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archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
July 05 2012 14:48 GMT
#661
How does the Higgs field/participles relate to gravitational fields like between large scale astronomical objects such as moons, planets, suns and galaxies?
I'm Quotable (IQ)
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
July 05 2012 15:02 GMT
#662
On July 05 2012 23:23 georgir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 17:01 kingjames01 wrote:
On July 04 2012 16:57 georgir wrote:
I don't get it. Gives other particles their mass? That doesn't even make sense, much like saying it gives other particles their energy or velocity. Why can this particle have its own mass but others can't? What gives the higgs boson its mass then? Is it turtles all the way down?


No, no. Think of it this way. You possess a characteristic called 'mass'. However, does that mean you'll be able to 'feel' other particles with 'mass'? How do you know that they are there? Even if you know they are there, what difference does your 'mass' make? The Higgs boson is the particle that tells your 'mass' what to do. It makes it so that objects with 'mass' are attracted to each other.


Um, sorry but I'm not with you. Do you mean like the virtual particles that supposedly mediate other forces? Those do not exist...
Besides, there is no way you'll convince anyone that a particle 130 times heavier than a hydrogen atom, but which you can not easily detect, is responsible for making random easily detectable hydrogen atoms attract each other. Does not compute...
Also I am quite certain that in a system which does not have enough energy for the formation of a higgs there still is gravity, and mass still does its thing just fine. How does that work then?

Damn, physics has gone nuts these days...


It's not easily detected because it decays almost instantaneously.

The Higgs Boson does not GIVE matter mass. The Higgs mechanism/field is what defines the mass of matter. When Higgs submitted his paper on the Higgs field/mechanism, it includes a supermassive particle that has never been found before.

That particle is the Higgs Boson.
Yargh
Rannasha
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands2398 Posts
July 05 2012 15:15 GMT
#663
On July 05 2012 23:48 archonOOid wrote:
How does the Higgs field/participles relate to gravitational fields like between large scale astronomical objects such as moons, planets, suns and galaxies?


It doesn't. Gravity is something completely different from the quantum world of particle physics. Which is why people are having so much trouble combining the two in one theory.
Such flammable little insects!
Rednaxela_19
Profile Joined December 2010
United States150 Posts
July 05 2012 16:24 GMT
#664
Dude this is so exciting, it doesn't even make sense
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17718 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-05 18:09:11
July 05 2012 18:05 GMT
#665
News on the event, with some basic Q&A:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/eureka-cern-announces-discovery-of-higgs-boson-god-particle-7907677.html

Also, notice how the Wikipedia page has been updated:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson#Experimental_search

Q. Did everyone think it would happen?

A. Not everyone. In 2000, Professor Stephen Hawking, below, bet the University of Michigan's Gordon Kane $100 that the Higgs would never be found. Yesterday he admitted he would have to pay up.

Hahaha.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
July 07 2012 12:41 GMT
#666
I found a nice blog post that explains why the Higgs was incorporated into the Standard Model of particle physics in the first place:

http://www.quantumdiaries.org/2011/10/10/who-ate-the-higgs/

The discovery is boring in a way, because it just confirms that the model that was used since quite some time works just like expected.

Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
July 07 2012 12:46 GMT
#667
On July 05 2012 13:26 Cascade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 13:11 mierin wrote:
On July 05 2012 12:53 Cascade wrote:
While we are posting educational youtubes...
I guess many of you have already seen this one, but anyway:



ROFL, was this video done by bored grad students? That's my favorite thing I've seen in this thread, excellent.

You can't imagine how little there is to do in the CERN area when you are not working....

Hiking. Oh and Eating ^_^

Geneva is damn expensive though
gullberg
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Sweden1301 Posts
July 07 2012 13:20 GMT
#668
On July 06 2012 03:05 Manit0u wrote:
News on the event, with some basic Q&A:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/eureka-cern-announces-discovery-of-higgs-boson-god-particle-7907677.html

Also, notice how the Wikipedia page has been updated:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson#Experimental_search

Q. Did everyone think it would happen?

A. Not everyone. In 2000, Professor Stephen Hawking, below, bet the University of Michigan's Gordon Kane $100 that the Higgs would never be found. Yesterday he admitted he would have to pay up.

Hahaha.

Antimatterz
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1010 Posts
July 17 2012 19:23 GMT
#669
On July 07 2012 22:20 gullberg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2012 03:05 Manit0u wrote:
News on the event, with some basic Q&A:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/eureka-cern-announces-discovery-of-higgs-boson-god-particle-7907677.html

Also, notice how the Wikipedia page has been updated:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson#Experimental_search

Q. Did everyone think it would happen?

A. Not everyone. In 2000, Professor Stephen Hawking, below, bet the University of Michigan's Gordon Kane $100 that the Higgs would never be found. Yesterday he admitted he would have to pay up.

Hahaha.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmzwuYj5w1U


Wow never thought I would see Steven Hawking smile before, that was funny
"HotBid [11:45 AM]: i dunno i kinda like the big muta shooting smaller mutas out"
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
July 17 2012 19:25 GMT
#670
On July 07 2012 21:41 Maenander wrote:
I found a nice blog post that explains why the Higgs was incorporated into the Standard Model of particle physics in the first place:

http://www.quantumdiaries.org/2011/10/10/who-ate-the-higgs/

The discovery is boring in a way, because it just confirms that the model that was used since quite some time works just like expected.



Boring is a very good thing. It means that we can finally move another thing from the massive list of things we dont know onto the list of things we do.
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10665 Posts
July 17 2012 19:26 GMT
#671
Times like this I wish I was smart enough to know what this means.
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