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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On September 14 2012 03:05 xDaunt wrote: Looking at whether Obama is "popular" in another country is meaningless. Then why does his "insult" of the UK rank atop your list of his foreign policy failures? | ||
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DamnCats
United States1472 Posts
"I don't think that we would consider them an ally, but we don't consider them an enemy," Obama said. "They're a new government that is trying to find its way. They were democratically elected. I think that we are going to have to see how they respond to this incident." Is it just me or does this seem... incredibly reasonable? | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On September 14 2012 03:06 Mindcrime wrote: Then why does his "insult" of the UK rank atop your list of his foreign policy failures? Because he has tangibly damaged British-US relations among government officials. Also, the order of that list isn't meant to convey anything. It's random. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On September 14 2012 03:07 DamnCats wrote: From xDaunt's article: Is it just me or does this seem... incredibly reasonable? Ahem... You do realize that that is the quote that got him into trouble, right? | ||
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Sevenofnines
United States167 Posts
On September 14 2012 03:07 DamnCats wrote: From xDaunt's article: Is it just me or does this seem... incredibly reasonable? In politics, reasonable = gaffe! | ||
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starfries
Canada3508 Posts
On September 14 2012 03:09 xDaunt wrote: Ahem... You do realize that that is the quote that got him into trouble, right? I think he does, which is why he said it. tbh, it sounds pretty reasonable to me, too I mean, I think it accurately reflects the attitude of the US towards them even though legally they are an ally. | ||
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On September 14 2012 03:09 xDaunt wrote: Ahem... You do realize that that is the quote that got him into trouble, right? What trouble are you talking about? He said the line the white house said this isnt a change in policy and I suspect Egypt got the message of how precarious the situation is. How is this anything but a win-win? | ||
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DamnCats
United States1472 Posts
On September 14 2012 03:09 xDaunt wrote: Ahem... You do realize that that is the quote that got him into trouble, right? Yea... still, it seems pretty reasonable. :-/ EDIT: Holy shit I just read the comments section of that website and honestly if I had a button to blow up the entire earth I'd probably be pressing it right now, "Libtards" and "Republitards" alike. edit again: My apologies to the rest of the world :[ | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On September 14 2012 03:05 xDaunt wrote: Looking at whether Obama is "popular" in another country is meaningless. I've asked for someone to provide me an example where Obama has translated his popularity -- or power of "persuasion" if you will -- into something tangible. I'm still waiting. How on earth is improved US popularity overseas among general citizenry-especially in the EU-not something tangible? It's hard statistics and data. It's far better not to have a president that people overseas at least respect as an individual. Soft power is INCREDIBLY important, and (along with Huntsman) Obama did a great job restoring soft power in the EU and establishing soft power in the East, including actually crafting a diplomatic plan for the region. | ||
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Sevenofnines
United States167 Posts
Romney's best chance is still to try and make the case that his success as a business man can somehow translate into successful policy for the nation's economy while at the same time managing the debt. Unfortunately, he hasn't offered any specifics on either of these issues in a time when most of the country is probably wondering what this guy can do to help them. | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On September 14 2012 03:05 xDaunt wrote: Looking at whether Obama is "popular" in another country is meaningless. I've asked for someone to provide me an example where Obama has translated his popularity -- or power of "persuasion" if you will -- into something tangible. I'm still waiting. OK, the 2010 IMF quota and governance reform. The Obama administration very clearly managed to reach its objectives through the reform despite considerable risk of losing a degree of influence in the IMF, notably by getting emerging powers to agree to its proposals. Read the paper of Dries Lesage et al. on the topic if you're interested. I was at a conference last year where they explained their findings, and they clearly explained how much more consistent, solid and persuasive the Obama administration has been in its relations with other states in international organizations compared to the Bush administration. | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/09/13/live-tweets-about-the-feds-announcement/ | ||
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Saryph
United States1955 Posts
Fox News Headline of the Day: Obama Calls Libyan President to Thank Him After US Ambassador Murdered Source | ||
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RCMDVA
United States708 Posts
On September 14 2012 03:38 acker wrote: Tweets on Bernanke's QE conference. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/09/13/live-tweets-about-the-feds-announcement/ I'm watching it here : http://www.ustream.tv/federalreserve | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
On September 14 2012 03:42 Saryph wrote: Taken shamelessly from TPM site: Fox News Headline of the Day: Obama Calls Libyan President to Thank Him After US Ambassador Murdered Source ... Fox. Thanks! | ||
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starfries
Canada3508 Posts
On September 14 2012 03:42 Saryph wrote: Taken shamelessly from TPM site: Fox News Headline of the Day: Obama Calls Libyan President to Thank Him After US Ambassador Murdered Source haha, that's hilarious. the third sentence: In his call with President Mohamed Magariaf of Libya, Obama thanked him "for extending his condolences for the tragic deaths of Ambassador Chris Stevens, Sean Smith, and two other State Department officers in Benghazi," said a White House statement. I wonder how many people actually read that far? edit: holy shit, they changed it right as I refreshed to make it less obvious. this is too good | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
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acker
United States2958 Posts
Romney campaign is dead unless Europe blows up. Or if Bernanke breaks his given statements. | ||
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naastyOne
491 Posts
On September 14 2012 03:25 Sevenofnines wrote: Romney's best chance is still to try and make the case that his success as a business man can somehow translate into successful policy for the nation's economy while at the same time managing the debt. Unfortunately, he hasn't offered any specifics on either of these issues in a time when most of the country is probably wondering what this guy can do to help them. Basically this. It strikes as absolutely vierd. He is either very smart and has a good plan, that would be revealed shortly before the election, to minimise Obama`s ability to rebute, or very stupid and doesn`t have a plan he can actually show to public. | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On September 14 2012 03:56 acker wrote: Holy crap, Bernanke's on fire in this Q/A session. Romney campaign is dead unless Europe blows up. Or if Bernanke breaks his given statements. I can't watch right now, do you mind summing up what he said that you're referring to?  | ||
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