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On September 14 2012 07:09 kmillz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 06:58 Chocolate wrote:On September 14 2012 06:52 kmillz wrote:
I don't like Mitt Romney very much, but I will vote for anyone that can unseat Obama..he is ruining this country. Care to elaborate on that? Absolutely: He believes he has the right to take from the rich and give to the poor. He is increasing the burden on our children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren with his absurd spending. Unprecedented budget deficits into the foreseeable future. He is expanding our federal government at an unprecedented pace. He proposes $1.6 trillion in new taxes on families and businesses during the coming decade. No reform for entitlements like Social Security or Medicare. He is turning our country into a socialist nation that is looking more and more European every day. Signed into legislation an act which made the Patriot Act even scarier, allowing the military to detain and hold anyone, U.S. citizen or not, indefinitely without charge OR trial if they are suspected in any activity that could be terrorist related.
Taking from the rich and giving to the poor is an inherent part of any non-libertarian tax scheme. When a road is built, the rich man pays more than the poor man because one makes more money and pays taxes on it, but both can use it. The argument in and of itself is stupid, although I guess you mean things like welfare? The fact is that you can work a full-time job and still not have enough money for food and a place to stay (especially with kids), which is obviously a sign of an unhealthy society. To counter this, we could either provide what they don't have via welfare or raise the minimum wage, or indirectly change this through education. Yes this can be abused, and I think we should look into ways to stop its abuse, but having millions of angry poor people who can't eat on the streets might not be a very good thing for the country...
Yeah, you have to increase taxes or cut spending to get rid of the debt, that's kind of how a budget works. I would like to cut defense spending and raise taxes on the very wealthy as well as close loopholes that allow the wealthy to evade taxes, and maybe lay off the welfare, medicaid, and medicare (because the half-socialist healthcare system is not something I appreciate). You act like socialism is a bad thing: news flash, but it's not always. The Swedish and Danish systems appear to be working pretty well at the moment.
I agree with you on the Patriot Act, but I think Romney would do the same thing given the chance.
Oh yeah Bluebird, completely agree with everything you said.
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On September 14 2012 07:09 kmillz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 06:58 Chocolate wrote:On September 14 2012 06:52 kmillz wrote:
I don't like Mitt Romney very much, but I will vote for anyone that can unseat Obama..he is ruining this country. Care to elaborate on that? Absolutely: He believes he has the right to take from the rich and give to the poor. He is increasing the burden on our children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren with his absurd spending. Unprecedented budget deficits into the foreseeable future. He is expanding our federal government at an unprecedented pace. He proposes $1.6 trillion in new taxes on families and businesses during the coming decade. No reform for entitlements like Social Security or Medicare. He is turning our country into a socialist nation that is looking more and more European every day. Signed into legislation an act which made the Patriot Act even scarier, allowing the military to detain and hold anyone, U.S. citizen or not, indefinitely without charge OR trial if they are suspected in any activity that could be terrorist related.
Increasing the burden on our children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren? I think he's making the world a better place for them. Sure the debt has increased, but I believe Obama is in the process of reducing the debt.
1.6 Trillion of taxes on higher income families/businesses? Sounds fine too me, we are at an extremely extremely low tax rate right now. It makes sense for the lower/middle class which is struggling right now, but it does not make sense for people making more than 250,000 dollars a year I'm sorry. Bring on the taxes, I don't think we need ridiculous high tax rates either, but our tax rates are low.
"Entitlements" like social security and medicare need reform, I agree. He did reform medicare however by removing wasted money in it that was only going to providers. We need more security for future generations of workers in The United States. We need to be able to retire after working for 50 years, comfortably. No matter what job we did. We need to know that our sick will be taken care of.
I disagree that our country is looking more socialist or more like Europe, Obama is not a socialist, he is a moderate. I also disagree that that is a negative thing. You realize people are generally more happy and more comfortable in those nations. How is America the best country in the world, Fuck Yeah America! When we don't have the #1 Quality of Life, and we don't have the best percentage of people above the poverty line. Also other countries take care of their people in poverty, you know, cause they are human beings that aren't "lazy and chose to be there".
I agree that allowing people to detain anyone without reason is freaking scary, I don't support it whatsoever. I don't think Mitt Romney would change it though, so good luck there.
Also, I hate to bring it up, cause it was five pages back, but I was asleep. People, please stop throwing vegan around as if all vegans are people you should hate. Also not all vegans agree with Peta, I freaking hate Peta because they give us all a bad name. Yes I do believe the world would be a better place if we all stopped eating animals, since they are living beings, if that makes me a "crazy extremist vegan" or whatever someone said, then so be it.
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On September 14 2012 07:27 aksfjh wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 07:21 Roe wrote:On September 14 2012 07:19 bonifaceviii wrote:On September 14 2012 07:17 Roe wrote:On September 14 2012 06:58 Souma wrote:On September 14 2012 06:55 s3rp wrote:On September 14 2012 06:52 kmillz wrote:
I don't like Mitt Romney very much, but I will vote for anyone that can unseat Obama..he is ruining this country. Money in politics ruins the US . Also the two party system is not very helpful but oh well. But you def. should somehow stop coorporations and people buying your politicians. There's only a handful of politics are aren't bought ( some are bought more some less ) from what i gather. This. I desperately hope Obama will go through with trying to pass an amendment to override Citizens United if he gets re-elected. We might be more likely to have judges strike it down (not sure how it works in the US if judges can do that to any law), we've seen a judge strike down the NDAA part about indefinite detentions. Uh, the current supreme court was the one that made the Citizens United ruling. That's why I said, I'm not sure how it works in the US. Can judges not strike down something the supreme court enacted? The Supreme Court doesn't "enact" anything. It rules whether laws are constitutional or not. It is the highest court, and is therefor the highest ruling on the matter. The only thing that can realistically be counted on to overwrite a Supreme Court decision is an amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
Also a future Supreme Court decision can override a previous one.
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On September 14 2012 05:56 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 05:48 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 14 2012 04:01 Gorsameth wrote:On September 14 2012 03:58 naastyOne wrote:On September 14 2012 03:25 Sevenofnines wrote:
Romney's best chance is still to try and make the case that his success as a business man can somehow translate into successful policy for the nation's economy while at the same time managing the debt. Unfortunately, he hasn't offered any specifics on either of these issues in a time when most of the country is probably wondering what this guy can do to help them. Basically this. It strikes as absolutely vierd. He is either very smart and has a good plan, that would be revealed shortly before the election, to minimise Obama`s ability to rebute, or very stupid and doesn`t have a plan he can actually show to public. Option 3. Romney is a puppet so they can make him do whatever they want, mostly reduce coorperate taxes and remove even more financial oversight. He doesnt have a plan because he isnt interested in planning anything other then fixing life for his coorperate buddies. Nah, Obama's the one that wants to make life nice for his corporate buddies. That's why he hasn't shown much of a plan yet. See here is the difference between this. Obama has been running for 4 years. He has a clear path behind him of what he wants to do. Romney doesnt. Back to you.
And during those 4 years Obama helped out his corporate buddies and special voting groups.
Back to you...
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On September 14 2012 07:33 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 05:56 Gorsameth wrote:On September 14 2012 05:48 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 14 2012 04:01 Gorsameth wrote:On September 14 2012 03:58 naastyOne wrote:On September 14 2012 03:25 Sevenofnines wrote:
Romney's best chance is still to try and make the case that his success as a business man can somehow translate into successful policy for the nation's economy while at the same time managing the debt. Unfortunately, he hasn't offered any specifics on either of these issues in a time when most of the country is probably wondering what this guy can do to help them. Basically this. It strikes as absolutely vierd. He is either very smart and has a good plan, that would be revealed shortly before the election, to minimise Obama`s ability to rebute, or very stupid and doesn`t have a plan he can actually show to public. Option 3. Romney is a puppet so they can make him do whatever they want, mostly reduce coorperate taxes and remove even more financial oversight. He doesnt have a plan because he isnt interested in planning anything other then fixing life for his coorperate buddies. Nah, Obama's the one that wants to make life nice for his corporate buddies. That's why he hasn't shown much of a plan yet. See here is the difference between this. Obama has been running for 4 years. He has a clear path behind him of what he wants to do. Romney doesnt. Back to you. And during those 4 years Obama helped out his corporate buddies and special voting groups. Back to you...
And someone with way way way more coorperate donors is going to do any better ?
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On September 14 2012 07:23 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 06:57 0mar wrote:On September 14 2012 06:21 Defacer wrote:
You know who I feel sorry for? Paul Ryan.
Yeah, he had wacky ideas. But at least he had ideas. He was fresh-faced, hard-working, full-of-potential, and with a few more years under his belt, would have been seasoned enough to lead the Republican Party and take on the national stage.
Boy, did he hitch himself to the wrong wagon. His career will forever be stained by Romney's shitty, shitty candidacy.
Paul Ryan is a hack. His vaunted budget doesn't balance the budget any faster than Obama's and assumes some crazy conditions for that to happen. What he does is destroy Medicare, balloon the defense budget and cut taxes on top earners while raising taxes on the middle class. His budget is about as regressive as you can make it. The Robber Barons from the early 20th century couldn't have come up with a more self-serving budget if they tried. Of course Paul Ryan's budget is crap. But here's the thing -- Very few people in congress actually have the courage to draft any plans out of fear of partisan attacks. I think Michael Steele brought it up on the Daily Show -- Ryan put forward a plan for discussion, even though he knew it would be ripped to shreds. That's why nothing happens in congress. That's why the government just rehashes the same ideas, tow the line and is so uncreative. Politicians are so afraid of the optics of criticism that they're afraid to even say ideas out loud. That kind of environment is toxic. I don't like Ryan's budget at all. Period. I definitely wouldn't want him running the country. But if I where running a company, I'd rather have guys willing to put their ideas and themselves out there a bunch of sycophants waiting for someone else to tell them what to do or think.
I think it's better to compare Congress to a bunch of managers at a company. They all have ideas to make things better, and they voice them frequently, but it's usually in the context of, "How to make things slightly different and better." They tweak programs and keep the government running. There are constantly small scale projects and studies going to guide practices into the "right" course, and they happen over time.
Ryan is like that new guy you just hired out of college. Full of spunk and ideas, but many of the big ideas don't actually make the company better. They move things around and just make things harder for people, looking for magical gains because X, Y, and Z are just "better" for people.
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On September 14 2012 07:31 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 07:27 aksfjh wrote:On September 14 2012 07:21 Roe wrote:On September 14 2012 07:19 bonifaceviii wrote:On September 14 2012 07:17 Roe wrote:On September 14 2012 06:58 Souma wrote:On September 14 2012 06:55 s3rp wrote:On September 14 2012 06:52 kmillz wrote:
I don't like Mitt Romney very much, but I will vote for anyone that can unseat Obama..he is ruining this country. Money in politics ruins the US . Also the two party system is not very helpful but oh well. But you def. should somehow stop coorporations and people buying your politicians. There's only a handful of politics are aren't bought ( some are bought more some less ) from what i gather. This. I desperately hope Obama will go through with trying to pass an amendment to override Citizens United if he gets re-elected. We might be more likely to have judges strike it down (not sure how it works in the US if judges can do that to any law), we've seen a judge strike down the NDAA part about indefinite detentions. Uh, the current supreme court was the one that made the Citizens United ruling. That's why I said, I'm not sure how it works in the US. Can judges not strike down something the supreme court enacted? The Supreme Court doesn't "enact" anything. It rules whether laws are constitutional or not. It is the highest court, and is therefor the highest ruling on the matter. The only thing that can realistically be counted on to overwrite a Supreme Court decision is an amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Also a future Supreme Court decision can override a previous one.
Ah, but if history proves a decent guide, you can't RELY on the Supreme Court to do anything. =P
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On September 14 2012 07:36 aksfjh wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 07:23 Defacer wrote:On September 14 2012 06:57 0mar wrote:On September 14 2012 06:21 Defacer wrote:
You know who I feel sorry for? Paul Ryan.
Yeah, he had wacky ideas. But at least he had ideas. He was fresh-faced, hard-working, full-of-potential, and with a few more years under his belt, would have been seasoned enough to lead the Republican Party and take on the national stage.
Boy, did he hitch himself to the wrong wagon. His career will forever be stained by Romney's shitty, shitty candidacy.
Paul Ryan is a hack. His vaunted budget doesn't balance the budget any faster than Obama's and assumes some crazy conditions for that to happen. What he does is destroy Medicare, balloon the defense budget and cut taxes on top earners while raising taxes on the middle class. His budget is about as regressive as you can make it. The Robber Barons from the early 20th century couldn't have come up with a more self-serving budget if they tried. Of course Paul Ryan's budget is crap. But here's the thing -- Very few people in congress actually have the courage to draft any plans out of fear of partisan attacks. I think Michael Steele brought it up on the Daily Show -- Ryan put forward a plan for discussion, even though he knew it would be ripped to shreds. That's why nothing happens in congress. That's why the government just rehashes the same ideas, tow the line and is so uncreative. Politicians are so afraid of the optics of criticism that they're afraid to even say ideas out loud. That kind of environment is toxic. I don't like Ryan's budget at all. Period. I definitely wouldn't want him running the country. But if I where running a company, I'd rather have guys willing to put their ideas and themselves out there a bunch of sycophants waiting for someone else to tell them what to do or think. I think it's better to compare Congress to a bunch of managers at a company. They all have ideas to make things better, and they voice them frequently, but it's usually in the context of, "How to make things slightly different and better." They tweak programs and keep the government running. There are constantly small scale projects and studies going to guide practices into the "right" course, and they happen over time. Ryan is like that new guy you just hired out of college. Full of spunk and ideas, but many of the big ideas don't actually make the company better. They move things around and just make things harder for people, looking for magical gains because X, Y, and Z are just "better" for people.
Have you ever worked for a company with too many managers and not enough do-ers?
IT'S A FUCKING NIGHTMARE. :0
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On September 14 2012 07:33 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 05:56 Gorsameth wrote:On September 14 2012 05:48 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 14 2012 04:01 Gorsameth wrote:On September 14 2012 03:58 naastyOne wrote:On September 14 2012 03:25 Sevenofnines wrote:
Romney's best chance is still to try and make the case that his success as a business man can somehow translate into successful policy for the nation's economy while at the same time managing the debt. Unfortunately, he hasn't offered any specifics on either of these issues in a time when most of the country is probably wondering what this guy can do to help them. Basically this. It strikes as absolutely vierd. He is either very smart and has a good plan, that would be revealed shortly before the election, to minimise Obama`s ability to rebute, or very stupid and doesn`t have a plan he can actually show to public. Option 3. Romney is a puppet so they can make him do whatever they want, mostly reduce coorperate taxes and remove even more financial oversight. He doesnt have a plan because he isnt interested in planning anything other then fixing life for his coorperate buddies. Nah, Obama's the one that wants to make life nice for his corporate buddies. That's why he hasn't shown much of a plan yet. See here is the difference between this. Obama has been running for 4 years. He has a clear path behind him of what he wants to do. Romney doesnt. Back to you. And during those 4 years Obama helped out his corporate buddies and special voting groups. Back to you...
Reformed student loans, passed Obamacare, passed Dodd-Frank. Plus he wants to raise taxes. Would Romney have done any of that? Absolutely not. He wants to cater to corporations way more than Obama does.
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On September 14 2012 07:35 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 07:33 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 14 2012 05:56 Gorsameth wrote:On September 14 2012 05:48 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 14 2012 04:01 Gorsameth wrote:On September 14 2012 03:58 naastyOne wrote:On September 14 2012 03:25 Sevenofnines wrote:
Romney's best chance is still to try and make the case that his success as a business man can somehow translate into successful policy for the nation's economy while at the same time managing the debt. Unfortunately, he hasn't offered any specifics on either of these issues in a time when most of the country is probably wondering what this guy can do to help them. Basically this. It strikes as absolutely vierd. He is either very smart and has a good plan, that would be revealed shortly before the election, to minimise Obama`s ability to rebute, or very stupid and doesn`t have a plan he can actually show to public. Option 3. Romney is a puppet so they can make him do whatever they want, mostly reduce coorperate taxes and remove even more financial oversight. He doesnt have a plan because he isnt interested in planning anything other then fixing life for his coorperate buddies. Nah, Obama's the one that wants to make life nice for his corporate buddies. That's why he hasn't shown much of a plan yet. See here is the difference between this. Obama has been running for 4 years. He has a clear path behind him of what he wants to do. Romney doesnt. Back to you. And during those 4 years Obama helped out his corporate buddies and special voting groups. Back to you... And someone with way way way more coorperate donors is going to do any better ?
So you were against Obama in '08 for the same reason?
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On September 14 2012 07:11 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 07:00 kmillz wrote:
“To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.” — Thomas Jefferson, letter to Joseph Milligan, April 6, 1816
And why exactly did you post this without any kind of explanation you want to tell us with it? I also want to mention something written ~200 years ago has to be taken with a grain of salt regarding current politics . Its almost as stupid as talking the bible/quran literally . 200 years ago was very different .
I got warned for this post but it was about Obama's policies. It is completely bullshit for the government to redistribute the wealth.
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On September 14 2012 07:43 Souma wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 07:33 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 14 2012 05:56 Gorsameth wrote:On September 14 2012 05:48 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 14 2012 04:01 Gorsameth wrote:On September 14 2012 03:58 naastyOne wrote:On September 14 2012 03:25 Sevenofnines wrote:
Romney's best chance is still to try and make the case that his success as a business man can somehow translate into successful policy for the nation's economy while at the same time managing the debt. Unfortunately, he hasn't offered any specifics on either of these issues in a time when most of the country is probably wondering what this guy can do to help them. Basically this. It strikes as absolutely vierd. He is either very smart and has a good plan, that would be revealed shortly before the election, to minimise Obama`s ability to rebute, or very stupid and doesn`t have a plan he can actually show to public. Option 3. Romney is a puppet so they can make him do whatever they want, mostly reduce coorperate taxes and remove even more financial oversight. He doesnt have a plan because he isnt interested in planning anything other then fixing life for his coorperate buddies. Nah, Obama's the one that wants to make life nice for his corporate buddies. That's why he hasn't shown much of a plan yet. See here is the difference between this. Obama has been running for 4 years. He has a clear path behind him of what he wants to do. Romney doesnt. Back to you. And during those 4 years Obama helped out his corporate buddies and special voting groups. Back to you... Reformed student loans, passed Obamacare, passed Dodd-Frank. Plus he wants to raise taxes. Would Romney have done any of that? Absolutely not. He wants to cater to corporations way more than Obama does.
Big established corporations love Obamacare and Dodd-Frank. Keeps them rolling in profits. Little guy competition doesn't stand a chance.
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On September 14 2012 07:44 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 07:35 s3rp wrote:On September 14 2012 07:33 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 14 2012 05:56 Gorsameth wrote:On September 14 2012 05:48 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 14 2012 04:01 Gorsameth wrote:On September 14 2012 03:58 naastyOne wrote:On September 14 2012 03:25 Sevenofnines wrote:
Romney's best chance is still to try and make the case that his success as a business man can somehow translate into successful policy for the nation's economy while at the same time managing the debt. Unfortunately, he hasn't offered any specifics on either of these issues in a time when most of the country is probably wondering what this guy can do to help them. Basically this. It strikes as absolutely vierd. He is either very smart and has a good plan, that would be revealed shortly before the election, to minimise Obama`s ability to rebute, or very stupid and doesn`t have a plan he can actually show to public. Option 3. Romney is a puppet so they can make him do whatever they want, mostly reduce coorperate taxes and remove even more financial oversight. He doesnt have a plan because he isnt interested in planning anything other then fixing life for his coorperate buddies. Nah, Obama's the one that wants to make life nice for his corporate buddies. That's why he hasn't shown much of a plan yet. See here is the difference between this. Obama has been running for 4 years. He has a clear path behind him of what he wants to do. Romney doesnt. Back to you. And during those 4 years Obama helped out his corporate buddies and special voting groups. Back to you... And someone with way way way more coorperate donors is going to do any better ? So you were against Obama in '08 for the same reason?
No because McCain wasn't any better. As a matter of fact only very few people are. ( and have no chance because they're lacking money .... ) Almost the whole political system is corrupt no matter what party. Some more then other but still . Romney is just about the worst of the bunch in my opinion.
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On September 14 2012 07:46 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 07:43 Souma wrote:On September 14 2012 07:33 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 14 2012 05:56 Gorsameth wrote:On September 14 2012 05:48 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 14 2012 04:01 Gorsameth wrote:On September 14 2012 03:58 naastyOne wrote:On September 14 2012 03:25 Sevenofnines wrote:
Romney's best chance is still to try and make the case that his success as a business man can somehow translate into successful policy for the nation's economy while at the same time managing the debt. Unfortunately, he hasn't offered any specifics on either of these issues in a time when most of the country is probably wondering what this guy can do to help them. Basically this. It strikes as absolutely vierd. He is either very smart and has a good plan, that would be revealed shortly before the election, to minimise Obama`s ability to rebute, or very stupid and doesn`t have a plan he can actually show to public. Option 3. Romney is a puppet so they can make him do whatever they want, mostly reduce coorperate taxes and remove even more financial oversight. He doesnt have a plan because he isnt interested in planning anything other then fixing life for his coorperate buddies. Nah, Obama's the one that wants to make life nice for his corporate buddies. That's why he hasn't shown much of a plan yet. See here is the difference between this. Obama has been running for 4 years. He has a clear path behind him of what he wants to do. Romney doesnt. Back to you. And during those 4 years Obama helped out his corporate buddies and special voting groups. Back to you... Reformed student loans, passed Obamacare, passed Dodd-Frank. Plus he wants to raise taxes. Would Romney have done any of that? Absolutely not. He wants to cater to corporations way more than Obama does. Big established corporations love Obamacare and Dodd-Frank. Keeps them rolling in profits. Little guy competition doesn't stand a chance.
Considering it's the only thing we could pass with Republicans being asinine every step of the way, I'll take it. Obama has been cutting taxes for small businesses as well, btw. Here's hoping Obama makes things better when he gets re-elected. 
Unfortunately regulation has a much more fundamental problem than current laws. We do not have enough funding for regulators, the right people, nor do regulators actually go out and enforce the current laws (corruption yay). Plus regulation is complex and needs to be simplified and there needs to be more incentive for whistle-blowers. This problem won't be solved any time soon, but it's better than having some guy coming in and demolishing everything we've worked for up until now *cough*Clinton Romney*cough*.
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On September 14 2012 07:46 kmillz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 07:11 s3rp wrote:On September 14 2012 07:00 kmillz wrote:
“To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.” — Thomas Jefferson, letter to Joseph Milligan, April 6, 1816
And why exactly did you post this without any kind of explanation you want to tell us with it? I also want to mention something written ~200 years ago has to be taken with a grain of salt regarding current politics . Its almost as stupid as talking the bible/quran literally . 200 years ago was very different . I got warned for this post but it was about Obama's policies. It is completely bullshit for the government to redistribute the wealth.
Don't kid yourself wealth already get reditributed plenty enough in the US. It just all goes upwards to the political donors that buy politicians that change the laws in favor of their donors. If at least part of it gets redistributed back where it was taken from it ain't so bad.
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On September 14 2012 07:46 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 07:43 Souma wrote:On September 14 2012 07:33 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 14 2012 05:56 Gorsameth wrote:On September 14 2012 05:48 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 14 2012 04:01 Gorsameth wrote:On September 14 2012 03:58 naastyOne wrote:On September 14 2012 03:25 Sevenofnines wrote:
Romney's best chance is still to try and make the case that his success as a business man can somehow translate into successful policy for the nation's economy while at the same time managing the debt. Unfortunately, he hasn't offered any specifics on either of these issues in a time when most of the country is probably wondering what this guy can do to help them. Basically this. It strikes as absolutely vierd. He is either very smart and has a good plan, that would be revealed shortly before the election, to minimise Obama`s ability to rebute, or very stupid and doesn`t have a plan he can actually show to public. Option 3. Romney is a puppet so they can make him do whatever they want, mostly reduce coorperate taxes and remove even more financial oversight. He doesnt have a plan because he isnt interested in planning anything other then fixing life for his coorperate buddies. Nah, Obama's the one that wants to make life nice for his corporate buddies. That's why he hasn't shown much of a plan yet. See here is the difference between this. Obama has been running for 4 years. He has a clear path behind him of what he wants to do. Romney doesnt. Back to you. And during those 4 years Obama helped out his corporate buddies and special voting groups. Back to you... Reformed student loans, passed Obamacare, passed Dodd-Frank. Plus he wants to raise taxes. Would Romney have done any of that? Absolutely not. He wants to cater to corporations way more than Obama does. Big established corporations love Obamacare and Dodd-Frank. Keeps them rolling in profits. Little guy competition doesn't stand a chance.
Tell me how the little guy had a chance to wiggle into the health insurance business or major financial business before those were passed.
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On September 14 2012 07:57 aksfjh wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 07:46 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 14 2012 07:43 Souma wrote:On September 14 2012 07:33 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 14 2012 05:56 Gorsameth wrote:On September 14 2012 05:48 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 14 2012 04:01 Gorsameth wrote:On September 14 2012 03:58 naastyOne wrote:On September 14 2012 03:25 Sevenofnines wrote:
Romney's best chance is still to try and make the case that his success as a business man can somehow translate into successful policy for the nation's economy while at the same time managing the debt. Unfortunately, he hasn't offered any specifics on either of these issues in a time when most of the country is probably wondering what this guy can do to help them. Basically this. It strikes as absolutely vierd. He is either very smart and has a good plan, that would be revealed shortly before the election, to minimise Obama`s ability to rebute, or very stupid and doesn`t have a plan he can actually show to public. Option 3. Romney is a puppet so they can make him do whatever they want, mostly reduce coorperate taxes and remove even more financial oversight. He doesnt have a plan because he isnt interested in planning anything other then fixing life for his coorperate buddies. Nah, Obama's the one that wants to make life nice for his corporate buddies. That's why he hasn't shown much of a plan yet. See here is the difference between this. Obama has been running for 4 years. He has a clear path behind him of what he wants to do. Romney doesnt. Back to you. And during those 4 years Obama helped out his corporate buddies and special voting groups. Back to you... Reformed student loans, passed Obamacare, passed Dodd-Frank. Plus he wants to raise taxes. Would Romney have done any of that? Absolutely not. He wants to cater to corporations way more than Obama does. Big established corporations love Obamacare and Dodd-Frank. Keeps them rolling in profits. Little guy competition doesn't stand a chance. Tell me how the little guy had a chance to wiggle into the health insurance business or major financial business before those were passed.
There's plenty of small insurance companies and banks in the US.
According to IBIS there are 927 Health insurance co.'s and 1,065 S&L's. They aren't all huge mega corps.
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On September 14 2012 08:15 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 07:57 aksfjh wrote:On September 14 2012 07:46 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 14 2012 07:43 Souma wrote:On September 14 2012 07:33 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 14 2012 05:56 Gorsameth wrote:On September 14 2012 05:48 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On September 14 2012 04:01 Gorsameth wrote:On September 14 2012 03:58 naastyOne wrote:On September 14 2012 03:25 Sevenofnines wrote:
Romney's best chance is still to try and make the case that his success as a business man can somehow translate into successful policy for the nation's economy while at the same time managing the debt. Unfortunately, he hasn't offered any specifics on either of these issues in a time when most of the country is probably wondering what this guy can do to help them. Basically this. It strikes as absolutely vierd. He is either very smart and has a good plan, that would be revealed shortly before the election, to minimise Obama`s ability to rebute, or very stupid and doesn`t have a plan he can actually show to public. Option 3. Romney is a puppet so they can make him do whatever they want, mostly reduce coorperate taxes and remove even more financial oversight. He doesnt have a plan because he isnt interested in planning anything other then fixing life for his coorperate buddies. Nah, Obama's the one that wants to make life nice for his corporate buddies. That's why he hasn't shown much of a plan yet. See here is the difference between this. Obama has been running for 4 years. He has a clear path behind him of what he wants to do. Romney doesnt. Back to you. And during those 4 years Obama helped out his corporate buddies and special voting groups. Back to you... Reformed student loans, passed Obamacare, passed Dodd-Frank. Plus he wants to raise taxes. Would Romney have done any of that? Absolutely not. He wants to cater to corporations way more than Obama does. Big established corporations love Obamacare and Dodd-Frank. Keeps them rolling in profits. Little guy competition doesn't stand a chance. Tell me how the little guy had a chance to wiggle into the health insurance business or major financial business before those were passed. There's plenty of small insurance companies and banks in the US. According to IBIS there are 927 Health insurance co.'s and 1,065 S&L's. They aren't all huge mega corps.
Does anyone have citations/numbers which show how Obamacare and/or Dodd-Frank have actually affected the little guy?
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Dodd-Frank is a TERRIBLE piece of legislation.
It doesn't even touch what needs to be done (the separation of commercial and investment banks)
Instead it just penalizes trading operations and actually gives more power to large investment banks.
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On September 14 2012 08:29 Voltaire wrote:
Dodd-Frank is a TERRIBLE piece of legislation.
It doesn't even touch what needs to be done (the separation of commercial and investment banks)
Instead it just penalizes trading operations and actually gives more power to large investment banks.
You really think anyone could actually pass something to actually change anything as long as the banks/coorperations are allowed to basically buy politicians ? Too many corrupt politicians on both sides.
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