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Hey guys! We'll be closing this thread shortly, but we will make an American politics megathread where we can continue the discussions in here.

The new thread can be found here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=383301
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21864 Posts
September 13 2012 19:01 GMT
#10001
On September 14 2012 03:58 naastyOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 03:25 Sevenofnines wrote:
Romney's best chance is still to try and make the case that his success as a business man can somehow translate into successful policy for the nation's economy while at the same time managing the debt. Unfortunately, he hasn't offered any specifics on either of these issues in a time when most of the country is probably wondering what this guy can do to help them.

Basically this.

It strikes as absolutely vierd. He is either very smart and has a good plan, that would be revealed shortly before the election, to minimise Obama`s ability to rebute, or very stupid and doesn`t have a plan he can actually show to public.


Option 3. Romney is a puppet so they can make him do whatever they want, mostly reduce coorperate taxes and remove even more financial oversight. He doesnt have a plan because he isnt interested in planning anything other then fixing life for his coorperate buddies.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 19:05:26
September 13 2012 19:02 GMT
#10002
On September 14 2012 03:59 kwizach wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 03:56 acker wrote:
Holy crap, Bernanke's on fire in this Q/A session.

Romney campaign is dead unless Europe blows up. Or if Bernanke breaks his given statements.

I can't watch right now, do you mind summing up what he said that you're referring to?

He's just covered the Fed's ZLB tools, the expectations channel, Woodford's new paper on monetary policy, and the fiscal cliff. All in favor of further action to increase NGDP and deliberately keep interest rates low for some time after the crisis.

And he managed to get all but one vote in favor of his quasi-uncapped QE3.

Basically, if Federal Reserve followed TTGL, Bernanke would be Simon with seven-point sunglasses.
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
September 13 2012 19:09 GMT
#10003
On September 14 2012 04:01 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 03:58 naastyOne wrote:
On September 14 2012 03:25 Sevenofnines wrote:
Romney's best chance is still to try and make the case that his success as a business man can somehow translate into successful policy for the nation's economy while at the same time managing the debt. Unfortunately, he hasn't offered any specifics on either of these issues in a time when most of the country is probably wondering what this guy can do to help them.

Basically this.

It strikes as absolutely vierd. He is either very smart and has a good plan, that would be revealed shortly before the election, to minimise Obama`s ability to rebute, or very stupid and doesn`t have a plan he can actually show to public.


Option 3. Romney is a puppet so they can make him do whatever they want, mostly reduce coorperate taxes and remove even more financial oversight. He doesnt have a plan because he isnt interested in planning anything other then fixing life for his coorperate buddies.


Basically this , he doesn't even try to cover this. I've never seen a candidate thats so blatantly obvious a coorperate robot .
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
September 13 2012 19:14 GMT
#10004
On September 14 2012 04:02 acker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 03:59 kwizach wrote:
On September 14 2012 03:56 acker wrote:
Holy crap, Bernanke's on fire in this Q/A session.

Romney campaign is dead unless Europe blows up. Or if Bernanke breaks his given statements.

I can't watch right now, do you mind summing up what he said that you're referring to?

He's just covered the Fed's ZLB tools, the expectations channel, Woodford's new paper on monetary policy, and the fiscal cliff. All in favor of further action to increase NGDP and deliberately keep interest rates low for some time after the crisis.

And he managed to get all but one vote in favor of his quasi-uncapped QE3.

Basically, if Federal Reserve followed TTGL, Bernanke would be Simon with seven-point sunglasses.

Thanks!
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 19:23:33
September 13 2012 19:22 GMT
#10005
On September 14 2012 03:25 Sevenofnines wrote:
While this foreign policy digression is interesting, it doesn't really matter much in the grand scheme of the election. None of Obama's supposed "gaffes", whether real or imagined, are damaging enough to the point where they can't be outweighed by him simply saying "I made the call, and we killed Bin Laden." Fair or not, that is the reality of the situation and I think the GOP is resigned to this reality as well. In short, unless their is an epic upheavel (e.g the preludes of WW3...) in the next couple of weeks, Romney has ZERO CHANCE of winning foreign policy over Obama.

Romney's best chance is still to try and make the case that his success as a business man can somehow translate into successful policy for the nation's economy while at the same time managing the debt. Unfortunately, he hasn't offered any specifics on either of these issues in a time when most of the country is probably wondering what this guy can do to help them.


This recent foreign policy kerfluffle is notable because I think it taught the Romney campaign they should just ignore foreign policy-they just can't deal with it, period, and there is a subset of the American people (mostly non-Republicans) that care about foreign policy. There's no real action plan from them, they don't have the manpower to craft or evaluate an action plan, and their standard response to militants using a movie as an excuse to attack is that the president has been doing too much in the way of appeasement of radical muslims. This response is predicated on the assumption that somehow being less apologetic would have prevented the attacks, which makes absolutely no sense.

Even if there is the prelude to WWIII if we hear another word out of Romney's mouth about foreign policy that is not "I support Israel and Obama does not" I will be shocked.
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
September 13 2012 20:13 GMT
#10006
FYI.

More on Morsi's balancing act, courtesy of Joshua Tucker.


"Mohammad Mursi has sanctioned peaceful protests at the US Embassy. On his facebook page, he in fact criticized the amateurish youtube video and defended the protesters by saying:

The presidency condemns in the strongest terms the attempt of a group to insult the place of the Messenger, the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) and condemns the people who have produced this radical work.


The condemnation illustrates Mursi’s delicate balancing act. He’s trying to win support from his own constituency while trying (somewhat) not to completely infuriate the US and Egyptian military. Yet, there’s another constituency that Mursi must not ignore: the very citizens outside his constituency who gave him the opportunity to lead. Many in Egypt see the US role in the future of Egypt as absolutely critical to the development of that country. Despite a strong current of anti-Americanism — only 19% of Egyptians have a positive opinion of the US - many in Egypt, especially those that stand to benefit from greater links to globalization, are worried that weaker ties between the US and Egypt could result in further deterioration of existing economic conditions. That’s why when asked about future relations between Egypt and the US—55% of Egyptians would like relations to stay the same as before Mubarak’s overthrow (35%) or grow even stronger than that (20%). [1]

Citizens are thus monitoring Mursi’s government with a careful eye. Will the Muslim Brotherhood act recklessly? What about the peace treaty with Israel? Will the Muslim Brotherhood upset the region’s chief patron, the US? What would then become of the economic and military assistance that the country vitally depends on? Worse, will Egypt risk alienation and sanctions if the Muslim Brotherhood disrupts the “stable” status quo in the region?[2]"
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
September 13 2012 20:48 GMT
#10007
On September 14 2012 04:01 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 03:58 naastyOne wrote:
On September 14 2012 03:25 Sevenofnines wrote:
Romney's best chance is still to try and make the case that his success as a business man can somehow translate into successful policy for the nation's economy while at the same time managing the debt. Unfortunately, he hasn't offered any specifics on either of these issues in a time when most of the country is probably wondering what this guy can do to help them.

Basically this.

It strikes as absolutely vierd. He is either very smart and has a good plan, that would be revealed shortly before the election, to minimise Obama`s ability to rebute, or very stupid and doesn`t have a plan he can actually show to public.


Option 3. Romney is a puppet so they can make him do whatever they want, mostly reduce coorperate taxes and remove even more financial oversight. He doesnt have a plan because he isnt interested in planning anything other then fixing life for his coorperate buddies.


Nah, Obama's the one that wants to make life nice for his corporate buddies. That's why he hasn't shown much of a plan yet.
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
September 13 2012 20:51 GMT
#10008
On September 14 2012 05:48 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 04:01 Gorsameth wrote:
On September 14 2012 03:58 naastyOne wrote:
On September 14 2012 03:25 Sevenofnines wrote:
Romney's best chance is still to try and make the case that his success as a business man can somehow translate into successful policy for the nation's economy while at the same time managing the debt. Unfortunately, he hasn't offered any specifics on either of these issues in a time when most of the country is probably wondering what this guy can do to help them.

Basically this.

It strikes as absolutely vierd. He is either very smart and has a good plan, that would be revealed shortly before the election, to minimise Obama`s ability to rebute, or very stupid and doesn`t have a plan he can actually show to public.


Option 3. Romney is a puppet so they can make him do whatever they want, mostly reduce coorperate taxes and remove even more financial oversight. He doesnt have a plan because he isnt interested in planning anything other then fixing life for his coorperate buddies.


Nah, Obama's the one that wants to make life nice for his corporate buddies. That's why he hasn't shown much of a plan yet.


I'm not saying Obama is not influenced by major coopertations but Romney is worse in that regard.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21864 Posts
September 13 2012 20:56 GMT
#10009
On September 14 2012 05:48 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 04:01 Gorsameth wrote:
On September 14 2012 03:58 naastyOne wrote:
On September 14 2012 03:25 Sevenofnines wrote:
Romney's best chance is still to try and make the case that his success as a business man can somehow translate into successful policy for the nation's economy while at the same time managing the debt. Unfortunately, he hasn't offered any specifics on either of these issues in a time when most of the country is probably wondering what this guy can do to help them.

Basically this.

It strikes as absolutely vierd. He is either very smart and has a good plan, that would be revealed shortly before the election, to minimise Obama`s ability to rebute, or very stupid and doesn`t have a plan he can actually show to public.


Option 3. Romney is a puppet so they can make him do whatever they want, mostly reduce coorperate taxes and remove even more financial oversight. He doesnt have a plan because he isnt interested in planning anything other then fixing life for his coorperate buddies.


Nah, Obama's the one that wants to make life nice for his corporate buddies. That's why he hasn't shown much of a plan yet.


See here is the difference between this. Obama has been running for 4 years. He has a clear path behind him of what he wants to do. Romney doesnt.

Back to you.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
DoubleReed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4130 Posts
September 13 2012 21:08 GMT
#10010
Republicans: Abandon Ship!!
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
September 13 2012 21:21 GMT
#10011
You know who I feel sorry for? Paul Ryan.

Yeah, he had wacky ideas. But at least he had ideas. He was fresh-faced, hard-working, full-of-potential, and with a few more years under his belt, would have been seasoned enough to lead the Republican Party and take on the national stage.

Boy, did he hitch himself to the wrong wagon. His career will forever be stained by Romney's shitty, shitty candidacy.

DamnCats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1472 Posts
September 13 2012 21:22 GMT
#10012
On September 14 2012 06:08 DoubleReed wrote:
Republicans: Abandon Ship!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8-rkjk8LZY


Fucking LOL @ "You know what the problem with fox news and the republicans is, they haven't called the president a socialist enough"
Disciples of a god, that neither lives nor breathes.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 21:41:39
September 13 2012 21:40 GMT
#10013
On September 14 2012 06:21 Defacer wrote:
You know who I feel sorry for? Paul Ryan.

Yeah, he had wacky ideas. But at least he had ideas. He was fresh-faced, hard-working, full-of-potential, and with a few more years under his belt, would have been seasoned enough to lead the Republican Party and take on the national stage.

Boy, did he hitch himself to the wrong wagon. His career will forever be stained by Romney's shitty, shitty candidacy.



I mean, he's a career politician who spent twelve years in the House and didn't accomplish much of anything, then got a lucky break from the Tea Party despite being a walking contradiction in terms. I'm not that sorry for him, he has less potential than Christie/Jeb Bush/the rest when it comes to actual governance. I'd rather have them leading the party any day.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21864 Posts
September 13 2012 21:43 GMT
#10014
I much say that video captures the problem with a lot of America's politics.
Should we have gone after the person more

How about you forget the face of your opponent. forget his name. Get a plan to save your nation and campaign on that instead of forcing your own people to vote for "a lesser of 2 evils"

It doesnt matter if hes black or white, christian or athiest, Socialist or Capitalist. Campaign on your own damn plan instead of on the failings of his character.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
September 13 2012 21:45 GMT
#10015
On September 14 2012 06:40 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 06:21 Defacer wrote:
You know who I feel sorry for? Paul Ryan.

Yeah, he had wacky ideas. But at least he had ideas. He was fresh-faced, hard-working, full-of-potential, and with a few more years under his belt, would have been seasoned enough to lead the Republican Party and take on the national stage.

Boy, did he hitch himself to the wrong wagon. His career will forever be stained by Romney's shitty, shitty candidacy.



I mean, he's a career politician who spent twelve years in the House and didn't accomplish much of anything, then got a lucky break from the Tea Party despite being a walking contradiction in terms. I'm not that sorry for him, he has less potential than Christie/Jeb Bush/the rest when it comes to actual governance. I'd rather have them leading the party any day.


Dude just needed a few more years to mellow out a bit and for the Tea Party to fade to the ether ... he got picked before he was ripe. That's all I'm saying.



RCMDVA
Profile Joined July 2011
United States708 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 21:57:28
September 13 2012 21:48 GMT
#10016
On September 14 2012 05:51 s3rp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 05:48 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On September 14 2012 04:01 Gorsameth wrote:
On September 14 2012 03:58 naastyOne wrote:
On September 14 2012 03:25 Sevenofnines wrote:
Romney's best chance is still to try and make the case that his success as a business man can somehow translate into successful policy for the nation's economy while at the same time managing the debt. Unfortunately, he hasn't offered any specifics on either of these issues in a time when most of the country is probably wondering what this guy can do to help them.

Basically this.

It strikes as absolutely vierd. He is either very smart and has a good plan, that would be revealed shortly before the election, to minimise Obama`s ability to rebute, or very stupid and doesn`t have a plan he can actually show to public.


Option 3. Romney is a puppet so they can make him do whatever they want, mostly reduce coorperate taxes and remove even more financial oversight. He doesnt have a plan because he isnt interested in planning anything other then fixing life for his coorperate buddies.


Nah, Obama's the one that wants to make life nice for his corporate buddies. That's why he hasn't shown much of a plan yet.


I'm not saying Obama is not influenced by major coopertations but Romney is worse in that regard.



We'll Bernake guaranteed $1.44 Trillion that will be funneled through all the Primary Dealers and other large banks.. and then flipped back at 10x leverage at least in new credit.

You can't beat that. Anything Romney/Obama could or would do...pales in comparison.



Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
September 13 2012 21:51 GMT
#10017
On September 14 2012 06:45 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 06:40 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On September 14 2012 06:21 Defacer wrote:
You know who I feel sorry for? Paul Ryan.

Yeah, he had wacky ideas. But at least he had ideas. He was fresh-faced, hard-working, full-of-potential, and with a few more years under his belt, would have been seasoned enough to lead the Republican Party and take on the national stage.

Boy, did he hitch himself to the wrong wagon. His career will forever be stained by Romney's shitty, shitty candidacy.



I mean, he's a career politician who spent twelve years in the House and didn't accomplish much of anything, then got a lucky break from the Tea Party despite being a walking contradiction in terms. I'm not that sorry for him, he has less potential than Christie/Jeb Bush/the rest when it comes to actual governance. I'd rather have them leading the party any day.


Dude just needed a few more years to mellow out a bit and for the Tea Party to fade to the ether ... he got picked before he was ripe. That's all I'm saying.


I don't know what happened backdoor, so Ryan may have been pressured/coerced into running with Romney, but if he, by his own volition, decided to accept Romney's invitation to become running-buddies even after seeing what Romney stood for (absolutely nothing) during the primaries, then he's really not that smart.
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kmillz
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1548 Posts
September 13 2012 21:52 GMT
#10018
I don't like Mitt Romney very much, but I will vote for anyone that can unseat Obama..he is ruining this country.
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 22:02:34
September 13 2012 21:55 GMT
#10019
On September 14 2012 06:52 kmillz wrote:
I don't like Mitt Romney very much, but I will vote for anyone that can unseat Obama..he is ruining this country.


Money in politics ruins the US . Also the two party system is not very helpful but oh well. But you def. should somehow stop coorporations and people buying your politicians. There's only a handful of politics that aren't bought ( some are bought more some less ) from what i gather.
0mar
Profile Joined February 2010
United States567 Posts
September 13 2012 21:57 GMT
#10020
On September 14 2012 06:21 Defacer wrote:
You know who I feel sorry for? Paul Ryan.

Yeah, he had wacky ideas. But at least he had ideas. He was fresh-faced, hard-working, full-of-potential, and with a few more years under his belt, would have been seasoned enough to lead the Republican Party and take on the national stage.

Boy, did he hitch himself to the wrong wagon. His career will forever be stained by Romney's shitty, shitty candidacy.



Paul Ryan is a hack. His vaunted budget doesn't balance the budget any faster than Obama's and assumes some crazy conditions for that to happen. What he does is destroy Medicare, balloon the defense budget and cut taxes on top earners while raising taxes on the middle class. His budget is about as regressive as you can make it. The Robber Barons from the early 20th century couldn't have come up with a more self-serving budget if they tried.
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