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Daray
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
6006 Posts
July 04 2012 08:13 GMT
#361
The stream stops for me quite a bit... i think Twitch should've sponsored them
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
July 04 2012 08:13 GMT
#362
On July 04 2012 17:10 RodrigoX wrote:
I'm sorry, but I mean I took physics in highschool, but I don't understand a thing theyre saying. Did they discover it or not lol?


Not quite... but they highly suspect its there... they have found the equivalent of a Higgs Boson silhouette... just needs a bit more data until they confirm its the real thing
kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
July 04 2012 08:13 GMT
#363
On July 04 2012 17:12 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 17:10 kingjames01 wrote:
On July 04 2012 17:03 r.Evo wrote:
On July 04 2012 17:01 kingjames01 wrote:
On July 04 2012 16:57 georgir wrote:
I don't get it. Gives other particles their mass? That doesn't even make sense, much like saying it gives other particles their energy or velocity. Why can this particle have its own mass but others can't? What gives the higgs boson its mass then? Is it turtles all the way down?


No, no. Think of it this way. You possess a characteristic called 'mass'. However, does that mean you'll be able to 'feel' other particles with 'mass'? How do you know that they are there? Even if you know they are there, what difference does your 'mass' make? The Higgs boson is the particle that tells your 'mass' what to do. It makes it so that objects with 'mass' are attracted to each other.



...and when you bang e.g. two photons against each other often enough you are able to read where 'mass' is written down on their charactersheet?

(I'm being serious here, this shit is hard for non-physics. =P)

Edit: Or rather, the entire book which is written down on them is smacked against the wall and you try to decypher what you know from what you don't know and the only part you didn't know is called 'mass' and that's how you find out what it is?


Well, imagine that there was a box that you can throw money into. If you throw in $10 dollars, then when you look inside, you'll find items that can only total $10.

The Higgs particle costs $12.5 +/- 0.6 billion dollars. So in order to find it you had to throw in at least $12.5 +/- 0.6 billion dollars. The problem is that you can't actually see the Higgs particle. After it's been made, it falls apart. However, you can see what's left over and add up what you find. The CMS was sensitive to 5 channels. If the Higgs boson wasn't there, they'd see one thing. If it was, they'd see something else.




Gotcha, thanks. <3


=) Anytime.
Who would sup with the mighty, must walk the path of daggers.
Samp
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada783 Posts
July 04 2012 08:13 GMT
#364
On July 04 2012 17:10 kingjames01 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 17:03 r.Evo wrote:
On July 04 2012 17:01 kingjames01 wrote:
On July 04 2012 16:57 georgir wrote:
I don't get it. Gives other particles their mass? That doesn't even make sense, much like saying it gives other particles their energy or velocity. Why can this particle have its own mass but others can't? What gives the higgs boson its mass then? Is it turtles all the way down?


No, no. Think of it this way. You possess a characteristic called 'mass'. However, does that mean you'll be able to 'feel' other particles with 'mass'? How do you know that they are there? Even if you know they are there, what difference does your 'mass' make? The Higgs boson is the particle that tells your 'mass' what to do. It makes it so that objects with 'mass' are attracted to each other.



...and when you bang e.g. two photons against each other often enough you are able to read where 'mass' is written down on their charactersheet?

(I'm being serious here, this shit is hard for non-physics. =P)

Edit: Or rather, the entire book which is written down on them is smacked against the wall and you try to decypher what you know from what you don't know and the only part you didn't know is called 'mass' and that's how you find out what it is?


Well, imagine that there was a box that you can throw money into. If you throw in $10 dollars, then when you look inside, you'll find items that can only total $10.

The Higgs particle costs $12.5 +/- 0.6 billion dollars. So in order to find it you had to throw in at least $12.5 +/- 0.6 billion dollars. The problem is that you can't actually see the Higgs particle. After it's been made, it falls apart. However, you can see what's left over and add up what you find. The CMS was sensitive to 5 channels. If the Higgs boson wasn't there, they'd see one thing. If it was, they'd see something else.



oh, that makes sense to me. awesome =)
Banelings, "They're cute, they live in a nest". -Artosis
Sandtrout
Profile Joined July 2011
243 Posts
July 04 2012 08:14 GMT
#365
Why is listening to a presentation that I only understand partly so much more interesting than actually studying for my physics exams? QQ
SpiffD
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1264 Posts
July 04 2012 08:14 GMT
#366
On July 04 2012 17:13 Daray wrote:
The stream stops for me quite a bit... i think Twitch should've sponsored them


I had a similar problem with the primary stream. Here's an alternate stream

http://webcast.web.cern.ch/webcast/play_higgs_alternative.html
Vir prudens non contra ventum mingit
alderamin
Profile Joined June 2012
80 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-04 08:21:24
July 04 2012 08:17 GMT
#367
I am not a frequent twitter user but it's kinda funny to see how people now only rave about Comic Sans. Fabiola Gianotti is famous for always using Comic Sans and odd colour boxes.
It's Italian feminine style.
EatThePath
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3943 Posts
July 04 2012 08:17 GMT
#368
okay not overblown at all. and kingjames doing nice job explaining. ^^

cheers everyone
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graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
July 04 2012 08:17 GMT
#369
On July 04 2012 17:14 Sandtrout wrote:
Why is listening to a presentation that I only understand partly so much more interesting than actually studying for my physics exams? QQ


Because it gives you an excuse to not learn. Same here with my math exam...
"Oink oink, bitches" - Tasteless on Pigbaby winning a map against Flash
imallinson
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3482 Posts
July 04 2012 08:17 GMT
#370
On July 04 2012 17:10 NeoLearner wrote:
Whoa, nice job on the 5 sigma. I''m going to jump on this physics-bandwagon and claim Higgs-boson confirmed

So now we have confirmed the model, I have 2 questions:
1) Anyone have an idea what's next? A collider the size of the planet to confirm even more elimentary particles?
2) When can I expect my gravity gun?


Discovered is accurate as 5 sigma is the normal threshold used for "you definitely found something" but it isn't definitely the Higgs. They found a boson that acts like the Higgs and is at near the predicted mass for the Higgs. So it's likely but not definite.

1) Confirming this data and improving on the result. The LHC should be able to find other particles besides the Higgs.

2) Nobody knows when episode 3 will be released.
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kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
July 04 2012 08:18 GMT
#371
Finally!
Results, there's the bump!!
Who would sup with the mighty, must walk the path of daggers.
alderamin
Profile Joined June 2012
80 Posts
July 04 2012 08:19 GMT
#372
Whatever it does, it will be called Higgs anyway. It was predicted that there was a Boson in this mass range and now it was basically found if this data is correct.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
July 04 2012 08:19 GMT
#373
On July 04 2012 17:17 imallinson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 17:10 NeoLearner wrote:
Whoa, nice job on the 5 sigma. I''m going to jump on this physics-bandwagon and claim Higgs-boson confirmed

So now we have confirmed the model, I have 2 questions:
1) Anyone have an idea what's next? A collider the size of the planet to confirm even more elimentary particles?
2) When can I expect my gravity gun?


Discovered is accurate as 5 sigma is the normal threshold used for "you definitely found something" but it isn't definitely the Higgs. They found a boson that acts like the Higgs and is at near the predicted mass for the Higgs. So it's likely but not definite.

1) Confirming this data and improving on the result. The LHC should be able to find other particles besides the Higgs.

2) Nobody knows when episode 3 will be released.


You should probably add that "likely but not definite" sounds like 90% when you think about daily language, not like the 99.9999% their 5 sigma implies. =P
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
HomeWorld
Profile Joined December 2011
Romania903 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-04 08:20:30
July 04 2012 08:20 GMT
#374
On July 04 2012 17:17 alderamin wrote:
I am not a frequent twitter user but it's kinda funny to see how people now only rave about Comic Sans. Fabiola Gianotti is famous for always using Comic Sans and odd colour boxes.
It's Italian femine style.


That's because she's part of a well known organization by scientific community named "Comics sans frontieres"
Rannasha
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands2398 Posts
July 04 2012 08:20 GMT
#375
Press release from CERN is already a bit ahead of the presentation and claims a 5 sigma discovery:
http://press.web.cern.ch/press/pressreleases/Releases2012/PR17.12E.html
Such flammable little insects!
wurm
Profile Joined October 2007
Philippines2296 Posts
July 04 2012 08:20 GMT
#376
Similar results with CMS. :D
I know where my towel is.
imallinson
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3482 Posts
July 04 2012 08:20 GMT
#377
http://press.web.cern.ch/press/PressReleases/Releases2012/PR17.12E.html

ATLAS found similar results as CMS: 5 sigma at ~ 126 GeV.
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kingjames01
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada1603 Posts
July 04 2012 08:20 GMT
#378
Again, remember, these two experiments are independent. Their experimental methods are completely different.

If only one of them found a result, then it would be amazing. The fact that they both find it pretty much cements the discovery.

At 5 sigma, it means that they have a 1 in 3.5 million chance to be wrong.
Who would sup with the mighty, must walk the path of daggers.
RodrigoX
Profile Joined November 2009
United States645 Posts
July 04 2012 08:22 GMT
#379
On July 04 2012 17:13 meeple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 17:10 RodrigoX wrote:
I'm sorry, but I mean I took physics in highschool, but I don't understand a thing theyre saying. Did they discover it or not lol?


Not quite... but they highly suspect its there... they have found the equivalent of a Higgs Boson silhouette... just needs a bit more data until they confirm its the real thing


So I guess from what I saw in the higgs boson explained video, that there is a bump in the data for them to say hey holy crap, we might have something, and only need a little more to say have a statistical "yes" to it?

I mean, this might be over everyones head, how do they say predict what a higgs boson has? Like charge etc. Like, the the quanity that each particle is slowed down in say the field that higgs presented?
We were all raised on televion that made us believe we'd all be Millionairs, Movie gods, and Rockstars..... But we won't.... We are slowly learning that fact. And we are very, very pissed off.
OptimusYale
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)1005 Posts
July 04 2012 08:23 GMT
#380
I understand most of this.....like 'the' 'and' 'a' etc, however when they're strung together with all this gobbledygook It makes a mess in my brain.

What I'm getting is they used some method to make the higgs, not sure IF it's higgs, but it seems similar
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