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The annual anniversary of the Mukden Incident is coming up.
The Mukden Incident, also known as the Manchurian Incident, was a staged event engineered by Japanese military personnel as a pretext for invading the northern part of China, known as Manchuria, in 1931.[1][2][3]
On September 18, 1931, a small quantity of dynamite was detonated by Lt. Kawamoto Suemori[4] close to a railroad owned by Japan's South Manchuria Railway near Mukden (now Shenyang).[5] Although the explosion was so weak that it failed to destroy the lines and a train passed minutes later, the Imperial Japanese Army, accusing Chinese dissidents of the act, responded with a full invasion that led to the occupation of Manchuria, in which Japan established its puppet state of Manchukuo six months later.
China's Independence Day is coming up on October 1st. Expect tons of protests between now and then.
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Just read the updated OP.
This is getting ridiculous, especially about the university text message wth
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I think something that needs to be said- that Orek sort of mentioned indirectly is
"Diplomacy is saying nice doggy while reaching for a big stick."
Balance of power = peace
When the cost of war outways it's profit there will be peace (unless your not of sound mind of course, there are always extremist).
Think I'm wrong. Consider this.
Once USA took over the world (Post Cold War)
There has never been a World War, and until a major power goes for a large scale power grab there won't be one again.
Though USA is being undermined, and likly won't be the big dog for much longer, maybe not even for the remainer of my lifetime--but for now I am enjoying the relative peace.
All armed conflicts are being carried out through proxy.
All large scale 'War' is economic.
The real trick is. How can American slowly back off it's power seat without leaving a massive vaccum.
Europe won't pick up the mantle, we've tried again and again but why would they spend money on a military when they got us to do everything for them?
I think we should bail on Europe with 90% of our troops, and force Europe to defend it's AoR and take a greater intrest in the ME with the aide of Austrilia (who for whatever reason is sadly overlooked in forgein affairs).
Don't get me wrong, I know why the EU won't step up, but would you perfer an Eastern power as lead puppet master or China?
China is poised to take over, with more spending in Stealth fighters.
https://www.google.com/search?q=China's new stealth plane&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&oe=&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=svpVUNm4B86tygHkoYDQBw&biw=1376&bih=690&sei=tfpVUNexNOOEygHH9YCIAg
They already took the American F22 design and modifed it to their liking, giving them a split tie in Air Supremecy- the 1st since since the cold war America has not held completly world air supremacy.
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it's the island man! it's the island!
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On September 17 2012 01:16 SayGen wrote:I think something that needs to be said- that Orek sort of mentioned indirectly is "Diplomacy is saying nice doggy while reaching for a big stick." Balance of power = peace When the cost of war outways it's profit there will be peace (unless your not of sound mind of course, there are always extremist). Think I'm wrong. Consider this. Once USA took over the world (Post Cold War) There has never been a World War, and until a major power goes for a large scale power grab there won't be one again. Though USA is being undermined, and likly won't be the big dog for much longer, maybe not even for the remainer of my lifetime--but for now I am enjoying the relative peace. All armed conflicts are being carried out through proxy. All large scale 'War' is economic. The real trick is. How can American slowly back off it's power seat without leaving a massive vaccum. Europe won't pick up the mantle, we've tried again and again but why would they spend money on a military when they got us to do everything for them? I think we should bail on Europe with 90% of our troops, and force Europe to defend it's AoR and take a greater intrest in the ME with the aide of Austrilia (who for whatever reason is sadly overlooked in forgein affairs). Don't get me wrong, I know why the EU won't step up, but would you perfer an Eastern power as lead puppet master or China? China is poised to take over, with more spending in Stealth fighters. https://www.google.com/search?q=China's new stealth plane&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&oe=&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=svpVUNm4B86tygHkoYDQBw&biw=1376&bih=690&sei=tfpVUNexNOOEygHH9YCIAgThey already took the American F22 design and modifed it to their liking, giving them a split tie in Air Supremecy- the 1st since since the cold war America has not held completly world air supremacy.
One weapons system doth not air dominance make. China's PLAAF still has a long way to go in operational expertise and air "infrastructure" (refuelers, AWACS, electronic warfare).
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How strange is it that countries with the most patriotism propaganda are also the pronest to kill and destroy. (China, NK, USA...)
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On September 17 2012 01:21 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 01:16 SayGen wrote:I think something that needs to be said- that Orek sort of mentioned indirectly is "Diplomacy is saying nice doggy while reaching for a big stick." Balance of power = peace When the cost of war outways it's profit there will be peace (unless your not of sound mind of course, there are always extremist). Think I'm wrong. Consider this. Once USA took over the world (Post Cold War) There has never been a World War, and until a major power goes for a large scale power grab there won't be one again. Though USA is being undermined, and likly won't be the big dog for much longer, maybe not even for the remainer of my lifetime--but for now I am enjoying the relative peace. All armed conflicts are being carried out through proxy. All large scale 'War' is economic. The real trick is. How can American slowly back off it's power seat without leaving a massive vaccum. Europe won't pick up the mantle, we've tried again and again but why would they spend money on a military when they got us to do everything for them? I think we should bail on Europe with 90% of our troops, and force Europe to defend it's AoR and take a greater intrest in the ME with the aide of Austrilia (who for whatever reason is sadly overlooked in forgein affairs). Don't get me wrong, I know why the EU won't step up, but would you perfer an Eastern power as lead puppet master or China? China is poised to take over, with more spending in Stealth fighters. https://www.google.com/search?q=China's new stealth plane&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&oe=&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=svpVUNm4B86tygHkoYDQBw&biw=1376&bih=690&sei=tfpVUNexNOOEygHH9YCIAgThey already took the American F22 design and modifed it to their liking, giving them a split tie in Air Supremecy- the 1st since since the cold war America has not held completly world air supremacy. One weapons system doth not air dominance make. China's PLAAF still has a long way to go in operational expertise and air "infrastructure" (refuelers, AWACS, electronic warfare).
I completly agree, I was simply giving one example for time sake.
I could also go into China's Naval operations, esp near the Sea of Japan.
Total Chinese Mil funding has been on the increase.
China may not true Global Reach power like US does, but they are a rising player- with a STRONG economic foundation (a critical part, often overlooked).
Also from an EW (Electronic Warfare) angle Look at things such as Cyber power- China's world leader, USA is a pathetic 6th --though it's hard to prove whos better since it's all [super secret squirrel] stuff.
Look at number of space satalites, etc.
China is on the rise, I think we can both agree on that.
Europe, esp the EU needs to step up soon. America can't hold forever.
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On September 16 2012 20:04 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 19:59 Sickkiee wrote:On September 16 2012 06:10 TehPrime wrote:On September 16 2012 06:08 Fantaisie wrote:
So much hatred. I don't understand this. Considering fact that you probably don't understand the history between these two countries, you wouldn't understand the hatred between China and japan. Keyword: history. Leave it in the past. Move on. Almost every single Japanese national (from what i can tell from TL ID's) has responded the same way as you. This nonchalance is why the entirety of east asia and many parts of SEA are so furious and loath Japan...
Hahahaha good joke ... No ... We are actually very furious and loath China right now.
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On September 17 2012 01:26 AgniKai wrote:
How strange is it that countries with the most patriotism propaganda are also the pronest to kill and destroy. (China, NK, USA...)
Very true. IMHO it all goes back to Darwin. (not the evolution part, the island bird part)
You are either a shark or a gubby.
Those who do not engage in warfare are at a disadvantage.
IE the 3 most powerful countries on earth are VERY patriotic. USA,China,Russia.
Darwin tells us that aggression is key to survival.
War- though ugly, does like a fire, forge stronger metal.
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On September 17 2012 01:28 SayGen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 01:21 Shady Sands wrote:On September 17 2012 01:16 SayGen wrote:I think something that needs to be said- that Orek sort of mentioned indirectly is "Diplomacy is saying nice doggy while reaching for a big stick." Balance of power = peace When the cost of war outways it's profit there will be peace (unless your not of sound mind of course, there are always extremist). Think I'm wrong. Consider this. Once USA took over the world (Post Cold War) There has never been a World War, and until a major power goes for a large scale power grab there won't be one again. Though USA is being undermined, and likly won't be the big dog for much longer, maybe not even for the remainer of my lifetime--but for now I am enjoying the relative peace. All armed conflicts are being carried out through proxy. All large scale 'War' is economic. The real trick is. How can American slowly back off it's power seat without leaving a massive vaccum. Europe won't pick up the mantle, we've tried again and again but why would they spend money on a military when they got us to do everything for them? I think we should bail on Europe with 90% of our troops, and force Europe to defend it's AoR and take a greater intrest in the ME with the aide of Austrilia (who for whatever reason is sadly overlooked in forgein affairs). Don't get me wrong, I know why the EU won't step up, but would you perfer an Eastern power as lead puppet master or China? China is poised to take over, with more spending in Stealth fighters. https://www.google.com/search?q=China's new stealth plane&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&oe=&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=svpVUNm4B86tygHkoYDQBw&biw=1376&bih=690&sei=tfpVUNexNOOEygHH9YCIAgThey already took the American F22 design and modifed it to their liking, giving them a split tie in Air Supremecy- the 1st since since the cold war America has not held completly world air supremacy. One weapons system doth not air dominance make. China's PLAAF still has a long way to go in operational expertise and air "infrastructure" (refuelers, AWACS, electronic warfare). Europe, esp the EU needs to step up soon. America can't hold forever.
How are they supposed to do that with Goldman Sachs screwing with them?
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On September 17 2012 01:34 Lucumo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 01:28 SayGen wrote:On September 17 2012 01:21 Shady Sands wrote:On September 17 2012 01:16 SayGen wrote:I think something that needs to be said- that Orek sort of mentioned indirectly is "Diplomacy is saying nice doggy while reaching for a big stick." Balance of power = peace When the cost of war outways it's profit there will be peace (unless your not of sound mind of course, there are always extremist). Think I'm wrong. Consider this. Once USA took over the world (Post Cold War) There has never been a World War, and until a major power goes for a large scale power grab there won't be one again. Though USA is being undermined, and likly won't be the big dog for much longer, maybe not even for the remainer of my lifetime--but for now I am enjoying the relative peace. All armed conflicts are being carried out through proxy. All large scale 'War' is economic. The real trick is. How can American slowly back off it's power seat without leaving a massive vaccum. Europe won't pick up the mantle, we've tried again and again but why would they spend money on a military when they got us to do everything for them? I think we should bail on Europe with 90% of our troops, and force Europe to defend it's AoR and take a greater intrest in the ME with the aide of Austrilia (who for whatever reason is sadly overlooked in forgein affairs). Don't get me wrong, I know why the EU won't step up, but would you perfer an Eastern power as lead puppet master or China? China is poised to take over, with more spending in Stealth fighters. https://www.google.com/search?q=China's new stealth plane&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&oe=&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=svpVUNm4B86tygHkoYDQBw&biw=1376&bih=690&sei=tfpVUNexNOOEygHH9YCIAgThey already took the American F22 design and modifed it to their liking, giving them a split tie in Air Supremecy- the 1st since since the cold war America has not held completly world air supremacy. One weapons system doth not air dominance make. China's PLAAF still has a long way to go in operational expertise and air "infrastructure" (refuelers, AWACS, electronic warfare). Europe, esp the EU needs to step up soon. America can't hold forever. How are they supposed to do that with Goldman Sachs screwing with them?
God, I hate them 2. They are too busy focusing on profits now, instead of seeing the bigger picture.
We need to do something about GSachs- but that's a topic for a later day.
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Probably start of Chinas plan to take over the world ?
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On September 17 2012 01:28 SayGen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 01:21 Shady Sands wrote:On September 17 2012 01:16 SayGen wrote:I think something that needs to be said- that Orek sort of mentioned indirectly is "Diplomacy is saying nice doggy while reaching for a big stick." Balance of power = peace When the cost of war outways it's profit there will be peace (unless your not of sound mind of course, there are always extremist). Think I'm wrong. Consider this. Once USA took over the world (Post Cold War) There has never been a World War, and until a major power goes for a large scale power grab there won't be one again. Though USA is being undermined, and likly won't be the big dog for much longer, maybe not even for the remainer of my lifetime--but for now I am enjoying the relative peace. All armed conflicts are being carried out through proxy. All large scale 'War' is economic. The real trick is. How can American slowly back off it's power seat without leaving a massive vaccum. Europe won't pick up the mantle, we've tried again and again but why would they spend money on a military when they got us to do everything for them? I think we should bail on Europe with 90% of our troops, and force Europe to defend it's AoR and take a greater intrest in the ME with the aide of Austrilia (who for whatever reason is sadly overlooked in forgein affairs). Don't get me wrong, I know why the EU won't step up, but would you perfer an Eastern power as lead puppet master or China? China is poised to take over, with more spending in Stealth fighters. https://www.google.com/search?q=China's new stealth plane&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&oe=&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=svpVUNm4B86tygHkoYDQBw&biw=1376&bih=690&sei=tfpVUNexNOOEygHH9YCIAgThey already took the American F22 design and modifed it to their liking, giving them a split tie in Air Supremecy- the 1st since since the cold war America has not held completly world air supremacy. One weapons system doth not air dominance make. China's PLAAF still has a long way to go in operational expertise and air "infrastructure" (refuelers, AWACS, electronic warfare). I completly agree, I was simply giving one example for time sake. I could also go into China's Naval operations, esp near the Sea of Japan. Total Chinese Mil funding has been on the increase. China may not true Global Reach power like US does, but they are a rising player- with a STRONG economic foundation (a critical part, often overlooked). Also from an EW (Electronic Warfare) angle Look at things such as Cyber power- China's world leader, USA is a pathetic 6th --though it's hard to prove whos better since it's all [super secret squirrel] stuff. Look at number of space satalites, etc. China is on the rise, I think we can both agree on that. Europe, esp the EU needs to step up soon. America can't hold forever.
Why does EU have to step up? China will eventually take on the USA altogether and then the table have to switch.
You are sounding rather pessimistic that a non white nation will be the leader of the world. That's bias on your part which makes you prefering one race over another, AKA racism.
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On September 17 2012 01:34 Lucumo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 01:28 SayGen wrote:On September 17 2012 01:21 Shady Sands wrote:On September 17 2012 01:16 SayGen wrote:I think something that needs to be said- that Orek sort of mentioned indirectly is "Diplomacy is saying nice doggy while reaching for a big stick." Balance of power = peace When the cost of war outways it's profit there will be peace (unless your not of sound mind of course, there are always extremist). Think I'm wrong. Consider this. Once USA took over the world (Post Cold War) There has never been a World War, and until a major power goes for a large scale power grab there won't be one again. Though USA is being undermined, and likly won't be the big dog for much longer, maybe not even for the remainer of my lifetime--but for now I am enjoying the relative peace. All armed conflicts are being carried out through proxy. All large scale 'War' is economic. The real trick is. How can American slowly back off it's power seat without leaving a massive vaccum. Europe won't pick up the mantle, we've tried again and again but why would they spend money on a military when they got us to do everything for them? I think we should bail on Europe with 90% of our troops, and force Europe to defend it's AoR and take a greater intrest in the ME with the aide of Austrilia (who for whatever reason is sadly overlooked in forgein affairs). Don't get me wrong, I know why the EU won't step up, but would you perfer an Eastern power as lead puppet master or China? China is poised to take over, with more spending in Stealth fighters. https://www.google.com/search?q=China's new stealth plane&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&oe=&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=svpVUNm4B86tygHkoYDQBw&biw=1376&bih=690&sei=tfpVUNexNOOEygHH9YCIAgThey already took the American F22 design and modifed it to their liking, giving them a split tie in Air Supremecy- the 1st since since the cold war America has not held completly world air supremacy. One weapons system doth not air dominance make. China's PLAAF still has a long way to go in operational expertise and air "infrastructure" (refuelers, AWACS, electronic warfare). Europe, esp the EU needs to step up soon. America can't hold forever. How are they supposed to do that with Goldman Sachs screwing with them?
Goldman Sachs screwing the EU? The EU has been screwing themselves by giving new stimulus packages to Greece/Spain/Italy every other day.
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Europe, esp the EU needs to step up soon. America can't hold forever.
I agree, but it will depend on how the unification process continues. The current nation states are to small to finance an efficient military able to operate on a global scale and don't really need it for their political agenda.
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On September 17 2012 01:38 Voltaire wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 01:34 Lucumo wrote:On September 17 2012 01:28 SayGen wrote:On September 17 2012 01:21 Shady Sands wrote:On September 17 2012 01:16 SayGen wrote:I think something that needs to be said- that Orek sort of mentioned indirectly is "Diplomacy is saying nice doggy while reaching for a big stick." Balance of power = peace When the cost of war outways it's profit there will be peace (unless your not of sound mind of course, there are always extremist). Think I'm wrong. Consider this. Once USA took over the world (Post Cold War) There has never been a World War, and until a major power goes for a large scale power grab there won't be one again. Though USA is being undermined, and likly won't be the big dog for much longer, maybe not even for the remainer of my lifetime--but for now I am enjoying the relative peace. All armed conflicts are being carried out through proxy. All large scale 'War' is economic. The real trick is. How can American slowly back off it's power seat without leaving a massive vaccum. Europe won't pick up the mantle, we've tried again and again but why would they spend money on a military when they got us to do everything for them? I think we should bail on Europe with 90% of our troops, and force Europe to defend it's AoR and take a greater intrest in the ME with the aide of Austrilia (who for whatever reason is sadly overlooked in forgein affairs). Don't get me wrong, I know why the EU won't step up, but would you perfer an Eastern power as lead puppet master or China? China is poised to take over, with more spending in Stealth fighters. https://www.google.com/search?q=China's new stealth plane&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&oe=&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=svpVUNm4B86tygHkoYDQBw&biw=1376&bih=690&sei=tfpVUNexNOOEygHH9YCIAgThey already took the American F22 design and modifed it to their liking, giving them a split tie in Air Supremecy- the 1st since since the cold war America has not held completly world air supremacy. One weapons system doth not air dominance make. China's PLAAF still has a long way to go in operational expertise and air "infrastructure" (refuelers, AWACS, electronic warfare). Europe, esp the EU needs to step up soon. America can't hold forever. How are they supposed to do that with Goldman Sachs screwing with them? Goldman Sachs screwing the EU? The EU has been screwing themselves by giving new stimulus packages to Greece/Spain/Italy every other day.
We gave nothing to Italy. And i would rather bail out Greece than the Deutsche Bank which would be 10 times more expensive.
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On September 17 2012 01:36 Vandrad wrote:
Probably start of Chinas plan to take over the world ?
It's not the start, early game yes- but not the start.
Why does EU have to step up? China will eventually take on the USA altogether and then the table have to switch.
You are sounding rather pessimistic that a non white nation will be the leader of the world. That's bias on your part which makes you prefering one race over another, AKA racism.
Who said anything about white.... you are aware that libel is a crime.
China's record on human rights isn't nearly as good as Americas.
EU also has a decent record on human rights- and that decent record DWARFS Chinas.
Please take your racist remarks somewhere else, they have no place here at TL.
Goldman Sachs screwing the EU? The EU has been screwing themselves by giving new stimulus packages to Greece/Spain/Italy every other day.
EU isn't being smart, but pointing out their bad behavior doens't excuse the bad behavior of Goldman Sachs.
EDIT: Spelling.
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On September 17 2012 01:29 vndestiny wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 20:04 ShadeR wrote:On September 16 2012 19:59 Sickkiee wrote:On September 16 2012 06:10 TehPrime wrote:On September 16 2012 06:08 Fantaisie wrote:
So much hatred. I don't understand this. Considering fact that you probably don't understand the history between these two countries, you wouldn't understand the hatred between China and japan. Keyword: history. Leave it in the past. Move on. Almost every single Japanese national (from what i can tell from TL ID's) has responded the same way as you. This nonchalance is why the entirety of east asia and many parts of SEA are so furious and loath Japan... Hahahaha good joke ... No ... We are actually very furious and loath China right now.
Is it because China is now a bit of a bully and Vietnam is still in poverty?
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On September 17 2012 01:39 Ventris wrote:I agree, but it will depend on how the unification process continues. The current nation states are to small to finance an efficient military able to operate on a global scale and don't really need it for their political agenda.
Their political agenda will be forced ot change when America loses it's seat on the main stage.
Step up now.
Military 101 Lesson
PPPPP
Prior Preperation Prevents Piss Poor Performace
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On September 17 2012 01:16 SayGen wrote:I think something that needs to be said- that Orek sort of mentioned indirectly is "Diplomacy is saying nice doggy while reaching for a big stick." Balance of power = peace When the cost of war outways it's profit there will be peace (unless your not of sound mind of course, there are always extremist). Think I'm wrong. Consider this. Once USA took over the world (Post Cold War) There has never been a World War, and until a major power goes for a large scale power grab there won't be one again. Though USA is being undermined, and likly won't be the big dog for much longer, maybe not even for the remainer of my lifetime--but for now I am enjoying the relative peace. All armed conflicts are being carried out through proxy. All large scale 'War' is economic. The real trick is. How can American slowly back off it's power seat without leaving a massive vaccum. Europe won't pick up the mantle, we've tried again and again but why would they spend money on a military when they got us to do everything for them? I think we should bail on Europe with 90% of our troops, and force Europe to defend it's AoR and take a greater intrest in the ME with the aide of Austrilia (who for whatever reason is sadly overlooked in forgein affairs). Don't get me wrong, I know why the EU won't step up, but would you perfer an Eastern power as lead puppet master or China? China is poised to take over, with more spending in Stealth fighters. https://www.google.com/search?q=China's new stealth plane&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&oe=&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=svpVUNm4B86tygHkoYDQBw&biw=1376&bih=690&sei=tfpVUNexNOOEygHH9YCIAgThey already took the American F22 design and modifed it to their liking, giving them a split tie in Air Supremecy- the 1st since since the cold war America has not held completly world air supremacy.
Like it or not, USA will not continue to be the only world super power as it is today. Pax Americana is going to end sooner or later. No super power in the history has lasted forever just like Pax Britannica had to end about 100 years ago. How to soft-land is the question at hand. The days of Pax China might come sooner than we think, or there might be Pax China-Americana in transition. Whatever the case, USA needs a smart plan to become non-super power of the world. Just like UK did, USA can leave influence to the world while scaling down. It might be hard to discard the idea of "America as No.1" mentality, though.
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