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Several Orthodox Christian crosses have been chopped down in different parts of Russia. The incidents come after the Femen movement attacked a cross in Kiev to protest the sentence of the punk band Pussy Riot, who received two years in prison.
The incidents occurred overnight. Crosses have been taken down in the Chelyabinsk region, Urals and Archangelsk region, northern Russia. By the time police arrived at the scenes the vandals had already left. Authorities have launched an investigation into both cases.
Source: https://rt.com/news/cross-arkhangelsk-564/
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This really shows that the Pussy Riot "hooliganism" and their feminism movement was indeed a hate crime against religion
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The destruction of private property is wrong.
The imprisonment of individuals for expressing their opinions on the church and politics is even worse, but greater evils rarely forgive lesser evils.
I can't say that I would take part in this kind of protests, but they are somewhat inevitable outbursts when you deny people the proper channels to protest.
Regardless, I like that the punk-movement seems to be getting its teeth back. Giving a bigger finger to the man is always fun to see, especially in a country like Russia that needs a good dose of sense beaten into it.
Lanfire
This really shows that the Pussy Riot "hooliganism" and their feminism movement was indeed a hate crime against religion
No it doesn't.
Pussy Riot is in jail, so they cannot possibly have committed this act.
Or are you suggesting that the actions of others may be piled on them?
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is not even about religion but of thugs and other people who do not respect law
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On August 27 2012 00:04 zalz wrote:
I can't say that I would take part in this kind of protests, but they are somewhat inevitable outbursts when you deny people the proper channels to protest.
Exactly my thoughts.
People when oppressed will only scream louder to express themselves.
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Wow...their priorities are not straight. It is Putin, not Christianity that they should be after. Pussy Riot protested in a church, but it was not the Church that ruined the election.
And regardless of what you may think of religion in general, this will definitely rally Christians in Russia against atheists.
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On August 27 2012 00:12 Shiragaku wrote:
Wow...their priorities are not straight. It is Putin, not Christianity that they should be after. Pussy Riot protested in a church, but it was not the Church that ruined the election.
In Soviet Russia, Putin has more power than God.
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On August 27 2012 00:08 - special tactics - wrote:
is not even about religion but of thugs and other people who do not respect law
Well, it is clearly about religion.
Did you happen to notice they chopped down crosses? Generally thought of as religious icons.
People are angry about the Orthodox hands that were all over the very political trial of Pussy Riot. I won't say that this is a good form of protest, and if caught they should be prosecuted for destruction of private property (atleast I think the cross is private property) but I can somewhat understand their frustration.
If people don't have a legal outlet for their frustration, illegal one's will come up.
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On August 27 2012 00:12 Shiragaku wrote:
Wow...their priorities are not straight. It is Putin, not Christianity that they should be after. Pussy Riot protested in a church, but it was not the Church that ruined the election.
And regardless of what you may think of religion in general, this will definitely rally Christians in Russia against atheists.
The Orthodox church and Putin's government go hand in hand. The two can't be seperated as if they have no relationship when priests are driving down the streets of Moscow in multimillion dollar cars, killing people and getting off scott-free.
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On August 27 2012 00:12 Shiragaku wrote:
Wow...their priorities are not straight. It is Putin, not Christianity that they should be after. Pussy Riot protested in a church, but it was not the Church that ruined the election.
And regardless of what you may think of religion in general, this will definitely rally Christians in Russia against atheists.
Lmao. No one should be after nothing. It's up to individuals what they want to do with their priorities, you probably don't even realize most people in Russia would still vote for Putin lol.
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On August 27 2012 00:15 ecstatica wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 00:12 Shiragaku wrote:
Wow...their priorities are not straight. It is Putin, not Christianity that they should be after. Pussy Riot protested in a church, but it was not the Church that ruined the election.
And regardless of what you may think of religion in general, this will definitely rally Christians in Russia against atheists. Lmao. No one should be after nothing. It's up to individuals what they want to do with their priorities, you probably don't even realize most people in Russia would still vote for Putin lol.
He didn't say that people must think or behave in a certain fashion, just how he feels they should. You're leaping on semantics here, and that doesn't do the discussion a lot of good.
As for the fact that Putin could win a legit election, true, but that doesn't change the fact that the election wasn't rigged. This time it didn't matter that the election was rigged because the outcome was the same as a legit one.
What happens next time when people are bored of Putin? People are being denied their right to have a representative government.
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Yes, and they are flying around Russia on brooms, chopping down crosses with a cackle.
Honestly....
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On August 27 2012 00:15 zalz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 00:12 Shiragaku wrote:
Wow...their priorities are not straight. It is Putin, not Christianity that they should be after. Pussy Riot protested in a church, but it was not the Church that ruined the election.
And regardless of what you may think of religion in general, this will definitely rally Christians in Russia against atheists. The Orthodox church and Putin's government go hand in hand. The two can't be seperated as if they have no relationship when priests are driving down the streets of Moscow in multimillion dollar cars, killing people and getting off scott-free.
I trust your word, but can you give me a source? I tried Googling but what I am mostly getting is Fox News related stuff about PR
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On August 27 2012 00:15 zalz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 00:12 Shiragaku wrote:
Wow...their priorities are not straight. It is Putin, not Christianity that they should be after. Pussy Riot protested in a church, but it was not the Church that ruined the election.
And regardless of what you may think of religion in general, this will definitely rally Christians in Russia against atheists. The Orthodox church and Putin's government go hand in hand. The two can't be seperated as if they have no relationship when priests are driving down the streets of Moscow in multimillion dollar cars, killing people and getting off scott-free.
Sci-fi statement right here. Putin never gave a fuck about a specific religion, he only utilizes whatever he needs to gain more popularity. Muslims constitute up to 14% of population in Russia, many of them are successful. Orthodox priests driving away from an accident is a problem with corrupt local gvernment rather than Putin himself. I am willing to bet that particular priest will be punished.
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Fans of this band should be careful. They may just be strengthening the case of hooliganism against PR. Vandalizing churches is a sure fire way to not get public support.
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On August 27 2012 00:23 dUTtrOACh wrote:
Fans of this band should be careful. They may just be strengthening the case of hooliganism against PR. Vandalizing churches is a sure fire way to not get public support.
Agreed. Vandalizing Church property as a political protest will not be seen as a political protest, but rather a war against religion.
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On August 27 2012 00:19 Shiragaku wrote:
I trust your word, but can you give me a source? I tried Googling but what I am mostly getting is Fox News related stuff about PR
http://rt.com/news/priest-orthodox-crash-car-679/
The priest crashing a sports car.
As for the other, I'll see if I can find the reddit post that had a ton of examples, but they were mostly Russian news stories too trivial to be translated. Consider it retracted if I can't find it.
ecstatica
Sci-fi statement right here. Putin never gave a fuck about a specific religion, he only utilizes whatever he needs to gain more popularity. Muslims constitute up to 14% of population in Russia, many of them are successful. Orthodox priests driving away from an accident is a problem with corrupt local gvernment rather than Putin himself. I am willing to bet that particular priest will be punished.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/04/russia-church-idUSL6E8F40QX20120404
Putin has ties with the Orthodox church, this is no secret, let alone a statement of fiction.
I'm sure Russia has a lot of muslims, but I don't see how that keeps Putin from holding hands with the clergy, especially not when the facts clearly show that he is doing exactly that.
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The Orthodox church and Putin's government go hand in hand. The two can't be seperated as if they have no relationship when priests are driving down the streets of Moscow in multimillion dollar cars, killing people and getting off scott-free.
Yes, and russian priest are flying around Russia on BMW brooms, killing people with a cackle.
Honestly....
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On August 27 2012 00:25 Shiragaku wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 00:23 dUTtrOACh wrote:
Fans of this band should be careful. They may just be strengthening the case of hooliganism against PR. Vandalizing churches is a sure fire way to not get public support. Agreed. Vandalizing Church property as a political protest will not be seen as a political protest, but rather a war against religion.
Sure, it might be viewed as such, but what can these people do?
You are looking at this from a western perspective, wondering why they can't just go and have a legitimate protest, but the problem is that they are increasingly losing legit channels to express their discontent.
If I tape your mouth shut, should I really be surprised when you punch me to express discontent?
Yes, in a perfect world people have respect for private property, but in that same world these people have the right to protest for their views and be safe from government persecution.
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