Pro-China, Anti-Japan Protests - Page 109

On September 25 2012 09:07 Orek wrote:

Also, it is pride that Chinese can't admit that China, a country once the greatest in the region, was weak when power meant a lot and have to blame someone else as scapegoat. Yeah, the history ever since the Opium War sucks, but just go blame yourselves for being weak. National pride doesn't allow you? Man, same thing everywhere...

On September 25 2012 09:18 Azarkon wrote:


It's not a great idea to be sardonic about an issue that you know very little about. I have yet to meet a Chinese person who did not think that China was weak during World War II - and indeed for centuries prior to it. But it is precisely the perception of past weakness that fuels the need for nationalism.

On September 25 2012 08:59 Azarkon wrote:


'It's pride, nothing more ... On japanese's side, as well as on every fucking other side...' is an universalist throw away that has no concrete existence in your actual posts. It's the equivalent of saying 'humans gonna do what humans do' and then going off on a specific group of humans for what they're doing, which you did twice in this thread. Given that 'it's pride on every fucking side,' what's your incentive behind insulting Koreans and Chinese for their opinions, while protecting the Japanese? It's pride that's preventing the Japanese from removing war criminals in the Yasukuni Shrine. It's also pride that prevented them from blaming their own emperor, who was obviously complicit in WW 2. Why protect either of these institutions?

He's not alone. And he's right. The proposals there are beyond stupid. Far beyond. If it is that what it takes to chill you people, i would tell you to fuck off as well.

On September 25 2012 09:07 Orek wrote:
Also, it is pride that Chinese can't admit that China, a country once the greatest in the region, was weak when power meant a lot and have to blame someone else as scapegoat. Yeah, the history ever since the Opium War sucks, but just go blame yourselves for being weak. National pride doesn't allow you? Man, same thing everywhere...

On September 25 2012 09:38 m4inbrain wrote:
I actually never even commented on the textbook controversy, because i had to read up on that and found sources that said that 2000 was the last incident, and that textbook was used by 0,0039% of japanese pupils in that grade.

On September 25 2012 15:06 oneofthem wrote:
all this focus on japanese education. try watching a night of teevee in china and all your wonderment about the sources of these antagonistic sentiments instantly disappear.

but whatever, you people obviously are hopeless. enjoy this macabre festival.

On September 25 2012 15:18 Shady Sands wrote:

No one is wondering about the source of these antagonistic sentiments. They rest squarely on the continued insistence of Japanese institutions to place military sovereignty above peace, and their kokutai and national dignity above sincere absolution.

After the war, Japan, under American occupation, adopted its new peace constitution and convicted twenty-seven political and military leaders in the Tokyo war crimes tribunal. But as a society, Japan never examined its responsibility for wartime atrocities as deeply and thoroughly as the Germans did. (Beginning in 2005, the Chinese government began trying to shame the Japanese by highlighting the comparison to postwar Germany.) Japanese schoolchildren learn a whitewashed version of the history of the war. A Japanese professor told me that when she and her students drove past an American military cemetery on a field trip to the island of Okinawa, now part of Japan, the students were surprised to learn that Americans had died in the Asian theater during World War II. Japanese museums dwell on the suffering of the Japanese victims of the American nuclear attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945 with hardly a mention of the
Japanese aggression that provoked it. No historical museum in Japan gives anything close to an accurate rendering of the atrocities that the Japanese army inflicted on China and Korea, including forced sexual slavery of “comfort women” and experiments with chemical and biological weapons on prisoners. The museum attached to the Yasukuni Shrine glosses over the Japanese occupation of China and focuses on the Japanese fight against Western (especially American) colonialism in Asia. As a result, although Japan’s prime ministers have repeatedly given “heartfelt apologies and condolences” for their country’s “damage and pain inflicted by colonial rule and invasion” as Koizumi expressed it in 2005, these words have never sounded sincere to the ears of their Asian neighbors.

Chinese rage against Japan’s failure to acknowledge its wartime guilt has intensified instead of dissipating with time. Chinese young people are if anything more obsessed by the history question than are their parents or grandparents. The potent combination of official propaganda and the sensational popular media, both of which tend to exploit and heighten the notion of wartime suffering for their own purposes, have made people more conscious of this painful history than ever before. The popular media and Internet news sites trawl the international news for stories that will attract Chinese audiences. Anything related to Japan’s wartime history or its current military development is sure to interest the young urbanites who are also the target audience of advertisers. Every reported outrage sparks excited discussions on Internet chat rooms. The media and Internet buzz gives leaders and officials, as well as ordinary people, the impression that anti-Japanese fervor is sweeping the country and encourages people to join in collective action like petitions and protests because they know they won’t be alone. It also makes policymakers—particularly the politicians—feel they are under intense pressure from public opinion and forces them to react publicly to even minor slights from Japan.

Every perceived slight by Japanese leaders, every revision of Japanese textbooks —as well as every misstep by Japanese students studying in China or Japanese visitors to China—is an opportunity for tabloid newspapers and Internet Web sites to attract audiences and whip up popular passions. Any event that connects Taiwan and Japan, such as a private visit to Japan by former Taiwan president Lee Teng-hui, is sure to arouse readers’ interest. A South China orgy involving a large group of Japanese businessmen and Chinese prostitutes that took place in September 2003—the anniversary of Japan’s invasion of Manchuria in 1931—first reported by China Youth Daily attracted more than seven thousand postings on prominent Web discussion sites in the first two days. Even flaws in Japanese products—the brakes failing on Mitsubishi jeeps or poor reception with Matsushita cell phones—are grist for the media and the chat rooms. Advertisements for Japanese products that inadvertently affront Chinese consumers—such as a Toyota ad that showed a Toyota Prado (unfortunately transliterated as Ba Dao, “the way of the hegemon”) driving in front of bowing Chinese stone lions under the line, “You cannot but respect the Ba Dao”—give people a chance to vent their anger toward Japan.

On September 25 2012 15:35 Taku wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19709355
Man, it's weird. Does Japan have a neighbour it *doesn't* have a territorial dispute with?

On September 25 2012 16:16 Orek wrote:


Nope. Losing a war sucks + no country around Japan signed San Fransisco Treaty which Japan bases its return to international community. Not to blame 1 side, but core of the issues is how San Fransisco Treaty is viewed.

On September 25 2012 15:06 oneofthem wrote:
all this focus on japanese education. try watching a night of teevee in china and all your wonderment about the sources of these antagonistic sentiments instantly disappear.

but whatever, you people obviously are hopeless. enjoy this macabre festival.

On September 25 2012 01:37 xelnaga_empire wrote:


Lol, uhmm, no.

No offense Brachester, but your knowledge on this subject matter is so poor, I recommend that you stay out of this thread. If you are going to join the discussion of this thread, at least have the courtesy to read up a little about the history surrounding the issues before giving your opinion.

Since you are from Australia, I just gave you a link to an Australian website that talks about the Japanese education system for WW2. Unfortunately, you obviously didn't read the link and you come back to this thread with zero knowledge of the issue at hand or the history behind it.

By 2030, projections suggest that more than 25% of Chinese men in their late 30s will never have married...
... This potential new class of single, frustrated men will number in the tens of millions in 2030.

On September 25 2012 18:40 brachester wrote:

1. I'm not australian
2. I did try research before coming here, it'd take you 2 seconds to look a couple of post above
3. I did look into your link.
4. Your link is too biased and it does not reflect the true situation. It focuses too much on the negative extreme nationalist while ignoring the fact that there are still a large group of people who oppose the war-crime cover up.
5. It also did not mention the fact that Ienaga AND his supporters did successful bring Nanjing Massacre, Comfort Women and anti-Japanese movement into Japanese History textbook so the situation is not as bad as you're making it to be.
6. It also did not mention that only 0.03% of japanese high schools use the new "brainwashing" textbook means that the vast majority of japanese people actually feel responsible that their kids need to learn the truth
7. also since you're so knowledgeable about this matter, I think it's your responsibility to inform the uninformed mass (like myself) instead of telling me to go away.