Pro-China, Anti-Japan Protests - Page 111

On September 25 2012 02:35 Shady Sands wrote:


How is this true? All China needs would be:

1) Japanese withdrawal from the Diaoyu Islands
2) Dismantling of the JMSDF (not the whole military, just the naval component that continually poses a threat to Chinese shipping)
3) The abdication and elimination of the Japanese imperial seat (the institution most responsible for the terrors and tragedies of WW2 in Asia)

In lieu of empty words, how about some concrete actions from the Japanese to show regret and win forgiveness from their neighbors?

That's it. Why are those three things so hard?

On September 26 2012 16:48 NonFactor wrote:
I find it funny that I can recognize which of the American posters here are Korean / Chinese descent the way they post regarding this event. Nationalism is a powerful thing.

My 2 cents as an outsider currently in Japan and who will live in China in a few months: Shit is crazy and stupid. Sadly this is one of those issues that cant really be solved with everyone walking away happy. But I dont personally think anything major will blow out of this. Everyone has too much to lose over some small islands and right wingers.

On September 26 2012 16:37 bioniK wrote:
All this hate for Japan just comes from misunderstanding and refusal to properly blame anyone that is actually relevant to the atrocities committed by the Japanese govenment 70 year ago. Everytime I see Koreans/Chinese people just talk about how Japanese people are, its just so fucking sad and pitiful. People are so hurt and focused on getting revenge instead of moving on with they're lives that they pass they're grudge and hate down to the next generation so they have to bear the burden of a 70 year old scar that honestly does nothing but create conflict today.

Some background info on me: I was raised by my Korean grandmother who had ties to Korean nobility that also had ties to the last empress of Korea who was brutally assassinated by Japanese imperialist when they conquered Korea. Despite resentment of being conquered by a foreign nation, my grandmother's father held a respected position in the village where she lived under the governement ruled by Japan. Life was great until WW2 where all possessions were stripped by the Japanese, and she and her family was forced to live in a camp where living conditions were terrible. Everyday in camp if you were disobediant you were beaten and weren't given food or water, children were conditioned to believe that Japan was a great nation that sought to bring divinity to all of Asia and that the United States were seeking to colonize all of Asia under its rule. As the war progressed my grandmother was taught things like "never accept chocolate from a American, its poisoned and you will immediately die after eating it." When the war was over my grandmother who lived a life of a educated Korean noble was left with nothing, absolutely nothing. She sold rice for a living, voluntarily educated some children in her village(for free) and emigrated to the United States where she and her husband worked 60 hours a week to support themselves.

Today she bears no grudges to Japan, she tells me these stories occasionally because she remembers when times were tough, but she understands that the people that made her suffer are long dead and gone and doesn't want the future generation of Japanese/Koreans to bear the pain or shame of the past. My grandmother didn't suffer the worst punishments that the Imperial Japanese government had to offer because the people that had to suffer those punishments are long dead from the experiments of unit 731 and she is grateful that she is alive today.

It really saddens me when people can't move on because they hold onto that pain so near and dear to they're heart that even they're children are saying things like "fuck Japan" when in reality if a belligerent nation were to attack they're country, Japan would be the first to its aid.

I don't know much about Japanese text books because I've never read one, but what I have read is American text books and honestly I didn't learn anything about unit 731 in high school despite taking AP World History. Apparently that wasn't part of the curriculm that was nationaly recognized. Here we have a native of Japan who most likely read Japanese text books claiming that most of those text books that sought to white wash WW2 era of Japan are not recognized by most Japanese school boards and yet we still continue to argue that Japan is trying to white wash some of it's atrocities that it committed during WW2. Maybe Japan is really ashamed of its past and is trying to forget, I definately hold it within the realm of possibilites. But if Japan is too ashamed to make proper amends then Korea and China are too angry to accept a proper apology. So maybe the best course of action is to wait until things cool off until Japan is ready to deliver a "sincere" apology and East Asia is ready to accept one.

As for the whole thing xelnage empire is saying with Mike Honda and his wonderful resolution, all I have to ask is "Have you ever been the Washington and saw what goes on in the House of Representatives?" Those guys represent ALL the people of the United States, every little fucking problem goes to those guys and they have to constantly argue about shit that the collective majority of those guys don't give 2 shits about. What probably happened was: Mike Honda constantly bitches about resolution 121, fails 5 times on the 6th try people just want to bite down on their cyanide capsules so they just vote yes to shut the guy up.

Now I apologize about the wall of text but as a Korean American I feel all this hate towards Japan is too counter productive for our societies.

On September 27 2012 06:31 TehPrime wrote:
Some Koreans can argue that the hate against Japan has actually helped them move forward the economy during the Park's presidency during the Fifth Republic. It motivated people during the economic reformation.

On September 26 2012 16:37 bioniK wrote:
All this hate for Japan just comes from misunderstanding and refusal to properly blame anyone that is actually relevant to the atrocities committed by the Japanese govenment 70 year ago. Everytime I see Koreans/Chinese people just talk about how Japanese people are, its just so fucking sad and pitiful. People are so hurt and focused on getting revenge instead of moving on with they're lives that they pass they're grudge and hate down to the next generation so they have to bear the burden of a 70 year old scar that honestly does nothing but create conflict today.

Some background info on me: I was raised by my Korean grandmother who had ties to Korean nobility that also had ties to the last empress of Korea who was brutally assassinated by Japanese imperialist when they conquered Korea. Despite resentment of being conquered by a foreign nation, my grandmother's father held a respected position in the village where she lived under the governement ruled by Japan. Life was great until WW2 where all possessions were stripped by the Japanese, and she and her family was forced to live in a camp where living conditions were terrible. Everyday in camp if you were disobediant you were beaten and weren't given food or water, children were conditioned to believe that Japan was a great nation that sought to bring divinity to all of Asia and that the United States were seeking to colonize all of Asia under its rule. As the war progressed my grandmother was taught things like "never accept chocolate from a American, its poisoned and you will immediately die after eating it." When the war was over my grandmother who lived a life of a educated Korean noble was left with nothing, absolutely nothing. She sold rice for a living, voluntarily educated some children in her village(for free) and emigrated to the United States where she and her husband worked 60 hours a week to support themselves.

Today she bears no grudges to Japan, she tells me these stories occasionally because she remembers when times were tough, but she understands that the people that made her suffer are long dead and gone and doesn't want the future generation of Japanese/Koreans to bear the pain or shame of the past. My grandmother didn't suffer the worst punishments that the Imperial Japanese government had to offer because the people that had to suffer those punishments are long dead from the experiments of unit 731 and she is grateful that she is alive today.

It really saddens me when people can't move on because they hold onto that pain so near and dear to they're heart that even they're children are saying things like "fuck Japan" when in reality if a belligerent nation were to attack they're country, Japan would be the first to its aid.

I don't know much about Japanese text books because I've never read one, but what I have read is American text books and honestly I didn't learn anything about unit 731 in high school despite taking AP World History. Apparently that wasn't part of the curriculm that was nationaly recognized. Here we have a native of Japan who most likely read Japanese text books claiming that most of those text books that sought to white wash WW2 era of Japan are not recognized by most Japanese school boards and yet we still continue to argue that Japan is trying to white wash some of it's atrocities that it committed during WW2. Maybe Japan is really ashamed of its past and is trying to forget, I definately hold it within the realm of possibilites. But if Japan is too ashamed to make proper amends then Korea and China are too angry to accept a proper apology. So maybe the best course of action is to wait until things cool off until Japan is ready to deliver a "sincere" apology and East Asia is ready to accept one.

As for the whole thing xelnage empire is saying with Mike Honda and his wonderful resolution, all I have to ask is "Have you ever been the Washington and saw what goes on in the House of Representatives?" Those guys represent ALL the people of the United States, every little fucking problem goes to those guys and they have to constantly argue about shit that the collective majority of those guys don't give 2 shits about. What probably happened was: Mike Honda constantly bitches about resolution 121, fails 5 times on the 6th try people just want to bite down on their cyanide capsules so they just vote yes to shut the guy up.

Now I apologize about the wall of text but as a Korean American I feel all this hate towards Japan is too counter productive for our societies.

On September 26 2012 17:10 Orek wrote:
Since this thread is slowly dying, which itself isn't a bad thing, I woud like to thank all the posters here. I agreed with some and disagreed with others, but overall, I learned a lot from this thread. Reading different opinions didn't quite change mine, but at least I now understand the other side of the argument so much better. I hope my input did the same for some people. I tried to stick to evidence/law as much as possible, but sometimes I posted unconstructive emotional comments. I apologize for those. This post doesn't mean this is my last post. I will continue to post when something interesting comes up. I just wanted to thank you all before this thread completely dies.

On September 27 2012 13:25 Shady Sands wrote:
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When will a US naval officer speak Chinese as well as this guy can speak English?

On September 27 2012 13:43 Caihead wrote:
Seems like the Chinese foreign relations department just got severely pissed off by Prime Minister Noda's speech.
http://news.cntv.cn/china/20120927/103481.shtml
This is actually the first government public announcement that has an unapologetic sensationalist emotional tone to it. Hmm.

Also a report denouncing those who "use the nationalism / love of one's country disguise" who committed criminal acts during the riots. Manhunts for the people who damaged vehicles and property.
http://news.cntv.cn/china/20120926/106970.shtml