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On September 16 2012 22:21 zev318 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 22:18 FindMeInKenya wrote:On September 16 2012 22:18 Nizaris wrote:On September 16 2012 22:12 FindMeInKenya wrote:On September 16 2012 21:59 Nizaris wrote:On September 16 2012 20:35 Cirn9 wrote:
All this over uninhabited islands? I guess I don't really get it. China is this upset over it?
They're doing way worse but trying to force that pro-China education in HK this is about oil, and fish. they only care about resources on those islands. that is a gross generalization....... For the Chinese at least, it's more about preserving territorial sovereignty and historical rights. that's just their excuse. if there wasn't resources there no1 would care. and.......... you would be wrong. i agree, you can tell how much they care about territorial sovereignty and historical rights by how many japanese cars they smash on the streets.
The average Chinese has no outlet for retaliation except to try to hurt Japanese businesses by dissuading other Chinese from buying them - ie by destroying Japanese made property - and by boycotting Japanese products.
However, what their acts ultimately do is embolden the Chinese government towards confrontation by showing that the people are angry.
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On September 16 2012 22:21 zev318 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 22:18 FindMeInKenya wrote:On September 16 2012 22:18 Nizaris wrote:On September 16 2012 22:12 FindMeInKenya wrote:On September 16 2012 21:59 Nizaris wrote:On September 16 2012 20:35 Cirn9 wrote:
All this over uninhabited islands? I guess I don't really get it. China is this upset over it?
They're doing way worse but trying to force that pro-China education in HK this is about oil, and fish. they only care about resources on those islands. that is a gross generalization....... For the Chinese at least, it's more about preserving territorial sovereignty and historical rights. that's just their excuse. if there wasn't resources there no1 would care. and.......... you would be wrong. i agree, you can tell how much they care about territorial sovereignty and historical rights by how many japanese cars they smash on the streets. btw i hope they keep rioting IN china, do more damage to your own country. /popcorn this kid is smarter than everyone there. + Show Spoiler +
China did not give a damn about those islands until it was acknowledged that there are valuable resources there.
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On September 16 2012 22:24 Souma wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 22:21 zev318 wrote:On September 16 2012 22:18 FindMeInKenya wrote:On September 16 2012 22:18 Nizaris wrote:On September 16 2012 22:12 FindMeInKenya wrote:On September 16 2012 21:59 Nizaris wrote:On September 16 2012 20:35 Cirn9 wrote:
All this over uninhabited islands? I guess I don't really get it. China is this upset over it?
They're doing way worse but trying to force that pro-China education in HK this is about oil, and fish. they only care about resources on those islands. that is a gross generalization....... For the Chinese at least, it's more about preserving territorial sovereignty and historical rights. that's just their excuse. if there wasn't resources there no1 would care. and.......... you would be wrong. i agree, you can tell how much they care about territorial sovereignty and historical rights by how many japanese cars they smash on the streets. btw i hope they keep rioting IN china, do more damage to your own country. /popcorn this kid is smarter than everyone there. + Show Spoiler + China did not give a damn about those islands until it was acknowledged that there are valuable resources there.
come on man, do i really need to add a sarcasm tag there?
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On September 16 2012 22:21 zev318 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 22:18 FindMeInKenya wrote:On September 16 2012 22:18 Nizaris wrote:On September 16 2012 22:12 FindMeInKenya wrote:On September 16 2012 21:59 Nizaris wrote:On September 16 2012 20:35 Cirn9 wrote:
All this over uninhabited islands? I guess I don't really get it. China is this upset over it?
They're doing way worse but trying to force that pro-China education in HK this is about oil, and fish. they only care about resources on those islands. that is a gross generalization....... For the Chinese at least, it's more about preserving territorial sovereignty and historical rights. that's just their excuse. if there wasn't resources there no1 would care. and.......... you would be wrong. i agree, you can tell how much they care about territorial sovereignty and historical rights by how many japanese cars they smash on the streets. btw i hope they keep rioting IN china, do more damage to your own country. /popcorn this kid is smarter than everyone there. + Show Spoiler +
There are dumb ppl everywhere...... what's your point?
On September 16 2012 22:24 Souma wrote:
China did not give a damn about those islands until it was acknowledged that there are valuable resources there.
com'on bro, at least have the courtesy to read whatever posted on the previous page......
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My following post does not respond particularly to this thread.
We can not change history and we should not manipulate history. It would be rude and disrespectful to the victim. The same as saying their pain and suffering never happen. The same as saying the offender has the right to do wrong. We can never completely undo wrong, but it should be acknowledge and recorded as is. Always if possible, justice.
And now we have Japanese Education Institute changing school history textbook. Just because they don't like what happened. That is not the way to make amendment.
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On September 16 2012 22:25 zev318 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 22:24 Souma wrote:On September 16 2012 22:21 zev318 wrote:On September 16 2012 22:18 FindMeInKenya wrote:On September 16 2012 22:18 Nizaris wrote:On September 16 2012 22:12 FindMeInKenya wrote:On September 16 2012 21:59 Nizaris wrote:On September 16 2012 20:35 Cirn9 wrote:
All this over uninhabited islands? I guess I don't really get it. China is this upset over it?
They're doing way worse but trying to force that pro-China education in HK this is about oil, and fish. they only care about resources on those islands. that is a gross generalization....... For the Chinese at least, it's more about preserving territorial sovereignty and historical rights. that's just their excuse. if there wasn't resources there no1 would care. and.......... you would be wrong. i agree, you can tell how much they care about territorial sovereignty and historical rights by how many japanese cars they smash on the streets. btw i hope they keep rioting IN china, do more damage to your own country. /popcorn this kid is smarter than everyone there. + Show Spoiler + China did not give a damn about those islands until it was acknowledged that there are valuable resources there. come on man, do i really need to add a sarcasm tag there?
I was responding to the quote you quoted lol.
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Violence isn't justified, but I'm pretty "anti-Japanese" myself in some ways. Their dishonest treatment of history on all levels, including the highest level of government, is completely disgusting, and continues to inform their policy towards their neighbours today.
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On September 16 2012 19:01 ninini wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 17:53 Scarecrow wrote:
No, I didn't. It's complicated how the South feels about the North and it's definitely not at the level of hate/racism that's directed at the Japanese. They see NK as a wayward part of the family but still essentially Korean (some even supported them 2nd behind SK in the Olympics). Mention of the Japanese just evokes hostility.
You should read again what I said. I said nothing about the relationship between north and south korea. What I said is that North Korea hates Japan a lot more than South Korea hates Japan, and China probably does too, although before this event I probably wouldn't have said the latter. By comparison, they are. South Korea was built on borrowed Japanese money and investments for crying out loud. They may not love eachother, but they definately seem capable of cooperating. Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 18:06 Xiahou wrote:On September 16 2012 17:47 ninini wrote:On September 16 2012 15:04 RavenLoud wrote:On September 16 2012 14:52 ninini wrote:
You have to remember that it's the ppl, not the chinese government that is responsible. But it's just childish. If Japan owes any country an apology, it's Korea, both south and north. Atleast they didn't occupy the entire country of China. South Korea doesn't have a major problem with Japan, so why China? China is pretty much the last country that would have the right to complain about others. It makes you wonder how much anti-japan propaganda they must have been exposed to. It's quite sad actually.
Oh come on. Show a little humanity here. You talk as if the Chinese people deserve all the war crimes just because the CCP sucks, when they actually had to deal with both. 20 million people died in China. I'm sure that's more than the entire war casualty in the history of the US. Even if the entire country wasn't occupied because it was a freaking big country with a lot of resistance, the occupied territory is way bigger than Korea itself. It's not just about the war crimes itself, it's about the dismissive attitude of the Japanese government and their insincere apologies as well as the textbook issue. Oh, and South Korea do have some major problems with Japan, and they are also exposed to some pretty heavy anti-Japan propaganda. Plus they also have their own island debate with em! (Dokudo islands) EDIT: You know what, the more I read this post the more it sounds not just ignorant but outright sinophobic. Wouldn't have expected this from a Swede... My point is, the Chinese ppl should riot against their own government, not against Japan. What harm have Japan done to anyone since WW2? You could blame them for being passive-aggressive, which I did, and I also explained why Japan have a hard time admitting fault. Just to make things clear, the japanese conservatism is not the ppl's fault, it's a democratic problem. But what about China? What have they done since the war? A lot more. Look at how they have treated their own ppl, and how they are treating North Korean refugees. And note how they fought against freedom in Vietnam and Korea, and contributed to millions of deaths. If they were so disgusted by japanese imperialism, then why did they follow in their footsteps? Well, the chinese ppl probably don't know that they were imperialists, because of their government. Instead, they have been taught that they were the ones fighting for freedom. They don't know that the only reason why they adopted communism to begin with, was because a guy named Stalin financed the party into power. Believe me, I have no preconceived opinions about asian ppl, or any other group for that matter. I don't know why you made those claims, and if you knew me, you would know that I'm very open and trusting towards different cultures. However I'm not a big fan of the Chinese government, but that's a major difference. I know a few germans, who was born there and moved to Sweden as adults, and while reading this thread it occured to me that it had never before crossed my mind that these germans (who I consider as friends), had relatives that fought in the war for Nazi Germany, or even were part of the Nazi party. The reason why this never had crossed my mind is because I don't believe that the ppl are the same as their government, and I also don't believe that anyone should be blamed for what their ancestors did, so I never saw the connection between germans living in the 00's and the nazi party. Maybe you guys should try thinking the same way. China, Korea and Japan are all victims one way or another, but unlike China, Japan have turned their backs on destructive behaviour and is trying to do good. Yes, it's true that the government of China is going in the right direction, and the sudden influx of chinese students in the swedish university I attend pleases me a lot, but China still have a long way to go before they reach Japan's standards. Rioting about what happened 70 years ago is silly and childish, and especially so in this situation, where the Chinese government have a lot more to ask for forgiveness for. On September 16 2012 15:08 Scarecrow wrote:On September 16 2012 14:52 ninini wrote:
South Korea doesn't have a major problem with Japan, so why China? Patently untrue. South Korea hates Japan more than any other country (China probably comes in 2nd) and naturally has huge issues over what happened in WW2 and the earlier occupations/invasions. Slurs like 'monkey' are commonplace. ......Didn't you forget a country called North Korea? North Korea is the only enemy of Japan, and the "admiration" goes both ways. South Korea don't have a major problem with Japan. That's the truth. Note that I used the adjective "major". They have collaborated with them a lot through the years, and if it weren't for Japan, South Korea wouldn't be what it is today. Obviously, there are some negative tension, given their history, but you don't see riots like this happening, and the governments are well-behaved towards eachother, which you can't say about the China/North Korea-Japan relations. Wow... You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. 90% of Chinese mainlanders I know are under no illusion that they are living in a free and democratic state. But they don't complain because no one can bring 1.3 billion people out of poverty by giving everyone a vote at the ballots. You might think that everyone in China subsists off a diet of government sanctioned history textbooks, but believe or not, they do have access to the Internet, and the joke of a 'internet firewall' is hardly adequate in the face of all the exploits and bypasses that Chinese netizens have created. In fact, I can safely say that any Chinese on the Internet will have a reasonable understanding of the Great Leap Forward, the Cultural Revolution, and the bullshit that happened in 1989. You may think I'm going off on a tangent here, but I'm really trying to make the point that if the Chinese are not doing anything against the government, it's not for lack of knowledge or anything of that sort. It's condescending to think that we know more about some things that happened in their own country than them because we supposedly have 'freedom' to information. Why make a statement like that, when you don't even try to dispel any of my claims. If I'm really clueless, please educate me. That's the point of debates. This seems to be a really loaded subject, I guess a result of this is that a lot of ppl here are reading too much into what others are saying and skewing words. I'm guessing what you reacted on was that I possibly exaggerated how much the Chinese ppl knows about history, but if they really know as much as we do, they have even more reasons to be discontent with their own government, and although their attacks on Japan are understandable, these ppl really should direct their anger at their own government, which is a much greater offender than Japan, especially these days. Anyway, I agree completely that even if the majority wants it, China will not change dramatically overnight. Russia is still struggling, and it will not be any easier for China.
First of all it's your job to prove what you say correct, not his to prove what you say isn't. That's common sense... the life of the average Chinese people has improved unbelievably in the last 30 or so years, from poverty to a very comfortable life for the better off and even the poor have benefitted. Chinese people know their elections are B.S., but guess what? Right now they don't give a shit. The fact that you call fighting for their own national interests in Vietnam and Korea "Fighting against freedom" shows that you basically soak in propaganda like a sponge, it's very difficult to argue with people like you because you don't even try to see where the people you talk to are coming from. It takes a special level of delusion to think the U.S. was in Korea and Vietnam for the sake of the people's "freedom".
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On September 16 2012 20:04 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 19:59 Sickkiee wrote:On September 16 2012 06:10 TehPrime wrote:On September 16 2012 06:08 Fantaisie wrote:
So much hatred. I don't understand this. Considering fact that you probably don't understand the history between these two countries, you wouldn't understand the hatred between China and japan. Keyword: history. Leave it in the past. Move on. Almost every single Japanese national (from what i can tell from TL ID's) has responded the same way as you. This nonchalance is why the entirety of east asia and many parts of SEA are so furious and loath Japan...
So then Poland has to hate Germany for what they did?
So then everybody has to hate Stalin forever?
Mate, people move on. I am not even Japanese but half Polish. My father does not resent the Germans for what they did to his father nor his grand father. How can you? Either they are all dead, alive and resent the fact or are in jail.
It's people like you that spin the hate that is in our world.
(Trying my hardest not to sound like a hippy is quite hard).
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I find it odd that I have to get on TL, a fricken foreign based GAMING FORUM to learn the current news of MY LOCATION.
IM LIVING IN SHANGHAI ATM. I DONT HEAR NONE OF THIS SHIT. WTF
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On September 16 2012 22:41 padfoota wrote:
I find it odd that I have to get on TL, a fricken foreign based GAMING FORUM to learn the current news of MY LOCATION.
IM LIVING IN SHANGHAI ATM. I DONT HEAR NONE OF THIS SHIT. WTF
i got to say, whatever news outlet you usually read is doing a pretty bad job lol (wait, isnt all news outlets in china run by the government?)
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On September 16 2012 22:38 Sickkiee wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 20:04 ShadeR wrote:On September 16 2012 19:59 Sickkiee wrote:On September 16 2012 06:10 TehPrime wrote:On September 16 2012 06:08 Fantaisie wrote:
So much hatred. I don't understand this. Considering fact that you probably don't understand the history between these two countries, you wouldn't understand the hatred between China and japan. Keyword: history. Leave it in the past. Move on. Almost every single Japanese national (from what i can tell from TL ID's) has responded the same way as you. This nonchalance is why the entirety of east asia and many parts of SEA are so furious and loath Japan... So then Poland has to hate Germany for what they did? So then everybody has to hate Stalin forever? Mate, people move on. I am not even Japanese but half Polish. My father does not resent the Germans for what they did to his father nor his grand father. How can you? Either they are all dead, alive and resent the fact or are in jail. It's people like you that spin the hate that is in our world. (Trying my hardest not to sound like a hippy is quite hard).
Do you think the Jews feel the same way?
Hatred is, I think, a defense mechanism. It keeps you alert and ready to fight against those who have hurt you in the past.
In a perfect world, there is no hatred. But in this world, and knowing what Japan did when it was at a military advantage over its neighbors, and how it has failed to be remorseful over what it did, I think that it is understandable that the Chinese are angry and hateful towards that country.
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On September 16 2012 22:41 padfoota wrote:
I find it odd that I have to get on TL, a fricken foreign based GAMING FORUM to learn the current news of MY LOCATION.
IM LIVING IN SHANGHAI ATM. I DONT HEAR NONE OF THIS SHIT. WTF
The very first news result on Baidu is the exact same lead story as in all the foreign papers: http://news.baidu.com/
Headline: 日本首相要求中方保护在华日本人安全
It says (I think) that Japan has requested China help protect Japanese living in China, and to keep them safe.
Every person in China has been talking about the island dispute for days, and it's in papers across the country.
Am I missing something?
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On September 16 2012 22:38 Sickkiee wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 20:04 ShadeR wrote:On September 16 2012 19:59 Sickkiee wrote:On September 16 2012 06:10 TehPrime wrote:On September 16 2012 06:08 Fantaisie wrote:
So much hatred. I don't understand this. Considering fact that you probably don't understand the history between these two countries, you wouldn't understand the hatred between China and japan. Keyword: history. Leave it in the past. Move on. Almost every single Japanese national (from what i can tell from TL ID's) has responded the same way as you. This nonchalance is why the entirety of east asia and many parts of SEA are so furious and loath Japan... So then Poland has to hate Germany for what they did? So then everybody has to hate Stalin forever? Mate, people move on. I am not even Japanese but half Polish. My father does not resent the Germans for what they did to his father nor his grand father. How can you? Either they are all dead, alive and resent the fact or are in jail. It's people like you that spin the hate that is in our world. (Trying my hardest not to sound like a hippy is quite hard).
And Germany apologize for what they did during WWII several times in the most public way possible. In comparison, this is what the Japanese did. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_Japan. And to this day, they deny the Rape of Nanging, forcing women in Korea, China, Taiwan as their sexual 'comforter', rewriting their history on WWII as something insignificant, and the list goes on.
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On September 16 2012 22:54 Tal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 22:41 padfoota wrote:
I find it odd that I have to get on TL, a fricken foreign based GAMING FORUM to learn the current news of MY LOCATION.
IM LIVING IN SHANGHAI ATM. I DONT HEAR NONE OF THIS SHIT. WTF The very first news result on Baidu is the exact same lead story as in all the foreign papers: http://news.baidu.com/It says that Japan has requested China help protect Japanese living there, and to keep them safe. Every person in China has been talking about the island dispute for days, and it's in papers across the country. Am I missing something?
Im a foreigner by heart  and I have been outside for three days (not for long)
aaaaannnnd I dont read the local newspaper
And I refuse to use Baidu unless absolutely needed to research something.
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On September 16 2012 22:55 FindMeInKenya wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 22:38 Sickkiee wrote:On September 16 2012 20:04 ShadeR wrote:On September 16 2012 19:59 Sickkiee wrote:On September 16 2012 06:10 TehPrime wrote:On September 16 2012 06:08 Fantaisie wrote:
So much hatred. I don't understand this. Considering fact that you probably don't understand the history between these two countries, you wouldn't understand the hatred between China and japan. Keyword: history. Leave it in the past. Move on. Almost every single Japanese national (from what i can tell from TL ID's) has responded the same way as you. This nonchalance is why the entirety of east asia and many parts of SEA are so furious and loath Japan... So then Poland has to hate Germany for what they did? So then everybody has to hate Stalin forever? Mate, people move on. I am not even Japanese but half Polish. My father does not resent the Germans for what they did to his father nor his grand father. How can you? Either they are all dead, alive and resent the fact or are in jail. It's people like you that spin the hate that is in our world. (Trying my hardest not to sound like a hippy is quite hard). And Germany apologize for what they did during WWII several times in the most public way possible. In comparison, this is what the Japanese did. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_JapanAnd to this day, they deny the Rape of Nanging, forcing women in Korea, China, Taiwan as their sexual 'comforter', rewriting their history on WWII as something insignificant, and the list goes on.
This is depressing to read. Sometimes i get the feeling Germany is the only country that seriously dealt with its WW2 history.
Maybe too well...today we have a strange national attitude of pacifism and simply sell our weapons to everyone else.
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On September 16 2012 22:55 FindMeInKenya wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 22:38 Sickkiee wrote:On September 16 2012 20:04 ShadeR wrote:On September 16 2012 19:59 Sickkiee wrote:On September 16 2012 06:10 TehPrime wrote:On September 16 2012 06:08 Fantaisie wrote:
So much hatred. I don't understand this. Considering fact that you probably don't understand the history between these two countries, you wouldn't understand the hatred between China and japan. Keyword: history. Leave it in the past. Move on. Almost every single Japanese national (from what i can tell from TL ID's) has responded the same way as you. This nonchalance is why the entirety of east asia and many parts of SEA are so furious and loath Japan... So then Poland has to hate Germany for what they did? So then everybody has to hate Stalin forever? Mate, people move on. I am not even Japanese but half Polish. My father does not resent the Germans for what they did to his father nor his grand father. How can you? Either they are all dead, alive and resent the fact or are in jail. It's people like you that spin the hate that is in our world. (Trying my hardest not to sound like a hippy is quite hard). And Germany apologize for what they did during WWII several times in the most public way possible. In comparison, this is what the Japanese did. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_Japan
Yeah everybody got this point, right now the thread devolved in Japan bashing. While we are at it, what do you read in american school books about the a bombs, about Agent orange or about the Rhine meadows? The usual consens seems to be denial.
Japan's apologies might be half assed, but they are there. It is hypocrisy of the highest order to point the finger towards Japan while being in denial yourself (not aimed specifically at you, more the official government line).
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On September 16 2012 23:00 AngryMag wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 22:55 FindMeInKenya wrote:On September 16 2012 22:38 Sickkiee wrote:On September 16 2012 20:04 ShadeR wrote:On September 16 2012 19:59 Sickkiee wrote:On September 16 2012 06:10 TehPrime wrote:On September 16 2012 06:08 Fantaisie wrote:
So much hatred. I don't understand this. Considering fact that you probably don't understand the history between these two countries, you wouldn't understand the hatred between China and japan. Keyword: history. Leave it in the past. Move on. Almost every single Japanese national (from what i can tell from TL ID's) has responded the same way as you. This nonchalance is why the entirety of east asia and many parts of SEA are so furious and loath Japan... So then Poland has to hate Germany for what they did? So then everybody has to hate Stalin forever? Mate, people move on. I am not even Japanese but half Polish. My father does not resent the Germans for what they did to his father nor his grand father. How can you? Either they are all dead, alive and resent the fact or are in jail. It's people like you that spin the hate that is in our world. (Trying my hardest not to sound like a hippy is quite hard). And Germany apologize for what they did during WWII several times in the most public way possible. In comparison, this is what the Japanese did. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_Japan Yeah everybody got this point, right now the thread devolved in Japan bashing. While we are at it, what do you read in american school books about the a bombs, about Agent orange or about the Rhine meadows? The usual consens seems to be denial. Japan's apologies might be half assed, but they are there. It is hypocrisy of the highest order to point the finger towards Japan while being in denial yourself (not aimed specifically at you, more the official government line).
To be honest I don't think there's any country other than Germany who actually faces their past head-on and with full remorse. =/ Shame, really.
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On September 16 2012 23:00 AngryMag wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 22:55 FindMeInKenya wrote:On September 16 2012 22:38 Sickkiee wrote:On September 16 2012 20:04 ShadeR wrote:On September 16 2012 19:59 Sickkiee wrote:On September 16 2012 06:10 TehPrime wrote:On September 16 2012 06:08 Fantaisie wrote:
So much hatred. I don't understand this. Considering fact that you probably don't understand the history between these two countries, you wouldn't understand the hatred between China and japan. Keyword: history. Leave it in the past. Move on. Almost every single Japanese national (from what i can tell from TL ID's) has responded the same way as you. This nonchalance is why the entirety of east asia and many parts of SEA are so furious and loath Japan... So then Poland has to hate Germany for what they did? So then everybody has to hate Stalin forever? Mate, people move on. I am not even Japanese but half Polish. My father does not resent the Germans for what they did to his father nor his grand father. How can you? Either they are all dead, alive and resent the fact or are in jail. It's people like you that spin the hate that is in our world. (Trying my hardest not to sound like a hippy is quite hard). And Germany apologize for what they did during WWII several times in the most public way possible. In comparison, this is what the Japanese did. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_Japan Yeah everybody got this point, right now the thread devolved in Japan bashing. While we are at it, what do you read in american school books about the a bombs, about Agent orange or about the Rhine meadows? The usual consens seems to be denial. Japan's apologies might be half assed, but they are there. It is hypocrisy of the highest order to point the finger towards Japan while being in denial yourself (not aimed specifically at you, more the official government line).
It IS hypocritical, and US did more shady stuff than most realized. This type of behavior, however, should not be condoned. The public officials, older generations, and normal human being like you and me should better ourselves and be patterns and examples for our sons and daughters SO THAT, hopefully, the future generations wouldn't learn from our erroneous ways and not repeat precisely what transpired in the past.
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On September 16 2012 21:19 gape.ninja wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 21:10 fearus wrote:On September 16 2012 19:59 Sickkiee wrote:On September 16 2012 06:10 TehPrime wrote:On September 16 2012 06:08 Fantaisie wrote:
So much hatred. I don't understand this. Considering fact that you probably don't understand the history between these two countries, you wouldn't understand the hatred between China and japan. Keyword: history. Leave it in the past. Move on. Why don't we drop some nukes on you tomorrow and a week later it will be history too along with your country. lol, ok bro
Good thing China is too pragmatic for that, where else would they get their tentacle porn?
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