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On September 25 2012 07:34 xelnaga_empire wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 07:19 Orek wrote:
Yeah, Mike Honda is a Japanese American congressman from CALIFORNIA where Korean/Chinese immigrants are growing faster than Japanese. Kinda explains why this non-binding resolution failed to pass 5 times before this. Why fail 5 times if it is that important...
Yet he managed to convince more than 50% of the House of Representatives to vote for this resolution? So all the other congressmen that voted for this resolution also have Korean/Chinese immigrants growing faster in their districts as well? Say what you want and argue it any way you want, but the bottom line is, the US government told Japan it was behaving badly. And this is coming from Japan's closest friend. Now you will probably argue that the US isn't Japan's closet ally, lol.
Well, fair enough. Telling you that another Japanese descent Senator Daniel Inoue from Hawaii was against the resolution probably wouldn't help the discussion because you seem to intentionally pick convenient truths only. I just need a source which proves that "comfort women" were abducted/coereced to become one by Japanese Imperial Army. Non-binding resolution doesn't rewrite history anyways.
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On September 25 2012 06:33 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 06:30 yaliu07 wrote:On September 25 2012 06:24 Robinsa wrote:On September 25 2012 05:59 Azarkon wrote:On September 25 2012 05:33 m4inbrain wrote:On September 25 2012 05:26 Azarkon wrote:On September 25 2012 03:40 m4inbrain wrote:On September 25 2012 03:29 Taku wrote:On September 25 2012 03:26 Felnarion wrote:On September 25 2012 03:06 Shady Sands wrote:
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I am (and the Chinese people are) perfectly serious. I would think it would be embarrassing to openly admit that you want a country with a fraction of the population, which spends half as much (as a percent of GDP compared to China) on military...to lessen their military. That's absurd, asking for it will net you exactly: Everyone laughing in your face. It's absurd to the point of ridiculousness. Laugh in the face of 1.3 billion people at your own peril lol. He's not alone. And he's right. The proposals there are beyond stupid. Far beyond. If it is that what it takes to chill you people, i would tell you to fuck off as well. You said Japan has no way of redeeming itself in the eyes of the Chinese people. He gave you three steps that, however extreme, has a shot of doing it. You then replied by saying that this is 'a joke' and is 'ridiculous,' despite it being a direct and solid answer to your 'impossible task,' which in effect is an attempt to shift the blame to the Chinese side. In this, you are simply agreeing with what I concluded fifty pages ago - that Japan is not going to take the steps necessary to mend its image with its neighbors, and that therefore, time alone is going to have to do the trick. In that case, understand that people in China and Korea are going to resent Japan for the foreseeable future, and that events such as these protests, riots, etc. are going to continue. I didn't say its ridiculous or a joke, i said outright that it's stupid. And no, it's not possible. You can't do that, if you don't want your nation to disintegrate, therefore impossible. The fuck do you think would happen to japan if they "fire" their emperor just because some some foreign idiot wants to have that happen to feel satisfied? Are you really that shortsighted? Of course they could do that. You could also ask for every japanese to just suicide. Would be a possibility in your world, right? Oh, not to mention the fact that china just had a huge navy exercise at their border to japan including simulation of real combat and live ammunition is in no way an indicator for you that japan can't dismantle their navy, right? Man, if you don't have any argument, stop arguing. To say "well they could physically do it" does not mean that they actually can do it. I could jump without a parachute from a plane. Its possible, but seriously retarded. As are these "demands". I think it is very disingenuous to say that the steps he asked for is akin to 'telling every Japanese to commit suicide,' considering that eliminating the imperial seat and disarming Japan are both steps that the Allies were contemplating. The former was not implemented only because of MacArthur's geopolitical calculations, while the latter was implemented and only allowed to lapse because of Japan's strategic role in the US's Pacific Alliance. Neither of these steps are all that ridiculous for the treatment of a defeated aggressor in the postwar situation - for example, postwar Germany was basically subject to both of these conditions, and worse. It was the necessities of the Cold War that allowed both Germany and Japan to re-militarize - under Allied, though in effect primarily American - auspices. The Axis countries were prepared for both when they announced unconditional surrender, and the Allies were ready to deliver both till other concerns drove them in a different direction. Well I think you missed the point that the war ended 75 years ago and the people who participated in it are almost all dead. Forcing a country to disarm because their ancestors did something wrong is retarded. At least it will be obvious for the people who read thís thread to understand how much hate you harbor. I agree. I dont think Japan should not disarm their military. I do hope that you see that even Chinese hold a history grudge, but we also moved forward. We have a 40 years relationship with Japan. Nice to hear that there are reasonable voices out there, not just, uhm, "guys" like Azarkon and Letmelose.
I fail to see how you argue for 'reason' when your posts exude biases the size of Mt. Fuji.
I did not call for the fulfillment of 1, 2, and 3. However, you made the illogical assertion that nothing Japan does is enough to redeem itself in the eyes of the Chinese. This is obviously false.
Just because Japan is unwilling to do what is required, and just because there are logical causes for believing that what is required is too great for Japan to practically concede, does not make your assertion valid. Japan does have options - however impractical in the eyes of the Japanese - to redeem itself, but these options require an attitude of genuine remorse, which is not present in the Japanese government / public.
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On September 25 2012 07:52 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 06:33 m4inbrain wrote:On September 25 2012 06:30 yaliu07 wrote:On September 25 2012 06:24 Robinsa wrote:On September 25 2012 05:59 Azarkon wrote:On September 25 2012 05:33 m4inbrain wrote:On September 25 2012 05:26 Azarkon wrote:On September 25 2012 03:40 m4inbrain wrote:On September 25 2012 03:29 Taku wrote:On September 25 2012 03:26 Felnarion wrote:
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I would think it would be embarrassing to openly admit that you want a country with a fraction of the population, which spends half as much (as a percent of GDP compared to China) on military...to lessen their military.
That's absurd, asking for it will net you exactly: Everyone laughing in your face. It's absurd to the point of ridiculousness. Laugh in the face of 1.3 billion people at your own peril lol. He's not alone. And he's right. The proposals there are beyond stupid. Far beyond. If it is that what it takes to chill you people, i would tell you to fuck off as well. You said Japan has no way of redeeming itself in the eyes of the Chinese people. He gave you three steps that, however extreme, has a shot of doing it. You then replied by saying that this is 'a joke' and is 'ridiculous,' despite it being a direct and solid answer to your 'impossible task,' which in effect is an attempt to shift the blame to the Chinese side. In this, you are simply agreeing with what I concluded fifty pages ago - that Japan is not going to take the steps necessary to mend its image with its neighbors, and that therefore, time alone is going to have to do the trick. In that case, understand that people in China and Korea are going to resent Japan for the foreseeable future, and that events such as these protests, riots, etc. are going to continue. I didn't say its ridiculous or a joke, i said outright that it's stupid. And no, it's not possible. You can't do that, if you don't want your nation to disintegrate, therefore impossible. The fuck do you think would happen to japan if they "fire" their emperor just because some some foreign idiot wants to have that happen to feel satisfied? Are you really that shortsighted? Of course they could do that. You could also ask for every japanese to just suicide. Would be a possibility in your world, right? Oh, not to mention the fact that china just had a huge navy exercise at their border to japan including simulation of real combat and live ammunition is in no way an indicator for you that japan can't dismantle their navy, right? Man, if you don't have any argument, stop arguing. To say "well they could physically do it" does not mean that they actually can do it. I could jump without a parachute from a plane. Its possible, but seriously retarded. As are these "demands". I think it is very disingenuous to say that the steps he asked for is akin to 'telling every Japanese to commit suicide,' considering that eliminating the imperial seat and disarming Japan are both steps that the Allies were contemplating. The former was not implemented only because of MacArthur's geopolitical calculations, while the latter was implemented and only allowed to lapse because of Japan's strategic role in the US's Pacific Alliance. Neither of these steps are all that ridiculous for the treatment of a defeated aggressor in the postwar situation - for example, postwar Germany was basically subject to both of these conditions, and worse. It was the necessities of the Cold War that allowed both Germany and Japan to re-militarize - under Allied, though in effect primarily American - auspices. The Axis countries were prepared for both when they announced unconditional surrender, and the Allies were ready to deliver both till other concerns drove them in a different direction. Well I think you missed the point that the war ended 75 years ago and the people who participated in it are almost all dead. Forcing a country to disarm because their ancestors did something wrong is retarded. At least it will be obvious for the people who read thís thread to understand how much hate you harbor. I agree. I dont think Japan should not disarm their military. I do hope that you see that even Chinese hold a history grudge, but we also moved forward. We have a 40 years relationship with Japan. Nice to hear that there are reasonable voices out there, not just, uhm, "guys" like Azarkon and Letmelose. I fail to see how you argue for 'reason' when your posts exude biases the size of Mt. Fuji. I did not call for the fulfillment of 1, 2, and 3. However, you made the illogical assertion that nothing Japan does is enough to redeem itself in the eyes of the Chinese. This is obviously false. Just because Japan is unwilling to do what is required, and just because there are logical causes for believing that what is required is too great for Japan to practically concede, does not make your assertion valid. Japan do have options - however impractical in the eyes of the Japanese - to redeem itself.
Oh, i seem to have misquoted, did i quote you? I already told you, i refuse to "discuss" with you further, because you can't actually do it properly, and your reading comprehension is lacking. I already know that you disagree with everything i say, because its not always pro-china or always contra-japan.
Btw, your stupid semantic-game, please refuse to try to force that on me. You actually know pretty well what was meant, yet you try to twist it somehow. As i said, it would be even possible to nuke japan. Yet its impossible, even if its just a touch of a button. Maybe try to get realistic and stop taking whatever prevents you from being normal. Up until then, please stop talking to me, because your bias and hate-mongering is disgusting.
Also, just btw, as a "closing statement", the only one "counting votes" here, is you. As soon as someone has another opinion than you, they're heavily biased. Of course, you're completely objective, am i right? Wait, no - don't answer to that. Everyone can see for themselves. Have a nice life.
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On September 25 2012 08:00 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 07:52 Azarkon wrote:On September 25 2012 06:33 m4inbrain wrote:On September 25 2012 06:30 yaliu07 wrote:On September 25 2012 06:24 Robinsa wrote:On September 25 2012 05:59 Azarkon wrote:On September 25 2012 05:33 m4inbrain wrote:On September 25 2012 05:26 Azarkon wrote:On September 25 2012 03:40 m4inbrain wrote:On September 25 2012 03:29 Taku wrote:
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Laugh in the face of 1.3 billion people at your own peril lol. He's not alone. And he's right. The proposals there are beyond stupid. Far beyond. If it is that what it takes to chill you people, i would tell you to fuck off as well. You said Japan has no way of redeeming itself in the eyes of the Chinese people. He gave you three steps that, however extreme, has a shot of doing it. You then replied by saying that this is 'a joke' and is 'ridiculous,' despite it being a direct and solid answer to your 'impossible task,' which in effect is an attempt to shift the blame to the Chinese side. In this, you are simply agreeing with what I concluded fifty pages ago - that Japan is not going to take the steps necessary to mend its image with its neighbors, and that therefore, time alone is going to have to do the trick. In that case, understand that people in China and Korea are going to resent Japan for the foreseeable future, and that events such as these protests, riots, etc. are going to continue. I didn't say its ridiculous or a joke, i said outright that it's stupid. And no, it's not possible. You can't do that, if you don't want your nation to disintegrate, therefore impossible. The fuck do you think would happen to japan if they "fire" their emperor just because some some foreign idiot wants to have that happen to feel satisfied? Are you really that shortsighted? Of course they could do that. You could also ask for every japanese to just suicide. Would be a possibility in your world, right? Oh, not to mention the fact that china just had a huge navy exercise at their border to japan including simulation of real combat and live ammunition is in no way an indicator for you that japan can't dismantle their navy, right? Man, if you don't have any argument, stop arguing. To say "well they could physically do it" does not mean that they actually can do it. I could jump without a parachute from a plane. Its possible, but seriously retarded. As are these "demands". I think it is very disingenuous to say that the steps he asked for is akin to 'telling every Japanese to commit suicide,' considering that eliminating the imperial seat and disarming Japan are both steps that the Allies were contemplating. The former was not implemented only because of MacArthur's geopolitical calculations, while the latter was implemented and only allowed to lapse because of Japan's strategic role in the US's Pacific Alliance. Neither of these steps are all that ridiculous for the treatment of a defeated aggressor in the postwar situation - for example, postwar Germany was basically subject to both of these conditions, and worse. It was the necessities of the Cold War that allowed both Germany and Japan to re-militarize - under Allied, though in effect primarily American - auspices. The Axis countries were prepared for both when they announced unconditional surrender, and the Allies were ready to deliver both till other concerns drove them in a different direction. Well I think you missed the point that the war ended 75 years ago and the people who participated in it are almost all dead. Forcing a country to disarm because their ancestors did something wrong is retarded. At least it will be obvious for the people who read thís thread to understand how much hate you harbor. I agree. I dont think Japan should not disarm their military. I do hope that you see that even Chinese hold a history grudge, but we also moved forward. We have a 40 years relationship with Japan. Nice to hear that there are reasonable voices out there, not just, uhm, "guys" like Azarkon and Letmelose. I fail to see how you argue for 'reason' when your posts exude biases the size of Mt. Fuji. I did not call for the fulfillment of 1, 2, and 3. However, you made the illogical assertion that nothing Japan does is enough to redeem itself in the eyes of the Chinese. This is obviously false. Just because Japan is unwilling to do what is required, and just because there are logical causes for believing that what is required is too great for Japan to practically concede, does not make your assertion valid. Japan do have options - however impractical in the eyes of the Japanese - to redeem itself. Oh, i seem to have misquoted, did i quote you? I already told you, i refuse to "discuss" with you further, because you can't actually do it properly, and your reading comprehension is lacking. I already know that you disagree with everything i say, because its not always pro-china or always contra-japan. Btw, your stupid semantic-game, please refuse to try to force that on me. You actually know pretty well what was meant, yet you try to twist it somehow. As i said, it would be even possible to nuke japan. Yet its impossible, even if its just a touch of a button. Maybe try to get realistic and stop taking whatever prevents you from being normal. Up until then, please stop talking to me, because your bias and hate-mongering is disgusting. Also, just btw, as a "closing statement", the only one "counting votes" here, are you. As soon as someone has another opinion than you, they're heavily biased. Of course, you're completely objective, am i right? Wait, no - don't answer to that. Everyone can see for themselves. Have a nice life.
Coming from a person who has never posted a single post that is not virulently pro-Japan, that is rich. At the minimum, I have considered the Japanese side and said that the demands Shady Sands made were not practical, though very far from being the equivalent of 'asking Japanese to commit mass suicide.'
But you - when have you made a balanced post on the subject?
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On September 25 2012 08:00 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 07:52 Azarkon wrote:On September 25 2012 06:33 m4inbrain wrote:On September 25 2012 06:30 yaliu07 wrote:On September 25 2012 06:24 Robinsa wrote:On September 25 2012 05:59 Azarkon wrote:On September 25 2012 05:33 m4inbrain wrote:On September 25 2012 05:26 Azarkon wrote:On September 25 2012 03:40 m4inbrain wrote:On September 25 2012 03:29 Taku wrote:
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Laugh in the face of 1.3 billion people at your own peril lol. He's not alone. And he's right. The proposals there are beyond stupid. Far beyond. If it is that what it takes to chill you people, i would tell you to fuck off as well. You said Japan has no way of redeeming itself in the eyes of the Chinese people. He gave you three steps that, however extreme, has a shot of doing it. You then replied by saying that this is 'a joke' and is 'ridiculous,' despite it being a direct and solid answer to your 'impossible task,' which in effect is an attempt to shift the blame to the Chinese side. In this, you are simply agreeing with what I concluded fifty pages ago - that Japan is not going to take the steps necessary to mend its image with its neighbors, and that therefore, time alone is going to have to do the trick. In that case, understand that people in China and Korea are going to resent Japan for the foreseeable future, and that events such as these protests, riots, etc. are going to continue. I didn't say its ridiculous or a joke, i said outright that it's stupid. And no, it's not possible. You can't do that, if you don't want your nation to disintegrate, therefore impossible. The fuck do you think would happen to japan if they "fire" their emperor just because some some foreign idiot wants to have that happen to feel satisfied? Are you really that shortsighted? Of course they could do that. You could also ask for every japanese to just suicide. Would be a possibility in your world, right? Oh, not to mention the fact that china just had a huge navy exercise at their border to japan including simulation of real combat and live ammunition is in no way an indicator for you that japan can't dismantle their navy, right? Man, if you don't have any argument, stop arguing. To say "well they could physically do it" does not mean that they actually can do it. I could jump without a parachute from a plane. Its possible, but seriously retarded. As are these "demands". I think it is very disingenuous to say that the steps he asked for is akin to 'telling every Japanese to commit suicide,' considering that eliminating the imperial seat and disarming Japan are both steps that the Allies were contemplating. The former was not implemented only because of MacArthur's geopolitical calculations, while the latter was implemented and only allowed to lapse because of Japan's strategic role in the US's Pacific Alliance. Neither of these steps are all that ridiculous for the treatment of a defeated aggressor in the postwar situation - for example, postwar Germany was basically subject to both of these conditions, and worse. It was the necessities of the Cold War that allowed both Germany and Japan to re-militarize - under Allied, though in effect primarily American - auspices. The Axis countries were prepared for both when they announced unconditional surrender, and the Allies were ready to deliver both till other concerns drove them in a different direction. Well I think you missed the point that the war ended 75 years ago and the people who participated in it are almost all dead. Forcing a country to disarm because their ancestors did something wrong is retarded. At least it will be obvious for the people who read thís thread to understand how much hate you harbor. I agree. I dont think Japan should not disarm their military. I do hope that you see that even Chinese hold a history grudge, but we also moved forward. We have a 40 years relationship with Japan. Nice to hear that there are reasonable voices out there, not just, uhm, "guys" like Azarkon and Letmelose. I fail to see how you argue for 'reason' when your posts exude biases the size of Mt. Fuji. I did not call for the fulfillment of 1, 2, and 3. However, you made the illogical assertion that nothing Japan does is enough to redeem itself in the eyes of the Chinese. This is obviously false. Just because Japan is unwilling to do what is required, and just because there are logical causes for believing that what is required is too great for Japan to practically concede, does not make your assertion valid. Japan do have options - however impractical in the eyes of the Japanese - to redeem itself. Oh, i seem to have misquoted, did i quote you? I already told you, i refuse to "discuss" with you further, because you can't actually do it properly, and your reading comprehension is lacking. I already know that you disagree with everything i say, because its not always pro-china or always contra-japan. Btw, your stupid semantic-game, please refuse to try to force that on me. You actually know pretty well what was meant, yet you try to twist it somehow. As i said, it would be even possible to nuke japan. Yet its impossible, even if its just a touch of a button. Maybe try to get realistic and stop taking whatever prevents you from being normal. Up until then, please stop talking to me, because your bias and hate-mongering is disgusting. Also, just btw, as a "closing statement", the only one "counting votes" here, is you. As soon as someone has another opinion than you, they're heavily biased. Of course, you're completely objective, am i right? Wait, no - don't answer to that. Everyone can see for themselves. Have a nice life.
I think you need to chill.
Also, look at yourself with the same standards that you judge others upon.
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Honestly, there's too much content in your posts that falls into the bottom 3 categories.
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On September 25 2012 08:07 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 08:00 m4inbrain wrote:On September 25 2012 07:52 Azarkon wrote:On September 25 2012 06:33 m4inbrain wrote:On September 25 2012 06:30 yaliu07 wrote:On September 25 2012 06:24 Robinsa wrote:On September 25 2012 05:59 Azarkon wrote:On September 25 2012 05:33 m4inbrain wrote:On September 25 2012 05:26 Azarkon wrote:On September 25 2012 03:40 m4inbrain wrote:
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He's not alone. And he's right. The proposals there are beyond stupid. Far beyond. If it is that what it takes to chill you people, i would tell you to fuck off as well.
You said Japan has no way of redeeming itself in the eyes of the Chinese people. He gave you three steps that, however extreme, has a shot of doing it. You then replied by saying that this is 'a joke' and is 'ridiculous,' despite it being a direct and solid answer to your 'impossible task,' which in effect is an attempt to shift the blame to the Chinese side. In this, you are simply agreeing with what I concluded fifty pages ago - that Japan is not going to take the steps necessary to mend its image with its neighbors, and that therefore, time alone is going to have to do the trick. In that case, understand that people in China and Korea are going to resent Japan for the foreseeable future, and that events such as these protests, riots, etc. are going to continue. I didn't say its ridiculous or a joke, i said outright that it's stupid. And no, it's not possible. You can't do that, if you don't want your nation to disintegrate, therefore impossible. The fuck do you think would happen to japan if they "fire" their emperor just because some some foreign idiot wants to have that happen to feel satisfied? Are you really that shortsighted? Of course they could do that. You could also ask for every japanese to just suicide. Would be a possibility in your world, right? Oh, not to mention the fact that china just had a huge navy exercise at their border to japan including simulation of real combat and live ammunition is in no way an indicator for you that japan can't dismantle their navy, right? Man, if you don't have any argument, stop arguing. To say "well they could physically do it" does not mean that they actually can do it. I could jump without a parachute from a plane. Its possible, but seriously retarded. As are these "demands". I think it is very disingenuous to say that the steps he asked for is akin to 'telling every Japanese to commit suicide,' considering that eliminating the imperial seat and disarming Japan are both steps that the Allies were contemplating. The former was not implemented only because of MacArthur's geopolitical calculations, while the latter was implemented and only allowed to lapse because of Japan's strategic role in the US's Pacific Alliance. Neither of these steps are all that ridiculous for the treatment of a defeated aggressor in the postwar situation - for example, postwar Germany was basically subject to both of these conditions, and worse. It was the necessities of the Cold War that allowed both Germany and Japan to re-militarize - under Allied, though in effect primarily American - auspices. The Axis countries were prepared for both when they announced unconditional surrender, and the Allies were ready to deliver both till other concerns drove them in a different direction. Well I think you missed the point that the war ended 75 years ago and the people who participated in it are almost all dead. Forcing a country to disarm because their ancestors did something wrong is retarded. At least it will be obvious for the people who read thís thread to understand how much hate you harbor. I agree. I dont think Japan should not disarm their military. I do hope that you see that even Chinese hold a history grudge, but we also moved forward. We have a 40 years relationship with Japan. Nice to hear that there are reasonable voices out there, not just, uhm, "guys" like Azarkon and Letmelose. I fail to see how you argue for 'reason' when your posts exude biases the size of Mt. Fuji. I did not call for the fulfillment of 1, 2, and 3. However, you made the illogical assertion that nothing Japan does is enough to redeem itself in the eyes of the Chinese. This is obviously false. Just because Japan is unwilling to do what is required, and just because there are logical causes for believing that what is required is too great for Japan to practically concede, does not make your assertion valid. Japan do have options - however impractical in the eyes of the Japanese - to redeem itself. Oh, i seem to have misquoted, did i quote you? I already told you, i refuse to "discuss" with you further, because you can't actually do it properly, and your reading comprehension is lacking. I already know that you disagree with everything i say, because its not always pro-china or always contra-japan. Btw, your stupid semantic-game, please refuse to try to force that on me. You actually know pretty well what was meant, yet you try to twist it somehow. As i said, it would be even possible to nuke japan. Yet its impossible, even if its just a touch of a button. Maybe try to get realistic and stop taking whatever prevents you from being normal. Up until then, please stop talking to me, because your bias and hate-mongering is disgusting. Also, just btw, as a "closing statement", the only one "counting votes" here, are you. As soon as someone has another opinion than you, they're heavily biased. Of course, you're completely objective, am i right? Wait, no - don't answer to that. Everyone can see for themselves. Have a nice life. Coming from a person who has never posted a single post that is not virulently pro-Japan, that is rich. At the minimum, I have considered the Japanese side and said that the demands Shady Sands made were not practical. You?
I could at least recite three times out of the top of my head, where i said that japan (even obviously) is not right, but meh, again, your reading comprehension fails you.
Im not saying that japan is right. Im saying you are wrong. Do you spot the tiny little difference?
And just because you have obviously forgotten..
He gave you three steps that, however extreme, has a shot of doing it. You then replied by saying that this is 'a joke' and is 'ridiculous,' despite it being a direct and solid answer to your 'impossible task,' which in effect is an attempt to shift the blame to the Chinese side.
Does "has a shot" mean "is not practical" for you? And yes, mass suicide would be exactly the same. You can demand it, its "possible", yet it won't ever happen. Because its not possible. The same with these retarded "demands" that were stated by Shady Sands. They're as impossible as a mass suicide-demand. Do you get it now, or do i need to paint a picture for you?
Oh, and if you don't mind.. Please explain to me, where opposing delusional demands makes me "attempting to shift blame to china". Which in itself does not make any sense btw.
Btw, i would like to see a balanced posting from you, if you don't mind.
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Also, look at yourself with the same standards that you judge others upon.
By which you mean?
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On September 25 2012 08:15 m4inbrain wrote:
By which you mean?
It means what you think it does. You do too much of the things that you complain that he does.
Therefore, this is not a productive discussion.
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On September 25 2012 08:19 RavenLoud wrote:It means what you think it does. You do too much of the things that you complain that he does. Therefore, this is not a productive discussion.
I actually don't have any clue what you mean, why else would i ask. I don't see me defending every pro-japan post, in fact, the only thing i did for the last 3-4 pages was opposing a demand for: firing the emperor, dismanteling of the complete japanese navy, and another thing which i just forgot. And that supposedly made me blame china for stuff.
Of course i defend myself if someone puts words in my mouth.
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On September 25 2012 08:22 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 08:19 RavenLoud wrote:On September 25 2012 08:15 m4inbrain wrote:
By which you mean? It means what you think it does. You do too much of the things that you complain that he does. Therefore, this is not a productive discussion. I actually don't have any clue what you mean, why else would i ask. I don't see me defending every pro-japan post, in fact, the only thing i did for the last 3-4 pages was opposing a demand for: firing the emperor, dismanteling of the complete japanese navy, and another thing which i just forgot. And that supposedly made me blame china for stuff. Of course i defend myself if someone puts words in my mouth.
Perhaps that he's doing the same thing?
A mature discussion involves listening to each other and isolating the contended points in mutual concessions rather than telling the other guy he's always wrong. I don't think I need to quote the amount of accusations you made against him.
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On September 25 2012 08:15 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 08:07 Azarkon wrote:On September 25 2012 08:00 m4inbrain wrote:On September 25 2012 07:52 Azarkon wrote:On September 25 2012 06:33 m4inbrain wrote:On September 25 2012 06:30 yaliu07 wrote:On September 25 2012 06:24 Robinsa wrote:On September 25 2012 05:59 Azarkon wrote:On September 25 2012 05:33 m4inbrain wrote:On September 25 2012 05:26 Azarkon wrote:
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You said Japan has no way of redeeming itself in the eyes of the Chinese people. He gave you three steps that, however extreme, has a shot of doing it. You then replied by saying that this is 'a joke' and is 'ridiculous,' despite it being a direct and solid answer to your 'impossible task,' which in effect is an attempt to shift the blame to the Chinese side.
In this, you are simply agreeing with what I concluded fifty pages ago - that Japan is not going to take the steps necessary to mend its image with its neighbors, and that therefore, time alone is going to have to do the trick. In that case, understand that people in China and Korea are going to resent Japan for the foreseeable future, and that events such as these protests, riots, etc. are going to continue. I didn't say its ridiculous or a joke, i said outright that it's stupid. And no, it's not possible. You can't do that, if you don't want your nation to disintegrate, therefore impossible. The fuck do you think would happen to japan if they "fire" their emperor just because some some foreign idiot wants to have that happen to feel satisfied? Are you really that shortsighted? Of course they could do that. You could also ask for every japanese to just suicide. Would be a possibility in your world, right? Oh, not to mention the fact that china just had a huge navy exercise at their border to japan including simulation of real combat and live ammunition is in no way an indicator for you that japan can't dismantle their navy, right? Man, if you don't have any argument, stop arguing. To say "well they could physically do it" does not mean that they actually can do it. I could jump without a parachute from a plane. Its possible, but seriously retarded. As are these "demands". I think it is very disingenuous to say that the steps he asked for is akin to 'telling every Japanese to commit suicide,' considering that eliminating the imperial seat and disarming Japan are both steps that the Allies were contemplating. The former was not implemented only because of MacArthur's geopolitical calculations, while the latter was implemented and only allowed to lapse because of Japan's strategic role in the US's Pacific Alliance. Neither of these steps are all that ridiculous for the treatment of a defeated aggressor in the postwar situation - for example, postwar Germany was basically subject to both of these conditions, and worse. It was the necessities of the Cold War that allowed both Germany and Japan to re-militarize - under Allied, though in effect primarily American - auspices. The Axis countries were prepared for both when they announced unconditional surrender, and the Allies were ready to deliver both till other concerns drove them in a different direction. Well I think you missed the point that the war ended 75 years ago and the people who participated in it are almost all dead. Forcing a country to disarm because their ancestors did something wrong is retarded. At least it will be obvious for the people who read thís thread to understand how much hate you harbor. I agree. I dont think Japan should not disarm their military. I do hope that you see that even Chinese hold a history grudge, but we also moved forward. We have a 40 years relationship with Japan. Nice to hear that there are reasonable voices out there, not just, uhm, "guys" like Azarkon and Letmelose. I fail to see how you argue for 'reason' when your posts exude biases the size of Mt. Fuji. I did not call for the fulfillment of 1, 2, and 3. However, you made the illogical assertion that nothing Japan does is enough to redeem itself in the eyes of the Chinese. This is obviously false. Just because Japan is unwilling to do what is required, and just because there are logical causes for believing that what is required is too great for Japan to practically concede, does not make your assertion valid. Japan do have options - however impractical in the eyes of the Japanese - to redeem itself. Oh, i seem to have misquoted, did i quote you? I already told you, i refuse to "discuss" with you further, because you can't actually do it properly, and your reading comprehension is lacking. I already know that you disagree with everything i say, because its not always pro-china or always contra-japan. Btw, your stupid semantic-game, please refuse to try to force that on me. You actually know pretty well what was meant, yet you try to twist it somehow. As i said, it would be even possible to nuke japan. Yet its impossible, even if its just a touch of a button. Maybe try to get realistic and stop taking whatever prevents you from being normal. Up until then, please stop talking to me, because your bias and hate-mongering is disgusting. Also, just btw, as a "closing statement", the only one "counting votes" here, are you. As soon as someone has another opinion than you, they're heavily biased. Of course, you're completely objective, am i right? Wait, no - don't answer to that. Everyone can see for themselves. Have a nice life. Coming from a person who has never posted a single post that is not virulently pro-Japan, that is rich. At the minimum, I have considered the Japanese side and said that the demands Shady Sands made were not practical. You? I could at least recite three times out of the top of my head, where i said that japan (even obviously) is not right, but meh, again, your reading comprehension fails you. Im not saying that japan is right. Im saying you are wrong. Do you spot the tiny little difference? And just because you have obviously forgotten.. Show nested quote +He gave you three steps that, however extreme, has a shot of doing it. You then replied by saying that this is 'a joke' and is 'ridiculous,' despite it being a direct and solid answer to your 'impossible task,' which in effect is an attempt to shift the blame to the Chinese side. Does "has a shot" mean "is not practical" for you? And yes, mass suicide would be exactly the same. You can demand it, its "possible", yet it won't ever happen. Because its not possible. The same with these retarded "demands" that were stated by Shady Sands. They're as impossible as a mass suicide-demand. Do you get it now, or do i need to paint a picture for you? Btw, i would like to see a balanced posting from you, if you don't mind. Edit By which you mean?
'Has a shot' of working is a reference to the Chinese side. I'm saying that, were the Japanese to implement the three steps he gave, convincing the Chinese to forgive them is doable. I am not saying that the Japanese themselves find it practical to implement the three steps, which is why I added 'however extreme' and later said explicitly that they were not practical for the Japanese.
Your engagement in the discussion has thus far been very one-sided. You first accused the Koreans of being 'dickheads' because they believe that the Class A war criminals need to be excluded from the Yasukuni Shrine. You then told Shady Sands to 'fuck off' because he thought that dissolving the Japanese emperorship and implementing a policy of permanent naval disarmament was enough to pacify Chinese resentment. Neither of these statements speak well about your neutrality in the issue.
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On September 25 2012 08:00 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 07:52 Azarkon wrote:On September 25 2012 06:33 m4inbrain wrote:On September 25 2012 06:30 yaliu07 wrote:On September 25 2012 06:24 Robinsa wrote:On September 25 2012 05:59 Azarkon wrote:On September 25 2012 05:33 m4inbrain wrote:On September 25 2012 05:26 Azarkon wrote:On September 25 2012 03:40 m4inbrain wrote:On September 25 2012 03:29 Taku wrote:
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Laugh in the face of 1.3 billion people at your own peril lol. He's not alone. And he's right. The proposals there are beyond stupid. Far beyond. If it is that what it takes to chill you people, i would tell you to fuck off as well. You said Japan has no way of redeeming itself in the eyes of the Chinese people. He gave you three steps that, however extreme, has a shot of doing it. You then replied by saying that this is 'a joke' and is 'ridiculous,' despite it being a direct and solid answer to your 'impossible task,' which in effect is an attempt to shift the blame to the Chinese side. In this, you are simply agreeing with what I concluded fifty pages ago - that Japan is not going to take the steps necessary to mend its image with its neighbors, and that therefore, time alone is going to have to do the trick. In that case, understand that people in China and Korea are going to resent Japan for the foreseeable future, and that events such as these protests, riots, etc. are going to continue. I didn't say its ridiculous or a joke, i said outright that it's stupid. And no, it's not possible. You can't do that, if you don't want your nation to disintegrate, therefore impossible. The fuck do you think would happen to japan if they "fire" their emperor just because some some foreign idiot wants to have that happen to feel satisfied? Are you really that shortsighted? Of course they could do that. You could also ask for every japanese to just suicide. Would be a possibility in your world, right? Oh, not to mention the fact that china just had a huge navy exercise at their border to japan including simulation of real combat and live ammunition is in no way an indicator for you that japan can't dismantle their navy, right? Man, if you don't have any argument, stop arguing. To say "well they could physically do it" does not mean that they actually can do it. I could jump without a parachute from a plane. Its possible, but seriously retarded. As are these "demands". I think it is very disingenuous to say that the steps he asked for is akin to 'telling every Japanese to commit suicide,' considering that eliminating the imperial seat and disarming Japan are both steps that the Allies were contemplating. The former was not implemented only because of MacArthur's geopolitical calculations, while the latter was implemented and only allowed to lapse because of Japan's strategic role in the US's Pacific Alliance. Neither of these steps are all that ridiculous for the treatment of a defeated aggressor in the postwar situation - for example, postwar Germany was basically subject to both of these conditions, and worse. It was the necessities of the Cold War that allowed both Germany and Japan to re-militarize - under Allied, though in effect primarily American - auspices. The Axis countries were prepared for both when they announced unconditional surrender, and the Allies were ready to deliver both till other concerns drove them in a different direction. Well I think you missed the point that the war ended 75 years ago and the people who participated in it are almost all dead. Forcing a country to disarm because their ancestors did something wrong is retarded. At least it will be obvious for the people who read thís thread to understand how much hate you harbor. I agree. I dont think Japan should not disarm their military. I do hope that you see that even Chinese hold a history grudge, but we also moved forward. We have a 40 years relationship with Japan. Nice to hear that there are reasonable voices out there, not just, uhm, "guys" like Azarkon and Letmelose. I fail to see how you argue for 'reason' when your posts exude biases the size of Mt. Fuji. I did not call for the fulfillment of 1, 2, and 3. However, you made the illogical assertion that nothing Japan does is enough to redeem itself in the eyes of the Chinese. This is obviously false. Just because Japan is unwilling to do what is required, and just because there are logical causes for believing that what is required is too great for Japan to practically concede, does not make your assertion valid. Japan do have options - however impractical in the eyes of the Japanese - to redeem itself. Oh, i seem to have misquoted, did i quote you? I already told you, i refuse to "discuss" with you further, because you can't actually do it properly, and your reading comprehension is lacking. I already know that you disagree with everything i say, because its not always pro-china or always contra-japan. Btw, your stupid semantic-game, please refuse to try to force that on me. You actually know pretty well what was meant, yet you try to twist it somehow. As i said, it would be even possible to nuke japan. Yet its impossible, even if its just a touch of a button. Maybe try to get realistic and stop taking whatever prevents you from being normal. Up until then, please stop talking to me, because your bias and hate-mongering is disgusting. Also, just btw, as a "closing statement", the only one "counting votes" here, is you. As soon as someone has another opinion than you, they're heavily biased. Of course, you're completely objective, am i right? Wait, no - don't answer to that. Everyone can see for themselves. Have a nice life.
This is coming from an ignorant tool who called out the korean poster by calling him a dickhead just because the nationalists demand japan to take out Class A war criminals from Yakushini shrine?
Who's the dickhead here? Here's a hint, it's definitely not Azarkon.
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On September 25 2012 08:26 RavenLoud wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 08:22 m4inbrain wrote:On September 25 2012 08:19 RavenLoud wrote:On September 25 2012 08:15 m4inbrain wrote:
By which you mean? It means what you think it does. You do too much of the things that you complain that he does. Therefore, this is not a productive discussion. I actually don't have any clue what you mean, why else would i ask. I don't see me defending every pro-japan post, in fact, the only thing i did for the last 3-4 pages was opposing a demand for: firing the emperor, dismanteling of the complete japanese navy, and another thing which i just forgot. And that supposedly made me blame china for stuff. Of course i defend myself if someone puts words in my mouth. Perhaps that he's doing the same thing? A mature discussion involves listening to each other and isolating the contended points in mutual concessions rather than telling the other guy he's always wrong. I don't think I need to quote the amount of accusations you made against him.
Maybe follow the discussion a bit more closely. He is not discussing. Why do you think i made that "thing" (not my primary language and its getting late) with his reading comprehension? I tried to argue with him on a normal level, yet he just doesn't answer anymore when confronted with questions he can't answer (or would make his argument look bad). Hence why i asked him to stop talking to me. Yet, every now and again he quotes someone out of the blue (like me responding to a chinese guy who said that japan actually needs and should have military) and makes weird accusations, like not just being biased towards japan, but blaming china because i think these "demands" are retarded.
I don't know if you can read my post-history, i might urge you (and Azarkon for that matter) to do so.
Little bits include: "Its pride. Nothing more. On japanese's side, as well as on every fucking other side.", " Im not saying that japan is right, they are not. But you're equally wrong.", and there are more. For some reason i cant go back to my first statements, but these two were within the last 10 pages, so if someone would follow the discussion, he could've seen that. Again. Attacking me (or even accusing me) because i dont share his opinion is stupid, there is nothing "nice" to say.
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For the record, m4inbrain has tried to remain objective, more so than the rest of us:
On September 17 2012 06:22 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 06:15 SayGen wrote:On September 17 2012 06:12 reincremate wrote:On September 16 2012 05:57 Nanikure wrote:
This nationalism shit is honestly getting on my fucking nerves. They flip your car over or something? Most people who don't like Nationism, are into this "citizens of the world" movement. They think all humans can be unified together under one set of rules, values, and law. They are sorely mistaken, but they mean well. Let me quote you again. Kinda twofaced, or did i miss something? I wont get into a discussion if the world is "largely american run", but i somehow get the feeling that you dont really try to get a chinese standpoint, but are incredibly biased. You are not discussing (or even knowing), you just derail the thread with almost every statement you make, instead of just answering questions and arguments pointed at you. Also, about the sugar daddy thing, its not like america does not benefit from these loans and trades. Its not like you do that out of the kindness of your heart.
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The initial "3 things Japan can do" was flawed as it is. Japan could do all 3 things, and riots would still happen. You have to understand that most of the people causing the destruction and making a mess of things don't even really care about this stuff. It's a rallying cry at most. The underlying problems come from ailing economies and large unrest within the population.
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On September 25 2012 08:35 TehPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 08:00 m4inbrain wrote:On September 25 2012 07:52 Azarkon wrote:On September 25 2012 06:33 m4inbrain wrote:On September 25 2012 06:30 yaliu07 wrote:On September 25 2012 06:24 Robinsa wrote:On September 25 2012 05:59 Azarkon wrote:On September 25 2012 05:33 m4inbrain wrote:On September 25 2012 05:26 Azarkon wrote:On September 25 2012 03:40 m4inbrain wrote:
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He's not alone. And he's right. The proposals there are beyond stupid. Far beyond. If it is that what it takes to chill you people, i would tell you to fuck off as well.
You said Japan has no way of redeeming itself in the eyes of the Chinese people. He gave you three steps that, however extreme, has a shot of doing it. You then replied by saying that this is 'a joke' and is 'ridiculous,' despite it being a direct and solid answer to your 'impossible task,' which in effect is an attempt to shift the blame to the Chinese side. In this, you are simply agreeing with what I concluded fifty pages ago - that Japan is not going to take the steps necessary to mend its image with its neighbors, and that therefore, time alone is going to have to do the trick. In that case, understand that people in China and Korea are going to resent Japan for the foreseeable future, and that events such as these protests, riots, etc. are going to continue. I didn't say its ridiculous or a joke, i said outright that it's stupid. And no, it's not possible. You can't do that, if you don't want your nation to disintegrate, therefore impossible. The fuck do you think would happen to japan if they "fire" their emperor just because some some foreign idiot wants to have that happen to feel satisfied? Are you really that shortsighted? Of course they could do that. You could also ask for every japanese to just suicide. Would be a possibility in your world, right? Oh, not to mention the fact that china just had a huge navy exercise at their border to japan including simulation of real combat and live ammunition is in no way an indicator for you that japan can't dismantle their navy, right? Man, if you don't have any argument, stop arguing. To say "well they could physically do it" does not mean that they actually can do it. I could jump without a parachute from a plane. Its possible, but seriously retarded. As are these "demands". I think it is very disingenuous to say that the steps he asked for is akin to 'telling every Japanese to commit suicide,' considering that eliminating the imperial seat and disarming Japan are both steps that the Allies were contemplating. The former was not implemented only because of MacArthur's geopolitical calculations, while the latter was implemented and only allowed to lapse because of Japan's strategic role in the US's Pacific Alliance. Neither of these steps are all that ridiculous for the treatment of a defeated aggressor in the postwar situation - for example, postwar Germany was basically subject to both of these conditions, and worse. It was the necessities of the Cold War that allowed both Germany and Japan to re-militarize - under Allied, though in effect primarily American - auspices. The Axis countries were prepared for both when they announced unconditional surrender, and the Allies were ready to deliver both till other concerns drove them in a different direction. Well I think you missed the point that the war ended 75 years ago and the people who participated in it are almost all dead. Forcing a country to disarm because their ancestors did something wrong is retarded. At least it will be obvious for the people who read thís thread to understand how much hate you harbor. I agree. I dont think Japan should not disarm their military. I do hope that you see that even Chinese hold a history grudge, but we also moved forward. We have a 40 years relationship with Japan. Nice to hear that there are reasonable voices out there, not just, uhm, "guys" like Azarkon and Letmelose. I fail to see how you argue for 'reason' when your posts exude biases the size of Mt. Fuji. I did not call for the fulfillment of 1, 2, and 3. However, you made the illogical assertion that nothing Japan does is enough to redeem itself in the eyes of the Chinese. This is obviously false. Just because Japan is unwilling to do what is required, and just because there are logical causes for believing that what is required is too great for Japan to practically concede, does not make your assertion valid. Japan do have options - however impractical in the eyes of the Japanese - to redeem itself. Oh, i seem to have misquoted, did i quote you? I already told you, i refuse to "discuss" with you further, because you can't actually do it properly, and your reading comprehension is lacking. I already know that you disagree with everything i say, because its not always pro-china or always contra-japan. Btw, your stupid semantic-game, please refuse to try to force that on me. You actually know pretty well what was meant, yet you try to twist it somehow. As i said, it would be even possible to nuke japan. Yet its impossible, even if its just a touch of a button. Maybe try to get realistic and stop taking whatever prevents you from being normal. Up until then, please stop talking to me, because your bias and hate-mongering is disgusting. Also, just btw, as a "closing statement", the only one "counting votes" here, is you. As soon as someone has another opinion than you, they're heavily biased. Of course, you're completely objective, am i right? Wait, no - don't answer to that. Everyone can see for themselves. Have a nice life. This is coming from an ignorant tool who called out the korean poster by calling him a dickhead just because the nationalists demand japan to take out Class A war criminals from Yakushini shrine? Who's the dickhead here? Here's a hint, it's definitely not Azarkon.
No, it actually could be you.
Heres what i said, mate.
To be brutally honest, i sincerly hope that "your kind" is not the majority of korea. Otherwise i might understand japans actions (edit: refusing to reach out to your obviously nonexisting hand) - you act like a dickhead.
And that was directed to a guy, who did not even in the slightest tried to comprehend that theres seemingly no possible way to exclude these "fuckers" (warcriminals). Also i called him an ignorant proletarian. Which he is. I did not call him dickhead, nor did i call the whole nationalistic korean population dickheads.
So stop being a dickhead, and actually quote stuff, instead of accusing me of things i did not say.
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Some of you Japanese should read the text of resolution 121, passed by the House of Representatives in the United States, on what it says about Japan:
Whereas some new textbooks used in Japanese schools seek to downplay the `comfort women' tragedy and other Japanese war crimes during World War II;
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c110:2:./temp/~c110vsL0i9::
Hint hint: The USA, your closest ally and friend, is telling you to stop whitewashing Japan's atrocities in WW2 in Japan's education system.
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From all these discussion from the last page that I just ignored, I learned at least one thing:
You guys type so fast 
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On September 25 2012 08:37 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2012 08:26 RavenLoud wrote:On September 25 2012 08:22 m4inbrain wrote:On September 25 2012 08:19 RavenLoud wrote:On September 25 2012 08:15 m4inbrain wrote:
By which you mean? It means what you think it does. You do too much of the things that you complain that he does. Therefore, this is not a productive discussion. I actually don't have any clue what you mean, why else would i ask. I don't see me defending every pro-japan post, in fact, the only thing i did for the last 3-4 pages was opposing a demand for: firing the emperor, dismanteling of the complete japanese navy, and another thing which i just forgot. And that supposedly made me blame china for stuff. Of course i defend myself if someone puts words in my mouth. Perhaps that he's doing the same thing? A mature discussion involves listening to each other and isolating the contended points in mutual concessions rather than telling the other guy he's always wrong. I don't think I need to quote the amount of accusations you made against him. Maybe follow the discussion a bit more closely. He is not discussing. Why do you think i made that "thing" (not my primary language and its getting late) with his reading comprehension? I tried to argue with him on a normal level, yet he just doesn't answer anymore when confronted with questions he can't answer (or would make his argument look bad). Hence why i asked him to stop talking to me. Yet, every now and again he quotes someone out of the blue (like me responding to a chinese guy who said that japan actually needs and should have military) and makes weird accusations, like not just being biased towards japan, but blaming china because i think these "demands" are retarded. I don't know if you can read my post-history, i might urge you (and Azarkon for that matter) to do so. Little bits include: "Its pride. Nothing more. On japanese's side, as well as on every fucking other side.", " Im not saying that japan is right, they are not. But you're equally wrong.", and there are more. For some reason i cant go back to my first statements, but these two were within the last 10 pages, so if someone would follow the discussion, he could've seen that. Again. Attacking me (or even accusing me) because i dont share his opinion is stupid, there is nothing "nice" to say.
'It's pride, nothing more ... On japanese's side, as well as on every fucking other side...' is an universalist throw away that has no concrete existence in your actual posts. It's the equivalent of saying 'humans gonna do what humans do' and then going off on a specific group of humans for what they're doing, which you did twice in this thread. Given that 'it's pride on every fucking side,' what's your incentive behind insulting Koreans and Chinese for their opinions, while protecting the Japanese? It's pride that's preventing the Japanese from removing war criminals in the Yasukuni Shrine. It's also pride that prevented them from blaming their own emperor, who was obviously complicit in WW 2. Why protect either of these institutions?
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Robjapan, despite our differences and your name callings and irrelevant posts, I am glad to see that there are Japanese that thinks people like Abe and war criminals are indeed dickheads.
However, this doesn't resolve any issue.
Orek, I will try to find a link or source in English for you if I find time to do so. As I have mentioned in my post earlier, The 'Comfort Women' a.k.a. Sex Slaves, consist of Koreans, Chinese, other SEA countries, and Dutch women that resided in Indonesia. Do look into Unit 731 and their Maruta project as well. I literally puked in disgust when I saw the leaked Maruta footage couple years ago...
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On September 25 2012 09:03 ExceeD_DreaM wrote:
Robjapan, despite our differences and your name callings and irrelevant posts, I am glad to see that there are Japanese that thinks people like Abe and war criminals are indeed dickheads.
However, this doesn't resolve any issue.
Orek, I will try to find a link or source in English for you if I find time to do so. As I have mentioned in my post earlier, The 'Comfort Women' a.k.a. Sex Slaves, consist of Koreans, Chinese, other SEA countries, and Dutch women that resided in Indonesia. Do look into Unit 731 and their Maruta project as well. I literally puked in disgust when I saw the leaked Maruta footage couple years ago...
Thanks.
As I have mentioned in my post earlier, The 'Comfort Women' a.k.a. Sex Slaves, consist of Koreans, Chinese, other SEA countries, and Dutch women that resided in Indonesia.
and Japanese who arguably made up 40% of comfort women.
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