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On July 04 2012 12:11 kingjames01 wrote:
It does a few things.
First off, it is the product of collaboration between thousands of scientists from 40+ countries for over a generation. That in itself, is an amazing achievement for the human experience.
Next, by working out the energy at which it has been found, it puts strong limits on many different physical models. This will give researchers and theorists constraints under which to work with for 'Physics Beyond the Standard Model'.
Finally, it was the only particle that had not been detected predicted by the Standard Model. The Standard Model is among the most robust Theories that Physics has produced and the Higgs particle is what we use to explain why matter has mass. Not being able to find it means, that our picture of the universe was not complete.
Remember, the Standard Model is about 50 years old. The Higgs Particle was proposed about 48 years ago.
This shows to the world that although we will never know Absolute Truth, we can make reasonable guesses. These guesses are not merely just 'theories' as some people want to believe. Based upon our Theories, we are able to make verifiable predictions, even if it takes 50 years to do so.
Is the standard model really complete? Don't we still have the proposed graviton to look for? (although through a different fashion)
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so...no intergalactic war?
nuts
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On July 04 2012 12:08 mikell wrote:
this is more important than the discovery of the electron. this is the discovery of a particle that causes particles to have MASS
Well even more important is the particle that causes the higgs particle to cause other particles to have mass!
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On July 04 2012 12:08 Antisocialmunky wrote:
I'm in awe of the gravity of this announcement.
Me too. This announcement will carry so much mass.
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Friggin announcements of announcements
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On July 04 2012 12:13 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 12:08 Antisocialmunky wrote:
I'm in awe of the gravity of this announcement. Me too. This announcement will carry so much mass.
I just hope the product applications can carry the weight of this discovery.
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On July 04 2012 12:08 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 12:04 FragKrag wrote:On July 04 2012 11:55 keyStorm wrote:
but does it change the physics we know of?
the exact opposite, it would confirm the physics we know of. (unfortunately imo..) Heh, it's kind of funny that getting a negative answer to the existence of the Higgs is many more times interesting than a positive answer.
I guess it's sort of like Dark Energy in a way (at least until this announcement): we "know" it exists because something has to be doing its job. It's just a matter or being able to confirm it in some tangible way. Likewise we know something is propelling the Universe so we give it a name, Dark Energy. We've never seen it, can't say how it works or what it is, but something has to be doing the job.
It's amazing how consistently we're able to scientifically postulate things, and then decades later, find the missing piece we previously just assumed existed.
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On July 04 2012 12:08 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 12:04 FragKrag wrote:On July 04 2012 11:55 keyStorm wrote:
but does it change the physics we know of?
the exact opposite, it would confirm the physics we know of. (unfortunately imo..) Heh, it's kind of funny that getting a negative answer to the existence of the Higgs is many more times interesting than a positive answer.
It doesn't just confirm the physics we already know but also opens the door to discovering the physics we don't, such as how and why the universe started and what existed before it. If we hadn't found it then it would have caused chaos as the standard model would basically be completely wrong and we'd have wasted nearly a century on a wild goose chase.
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Wow... this is gonna be pretty heavy stuff.
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On July 04 2012 12:12 FragKrag wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 12:11 kingjames01 wrote:
It does a few things.
First off, it is the product of collaboration between thousands of scientists from 40+ countries for over a generation. That in itself, is an amazing achievement for the human experience.
Next, by working out the energy at which it has been found, it puts strong limits on many different physical models. This will give researchers and theorists constraints under which to work with for 'Physics Beyond the Standard Model'.
Finally, it was the only particle that had not been detected predicted by the Standard Model. The Standard Model is among the most robust Theories that Physics has produced and the Higgs particle is what we use to explain why matter has mass. Not being able to find it means, that our picture of the universe was not complete.
Remember, the Standard Model is about 50 years old. The Higgs Particle was proposed about 48 years ago.
This shows to the world that although we will never know Absolute Truth, we can make reasonable guesses. These guesses are not merely just 'theories' as some people want to believe. Based upon our Theories, we are able to make verifiable predictions, even if it takes 50 years to do so.
Is the standard model really complete? Don't we still have the proposed graviton to look for? (although through a different fashion)
This is true. Gravitons have not been detected yet but as the mediating particle for gravity it's existence is almost taken for granted. There are still many groups all around the world working on this problem.
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On July 04 2012 12:17 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 12:13 HaruRH wrote:On July 04 2012 12:08 Antisocialmunky wrote:
I'm in awe of the gravity of this announcement. Me too. This announcement will carry so much mass. I just hope the product applications can carry the weight of this discovery.
On July 04 2012 12:20 ShadeR wrote:
Wow... this is gonna be pretty heavy stuff.
I'm just going to unify this line of thinking.
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On July 04 2012 12:14 caradoc wrote:
Friggin announcements of announcements
These scientists must have learned from incontrol himself! :D I'm quite excited for this though.
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On July 04 2012 11:52 GDbushido wrote:
"hey guys, we accidentally opened a portal to another dimension. you've all played half-life right? yeah, its kinda like that. sorry."
This just made my day. Time to go find my crowbar and trusty .44 Magnum.
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This is the first completed step to creating a reset switch for the universe.
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Does this means Peter Higgs will recieve the Nobel Prize next year?
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On July 04 2012 11:53 zobz wrote:
Announcement: we've created a black hole and the Earth has thirty minutes to live. You heard it here first.
why would you post something that is so blatantly stupid. if the hadron collider created a sustainable black hole, it would be milliseconds to live...
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We are about to witness a truly momentous occasion in he history of humanity. I half confidence that it will be a very energetic announcement, and that it will come squarely, at great speed. I only wish that they might massively accelerate their official announcement, so as to force the world to acknowledge the importance of continued scientific research.
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Whos got the live stream?
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On July 04 2012 11:59 keyStorm wrote:
someone care to explain to me why this is so important?
-in details- please :D
It's a very big step in confirming scientific theories about how the universe works and functions. Knowing we're going in the right direction is a big deal, as it will allow physicists to continue onwards without worrying about wasting their time, as well as helping us make more accurate predictions and models. Plus, it will help to shut down a number of ideas that are floating around that are alternative ideas, which is useful because the proponents of them can stop wasting their time once we can prove they are incorrect.
In the future, it may eventually (a few hundred if not thousand years) be the underlying principle in the development of the Gravity Age.
Science fiction speculation ahead, read only if you like fun.
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Ever play Mass Effect? Knowing what precisely is the cause of mass is the first step in theoretically manipulating and controlling mass. Imagine, for example, if we were able to remove the higgs boson interaction with a set of particles: those particles might then have a mass of 0. Having a mass of 0 is the requirement for light speed travel, as it no longer requires infinite energy to reach light speed. There are all sorts of other implications that might eventually develop. This is speculation and all of this might not be possible, but it is, theoretically at least, plausible.
In the short term, this isn't a big deal, other than to those who want to know how and why matter has mass. In the long run, it will help scientists to develop their hypotheses and theories in the correct direction, and in the very long run, could be the start of all sorts of awesome technology.
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On July 04 2012 12:21 Antisocialmunky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 12:17 Steveling wrote:On July 04 2012 12:13 HaruRH wrote:On July 04 2012 12:08 Antisocialmunky wrote:
I'm in awe of the gravity of this announcement. Me too. This announcement will carry so much mass. I just hope the product applications can carry the weight of this discovery. Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 12:20 ShadeR wrote:
Wow... this is gonna be pretty heavy stuff. I'm just going to unify this line of thinking.
This discovery is quite smashing.
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