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imallinson
United Kingdom3482 Posts
On July 04 2012 17:19 r.Evo wrote: You should probably add that "likely but not definite" sounds like 90% when you think about daily language, not like the 99.9999% their 5 sigma implies. =P The likely but not definite is about what the particle they found is not if it is actually there which is the 5 sigma value. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
A general person would have already accepted this. Imagine, if you wanted to go to a casino and gamble all of your money. You might like a 5:1 that you win. Maybe you won't bet until it's 2:1 odds that you win. Particle physicists demand a 3.5 million : 1 before they bet. | ||
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bara
Germany150 Posts
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elmizzt
United States3309 Posts
On July 04 2012 17:23 OptimusYale wrote: I understand most of this.....like 'the' 'and' 'a' etc, however when they're strung together with all this gobbledygook It makes a mess in my brain. What I'm getting is they used some method to make the higgs, not sure IF it's higgs, but it seems similar This is what people who have never heard of SC hear when we talk about it in front of them :p | ||
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NucNac
Germany64 Posts
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imJealous
United States1382 Posts
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PepperoniPiZZa
Sierra Leone1660 Posts
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
On July 04 2012 17:23 kingjames01 wrote: The scientific community is very skeptical of new results so to be conservative, we usually don't accept a discovery until you're past the 5 sigma level. A general person would have already accepted this. Imagine, if you wanted to go to a casino and gamble all of your money. You might like a 5:1 that you win. Maybe you won't bet until it's 2:1 odds that you win. Particle physicists demand a 3.5 million : 1 before they bet. As long as you don't expect a 3.5mil : 1 payment for an hour of your time compared to an average person.. As a poker player I'm used to taking 51:49 bets, so you guys always confuse the hell out of me. =( | ||
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
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HomeWorld
Romania903 Posts
On July 04 2012 17:28 imJealous wrote: So does this mean we can make mass relays now? Nope, we must find out first what gravity is  | ||
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Uncultured
United States1340 Posts
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
I was doing a coop placement with a University in Canada. There was a group that was collaborating with the ATLAS detector and they were in danger of falling behind with a shipment. They came to my group to ask for a volunteer to string tungsten slugs before they were shipped away. I volunteered and maybe, just maybe, my contribution helped! =) | ||
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MLG_Wiggin
United States767 Posts
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Rannasha
Netherlands2398 Posts
On July 04 2012 17:32 Uncultured wrote: I just want to point out that they DO NOT know if this is the Higgs boson. They know it's a Boson, and that it shares some characteristics of the Higgs, like its high mass. All of this data they are showing is proving that the Boson exists. Not that it is in fact the Higgs boson. Well, the whole analysis was based on the theoretical expectations of how a Higgs would behave. All observed properties match the theoretical Higgs boson. While that's not sufficient to say with absolute certainty that it can't be something else, it's extremely likely that the new particle is the Higgs boson. | ||
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imallinson
United Kingdom3482 Posts
On July 04 2012 17:32 Adreme wrote: What I want to know is if they have been able to confirm that this Boson does what the Higgs is suppose to do or if they havnt gotten that far yet? It looks very Higgs like but they need more data to confirm it. | ||
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
On July 04 2012 17:32 Uncultured wrote: I just want to point out that they DO NOT know if this is the Higgs boson. They know it's a Boson, and that it shares some characteristics of the Higgs, like its high mass. All of this data they are showing is proving that the Boson exists. Not that it is in fact the Higgs boson. That's very true. However, it's in the mass range where the Higgs should be. There are no bosons predicted to be there other than the Higgs. Even if it turns out to not do anything that the Higgs should, it's still convenient to label it as the Higgs for now. | ||
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Ramong
Denmark1706 Posts
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
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