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On August 27 2012 05:07 Warlock40 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 04:49 Cheerio wrote:On August 27 2012 00:13 RockIronrod wrote:On August 27 2012 00:12 Shiragaku wrote:
Wow...their priorities are not straight. It is Putin, not Christianity that they should be after. Pussy Riot protested in a church, but it was not the Church that ruined the election. In Soviet Russia, Putin has more power than God. even I have more power than "God" Regarding the original topic, vandalising crosses is not only exercising censorship but also constitutes hate crime.
I don't understand how the government can consider destruction of a Cross a hate crime, but consider stripping the equality from homosexuals to not be a hate crime. Granted, it's not a 'physical crime', but it's a crime against basic human rights.
The only reason homosexuals aren't allowed to marry is because the government, which apparently exists in a 'separation between church and state' believes that same-sex marriage is a debacle in the eyes of 'God'
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On August 27 2012 00:01 Lanfire wrote:
This really shows that the Pussy Riot "hooliganism" and their feminism movement was indeed a hate crime against religion
Religion is an instrument of state power in modern Russia. With that in mind I don't think it shows any such thing.
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On August 27 2012 05:36 Taesica wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 05:07 Warlock40 wrote:On August 27 2012 04:49 Cheerio wrote:On August 27 2012 00:13 RockIronrod wrote:On August 27 2012 00:12 Shiragaku wrote:
Wow...their priorities are not straight. It is Putin, not Christianity that they should be after. Pussy Riot protested in a church, but it was not the Church that ruined the election. In Soviet Russia, Putin has more power than God. even I have more power than "God" Regarding the original topic, vandalising crosses is not only exercising censorship but also constitutes hate crime. I don't understand how the government can consider destruction of a Cross a hate crime, but consider stripping the equality from homosexuals to not be a hate crime. Granted, it's not a 'physical crime', but it's a crime against basic human rights. The only reason homosexuals aren't allowed to marry is because the government, which apparently exists in a 'separation between church and state' believes that same-sex marriage is a debacle in the eyes of 'God'
we're talking about Russia here, right? it's hardly a "separation between church and state".
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On August 27 2012 00:16 Lanfire wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 00:04 zalz wrote:
Pussy Riot is in jail, so they cannot possibly have committed this act.
Or are you suggesting that the actions of others may be piled on them? Two members of the controversial band Pussy Riot who are wanted by the authorities over their notorious “Punk Prayer” stunt have managed to slip from Russia and are planning to recruit more feminists for their future performances.
looking for recruits for art performances, must have own axe.
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On August 27 2012 04:06 InRaged wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 03:27 Zato-1 wrote:On August 27 2012 00:12 Shiragaku wrote:
Wow...their priorities are not straight. It is Putin, not Christianity that they should be after. Pussy Riot protested in a church, but it was not the Church that ruined the election.
And regardless of what you may think of religion in general, this will definitely rally Christians in Russia against atheists. Except for the fact that the Orthodox Church in Russia is extremely cozy with the Putin regime, and validates it. If you're gonna oppose Putin and his government, you're sooner or later going to have to run into the Orthodox Church there. While the means are questionable, I definitely approve of the underlying intention of communicating people's dissatisfaction with the church there. BREAKING: Four Google offices are vandalised after stating support for gays. Comments from the news piece reads: "Except for the fact that the lgbt movement in US is extremely cozy with the Obama regime, and validates it. If you're gonna oppose Obama and his government, you're sooner or later going to have to run into the lgbt movement there While the means are questionable, I definitely approve of the underlying intention of communicating people's dissatisfaction with the gays there."
haha, nice try.
A few differences:
*The "Obama regime" isn't an autocratic government that locks up (or assassinates) everyone who speaks out against them.
*The LGBT communities are hardly a pillar of legitimacy for Obama's government in the US. If you wanted to stand up to Obama for... something, then conflicts with the LGBT communities aren't something you should be overly concerned with.
Your analogy is nothing more than dumb ridicule.
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On August 27 2012 05:37 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 00:01 Lanfire wrote:
This really shows that the Pussy Riot "hooliganism" and their feminism movement was indeed a hate crime against religion Religion is an instrument of state power in modern Russia. With that in mind I don't think it shows any such thing.
Actually I don't think it's wrong to hate such a thing.
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Noone got upset when the four trees were chopped down...
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On August 27 2012 04:49 Cheerio wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 00:13 RockIronrod wrote:On August 27 2012 00:12 Shiragaku wrote:
Wow...their priorities are not straight. It is Putin, not Christianity that they should be after. Pussy Riot protested in a church, but it was not the Church that ruined the election. In Soviet Russia, Putin has more power than God. even I have more power than "God"
Alright, how many people can you get to die in your name? Assuming god doesn't even do anything tangible, or even doesn't exist, he still has billions of followers who have more power than you. Arrogant much?
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Freedom of Speech/Religion/Opinion isn't as strong in Russia as the US.
Makes me glad to be an American where I don't have to deal with that type of hatred.
Sure US has it's own Anti Religion/FreeSpeach/Opinion groups- but never at the magnatude of what the OP was talking about.
Tolerance is all too often a 1 way street.
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And after the church acted with such forgiveness in accordance with Jesus' teachings with regards to Pussy Riot.
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On August 27 2012 08:30 Jockmcplop wrote:
And after the church acted with such forgiveness in accordance with Jesus' teachings with regards to Pussy Riot.
Violence hate will always trumph love and forgiveness.
A man holds a gun to your head and is about to pull the trigger.
You can try to love and forgive him all you want but at the end of the day your going to die.
The Bible talks just as much about disipline as it does love.
The Bible never taught alot of tolerance, that's modern religion.
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It is a shame that these crimes happen... I hope they find the people committing this crime.
On August 27 2012 00:01 Lanfire wrote:
This really shows that the Pussy Riot "hooliganism" and their feminism movement was indeed a hate crime against religion
Ehh.. not exactly. It more or less shows that there are people stupid enough to think that this is a proper way to protest.
On August 27 2012 04:45 Taesica wrote:
Religion shouldn't exist
The only religion that should exist is Buddhism because it is (one of) the only religion(s) where you actually work to promote happiness & prosperity. Religions like Christianity just try to create a model society by shunning away people they consider to be unfit for said model society. I don't understand how Christians don't realize by now that they are straying further and further every day from what 'God' supposedly would want. Religion just spreads hatred. It doesn't ultimately spread peace, happiness, or well-being. As someone who was born Christian, I gave up my religion after seeing the abomination that Christianity has become today. I don't understand how Christians spread god's word by ostracizing homosexuals, shitting on other religions, protecting priests from prosecution after molesting boys, and a bunch of other retarded shit.
Also, the shit Christians say...
I could write a book on it...
Sorry, but religion does exist. (It is going to exist forever btw...)
And your post reeks of bias.
I think your argument about the purpose of religions is flawed. I am sure that Buddhism has caused violence before (however, this doesn't mean it is a violent religion). I just googled it and found this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/buddhism/buddhistethics/war.shtml
Buddhism and violence
But Buddhism, like the other great faiths, has not always lived up to its principles - there are numerous examples of Buddhists engaging in violence and even war.
in the 14th century Buddhist fighters led the uprising that evicted the Mongols from China
in Japan, Buddhist monks trained Samurai warriors in meditation that made them better fighters
In following your line of reasoning, Buddhism should not exist either.
I also think your analysis of Christianity is a bit lacking as well in two different ways that I feel like pointing out. First, in my opinion the teachings of Jesus are quite pacifistic. Those teachings are what most of the Christian churches today follow (although some don't). Second, religion does not always spread hatred. There is a lot of good done by religion. I know that where I live religious people help at soup kitchens, donate money to clothe people during winter, build houses for the homeless, etc. Would you consider that always spreading hate? I just think your post is a bit hateful... towards Christians... (perhaps you should blame your Christian upbringing)
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On August 27 2012 08:24 SayGen wrote:
Freedom of Speech/Religion/Opinion isn't as strong in Russia as the US.
Makes me glad to be an American where I don't have to deal with that type of hatred.
Sure US has it's own Anti Religion/FreeSpeach/Opinion groups- but never at the magnatude of what the OP was talking about.
Tolerance is all too often a 1 way street.
Agreed.
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On August 27 2012 08:39 SayGen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 08:30 Jockmcplop wrote:
And after the church acted with such forgiveness in accordance with Jesus' teachings with regards to Pussy Riot. Violence hate will always trumph love and forgiveness. A man holds a gun to your head and is about to pull the trigger. You can try to love and forgive him all you want but at the end of the day your going to die. The Bible talks just as much about disipline as it does love. The Bible never taught alot of tolerance, that's modern religion. How is love not tolerant?
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looks like religion is being oppressed again!
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On August 27 2012 08:43 whatevername wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 08:39 SayGen wrote:On August 27 2012 08:30 Jockmcplop wrote:
And after the church acted with such forgiveness in accordance with Jesus' teachings with regards to Pussy Riot. Violence hate will always trumph love and forgiveness. A man holds a gun to your head and is about to pull the trigger. You can try to love and forgive him all you want but at the end of the day your going to die. The Bible talks just as much about disipline as it does love. The Bible never taught alot of tolerance, that's modern religion. How is love not tolerant?
Suppose that I love something (or someone  ) so much that it causes me to commit an act of intolerance...
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On August 27 2012 08:43 whatevername wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 08:39 SayGen wrote:On August 27 2012 08:30 Jockmcplop wrote:
And after the church acted with such forgiveness in accordance with Jesus' teachings with regards to Pussy Riot. Violence hate will always trumph love and forgiveness. A man holds a gun to your head and is about to pull the trigger. You can try to love and forgive him all you want but at the end of the day your going to die. The Bible talks just as much about disipline as it does love. The Bible never taught alot of tolerance, that's modern religion. How is love not tolerant?
It's limited to the people you're not supposed to hate (for being gay for instance).
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The real thing here that people don't seem to understand is that the original purpose of the separation of Church and State was not to protect the State, but to protect the Church.
Whenever spiritual authority ends up being combined with temporal authority, you end up corrupting the original visions of both...
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Kind of sad really. I was under the impression that a representative of the Orthodox church said that they forgave Pussy Riot. So why vent frustration against them for something the government did, conspiracy theories aside?
Personally I'd blame angsty teens as I would hope that any other group would be smart enough to realize that these actions go against their cause.
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@Taesica
The bible says Homosexuality is wrong:
Leviticus 18:22 Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6 –10, and 1 Timothy 1:8–11
That's why Christains are the way they are. It's in the book, and they follow that book to the letter (or so they should)
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The church didn't put PR in jail, gotta love camouflaged crime T_T
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