
On China’s shoulder is a tattoo – the Fenghuang, or “Chinese phoenix.” This signifies the fact that in China traditional culture runs only skin deep – she is otherwise just the same as the west. On the contrary, it is Taiwan, with her traditional attire, who is the real heir to Chinese culture.
Taiwan holds a fruit knife, but it is of no use in a game of mahjong and she cannot bring it to bear. All she can do is hold onto her fruit as the game plays out.
This is probably off-topic when discussing about the issue of the Chinese riots, but after reading several posts arguing about America, Japan and China's position in the Far East, especially those with TL ID's from China saying "fuck Japan" and those from Japan saying "history is history, move on", I couldn't fathom how either side can't seem to look past emotions, or whatever the hell is motivating them to spout such ignorant nonsense.
TL;DR: China can't do shit to Japan. They're not in a position to do whatever they want, at least not yet - it's in their best interests to keep things 'cool'. They need Japan. Korea needs Japan. Both countries (the people) hate Japan, but the 1% knows what's up. America's too smart to get their hands dirty, it's not in their best interests to piss off China, especially when it's Japan that's the target - it's not like the Chinese are preparing to invade Japan. Japan is the most insignificant of the three, they have no muscles to flex, yet their overinflated pride doesn't exactly allow them to concede, and even if they do, will that really quell the anti-Japanese sentiment in China/Korea?
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People complaining about what China is doing don't really understand the significance of this event. An analogy: Imagine some nation comes and takes Hawaii from America. The US government is corrupt and weak and refuses to take back Hawaii. Wouldn't you be outraged?
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On September 17 2012 02:23 Xpace wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I remember seeing this painting in a French art magazine when I was living in Toronto back in 2006, by an expatriate Chinese in Canada. Titled "2008 Beijing", in commemoration of the 2008 Summer Olympic games held in Beijing, the painting was chock full of imagery and hidden meanings underneath the art. Many people, especially Chinese-Canadians and Chinese-Americans found it to be an excellent interpretation of the political situation in the Far East, particularly from a Chinese perspective. "2008 Beijing" by Liu Yi Firstly, the girl wearing a traditional article of Chinese lingerie with her hand in a fruit bowl represents Taiwan. The four mahjong players also represent countries – America faces the viewer, and opposite America is China. To the right, the reclining girl is Russia, and to the left, naked and scrutinising her tiles, is Japan. The image depicts the situation facing Taiwan, but Taiwan herself is not at the table. Only the four players of America, China, Japan and Russia will determine the outcome of this game. The skies beyond the window are dark and unsettled, as is the current situation. The clothing the four girls at the table are wearing expresses their respective strengths. America is in a strong position being fully clothed, and confidently watches Taiwan for a chance to strike without being overly concerned about the state of the game. Russia lies languidly with one leg resting on America, and an arm outstretched to China, stealthily assisting China with her concealed tiles. But Russia has no real interest in Taiwan, and her tiles are not strong. She is only interested in exploiting the Taiwan situation to her advantage, sympathising with America whilst selling weapons to China. China herself is half-naked, much of her body and clothing obscured from view by the table, preventing anyone from seeing how strong she is. One of her tiles is “East,” representing the DF-31 “East Wind” long range missile (ICBM). China also keeps some of her tiles hidden behind her, ready for any change in the game. Just how strong she really is, nobody knows. On the left, the naked girl is Japan. She has no clothes at all – she is the weakest of the four. She scrutinizes her tiles intently, completely oblivious to the artful tricks the other players are employing. Japan only conceives of the Taiwan issue in terms of how she can gain regional power – she is blind to the global aspect of the game. Whilst she may have a good hand, little does she realize the game will not be won through tiles alone. On China’s shoulder is a tattoo – the Fenghuang, or “Chinese phoenix.” This signifies the fact that in China traditional culture runs only skin deep – she is otherwise just the same as the west. On the contrary, it is Taiwan, with her traditional attire, who is the real heir to Chinese culture. Taiwan holds a fruit knife, but it is of no use in a game of mahjong and she cannot bring it to bear. All she can do is hold onto her fruit as the game plays out. This is probably off-topic when discussing about the issue of the Chinese riots, but after reading several posts arguing about America, Japan and China's position in the Far East, especially those with TL ID's from China saying "fuck Japan" and those from Japan saying "history is history, move on", I couldn't fathom how either side can't seem to look past emotions, or whatever the hell is motivating them to spout such ignorant nonsense. : China can't do shit to Japan. They're not in a position to do whatever they want, at least not yet - it's in their best interests to keep things 'cool'. They need Japan. Korea needs Japan. Both countries (the people) hate Japan, but the 1% knows what's up. America's too smart to get their hands dirty, it's not in their best interests to piss off China, especially when it's Japan that's the target - it's not like the Chinese are preparing to invade Japan. Japan is the most insignificant of the three, they have no muscles to flex, yet their overinflated pride doesn't exactly allow them to concede, and even if they do, will that really quell the anti-Japanese sentiment in China/Korea?
Uh, I really don't get how you concluded "china can't do shit to Japan" from that giant wall of text about the painting.
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On September 17 2012 02:24 fatfail wrote:
People complaining about what China is doing don't really understand the significance of this event. An analogy: Imagine some nation comes and takes Hawaii from America. The US government is corrupt and weak and refuses to take back Hawaii. Wouldn't you be outraged?
That's basically what happened with the Falkland islands, and the British made the right decision by taking them back.
I side with China on the island dispute with Japan, but I side with South Korea when it comes to Dokdo.
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On September 17 2012 02:08 SayGen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 01:51 sephiria wrote:On September 17 2012 01:39 Ventris wrote:Europe, esp the EU needs to step up soon. America can't hold forever. I agree, but it will depend on how the unification process continues. The current nation states are to small to finance an efficient military able to operate on a global scale and don't really need it for their political agenda. thats plain wrong. If germany would stop pumping money into israel's military or into the infamous 'kampf gegen rechts' the economic strength of germany and a few other key states (UK and France) would enable the EU to build an incredibly strong army. The problem ist that the german population tends to think that military strength is bad. the prestige of being in the army is extremly low. soldiers are mostly regarded as primitive thugs (not my opinion, just what I observed) Without giving up freedom to the EU (which, if done, will in the end give birth to widespread discontent. You cant just break nation states. Sooner or later they will re-emerge) I also think EUstates need to step up and side with Japan and US to balance out the rising power of China. Eh Germany protecting Israel is good for Germany, Eu, and America. The ME has never forgiven the EU for the crusades. Keep in mind, the ME has expanded into Europe before (Spain) That natural expansion of the ME is into Europe- not Afrcia or Middle Asia. Plus you gotta ask yourself, do you want Germans fighting the ME unified armies, or German soldiers? Better to fund Israel who has been on good terms dispite the events in WWII. EU can build an army now. Their combined GDP is AMAZING, a true POWERHOUSE if there ever was one. It's just a matter of getting the European powers to see the greater good of allyship. You'd think EU would know the price of appeasement by now. I agree EU+USA would maintain the 'world peace' that we are living in now. Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 01:54 Voltaire wrote:
I'm pretty tired of people talking about China as if its our enemy. It's not. Yeah, they have a pretty bad human rights record, but so do tons of countries. China is really bad though. I'd worry about China being oppressive- they'd see themselves as rulers- not leaders. Russia is pretty bad, as well- and doesn't have a very charitiable record of donations for world wide crisis. Though even a Russian domination (which i'm not sure is actually possible, but tha'ts a different discussion) would be more tolerable than China. China, N Korea, MEast would all more likly than not- be oppressive as world leaders. this is of course my opinion.
All China seeks is unity.
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On September 17 2012 02:23 Xpace wrote:I remember seeing this painting in a French art magazine when I was living in Toronto back in 2006, by an expatriate Chinese in Canada. Titled "2008 Beijing", in commemoration of the 2008 Summer Olympic games held in Beijing, the painting was chock full of imagery and hidden meanings underneath the art. Many people, especially Chinese-Canadians and Chinese-Americans found it to be an excellent interpretation of the political situation in the Far East, particularly from a Chinese perspective. "2008 Beijing" by Liu Yi Firstly, the girl wearing a traditional article of Chinese lingerie with her hand in a fruit bowl represents Taiwan. The four mahjong players also represent countries – America faces the viewer, and opposite America is China. To the right, the reclining girl is Russia, and to the left, naked and scrutinising her tiles, is Japan. The image depicts the situation facing Taiwan, but Taiwan herself is not at the table. Only the four players of America, China, Japan and Russia will determine the outcome of this game. The skies beyond the window are dark and unsettled, as is the current situation. The clothing the four girls at the table are wearing expresses their respective strengths. America is in a strong position being fully clothed, and confidently watches Taiwan for a chance to strike without being overly concerned about the state of the game. Russia lies languidly with one leg resting on America, and an arm outstretched to China, stealthily assisting China with her concealed tiles. But Russia has no real interest in Taiwan, and her tiles are not strong. She is only interested in exploiting the Taiwan situation to her advantage, sympathising with America whilst selling weapons to China. China herself is half-naked, much of her body and clothing obscured from view by the table, preventing anyone from seeing how strong she is. One of her tiles is “East,” representing the DF-31 “East Wind” long range missile (ICBM). China also keeps some of her tiles hidden behind her, ready for any change in the game. Just how strong she really is, nobody knows. On the left, the naked girl is Japan. She has no clothes at all – she is the weakest of the four. She scrutinizes her tiles intently, completely oblivious to the artful tricks the other players are employing. Japan only conceives of the Taiwan issue in terms of how she can gain regional power – she is blind to the global aspect of the game. Whilst she may have a good hand, little does she realize the game will not be won through tiles alone. On China’s shoulder is a tattoo – the Fenghuang, or “Chinese phoenix.” This signifies the fact that in China traditional culture runs only skin deep – she is otherwise just the same as the west. On the contrary, it is Taiwan, with her traditional attire, who is the real heir to Chinese culture. Taiwan holds a fruit knife, but it is of no use in a game of mahjong and she cannot bring it to bear. All she can do is hold onto her fruit as the game plays out. This is probably off-topic when discussing about the issue of the Chinese riots, but after reading several posts arguing about America, Japan and China's position in the Far East, especially those with TL ID's from China saying "fuck Japan" and those from Japan saying "history is history, move on", I couldn't fathom how either side can't seem to look past emotions, or whatever the hell is motivating them to spout such ignorant nonsense. TL;DR: China can't do shit to Japan. They're not in a position to do whatever they want, at least not yet - it's in their best interests to keep things 'cool'. They need Japan. Korea needs Japan. Both countries (the people) hate Japan, but the 1% knows what's up. America's too smart to get their hands dirty, it's not in their best interests to piss off China, especially when it's Japan that's the target - it's not like the Chinese are preparing to invade Japan. Japan is the most insignificant of the three, they have no muscles to flex, yet their overinflated pride doesn't exactly allow them to concede, and even if they do, will that really quell the anti-Japanese sentiment in China/Korea?
Correct, China cant do shit. Their economy would crumble and their navy is terrible anyways. The commanders are incompetent and the soldiers aren't disciplined.
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On September 17 2012 02:24 fatfail wrote:
People complaining about what China is doing don't really understand the significance of this event. An analogy: Imagine some nation comes and takes Hawaii from America. The US government is corrupt and weak and refuses to take back Hawaii. Wouldn't you be outraged?
The disput is about some barely populated islands. It would be more like taking Helgoland away from Germany
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On September 17 2012 02:08 SayGen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 01:51 sephiria wrote:On September 17 2012 01:39 Ventris wrote:Europe, esp the EU needs to step up soon. America can't hold forever. I agree, but it will depend on how the unification process continues. The current nation states are to small to finance an efficient military able to operate on a global scale and don't really need it for their political agenda. thats plain wrong. If germany would stop pumping money into israel's military or into the infamous 'kampf gegen rechts' the economic strength of germany and a few other key states (UK and France) would enable the EU to build an incredibly strong army. The problem ist that the german population tends to think that military strength is bad. the prestige of being in the army is extremly low. soldiers are mostly regarded as primitive thugs (not my opinion, just what I observed) Without giving up freedom to the EU (which, if done, will in the end give birth to widespread discontent. You cant just break nation states. Sooner or later they will re-emerge) I also think EUstates need to step up and side with Japan and US to balance out the rising power of China. Eh Germany protecting Israel is good for Germany, Eu, and America. The ME has never forgiven the EU for the crusades. Keep in mind, the ME has expanded into Europe before (Spain) That natural expansion of the ME is into Europe- not Afrcia or Middle Asia. Plus you gotta ask yourself, do you want Germans fighting the ME unified armies, or German soldiers? Better to fund Israel who has been on good terms dispite the events in WWII. EU can build an army now. Their combined GDP is AMAZING, a true POWERHOUSE if there ever was one. It's just a matter of getting the European powers to see the greater good of allyship. You'd think EU would know the price of appeasement by now. I agree EU+USA would maintain the 'world peace' that we are living in now.
shortened the quote above (hope I did it right)
there is a difference between being allied with israel and giving them free stuff (I do disagree with israels politicies but I would like to stay allied with them, but still giving them weapons, nuclear submarines for free? it's not like they are threatened to be overrun or sth.) I dont want to finance their military campaigns, also I do not see the ME as a threat to the physical europe, simply because they are so far behind in economy and military technology.
the balance of power has shifted extremly since the 7th century. Sheer numbers dont win wars (or very rarely) in this day and age.
I also think IF Europe was threatend by sth. real we would propably see an increase in military efficiency, financing and numbers of soldiers on a scale comparable to the US in the late 30's.
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On September 17 2012 02:23 Xpace wrote:I remember seeing this painting in a French art magazine when I was living in Toronto back in 2006, by an expatriate Chinese in Canada. Titled "2008 Beijing", in commemoration of the 2008 Summer Olympic games held in Beijing, the painting was chock full of imagery and hidden meanings underneath the art. Many people, especially Chinese-Canadians and Chinese-Americans found it to be an excellent interpretation of the political situation in the Far East, particularly from a Chinese perspective. "2008 Beijing" by Liu Yi Firstly, the girl wearing a traditional article of Chinese lingerie with her hand in a fruit bowl represents Taiwan. The four mahjong players also represent countries – America faces the viewer, and opposite America is China. To the right, the reclining girl is Russia, and to the left, naked and scrutinising her tiles, is Japan. The image depicts the situation facing Taiwan, but Taiwan herself is not at the table. Only the four players of America, China, Japan and Russia will determine the outcome of this game. The skies beyond the window are dark and unsettled, as is the current situation. The clothing the four girls at the table are wearing expresses their respective strengths. America is in a strong position being fully clothed, and confidently watches Taiwan for a chance to strike without being overly concerned about the state of the game. Russia lies languidly with one leg resting on America, and an arm outstretched to China, stealthily assisting China with her concealed tiles. But Russia has no real interest in Taiwan, and her tiles are not strong. She is only interested in exploiting the Taiwan situation to her advantage, sympathising with America whilst selling weapons to China. China herself is half-naked, much of her body and clothing obscured from view by the table, preventing anyone from seeing how strong she is. One of her tiles is “East,” representing the DF-31 “East Wind” long range missile (ICBM). China also keeps some of her tiles hidden behind her, ready for any change in the game. Just how strong she really is, nobody knows. On the left, the naked girl is Japan. She has no clothes at all – she is the weakest of the four. She scrutinizes her tiles intently, completely oblivious to the artful tricks the other players are employing. Japan only conceives of the Taiwan issue in terms of how she can gain regional power – she is blind to the global aspect of the game. Whilst she may have a good hand, little does she realize the game will not be won through tiles alone. On China’s shoulder is a tattoo – the Fenghuang, or “Chinese phoenix.” This signifies the fact that in China traditional culture runs only skin deep – she is otherwise just the same as the west. On the contrary, it is Taiwan, with her traditional attire, who is the real heir to Chinese culture. Taiwan holds a fruit knife, but it is of no use in a game of mahjong and she cannot bring it to bear. All she can do is hold onto her fruit as the game plays out. This is probably off-topic when discussing about the issue of the Chinese riots, but after reading several posts arguing about America, Japan and China's position in the Far East, especially those with TL ID's from China saying "fuck Japan" and those from Japan saying "history is history, move on", I couldn't fathom how either side can't seem to look past emotions, or whatever the hell is motivating them to spout such ignorant nonsense. TL;DR: China can't do shit to Japan. They're not in a position to do whatever they want, at least not yet - it's in their best interests to keep things 'cool'. They need Japan. Korea needs Japan. Both countries (the people) hate Japan, but the 1% knows what's up. America's too smart to get their hands dirty, it's not in their best interests to piss off China, especially when it's Japan that's the target - it's not like the Chinese are preparing to invade Japan. Japan is the most insignificant of the three, they have no muscles to flex, yet their overinflated pride doesn't exactly allow them to concede, and even if they do, will that really quell the anti-Japanese sentiment in China/Korea?
What a great an insightful post!
I love the picture too. I agree with most of it, some not so much-but overall it was a good outlook on the siutation.
Also I don't think anyone here is being off topic.
All this comes together in one big piece, and we are just discussing it as a the big picture.
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On September 17 2012 02:25 Taku wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 02:23 Xpace wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I remember seeing this painting in a French art magazine when I was living in Toronto back in 2006, by an expatriate Chinese in Canada. Titled "2008 Beijing", in commemoration of the 2008 Summer Olympic games held in Beijing, the painting was chock full of imagery and hidden meanings underneath the art. Many people, especially Chinese-Canadians and Chinese-Americans found it to be an excellent interpretation of the political situation in the Far East, particularly from a Chinese perspective. "2008 Beijing" by Liu Yi Firstly, the girl wearing a traditional article of Chinese lingerie with her hand in a fruit bowl represents Taiwan. The four mahjong players also represent countries – America faces the viewer, and opposite America is China. To the right, the reclining girl is Russia, and to the left, naked and scrutinising her tiles, is Japan. The image depicts the situation facing Taiwan, but Taiwan herself is not at the table. Only the four players of America, China, Japan and Russia will determine the outcome of this game. The skies beyond the window are dark and unsettled, as is the current situation. The clothing the four girls at the table are wearing expresses their respective strengths. America is in a strong position being fully clothed, and confidently watches Taiwan for a chance to strike without being overly concerned about the state of the game. Russia lies languidly with one leg resting on America, and an arm outstretched to China, stealthily assisting China with her concealed tiles. But Russia has no real interest in Taiwan, and her tiles are not strong. She is only interested in exploiting the Taiwan situation to her advantage, sympathising with America whilst selling weapons to China. China herself is half-naked, much of her body and clothing obscured from view by the table, preventing anyone from seeing how strong she is. One of her tiles is “East,” representing the DF-31 “East Wind” long range missile (ICBM). China also keeps some of her tiles hidden behind her, ready for any change in the game. Just how strong she really is, nobody knows. On the left, the naked girl is Japan. She has no clothes at all – she is the weakest of the four. She scrutinizes her tiles intently, completely oblivious to the artful tricks the other players are employing. Japan only conceives of the Taiwan issue in terms of how she can gain regional power – she is blind to the global aspect of the game. Whilst she may have a good hand, little does she realize the game will not be won through tiles alone. On China’s shoulder is a tattoo – the Fenghuang, or “Chinese phoenix.” This signifies the fact that in China traditional culture runs only skin deep – she is otherwise just the same as the west. On the contrary, it is Taiwan, with her traditional attire, who is the real heir to Chinese culture. Taiwan holds a fruit knife, but it is of no use in a game of mahjong and she cannot bring it to bear. All she can do is hold onto her fruit as the game plays out. This is probably off-topic when discussing about the issue of the Chinese riots, but after reading several posts arguing about America, Japan and China's position in the Far East, especially those with TL ID's from China saying "fuck Japan" and those from Japan saying "history is history, move on", I couldn't fathom how either side can't seem to look past emotions, or whatever the hell is motivating them to spout such ignorant nonsense. : China can't do shit to Japan. They're not in a position to do whatever they want, at least not yet - it's in their best interests to keep things 'cool'. They need Japan. Korea needs Japan. Both countries (the people) hate Japan, but the 1% knows what's up. America's too smart to get their hands dirty, it's not in their best interests to piss off China, especially when it's Japan that's the target - it's not like the Chinese are preparing to invade Japan. Japan is the most insignificant of the three, they have no muscles to flex, yet their overinflated pride doesn't exactly allow them to concede, and even if they do, will that really quell the anti-Japanese sentiment in China/Korea? Uh, I really don't get how you concluded "china can't do shit to Japan" from that giant wall of text about the painting.
China is in no position to outright attack Japan. Deny them economically? Not in their best interests. Surpass them? Sounds better, but they're doing it with capitalistic ideals. Do you really think China can straight up fuck with the Japanese, with America's presence in the region? And with China (trying) to avoid global scrutiny? Painting or not, I thought that fact would have been obvious to anyone...
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On September 17 2012 02:23 Xpace wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I remember seeing this painting in a French art magazine when I was living in Toronto back in 2006, by an expatriate Chinese in Canada. Titled "2008 Beijing", in commemoration of the 2008 Summer Olympic games held in Beijing, the painting was chock full of imagery and hidden meanings underneath the art. Many people, especially Chinese-Canadians and Chinese-Americans found it to be an excellent interpretation of the political situation in the Far East, particularly from a Chinese perspective. "2008 Beijing" by Liu Yi Firstly, the girl wearing a traditional article of Chinese lingerie with her hand in a fruit bowl represents Taiwan. The four mahjong players also represent countries – America faces the viewer, and opposite America is China. To the right, the reclining girl is Russia, and to the left, naked and scrutinising her tiles, is Japan. The image depicts the situation facing Taiwan, but Taiwan herself is not at the table. Only the four players of America, China, Japan and Russia will determine the outcome of this game. The skies beyond the window are dark and unsettled, as is the current situation. The clothing the four girls at the table are wearing expresses their respective strengths. America is in a strong position being fully clothed, and confidently watches Taiwan for a chance to strike without being overly concerned about the state of the game. Russia lies languidly with one leg resting on America, and an arm outstretched to China, stealthily assisting China with her concealed tiles. But Russia has no real interest in Taiwan, and her tiles are not strong. She is only interested in exploiting the Taiwan situation to her advantage, sympathising with America whilst selling weapons to China. China herself is half-naked, much of her body and clothing obscured from view by the table, preventing anyone from seeing how strong she is. One of her tiles is “East,” representing the DF-31 “East Wind” long range missile (ICBM). China also keeps some of her tiles hidden behind her, ready for any change in the game. Just how strong she really is, nobody knows. On the left, the naked girl is Japan. She has no clothes at all – she is the weakest of the four. She scrutinizes her tiles intently, completely oblivious to the artful tricks the other players are employing. Japan only conceives of the Taiwan issue in terms of how she can gain regional power – she is blind to the global aspect of the game. Whilst she may have a good hand, little does she realize the game will not be won through tiles alone. On China’s shoulder is a tattoo – the Fenghuang, or “Chinese phoenix.” This signifies the fact that in China traditional culture runs only skin deep – she is otherwise just the same as the west. On the contrary, it is Taiwan, with her traditional attire, who is the real heir to Chinese culture. Taiwan holds a fruit knife, but it is of no use in a game of mahjong and she cannot bring it to bear. All she can do is hold onto her fruit as the game plays out. This is probably off-topic when discussing about the issue of the Chinese riots, but after reading several posts arguing about America, Japan and China's position in the Far East, especially those with TL ID's from China saying "fuck Japan" and those from Japan saying "history is history, move on", I couldn't fathom how either side can't seem to look past emotions, or whatever the hell is motivating them to spout such ignorant nonsense. TL;DR: China can't do shit to Japan. They're not in a position to do whatever they want, at least not yet - it's in their best interests to keep things 'cool'. They need Japan. Korea needs Japan. Both countries (the people) hate Japan, but the 1% knows what's up. America's too smart to get their hands dirty, it's not in their best interests to piss off China, especially when it's Japan that's the target - it's not like the Chinese are preparing to invade Japan. Japan is the most insignificant of the three, they have no muscles to flex, yet their overinflated pride doesn't exactly allow them to concede, and even if they do, will that really quell the anti-Japanese sentiment in China/Korea?
You know that was just an excuse by Liu Yi to draw naked girls, correct?
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On September 17 2012 02:26 Pseudoku wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 02:08 SayGen wrote:On September 17 2012 01:51 sephiria wrote:On September 17 2012 01:39 Ventris wrote:Europe, esp the EU needs to step up soon. America can't hold forever. I agree, but it will depend on how the unification process continues. The current nation states are to small to finance an efficient military able to operate on a global scale and don't really need it for their political agenda. thats plain wrong. If germany would stop pumping money into israel's military or into the infamous 'kampf gegen rechts' the economic strength of germany and a few other key states (UK and France) would enable the EU to build an incredibly strong army. The problem ist that the german population tends to think that military strength is bad. the prestige of being in the army is extremly low. soldiers are mostly regarded as primitive thugs (not my opinion, just what I observed) Without giving up freedom to the EU (which, if done, will in the end give birth to widespread discontent. You cant just break nation states. Sooner or later they will re-emerge) I also think EUstates need to step up and side with Japan and US to balance out the rising power of China. Eh Germany protecting Israel is good for Germany, Eu, and America. The ME has never forgiven the EU for the crusades. Keep in mind, the ME has expanded into Europe before (Spain) That natural expansion of the ME is into Europe- not Afrcia or Middle Asia. Plus you gotta ask yourself, do you want Germans fighting the ME unified armies, or German soldiers? Better to fund Israel who has been on good terms dispite the events in WWII. EU can build an army now. Their combined GDP is AMAZING, a true POWERHOUSE if there ever was one. It's just a matter of getting the European powers to see the greater good of allyship. You'd think EU would know the price of appeasement by now. I agree EU+USA would maintain the 'world peace' that we are living in now. On September 17 2012 01:54 Voltaire wrote:
I'm pretty tired of people talking about China as if its our enemy. It's not. Yeah, they have a pretty bad human rights record, but so do tons of countries. China is really bad though. I'd worry about China being oppressive- they'd see themselves as rulers- not leaders. Russia is pretty bad, as well- and doesn't have a very charitiable record of donations for world wide crisis. Though even a Russian domination (which i'm not sure is actually possible, but tha'ts a different discussion) would be more tolerable than China. China, N Korea, MEast would all more likly than not- be oppressive as world leaders. this is of course my opinion. All China seeks is unity.
Sorry I just don't believe that.
History: Germany said they were jsut trying to unite the Germanic tribes and German speaking people...
How did that turn out again?
History ALWAYS repeats itself.
Though knowledge and understanding we can delay this for as long as we can, till the inevietable occurs.
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On September 17 2012 02:26 fatfail wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 02:23 Xpace wrote:I remember seeing this painting in a French art magazine when I was living in Toronto back in 2006, by an expatriate Chinese in Canada. Titled "2008 Beijing", in commemoration of the 2008 Summer Olympic games held in Beijing, the painting was chock full of imagery and hidden meanings underneath the art. Many people, especially Chinese-Canadians and Chinese-Americans found it to be an excellent interpretation of the political situation in the Far East, particularly from a Chinese perspective. "2008 Beijing" by Liu Yi Firstly, the girl wearing a traditional article of Chinese lingerie with her hand in a fruit bowl represents Taiwan. The four mahjong players also represent countries – America faces the viewer, and opposite America is China. To the right, the reclining girl is Russia, and to the left, naked and scrutinising her tiles, is Japan. The image depicts the situation facing Taiwan, but Taiwan herself is not at the table. Only the four players of America, China, Japan and Russia will determine the outcome of this game. The skies beyond the window are dark and unsettled, as is the current situation. The clothing the four girls at the table are wearing expresses their respective strengths. America is in a strong position being fully clothed, and confidently watches Taiwan for a chance to strike without being overly concerned about the state of the game. Russia lies languidly with one leg resting on America, and an arm outstretched to China, stealthily assisting China with her concealed tiles. But Russia has no real interest in Taiwan, and her tiles are not strong. She is only interested in exploiting the Taiwan situation to her advantage, sympathising with America whilst selling weapons to China. China herself is half-naked, much of her body and clothing obscured from view by the table, preventing anyone from seeing how strong she is. One of her tiles is “East,” representing the DF-31 “East Wind” long range missile (ICBM). China also keeps some of her tiles hidden behind her, ready for any change in the game. Just how strong she really is, nobody knows. On the left, the naked girl is Japan. She has no clothes at all – she is the weakest of the four. She scrutinizes her tiles intently, completely oblivious to the artful tricks the other players are employing. Japan only conceives of the Taiwan issue in terms of how she can gain regional power – she is blind to the global aspect of the game. Whilst she may have a good hand, little does she realize the game will not be won through tiles alone. On China’s shoulder is a tattoo – the Fenghuang, or “Chinese phoenix.” This signifies the fact that in China traditional culture runs only skin deep – she is otherwise just the same as the west. On the contrary, it is Taiwan, with her traditional attire, who is the real heir to Chinese culture. Taiwan holds a fruit knife, but it is of no use in a game of mahjong and she cannot bring it to bear. All she can do is hold onto her fruit as the game plays out. This is probably off-topic when discussing about the issue of the Chinese riots, but after reading several posts arguing about America, Japan and China's position in the Far East, especially those with TL ID's from China saying "fuck Japan" and those from Japan saying "history is history, move on", I couldn't fathom how either side can't seem to look past emotions, or whatever the hell is motivating them to spout such ignorant nonsense. TL;DR: China can't do shit to Japan. They're not in a position to do whatever they want, at least not yet - it's in their best interests to keep things 'cool'. They need Japan. Korea needs Japan. Both countries (the people) hate Japan, but the 1% knows what's up. America's too smart to get their hands dirty, it's not in their best interests to piss off China, especially when it's Japan that's the target - it's not like the Chinese are preparing to invade Japan. Japan is the most insignificant of the three, they have no muscles to flex, yet their overinflated pride doesn't exactly allow them to concede, and even if they do, will that really quell the anti-Japanese sentiment in China/Korea? Correct, China cant do shit. Their economy would crumble and their navy is terrible anyways. The commanders are incompetent and the soldiers aren't disciplined.
You're welcome to keep believing that.
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On September 17 2012 02:31 SayGen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 02:26 Pseudoku wrote:On September 17 2012 02:08 SayGen wrote:On September 17 2012 01:51 sephiria wrote:On September 17 2012 01:39 Ventris wrote:Europe, esp the EU needs to step up soon. America can't hold forever. I agree, but it will depend on how the unification process continues. The current nation states are to small to finance an efficient military able to operate on a global scale and don't really need it for their political agenda. thats plain wrong. If germany would stop pumping money into israel's military or into the infamous 'kampf gegen rechts' the economic strength of germany and a few other key states (UK and France) would enable the EU to build an incredibly strong army. The problem ist that the german population tends to think that military strength is bad. the prestige of being in the army is extremly low. soldiers are mostly regarded as primitive thugs (not my opinion, just what I observed) Without giving up freedom to the EU (which, if done, will in the end give birth to widespread discontent. You cant just break nation states. Sooner or later they will re-emerge) I also think EUstates need to step up and side with Japan and US to balance out the rising power of China. Eh Germany protecting Israel is good for Germany, Eu, and America. The ME has never forgiven the EU for the crusades. Keep in mind, the ME has expanded into Europe before (Spain) That natural expansion of the ME is into Europe- not Afrcia or Middle Asia. Plus you gotta ask yourself, do you want Germans fighting the ME unified armies, or German soldiers? Better to fund Israel who has been on good terms dispite the events in WWII. EU can build an army now. Their combined GDP is AMAZING, a true POWERHOUSE if there ever was one. It's just a matter of getting the European powers to see the greater good of allyship. You'd think EU would know the price of appeasement by now. I agree EU+USA would maintain the 'world peace' that we are living in now. On September 17 2012 01:54 Voltaire wrote:
I'm pretty tired of people talking about China as if its our enemy. It's not. Yeah, they have a pretty bad human rights record, but so do tons of countries. China is really bad though. I'd worry about China being oppressive- they'd see themselves as rulers- not leaders. Russia is pretty bad, as well- and doesn't have a very charitiable record of donations for world wide crisis. Though even a Russian domination (which i'm not sure is actually possible, but tha'ts a different discussion) would be more tolerable than China. China, N Korea, MEast would all more likly than not- be oppressive as world leaders. this is of course my opinion. All China seeks is unity. Sorry I just don't believe that. History: Germany said they were jsut trying to unite the Germanic tribes and German speaking people... How did that turn out again? History ALWAYS repeats itself. Though knowledge and understanding we can delay this for as long as we can, till the inevietable occurs.
Well, that was one of the goals. Unfortunately just a minor one...
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On September 17 2012 02:31 SayGen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 02:26 Pseudoku wrote:On September 17 2012 02:08 SayGen wrote:On September 17 2012 01:51 sephiria wrote:On September 17 2012 01:39 Ventris wrote:Europe, esp the EU needs to step up soon. America can't hold forever. I agree, but it will depend on how the unification process continues. The current nation states are to small to finance an efficient military able to operate on a global scale and don't really need it for their political agenda. thats plain wrong. If germany would stop pumping money into israel's military or into the infamous 'kampf gegen rechts' the economic strength of germany and a few other key states (UK and France) would enable the EU to build an incredibly strong army. The problem ist that the german population tends to think that military strength is bad. the prestige of being in the army is extremly low. soldiers are mostly regarded as primitive thugs (not my opinion, just what I observed) Without giving up freedom to the EU (which, if done, will in the end give birth to widespread discontent. You cant just break nation states. Sooner or later they will re-emerge) I also think EUstates need to step up and side with Japan and US to balance out the rising power of China. Eh Germany protecting Israel is good for Germany, Eu, and America. The ME has never forgiven the EU for the crusades. Keep in mind, the ME has expanded into Europe before (Spain) That natural expansion of the ME is into Europe- not Afrcia or Middle Asia. Plus you gotta ask yourself, do you want Germans fighting the ME unified armies, or German soldiers? Better to fund Israel who has been on good terms dispite the events in WWII. EU can build an army now. Their combined GDP is AMAZING, a true POWERHOUSE if there ever was one. It's just a matter of getting the European powers to see the greater good of allyship. You'd think EU would know the price of appeasement by now. I agree EU+USA would maintain the 'world peace' that we are living in now. On September 17 2012 01:54 Voltaire wrote:
I'm pretty tired of people talking about China as if its our enemy. It's not. Yeah, they have a pretty bad human rights record, but so do tons of countries. China is really bad though. I'd worry about China being oppressive- they'd see themselves as rulers- not leaders. Russia is pretty bad, as well- and doesn't have a very charitiable record of donations for world wide crisis. Though even a Russian domination (which i'm not sure is actually possible, but tha'ts a different discussion) would be more tolerable than China. China, N Korea, MEast would all more likly than not- be oppressive as world leaders. this is of course my opinion. All China seeks is unity. Sorry I just don't believe that. History: Germany said they were jsut trying to unite the Germanic tribes and German speaking people... How did that turn out again? History ALWAYS repeats itself. Though knowledge and understanding we can delay this for as long as we can, till the inevietable occurs.
Saying that European history is going to repeat itself everywhere else in the world is just a tad insane. I, for one, don't think we're ever going to get what they had in Europe in America.
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On September 17 2012 02:23 Xpace wrote:
TL;DR: China can't do shit to Japan. They're not in a position to do whatever they want, at least not yet - it's in their best interests to keep things 'cool'. They need Japan. Korea needs Japan. Both countries (the people) hate Japan, but the 1% knows what's up. America's too smart to get their hands dirty, it's not in their best interests to piss off China, especially when it's Japan that's the target - it's not like the Chinese are preparing to invade Japan. Japan is the most insignificant of the three, they have no muscles to flex, yet their overinflated pride doesn't exactly allow them to concede, and even if they do, will that really quell the anti-Japanese sentiment in China/Korea?
What? Why does korea need japan?
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On September 17 2012 02:26 fatfail wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 02:23 Xpace wrote:I remember seeing this painting in a French art magazine when I was living in Toronto back in 2006, by an expatriate Chinese in Canada. Titled "2008 Beijing", in commemoration of the 2008 Summer Olympic games held in Beijing, the painting was chock full of imagery and hidden meanings underneath the art. Many people, especially Chinese-Canadians and Chinese-Americans found it to be an excellent interpretation of the political situation in the Far East, particularly from a Chinese perspective. "2008 Beijing" by Liu Yi Firstly, the girl wearing a traditional article of Chinese lingerie with her hand in a fruit bowl represents Taiwan. The four mahjong players also represent countries – America faces the viewer, and opposite America is China. To the right, the reclining girl is Russia, and to the left, naked and scrutinising her tiles, is Japan. The image depicts the situation facing Taiwan, but Taiwan herself is not at the table. Only the four players of America, China, Japan and Russia will determine the outcome of this game. The skies beyond the window are dark and unsettled, as is the current situation. The clothing the four girls at the table are wearing expresses their respective strengths. America is in a strong position being fully clothed, and confidently watches Taiwan for a chance to strike without being overly concerned about the state of the game. Russia lies languidly with one leg resting on America, and an arm outstretched to China, stealthily assisting China with her concealed tiles. But Russia has no real interest in Taiwan, and her tiles are not strong. She is only interested in exploiting the Taiwan situation to her advantage, sympathising with America whilst selling weapons to China. China herself is half-naked, much of her body and clothing obscured from view by the table, preventing anyone from seeing how strong she is. One of her tiles is “East,” representing the DF-31 “East Wind” long range missile (ICBM). China also keeps some of her tiles hidden behind her, ready for any change in the game. Just how strong she really is, nobody knows. On the left, the naked girl is Japan. She has no clothes at all – she is the weakest of the four. She scrutinizes her tiles intently, completely oblivious to the artful tricks the other players are employing. Japan only conceives of the Taiwan issue in terms of how she can gain regional power – she is blind to the global aspect of the game. Whilst she may have a good hand, little does she realize the game will not be won through tiles alone. On China’s shoulder is a tattoo – the Fenghuang, or “Chinese phoenix.” This signifies the fact that in China traditional culture runs only skin deep – she is otherwise just the same as the west. On the contrary, it is Taiwan, with her traditional attire, who is the real heir to Chinese culture. Taiwan holds a fruit knife, but it is of no use in a game of mahjong and she cannot bring it to bear. All she can do is hold onto her fruit as the game plays out. This is probably off-topic when discussing about the issue of the Chinese riots, but after reading several posts arguing about America, Japan and China's position in the Far East, especially those with TL ID's from China saying "fuck Japan" and those from Japan saying "history is history, move on", I couldn't fathom how either side can't seem to look past emotions, or whatever the hell is motivating them to spout such ignorant nonsense. TL;DR: China can't do shit to Japan. They're not in a position to do whatever they want, at least not yet - it's in their best interests to keep things 'cool'. They need Japan. Korea needs Japan. Both countries (the people) hate Japan, but the 1% knows what's up. America's too smart to get their hands dirty, it's not in their best interests to piss off China, especially when it's Japan that's the target - it's not like the Chinese are preparing to invade Japan. Japan is the most insignificant of the three, they have no muscles to flex, yet their overinflated pride doesn't exactly allow them to concede, and even if they do, will that really quell the anti-Japanese sentiment in China/Korea? Correct, China cant do shit. Their economy would crumble and their navy is terrible anyways. The commanders are incompetent and the soldiers aren't disciplined.
You Sir, are completly wrong, as a fellow countryman I'll try to explain this to you.
China holds one of the few economies in the world that are least impacted by global affairs.
China contorls China's economy. They make everything they need, and own(not buy) resources around the world that arn't found in China.
Their commanders are VERY loyal, and highly trained. Maybe not as much as USA or Japan/EU but to say they are incompetent is FOOLISH.
Americans... I'd like to apologise to the TL community- I promise we arn't all arogant, and do support the greater good. Some of us are just a little too full-of-ourselves.
The only true thing you said is that China's soliders arn't disiplined. This is true- they pretty much hand them guns and say go.
but with a population of 1BILLION+ you don't need disipline you just need them to run and ZERG their prey.
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On September 17 2012 02:35 SayGen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 02:26 fatfail wrote:On September 17 2012 02:23 Xpace wrote:I remember seeing this painting in a French art magazine when I was living in Toronto back in 2006, by an expatriate Chinese in Canada. Titled "2008 Beijing", in commemoration of the 2008 Summer Olympic games held in Beijing, the painting was chock full of imagery and hidden meanings underneath the art. Many people, especially Chinese-Canadians and Chinese-Americans found it to be an excellent interpretation of the political situation in the Far East, particularly from a Chinese perspective. "2008 Beijing" by Liu Yi Firstly, the girl wearing a traditional article of Chinese lingerie with her hand in a fruit bowl represents Taiwan. The four mahjong players also represent countries – America faces the viewer, and opposite America is China. To the right, the reclining girl is Russia, and to the left, naked and scrutinising her tiles, is Japan. The image depicts the situation facing Taiwan, but Taiwan herself is not at the table. Only the four players of America, China, Japan and Russia will determine the outcome of this game. The skies beyond the window are dark and unsettled, as is the current situation. The clothing the four girls at the table are wearing expresses their respective strengths. America is in a strong position being fully clothed, and confidently watches Taiwan for a chance to strike without being overly concerned about the state of the game. Russia lies languidly with one leg resting on America, and an arm outstretched to China, stealthily assisting China with her concealed tiles. But Russia has no real interest in Taiwan, and her tiles are not strong. She is only interested in exploiting the Taiwan situation to her advantage, sympathising with America whilst selling weapons to China. China herself is half-naked, much of her body and clothing obscured from view by the table, preventing anyone from seeing how strong she is. One of her tiles is “East,” representing the DF-31 “East Wind” long range missile (ICBM). China also keeps some of her tiles hidden behind her, ready for any change in the game. Just how strong she really is, nobody knows. On the left, the naked girl is Japan. She has no clothes at all – she is the weakest of the four. She scrutinizes her tiles intently, completely oblivious to the artful tricks the other players are employing. Japan only conceives of the Taiwan issue in terms of how she can gain regional power – she is blind to the global aspect of the game. Whilst she may have a good hand, little does she realize the game will not be won through tiles alone. On China’s shoulder is a tattoo – the Fenghuang, or “Chinese phoenix.” This signifies the fact that in China traditional culture runs only skin deep – she is otherwise just the same as the west. On the contrary, it is Taiwan, with her traditional attire, who is the real heir to Chinese culture. Taiwan holds a fruit knife, but it is of no use in a game of mahjong and she cannot bring it to bear. All she can do is hold onto her fruit as the game plays out. This is probably off-topic when discussing about the issue of the Chinese riots, but after reading several posts arguing about America, Japan and China's position in the Far East, especially those with TL ID's from China saying "fuck Japan" and those from Japan saying "history is history, move on", I couldn't fathom how either side can't seem to look past emotions, or whatever the hell is motivating them to spout such ignorant nonsense. TL;DR: China can't do shit to Japan. They're not in a position to do whatever they want, at least not yet - it's in their best interests to keep things 'cool'. They need Japan. Korea needs Japan. Both countries (the people) hate Japan, but the 1% knows what's up. America's too smart to get their hands dirty, it's not in their best interests to piss off China, especially when it's Japan that's the target - it's not like the Chinese are preparing to invade Japan. Japan is the most insignificant of the three, they have no muscles to flex, yet their overinflated pride doesn't exactly allow them to concede, and even if they do, will that really quell the anti-Japanese sentiment in China/Korea? Correct, China cant do shit. Their economy would crumble and their navy is terrible anyways. The commanders are incompetent and the soldiers aren't disciplined. You Sir, are completly wrong, as a fellow countryman I'll try to explain this to you. China holds one of the few economies in the world that are least impacted by global affairs. China contorls China's economy. They make everything they need, and own(not buy) resources around the world that arn't found in China. Their commanders are VERY loyal, and highly trained. Maybe not as much as USA or Japan/EU but to say they are incompetent is FOOLISH. Americans... I'd like to apologise to the TL community- I promise we arn't all arogant, and do support the greater good. Some of us are just a little too full-of-ourselves. The only true thing you said is that China's soliders arn't disiplined. This is true- they pretty much hand them guns and say go. but with a population of 1BILLION+ you don't need disipline you just need them to run and ZERG their prey.
For a person who served in the military you sure don't know modern warfare very well. Saying that the Chinese are just going to ZERG their way to victory is... I'm sorry, but this isn't Starcraft.
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On September 17 2012 02:35 Cubu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 02:23 Xpace wrote:
TL;DR: China can't do shit to Japan. They're not in a position to do whatever they want, at least not yet - it's in their best interests to keep things 'cool'. They need Japan. Korea needs Japan. Both countries (the people) hate Japan, but the 1% knows what's up. America's too smart to get their hands dirty, it's not in their best interests to piss off China, especially when it's Japan that's the target - it's not like the Chinese are preparing to invade Japan. Japan is the most insignificant of the three, they have no muscles to flex, yet their overinflated pride doesn't exactly allow them to concede, and even if they do, will that really quell the anti-Japanese sentiment in China/Korea? What? Why does korea need japan?
Economiclly, Korea does ALOT of trading and it's economy is supported largly by Japan.
If Korea ever made a power play (I don't think it ever will unless it has the FULL backing and support of China)
though all that is under the big "IF" Korea ever unifies- which won't happen in my lifetime.
The 2 people have been seperated for too long, cultures too diverse.
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On September 17 2012 02:37 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 02:35 SayGen wrote:On September 17 2012 02:26 fatfail wrote:On September 17 2012 02:23 Xpace wrote:I remember seeing this painting in a French art magazine when I was living in Toronto back in 2006, by an expatriate Chinese in Canada. Titled "2008 Beijing", in commemoration of the 2008 Summer Olympic games held in Beijing, the painting was chock full of imagery and hidden meanings underneath the art. Many people, especially Chinese-Canadians and Chinese-Americans found it to be an excellent interpretation of the political situation in the Far East, particularly from a Chinese perspective. "2008 Beijing" by Liu Yi Firstly, the girl wearing a traditional article of Chinese lingerie with her hand in a fruit bowl represents Taiwan. The four mahjong players also represent countries – America faces the viewer, and opposite America is China. To the right, the reclining girl is Russia, and to the left, naked and scrutinising her tiles, is Japan. The image depicts the situation facing Taiwan, but Taiwan herself is not at the table. Only the four players of America, China, Japan and Russia will determine the outcome of this game. The skies beyond the window are dark and unsettled, as is the current situation. The clothing the four girls at the table are wearing expresses their respective strengths. America is in a strong position being fully clothed, and confidently watches Taiwan for a chance to strike without being overly concerned about the state of the game. Russia lies languidly with one leg resting on America, and an arm outstretched to China, stealthily assisting China with her concealed tiles. But Russia has no real interest in Taiwan, and her tiles are not strong. She is only interested in exploiting the Taiwan situation to her advantage, sympathising with America whilst selling weapons to China. China herself is half-naked, much of her body and clothing obscured from view by the table, preventing anyone from seeing how strong she is. One of her tiles is “East,” representing the DF-31 “East Wind” long range missile (ICBM). China also keeps some of her tiles hidden behind her, ready for any change in the game. Just how strong she really is, nobody knows. On the left, the naked girl is Japan. She has no clothes at all – she is the weakest of the four. She scrutinizes her tiles intently, completely oblivious to the artful tricks the other players are employing. Japan only conceives of the Taiwan issue in terms of how she can gain regional power – she is blind to the global aspect of the game. Whilst she may have a good hand, little does she realize the game will not be won through tiles alone. On China’s shoulder is a tattoo – the Fenghuang, or “Chinese phoenix.” This signifies the fact that in China traditional culture runs only skin deep – she is otherwise just the same as the west. On the contrary, it is Taiwan, with her traditional attire, who is the real heir to Chinese culture. Taiwan holds a fruit knife, but it is of no use in a game of mahjong and she cannot bring it to bear. All she can do is hold onto her fruit as the game plays out. This is probably off-topic when discussing about the issue of the Chinese riots, but after reading several posts arguing about America, Japan and China's position in the Far East, especially those with TL ID's from China saying "fuck Japan" and those from Japan saying "history is history, move on", I couldn't fathom how either side can't seem to look past emotions, or whatever the hell is motivating them to spout such ignorant nonsense. TL;DR: China can't do shit to Japan. They're not in a position to do whatever they want, at least not yet - it's in their best interests to keep things 'cool'. They need Japan. Korea needs Japan. Both countries (the people) hate Japan, but the 1% knows what's up. America's too smart to get their hands dirty, it's not in their best interests to piss off China, especially when it's Japan that's the target - it's not like the Chinese are preparing to invade Japan. Japan is the most insignificant of the three, they have no muscles to flex, yet their overinflated pride doesn't exactly allow them to concede, and even if they do, will that really quell the anti-Japanese sentiment in China/Korea? Correct, China cant do shit. Their economy would crumble and their navy is terrible anyways. The commanders are incompetent and the soldiers aren't disciplined. You Sir, are completly wrong, as a fellow countryman I'll try to explain this to you. China holds one of the few economies in the world that are least impacted by global affairs. China contorls China's economy. They make everything they need, and own(not buy) resources around the world that arn't found in China. Their commanders are VERY loyal, and highly trained. Maybe not as much as USA or Japan/EU but to say they are incompetent is FOOLISH. Americans... I'd like to apologise to the TL community- I promise we arn't all arogant, and do support the greater good. Some of us are just a little too full-of-ourselves. The only true thing you said is that China's soliders arn't disiplined. This is true- they pretty much hand them guns and say go. but with a population of 1BILLION+ you don't need disipline you just need them to run and ZERG their prey. For a person who served in the military you sure don't know modern warfare very well. Saying that the Chinese are just going to ZERG their way to victory is... I'm sorry.
I guess you missed what a Chinese lead Navial Admiral said about the brand new STEALTH US cruiser.
I'm paraphrazing:
We wno't bother trying to defeat it's EWSs we will just grab a bunch of small boats with bombs and throw them at the cruiser. We win the cost battle 1000 to 1.
They will ZERG. as well as engage in modern warfare techniques.
They can and WILL do BOTH. A capability we don't have.
China has more men than we do bullets/bombs/rockets
Never forget that.
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